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Koki Kameda, are the officials in his back pocket?
Does anyone know much about this young upstart fighting out of Japan? I've had the opportunity of seeing two of his fights on various video uploading sites. In one fight, against an opponent who's name escapes my mind, primarily because the video has been taken off of youtube, Kameda pushed the opposing fighter around the ring until he landed a hard low blow to win by knockout. In the other fight I saw, Kameda was fed a journeyman to showcase his skills. To me, it seemed like half of Japan was watching. They obviously put a lot of work into the production and the arena was packed. From what I hear, Japanese boxing fans tell me Japan is trying to manufacture Kameda into a Japanese Manny Pacquiao. Kameda is in my opinion, a paper champion. He has fought very limited opposition, even in his title defenses. Out of the other two flyweight champions I have seen, Kameda has to be the worst. There is an upside to him it seems, as he is only twenty years of age and clearly has good ability. Hes drawbacks included loading up on almost every shot and leaving himself open in the process, but the most disturbing thing to me as a boxing fan, is he showboats more than Naseem Hamed ever did. Kameda seems to have an overbearing father, whom I believe challenged Aaron Pryor as a professional and was very game before he was stopped. In one instance, Kameda went over to hug the aforemention opponent he stopped with a low blow, and Kameda's father pulled him off and seemed disgusted with the Mexican's corner for complaining. I've also heard that Kameda has one several controversial decisions by wide margins. I've yet to see either Landeta fight, but I expect to in the near future.
Japanese fans have also expressed to me that Kameda's father is a member of one Yakuza gang. I have no other information on that, so if anything is known, it would be appreciated if you could bring that to my attention.
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Kameda is 20 years with only 15 pro fights. What kind of opposition you want him to face? To say he's a not for real is just fucking stupid. He won his title by beating Juan Jose Landaeta by SD (at 19 years old). In a fight in which he struggle but did enough to win. He gave Landaeta a rematch and dominated him in it. He has since left the Light Flyweight and moved up to Flyweight. Kameda knocked out the great Saman Sorjaturong in only his 7th fight and at 18 years of age. He also stopped former champion Noel Arambulet in his 9th fight. Kameda has struggled only once (Landaeta) in all his fights against very good opposition. The fact that Kameda father has gang ties means nothing. Kameda is a young champion getting better with age. So get off his fucking back with this bullshit nonsense. Kameda is the real deal.
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Kameda is 20 years with only 15 pro fights. What kind of opposition you want him to face? To say he's a not for real is just F****** stupid. He won his title by beating Juan Jose Landaeta by SD (at 19 years old). In a fight in which he struggle but did enough to win. He gave Landaeta a rematch and dominated him in it. He has since left the Light Flyweight and moved up to Flyweight. Kameda knocked out the great Saman Sorjaturong in only his 7th fight and at 18 years of age. He also stopped former champion Noel Arambulet in his 9th fight. Kameda has struggled only once (Landaeta) in all his fights against very good opposition. The fact that Kameda father has gang ties means nothing. Kameda is a young champion getting better with age. So get off his F****** back with this bullshit nonsense. Kameda is the real deal.
I'm sorry you aren't well read or even seemingly literate. Nothing was said about him not being a good fighter for his age. My post mainly centered around corruption in his fights. He won a fight with a low blow after fouling many times that same round and wasn't even cautioned once. How do you explain this away? I also made this post to see if anyone could explain further to me what I heard from Japanese fans over the internet.
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The fact that Kameda father has gang ties means nothing.
The fact that his father is in a gang does mean something. It could be tied to any corruption that goes along with Kameda's career. This is why I was inquiring about the matter.
I don't even want to get into how he earned his title shot in the first place. That will just spawn a debate on corrupt sanctioning bodies. To humor you though, I will argue your point since I disagree with your opinion of his level of opposition. I'm sorry, as an avid boxing fan for more than seven years, I've never even heard of Saman Sorjaturong. I did take the liberty of searching for his profile on boxrec and found that he was a thirty-five year old mini flyweight who had been knocked out three times before, two of which were in his four fights leading up to his battle with Kameda. He was absolutely dominated in his 2001 title shot against Yo Sam Choi, losing every round on every judge's scorecard before being stopped. When two years prior he had another battle with the same Choi, and seemed to be fairly competetive over twelve rounds. After his second fight with Choi, he went on to lose to a 4-0 fighter with only two knockouts at that point and subsequently was defeated by a 7-4 fighter. I guess Kimbo Slice is a p4p MMA fighter now that he's feasted on Rey Mercer? You've made my point for me, he is a former champion regardless of his age and he's being fed bums to build up his record. His last fight, after winning a world championship was against a terrororizing 5-1 fighter. I have yet to see either Landaeta fight, but I've heard both were very controversial. I give Kameda respect for taking on a man who at the very least fought him so close in an immediate rematch.
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Double Post. Please delete.
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Kameda is 20 years with only 15 pro fights. What kind of opposition you want him to face? To say he's a not for real is just F****** stupid. He won his title by beating Juan Jose Landaeta by SD (at 19 years old). In a fight in which he struggle but did enough to win. He gave Landaeta a rematch and dominated him in it. He has since left the Light Flyweight and moved up to Flyweight. Kameda knocked out the great Saman Sorjaturong in only his 7th fight and at 18 years of age. He also stopped former champion Noel Arambulet in his 9th fight. Kameda has struggled only once (Landaeta) in all his fights against very good opposition. The fact that Kameda father has gang ties means nothing. Kameda is a young champion getting better with age. So get off his F****** back with this bullshit nonsense. Kameda is the real deal.
I'm sorry you aren't well read or even seemingly literate. Nothing was said about him not being a good fighter for his age. My post mainly centered around corruption in his fights. He won a fight with a low blow after fouling many times that same round and wasn't even cautioned once. How do you explain this away? I also made this post to see if anyone could explain further to me what I heard from Japanese fans over the internet.
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The fact that Kameda father has gang ties means nothing.
The fact that his father is in a gang does mean something. It could be tied to any corruption that goes along with Kameda's career. This is why I was inquiring about the matter.
I don't even want to get into how he earned his title shot in the first place. That will just spawn a debate on corrupt sanctioning bodies. To humor you though, I will argue your point since I disagree with your opinion of his level of opposition. I'm sorry, as an avid boxing fan for more than seven years, I've never even heard of Saman Sorjaturong. I did take the liberty of searching for his profile on boxrec and found that he was a thirty-five year old mini flyweight who had been knocked out three times before, two of which were in his four fights leading up to his battle with Kameda. He was absolutely dominated in his 2001 title shot against Yo Sam Choi, losing every round on every judge's scorecard before being stopped. When two years prior he had another battle with the same Choi, and seemed to be fairly competetive over twelve rounds. After his second fight with Choi, he went on to lose to a 4-0 fighter with only two knockouts at that point and subsequently was defeated by a 7-4 fighter. I guess Kimbo Slice is a p4p MMA fighter now that he's feasted on Rey Mercer? You've made my point for me, he is a former champion regardless of his age and he's being fed bums to build up his record. His last fight, after winning a world championship was against a terrororizing 5-1 fighter. I have yet to see either Landaeta fight, but I've heard both were very controversial. I give Kameda respect for taking on a man who at the very least fought him so close in an immediate rematch.
If you don't know who Sorjaturong is without needing to do research first, than I wouldn't call myself an avid boxing fan. Cuz you fucking ain't. It's an insult to call you a boxing fan. You say Kameda won a fight by low blow, which one was that? You seen two of his fights, yet you already call him a paper champion who's being manufactured. How stupid is that? You use the word corruption regarding his fights. What fucking corruption? And as for his father? What you have proof of his gang ties? You have proof that Kameda fights have been influenced by outside sources? No. All you got is bullshit internet rumors.
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The Carlos Bouchan fight. Yeah I seen that fight before. It was his 10th pro fight. And it look like a clean body shot to me. And even if it wasn't (which it was) the ref was completely out of position to see it. So how can you say there letting him get away with it? Aside for this fight (which only you have made an issue) what other corruption have there been in his fights?
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I don't think theres any corruption involving Kameda! Sure the 1st Landaeta fight was controversial but Koki gave himan immediate rematch & schooled him in the return! Kameda has the makings of a potential superstar IMO!
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I don't think theres any corruption involving Kameda! Sure the 1st Landaeta fight was controversial but Koki gave himan immediate rematch & schooled him in the return! Kameda has the makings of a potential superstar IMO!
My thoughts exactly. Kameda is for real. Some of these new posters are straight fucking morons. Where does Saddo find some of these clowns?
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I don't think theres any corruption involving Kameda! Sure the 1st Landaeta fight was controversial but Koki gave himan immediate rematch & schooled him in the return! Kameda has the makings of a potential superstar IMO!
My thoughts exactly. Kameda is for real. Some of these new posters are straight F****** morons. Where does Saddo find some of these clowns?
cc bro, but it's a little harsh. Everyones entitled to their own opinion. I think he may have just been trying to get some insight or debate going. Lets face it thats why we're on the forum.
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I don't think theres any corruption involving Kameda! Sure the 1st Landaeta fight was controversial but Koki gave himan immediate rematch & schooled him in the return! Kameda has the makings of a potential superstar IMO!
My thoughts exactly. Kameda is for real. Some of these new posters are straight F****** morons. Where does Saddo find some of these clowns?
cc bro, but it's a little harsh. Everyones entitled to their own opinion. I think he may have just been trying to get some insight or debate going. Lets face it thats why we're on the forum.
If he actually came up with some kind of facts than I would of gave him some credit. Instead of bullshit like "Kameda's father is a member of one Yakuza gang". Like that is even relevant. Not only that but he consider himself an avid boxing fan but didn't know who Saman Sorjaturong was. What kind of shit is that? Anyway, cc back
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I don't think theres any corruption involving Kameda! Sure the 1st Landaeta fight was controversial but Koki gave himan immediate rematch & schooled him in the return! Kameda has the makings of a potential superstar IMO!
My thoughts exactly. Kameda is for real. Some of these new posters are straight F****** morons. Where does Saddo find some of these clowns?
cc bro, but it's a little harsh. Everyones entitled to their own opinion. I think he may have just been trying to get some insight or debate going. Lets face it thats why we're on the forum.
If he actually came up with some kind of facts than I would of gave him some credit. Instead of bullshit like "Kameda's father is a member of one Yakuza gang". Like that is even relevant. Not only that but he consider himself an avid boxing fan but didn't know who Saman Sorjaturong was. What kind of S*** is that? Anyway, cc back
Sweet bro I understand, he might have only started following the game recently. At least he's a fan now. But I would suggest this to him... instead of focusing on negatives of the sport try to see the positives. Kameda is one of the brightest young stars out there today & we should embrace that!
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Kobi ia atypical in the way he handles himself outside the ring. He shows disrepsect to both his opponents and to the press, but he has a hugh following of younger people. He has the goods and is a monster draw in Japan. I like him for some strange reason. Right now, he is the hottesT thing in boxing in JAPAN.
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Kobi ia atypical in the way he handles himself outside the ring. He shows disrepsect to both his opponents and to the press, but he has a hugh following of younger people. He has the goods and is a monster draw in Japan. I like him for some strange reason. Right now, he is the hottesT thing in boxing in JAPAN.
I too am a big Kameda fan. He's Japan's future. And the future is already here. I wouldn't be surprise to see him win titles in multiple weight classes.
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Originally Posted by Ted The Bull
Kobi ia atypical in the way he handles himself outside the ring. He shows disrepsect to both his opponents and to the press, but he has a hugh following of younger people. He has the goods and is a monster draw in Japan. I like him for some strange reason. Right now, he is the hottesT thing in boxing in JAPAN.
I too am a big Kameda fan. He's Japan's future. And the future is already here. I wouldn't be surprise to see him win titles in multiple weight classes.
Yeah I think they were trying to line him up for a fight with Wonjongkam, which would be great cause Wonjongkam doesn't wanna fight any other big names! I would love to see him drop back down to face the winner of Cazares/ Calderon!
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Originally Posted by Ted The Bull
Kobi ia atypical in the way he handles himself outside the ring. He shows disrepsect to both his opponents and to the press, but he has a hugh following of younger people. He has the goods and is a monster draw in Japan. I like him for some strange reason. Right now, he is the hottesT thing in boxing in JAPAN.
I too am a big Kameda fan. He's Japan's future. And the future is already here. I wouldn't be surprise to see him win titles in multiple weight classes.
Yeah I think they were trying to line him up for a fight with Wonjongkam, which would be great cause Wonjongkam doesn't wanna fight any other big names! I would love to see him drop back down to face the winner of Cazares/ Calderon!
I'll favor Kameda over all 3
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Kobi ia atypical in the way he handles himself outside the ring. He shows disrepsect to both his opponents and to the press, but he has a hugh following of younger people. He has the goods and is a monster draw in Japan. I like him for some strange reason. Right now, he is the hottesT thing in boxing in JAPAN.
I too am a big Kameda fan. He's Japan's future. And the future is already here. I wouldn't be surprise to see him win titles in multiple weight classes.
Yeah I think they were trying to line him up for a fight with Wonjongkam, which would be great cause Wonjongkam doesn't wanna fight any other big names! I would love to see him drop back down to face the winner of Cazares/ Calderon!
I'll favor Kameda over all 3
I think Calderon is to good for Kameda, but I think Kameda defeats Wonjongkam!
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He clearly lost the first Landaeta fight, but since then he's shown serious talent, he's as good as anyone at his weight at the minute, the hype comes from his age and personality, I hear he's a bit of a playboy in Japan.
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Does anyone know much about this young upstart fighting out of Japan? I've had the opportunity of seeing two of his fights on various video uploading sites. In one fight, against an opponent who's name escapes my mind, primarily because the video has been taken off of youtube, Kameda pushed the opposing fighter around the ring until he landed a hard low blow to win by knockout. In the other fight I saw, Kameda was fed a journeyman to showcase his skills. To me, it seemed like half of Japan was watching. They obviously put a lot of work into the production and the arena was packed. From what I hear, Japanese boxing fans tell me Japan is trying to manufacture Kameda into a Japanese Manny Pacquiao. Kameda is in my opinion, a paper champion. He has fought very limited opposition, even in his title defenses. Out of the other two flyweight champions I have seen, Kameda has to be the worst. There is an upside to him it seems, as he is only twenty years of age and clearly has good ability. Hes drawbacks included loading up on almost every shot and leaving himself open in the process, but the most disturbing thing to me as a boxing fan, is he showboats more than Naseem Hamed ever did. Kameda seems to have an overbearing father, whom I believe challenged Aaron Pryor as a professional and was very game before he was stopped. In one instance, Kameda went over to hug the aforemention opponent he stopped with a low blow, and Kameda's father pulled him off and seemed disgusted with the Mexican's corner for complaining. I've also heard that Kameda has one several controversial decisions by wide margins. I've yet to see either Landeta fight, but I expect to in the near future.
Japanese fans have also expressed to me that Kameda's father is a member of one Yakuza gang. I have no other information on that, so if anything is known, it would be appreciated if you could bring that to my attention.
Heres CC#2 and welcome aboard to Saddos....
You know I wouldn't say Koki has the judges in his back pocket cause honestly theres no evidence of that.
Is there a possibility? Yes, do we really know? No.
I also think Koki lost the 1st Landeta fight, but all credit to him for getting back in there and rematching Landeta IMO that speaks volumes of him. I also DON't think Japans trying to manufacture a Champ I mean theres no need to, if you look at the lower weight classes throughout the years Japans produced many great Champs. Primarily Japan, Korea, Philipnes all those Asian countrys along with Mexico are the main ones that produce the vast majority of fighters in those smaller weight classes. So I really don't think Japans trying to manufacture him. The low blows I see what your saying BUT I mean thats like the people who say they let Hatton get away with too much holding.....
If you go on YouTube theres a video of several people walking out of the Koki-Landeta fight and they are expressing that Koki lost. Again Koki gave him the rematch and beat clearly there.....
About Saman well to be fair VD not a whole lot of people know about him and even more sooo you and I know that not a lot people pay as much attention to the smaller classes, also Samans waaaay past his best days now this isn't the same Saman who beat "Chiquita".... Saman has the track record former champ has fought some of the best but you gotta count hes was on his way out.
I would lve to see Koki fight the winner of Naito vs. Pongsaklek....
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You know I wouldn't say Koki has the judges in his back pocket cause honestly theres no evidence of that.
Is there a possibility? Yes, do we really know? No.
This is the reason I made the thread. I haven't claimed anything corrupt other than what I saw from the fight linked to in this thread. I have merely asked for opinions from people who have followed Kameda more than I have.
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I also think Koki lost the 1st Landeta fight, but all credit to him for getting back in there and rematching Landeta IMO that speaks volumes of him.
I have yet to see the Landaeta fight, hopefully the torrent I requested from another site will be uploaded today.
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I also DON't think Japans trying to manufacture a Champ I mean theres no need to, if you look at the lower weight classes throughout the years Japans produced many great Champs.
By manufacture I was referring to his hype machine. It seems to me, and many other Japanese fans, that Kameda is being made into a megastar already. Other Japanese fighters aren't given this same treatment, at least on this level, from what I understand. He is a 20 year old fighter who beat no one in title contention, earned a title shot, won a controversial decisiona nd then won the rematch in his first title defense. He then moved up in weight and fought a 5-1 fighter. He is someone to keep an eye out for, but at this point, it seems they are already trying to cash in on his potential.
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The low blows I see what your saying BUT I mean thats like the people who say they let Hatton get away with too much holding.....
Does this somehow make it legal? Boxing has rules for an abundance of reasons. There was a sequence in the linked video where Kameda landed a 3 punch combination below his opponents beltline with each one being delivered lower and with more force. He pushed the opponent around the ring, nails him with a punishing low blow, the ref didn't say one thing.
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If you go on YouTube theres a video of several people walking out of the Koki-Landeta fight and they are expressing that Koki lost. Again Koki gave him the rematch and beat clearly there.....
I saw that, what is your point? Some fans are bound to dislike a fighter who is as popular as Kameda is already. Not everyone can be pleased, no matter what.
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About Saman well to be fair VD not a whole lot of people know about him and even more sooo you and I know that not a lot people pay as much attention to the smaller classes, also Samans waaaay past his best days now this isn't the same Saman who beat "Chiquita".... Saman has the track record former champ has fought some of the best but you gotta count hes was on his way out.
Yes, the posted above obviously doesn't know what the word avid means.
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This is the reason I made the thread. I haven't claimed anything corrupt other than what I saw from the fight linked to in this thread. I have merely asked for opinions from people who have followed Kameda more than I have.
I see what your saying and you are getting opinions.
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I have yet to see the Landaeta fight, hopefully the torrent I requested from another site will be uploaded today.
Well I can certainly tell you that try to watch it and form your own opinion from that... I hope you get a chance to see it.
It's definetly a good scrap....
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By manufacture I was referring to his hype machine. It seems to me, and many other Japanese fans, that Kameda is being made into a megastar already. Other Japanese fighters aren't given this same treatment, at least on this level, from what I understand. He is a 20 year old fighter who beat no one in title contention, earned a title shot, won a controversial decisiona nd then won the rematch in his first title defense. He then moved up in weight and fought a 5-1 fighter. He is someone to keep an eye out for, but at this point, it seems they are already trying to cash in on his potential.
Well that happens EVERYWHERE not just Japan.... Do the names Grant, Bojado, JCC Jr. and Khan ring a bell. They were all being hyped or are being hyped to be megastars.
Nobuo Nashiro(sp?) who beat Castillo was also being hyped I personally never believed the hype (You remember VD we had that talk about him) I knew Nobuo would loose against a World Class fighter and if you go to the Prediction Board and dig through the picks on the week that he fought Munoz I knew he would loose. I think Koki is getting the same treatment Nobuo got, the same treatment Kono and Niida are getting now.
Think, who had Nobuo beaten to get a shot at Castillo? With something like 9 fights???
As I've said before to others here in the lower weight classes since early on it's very common to get title shots early on I mean look through the records and you can see this from 30 years ago it's not just now....
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Does this somehow make it legal? Boxing has rules for an abundance of reasons. There was a sequence in the linked video where Kameda landed a 3 punch combination below his opponents beltline with each one being delivered lower and with more force. He pushed the opponent around the ring, nails him with a punishing low blow, the ref didn't say one thing.
No not all.... I was just saying that things slip bye sometimes after how many Golota low blows to Bowe did the ref. finally catch on? I think it was after like 4 low blows.... Just recently we saw a ref. miss a knockdown in the JMM vs. MAB fight... I'm not saying it's right I'm saying things happen sometimes....
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I saw that, what is your point? Some fans are bound to dislike a fighter who is as popular as Kameda is already. Not everyone can be pleased, no matter what.
My point was that people felt Koki lost and those people happened to be Koki fans..... Sometimes I type things just to point things out not necessairly directed at you just thoughts or facts that come to mind.
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Yes, the posted above obviously doesn't know what the word avid means.
Nah! he does if you stick around long enough you'll see that he does.
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I see what your saying and you are getting opinions.
I am now. ;)
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Well I can certainly tell you that try to watch it and form your own opinion from that... I hope you get a chance to see it.
It's definetly a good scrap....
I intend to. ;)
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Think, who had Nobuo beaten to get a shot at Castillo? With something like 9 fights???
As I've said before to others here in the lower weight classes since early on it's very common to get title shots early on I mean look through the records and you can see this from 30 years ago it's not just now....
I understand how often fighters with very few fights get shots at champions. They're are a lot less fighters in smaller weight divisions and the smaller fighters try to stay more active. I stated ehe hadn't beaten anyone to get a title shot earlier to see if someone had any information regarding why he did. It could have to do with his hype machine. Either way, we're really straying off topic here.
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No not all.... I was just saying that things slip bye sometimes after how many Golota low blows to Bowe did the ref. finally catch on? I think it was after like 4 low blows.... Just recently we saw a ref. miss a knockdown in the JMM vs. MAB fight... I'm not saying it's right I'm saying things happen sometimes....
If you believe this was the case, then the ref in question needs to be fired. He clearly isn't qualified for his job. It's not excusable to miss numerous low blows within the span of a minute without giving any caution. The low blow that ended the fight was obviosuly low from any angle.
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Nah! he does if you stick around long enough you'll see that he does.
How does that work then? It's like saying fighter a has been knocked out twenty consecutive times in the first round, but he will be champion one day, you'll see. ;)
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This is the reason I made the thread. I haven't claimed anything corrupt other than what I saw from the fight linked to in this thread. I have merely asked for opinions from people who have followed Kameda more than I have.
I see what your saying and you are getting opinions.
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I have yet to see the Landaeta fight, hopefully the torrent I requested from another site will be uploaded today.
Well I can certainly tell you that try to watch it and form your own opinion from that... I hope you get a chance to see it.
It's definetly a good scrap....
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By manufacture I was referring to his hype machine. It seems to me, and many other Japanese fans, that Kameda is being made into a megastar already. Other Japanese fighters aren't given this same treatment, at least on this level, from what I understand. He is a 20 year old fighter who beat no one in title contention, earned a title shot, won a controversial decisiona nd then won the rematch in his first title defense. He then moved up in weight and fought a 5-1 fighter. He is someone to keep an eye out for, but at this point, it seems they are already trying to cash in on his potential.
Well that happens EVERYWHERE not just Japan.... Do the names Grant, Bojado, JCC Jr. and Khan ring a bell. They were all being hyped or are being hyped to be megastars.
Nobuo Nashiro(sp?) who beat Castillo was also being hyped I personally never believed the hype (You remember VD we had that talk about him) I knew Nobuo would loose against a World Class fighter and if you go to the Prediction Board and dig through the picks on the week that he fought Munoz I knew he would loose. I think Koki is getting the same treatment Nobuo got, the same treatment Kono and Niida are getting now.
Think, who had Nobuo beaten to get a shot at Castillo? With something like 9 fights???
As I've said before to others here in the lower weight classes since early on it's very common to get title shots early on I mean look through the records and you can see this from 30 years ago it's not just now....
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Does this somehow make it legal? Boxing has rules for an abundance of reasons. There was a sequence in the linked video where Kameda landed a 3 punch combination below his opponents beltline with each one being delivered lower and with more force. He pushed the opponent around the ring, nails him with a punishing low blow, the ref didn't say one thing.
No not all.... I was just saying that things slip bye sometimes after how many Golota low blows to Bowe did the ref. finally catch on? I think it was after like 4 low blows.... Just recently we saw a ref. miss a knockdown in the JMM vs. MAB fight... I'm not saying it's right I'm saying things happen sometimes....
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Originally Posted by Illuminated
I saw that, what is your point? Some fans are bound to dislike a fighter who is as popular as Kameda is already. Not everyone can be pleased, no matter what.
My point was that people felt Koki lost and those people happened to be Koki fans..... Sometimes I type things just to point things out not necessairly directed at you just thoughts or facts that come to mind.
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Originally Posted by Illuminated
Yes, the posted above obviously doesn't know what the word avid means.
Nah! he does if you stick around long enough you'll see that he does.
I remember the Nobuo conversation. And I remember you weren't sold on him either. But that doesn't mean Nobuo wasn't (is) a good fighter. He lost to Alexander Munoz. A world class fighter himself. So there is no shame in that. While Nobuo did nothing to earn his title shot. Kameda did. He beat Saman Sorjaturong and Noel Arambulet for it. Sorjaturong might of been washed up. But Noel Arambulet wasn't. And Kameda became the first man to stop Noel Arambulet. So I think Kameda earned a title shot.
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Re: Koki Kameda, are the officials in his back pocket?
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by Illuminated
This is the reason I made the thread. I haven't claimed anything corrupt other than what I saw from the fight linked to in this thread. I have merely asked for opinions from people who have followed Kameda more than I have.
I see what your saying and you are getting opinions.
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Originally Posted by Illuminated
I have yet to see the Landaeta fight, hopefully the torrent I requested from another site will be uploaded today.
Well I can certainly tell you that try to watch it and form your own opinion from that... I hope you get a chance to see it.
It's definetly a good scrap....
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Originally Posted by Illuminated
By manufacture I was referring to his hype machine. It seems to me, and many other Japanese fans, that Kameda is being made into a megastar already. Other Japanese fighters aren't given this same treatment, at least on this level, from what I understand. He is a 20 year old fighter who beat no one in title contention, earned a title shot, won a controversial decisiona nd then won the rematch in his first title defense. He then moved up in weight and fought a 5-1 fighter. He is someone to keep an eye out for, but at this point, it seems they are already trying to cash in on his potential.
Well that happens EVERYWHERE not just Japan.... Do the names Grant, Bojado, JCC Jr. and Khan ring a bell. They were all being hyped or are being hyped to be megastars.
Nobuo Nashiro(sp?) who beat Castillo was also being hyped I personally never believed the hype (You remember VD we had that talk about him) I knew Nobuo would loose against a World Class fighter and if you go to the Prediction Board and dig through the picks on the week that he fought Munoz I knew he would loose. I think Koki is getting the same treatment Nobuo got, the same treatment Kono and Niida are getting now.
Think, who had Nobuo beaten to get a shot at Castillo? With something like 9 fights???
As I've said before to others here in the lower weight classes since early on it's very common to get title shots early on I mean look through the records and you can see this from 30 years ago it's not just now....
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Originally Posted by Illuminated
Does this somehow make it legal? Boxing has rules for an abundance of reasons. There was a sequence in the linked video where Kameda landed a 3 punch combination below his opponents beltline with each one being delivered lower and with more force. He pushed the opponent around the ring, nails him with a punishing low blow, the ref didn't say one thing.
No not all.... I was just saying that things slip bye sometimes after how many Golota low blows to Bowe did the ref. finally catch on? I think it was after like 4 low blows.... Just recently we saw a ref. miss a knockdown in the JMM vs. MAB fight... I'm not saying it's right I'm saying things happen sometimes....
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Originally Posted by Illuminated
I saw that, what is your point? Some fans are bound to dislike a fighter who is as popular as Kameda is already. Not everyone can be pleased, no matter what.
My point was that people felt Koki lost and those people happened to be Koki fans..... Sometimes I type things just to point things out not necessairly directed at you just thoughts or facts that come to mind.
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Originally Posted by Illuminated
Yes, the posted above obviously doesn't know what the word avid means.
Nah! he does if you stick around long enough you'll see that he does.
I remember the Nobuo conversation. And I remember you weren't sold on him either. But that doesn't mean Nobuo wasn't (is) a good fighter. He lost to Alexander Munoz. A world class fighter himself. So there is no shame in that. While Nobuo did nothing to earn his title shot. Kameda did. He beat Saman Sorjaturong and Noel Arambulet for it. Sorjaturong might of been washed up. But Noel Arambulet wasn't. And Kameda became the first man to stop Noel Arambulet. So I think Kameda earned a title shot.
Spot on VD....
I hadn't seen anything on Noel prior to the Koki fight so my judgement was only based on his record and 1 articlet that mentioned a fight he was in.... :-\
I just don't se Nobuo beating any of the top guys the Castillo fight is fair play even if it was stopped on cuts.
Also it's worth mentioning the fight was close coming into the last 2 rounds so he did give Castillo fits....
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Re: Koki Kameda, are the officials in his back pocket?
I live in Japan and have seen him fight about seven times. Three times in person.
The answer to your question in the beginning of the thread is : the officials are probably not in his back pocket. Kameda has been great for boxing here as he has brought fans and advertising money to the sport, but he is a highly controversial boxer here for the reasons that you stated. He hasn't faced many strong opponents and the media hype is nauseating. Most people here didn't buy it and thought he was all style and no substance. The first fight with Landaeta in Aug 06 just added fuel to the fire, as most people here who watched it (and there were many) thought he was beaten soundly.
But much to his credit, he fought Landaeta again in Dec 06 and beat him pretty convincingly when nobody expected him to. It quieted some but not all of his critics. By then, he had trouble making weight at 108 and moved up to Flyweight which was a more natural weight for him according to his camp (his goal is to be champ in three weight classes eventually).
He'll eventually challenge for the WBA Flyweight (current champ is Takefumi Sakata)
Some things to keep in mind about Koki:
1. Kameda-Landaeta I was a damn good fight and a close one, too. Even though he got dropped and probably should have lost, he had Landaeta on the run a few times.
2. We are still learning about Koki because he is young and his non-title fights have been against fairly weak opponents. Non-title fights here of course have Japanese officials and judges, etc.
3. The Japanese boxing fans are most certainly NOT convinced he is the real thing yet, by far. They want to see him fight the big names just as much as you do!
Just my opinion but I hope this helps clear up a few things.
tb
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Re: Koki Kameda, are the officials in his back pocket?
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Originally Posted by tokyobox
I live in Japan and have seen him fight about seven times. Three times in person.
The answer to your question in the beginning of the thread is : the officials are probably not in his back pocket. Kameda has been great for boxing here as he has brought fans and advertising money to the sport, but he is a highly controversial boxer here for the reasons that you stated. He hasn't faced many strong opponents and the media hype is nauseating. Most people here didn't buy it and thought he was all style and no substance. The first fight with Landaeta in Aug 06 just added fuel to the fire, as most people here who watched it (and there were many) thought he was beaten soundly.
But much to his credit, he fought Landaeta again in Dec 06 and beat him pretty convincingly when nobody expected him to. It quieted some but not all of his critics. By then, he had trouble making weight at 108 and moved up to Flyweight which was a more natural weight for him according to his camp (his goal is to be champ in three weight classes eventually).
He'll eventually challenge for the WBA Flyweight (current champ is Takefumi Sakata)
Some things to keep in mind about Koki:
1. Kameda-Landaeta I was a damn good fight and a close one, too. Even though he got dropped and probably should have lost, he had Landaeta on the run a few times.
2. We are still learning about Koki because he is young and his non-title fights have been against fairly weak opponents. Non-title fights here of course have Japanese officials and judges, etc.
3. The Japanese boxing fans are most certainly NOT convinced he is the real thing yet, by far. They want to see him fight the big names just as much as you do!
Just my opinion but I hope this helps clear up a few things.
tb
Excellent post friend,really interesting read. Have your first CoOl Click on me,I hope you like the site.
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Re: Koki Kameda, are the officials in his back pocket?
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Originally Posted by tokyobox
I live in Japan and have seen him fight about seven times. Three times in person.
The answer to your question in the beginning of the thread is : the officials are probably not in his back pocket. Kameda has been great for boxing here as he has brought fans and advertising money to the sport, but he is a highly controversial boxer here for the reasons that you stated. He hasn't faced many strong opponents and the media hype is nauseating. Most people here didn't buy it and thought he was all style and no substance. The first fight with Landaeta in Aug 06 just added fuel to the fire, as most people here who watched it (and there were many) thought he was beaten soundly.
But much to his credit, he fought Landaeta again in Dec 06 and beat him pretty convincingly when nobody expected him to. It quieted some but not all of his critics. By then, he had trouble making weight at 108 and moved up to Flyweight which was a more natural weight for him according to his camp (his goal is to be champ in three weight classes eventually).
He'll eventually challenge for the WBA Flyweight (current champ is Takefumi Sakata)
Some things to keep in mind about Koki:
1. Kameda-Landaeta I was a damn good fight and a close one, too. Even though he got dropped and probably should have lost, he had Landaeta on the run a few times.
2. We are still learning about Koki because he is young and his non-title fights have been against fairly weak opponents. Non-title fights here of course have Japanese officials and judges, etc.
3. The Japanese boxing fans are most certainly NOT convinced he is the real thing yet, by far. They want to see him fight the big names just as much as you do!
Just my opinion but I hope this helps clear up a few things.
tb
Heres :coolclick: #2 on me and WELCOME aboard on the Saddo Express.... Hope you enjoy your stay here.. 8)
You have discovered the greatest kept secret in Boxing Forums...
Very happy to read that we have someone from Japan here... Let me tell you we have people from everywhere here...
United Kingdom, USA, Korea, Phillipines, Puerto Rico, Germany, Hawaii and many other places now thanks to you we can add Japan.... :)
Good post there on Koki and it's always great to read stuff like this from people who see/read this everyday...
Hope you stay around for some time.... You'll love this place. 8)
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Re: Koki Kameda, are the officials in his back pocket?
When is this guy going to fight in US?
I heard he is one cocky SOB too.
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Re: Koki Kameda, are the officials in his back pocket?
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Originally Posted by Illuminated
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Originally Posted by CutmeMick
You know I wouldn't say Koki has the judges in his back pocket cause honestly theres no evidence of that.
Is there a possibility? Yes, do we really know? No.
This is the reason I made the thread. I haven't claimed anything corrupt other than what I saw from the fight linked to in this thread. I have merely asked for opinions from people who have followed Kameda more than I have.
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I also think Koki lost the 1st Landeta fight, but all credit to him for getting back in there and rematching Landeta IMO that speaks volumes of him.
I have yet to see the Landaeta fight, hopefully the torrent I requested from another site will be uploaded today.
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I also DON't think Japans trying to manufacture a Champ I mean theres no need to, if you look at the lower weight classes throughout the years Japans produced many great Champs.
By manufacture I was referring to his hype machine. It seems to me, and many other Japanese fans, that Kameda is being made into a megastar already. Other Japanese fighters aren't given this same treatment, at least on this level, from what I understand. He is a 20 year old fighter who beat no one in title contention, earned a title shot, won a controversial decisiona nd then won the rematch in his first title defense. He then moved up in weight and fought a 5-1 fighter. He is someone to keep an eye out for, but at this point, it seems they are already trying to cash in on his potential.
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The low blows I see what your saying BUT I mean thats like the people who say they let Hatton get away with too much holding.....
Does this somehow make it legal? Boxing has rules for an abundance of reasons. There was a sequence in the linked video where Kameda landed a 3 punch combination below his opponents beltline with each one being delivered lower and with more force. He pushed the opponent around the ring, nails him with a punishing low blow, the ref didn't say one thing.
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If you go on YouTube theres a video of several people walking out of the Koki-Landeta fight and they are expressing that Koki lost. Again Koki gave him the rematch and beat clearly there.....
I saw that, what is your point? Some fans are bound to dislike a fighter who is as popular as Kameda is already. Not everyone can be pleased, no matter what.
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About Saman well to be fair VD not a whole lot of people know about him and even more sooo you and I know that not a lot people pay as much attention to the smaller classes, also Samans waaaay past his best days now this isn't the same Saman who beat "Chiquita".... Saman has the track record former champ has fought some of the best but you gotta count hes was on his way out.
Yes, the posted above obviously doesn't know what the word avid means.
i like this guy..
You brought up a valid arguement, stated your facts, and defended yourself rather nicely.
CC to you, hope your around alot more.
also,
You will find that when you bring some strong facts into a post, that post, and the person you argue with will fade away quicker than the posts of people bickering back and forth. I cant even count the number of times i have read good posts that end with someone Schooling someone else, and the person getting schooled is never to be heard from again (in that post).
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Re: Koki Kameda, are the officials in his back pocket?
This isn't really exactly what the threads about but how good is Kameda?
for whatever reason, I haven't been able to see but just a few of his early fights and a round of the Landeata fight.
Looks wide the fuck open for body shots in that first video, with that high guard, elbows not tucked and short arms. Looks like he's got some ability though.
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Re: Koki Kameda, are the officials in his back pocket?
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Originally Posted by tokyobox
I live in Japan and have seen him fight about seven times. Three times in person.
The answer to your question in the beginning of the thread is : the officials are probably not in his back pocket. Kameda has been great for boxing here as he has brought fans and advertising money to the sport, but he is a highly controversial boxer here for the reasons that you stated. He hasn't faced many strong opponents and the media hype is nauseating. Most people here didn't buy it and thought he was all style and no substance. The first fight with Landaeta in Aug 06 just added fuel to the fire, as most people here who watched it (and there were many) thought he was beaten soundly.
But much to his credit, he fought Landaeta again in Dec 06 and beat him pretty convincingly when nobody expected him to. It quieted some but not all of his critics. By then, he had trouble making weight at 108 and moved up to Flyweight which was a more natural weight for him according to his camp (his goal is to be champ in three weight classes eventually).
He'll eventually challenge for the WBA Flyweight (current champ is Takefumi Sakata)
Some things to keep in mind about Koki:
1. Kameda-Landaeta I was a damn good fight and a close one, too. Even though he got dropped and probably should have lost, he had Landaeta on the run a few times.
2. We are still learning about Koki because he is young and his non-title fights have been against fairly weak opponents. Non-title fights here of course have Japanese officials and judges, etc.
3. The Japanese boxing fans are most certainly NOT convinced he is the real thing yet, by far. They want to see him fight the big names just as much as you do!
Just my opinion but I hope this helps clear up a few things.
tb
Fair post. My post's purpose was to present an argument and see what people thought. Kameda is a good fighter who probably has a bright future. I've read about his background and I don't hold many things against him considering he is still only twenty years old. His father seems to be overbearing and controlling as demonstrated by him pulling Koki of of his opponent after the Mexican's corner complained of low blows. Koki seems to be branching out though, so the future probably holds a public feud between the two of them if Koki wants to grow up and become a man. I give Koki credit for showing that deep down he isn't all hype. He should blossum into what his hype machine has created, if that is even humanly possible. ;D I wouldn't be surprised to see Koki win several titles in multiple weight classes as he progresses.
On to my point about the officials. It seems that the judges have been very kind to him. With all fo the hype, the judges and referees are bound to have lots of pressure on them. In several fights I've seen refs let him get away with several hard low blows in succession. I don't think all officials will be this way for him, but it is somethign to be concerned about in our ever corrupting sport.
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Re: Koki Kameda, are the officials in his back pocket?
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
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Originally Posted by Illuminated
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Originally Posted by CutmeMick
You know I wouldn't say Koki has the judges in his back pocket cause honestly theres no evidence of that.
Is there a possibility? Yes, do we really know? No.
This is the reason I made the thread. I haven't claimed anything corrupt other than what I saw from the fight linked to in this thread. I have merely asked for opinions from people who have followed Kameda more than I have.
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I also think Koki lost the 1st Landeta fight, but all credit to him for getting back in there and rematching Landeta IMO that speaks volumes of him.
I have yet to see the Landaeta fight, hopefully the torrent I requested from another site will be uploaded today.
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I also DON't think Japans trying to manufacture a Champ I mean theres no need to, if you look at the lower weight classes throughout the years Japans produced many great Champs.
By manufacture I was referring to his hype machine. It seems to me, and many other Japanese fans, that Kameda is being made into a megastar already. Other Japanese fighters aren't given this same treatment, at least on this level, from what I understand. He is a 20 year old fighter who beat no one in title contention, earned a title shot, won a controversial decisiona nd then won the rematch in his first title defense. He then moved up in weight and fought a 5-1 fighter. He is someone to keep an eye out for, but at this point, it seems they are already trying to cash in on his potential.
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The low blows I see what your saying BUT I mean thats like the people who say they let Hatton get away with too much holding.....
Does this somehow make it legal? Boxing has rules for an abundance of reasons. There was a sequence in the linked video where Kameda landed a 3 punch combination below his opponents beltline with each one being delivered lower and with more force. He pushed the opponent around the ring, nails him with a punishing low blow, the ref didn't say one thing.
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If you go on YouTube theres a video of several people walking out of the Koki-Landeta fight and they are expressing that Koki lost. Again Koki gave him the rematch and beat clearly there.....
I saw that, what is your point? Some fans are bound to dislike a fighter who is as popular as Kameda is already. Not everyone can be pleased, no matter what.
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About Saman well to be fair VD not a whole lot of people know about him and even more sooo you and I know that not a lot people pay as much attention to the smaller classes, also Samans waaaay past his best days now this isn't the same Saman who beat "Chiquita".... Saman has the track record former champ has fought some of the best but you gotta count hes was on his way out.
Yes, the posted above obviously doesn't know what the word avid means.
i like this guy..
You brought up a valid arguement, stated your facts, and defended yourself rather nicely.
CC to you, hope your around alot more.
also,
You will find that when you bring some strong facts into a post, that post, and the person you argue with will fade away quicker than the posts of people bickering back and forth. I cant even count the number of times i have read good posts that end with someone Schooling someone else, and the person getting schooled is never to be heard from again (in that post).
I don't want to say too much because I know VD's type. I will say this though..His name isn't abbreviated into an STD for no reason. As you should have learned from Joe Nameth, they have pills to cure VD. I'm the antidote. ;D
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Re: Koki Kameda, are the officials in his back pocket?
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Originally Posted by Illuminated
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
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Originally Posted by Illuminated
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Originally Posted by CutmeMick
You know I wouldn't say Koki has the judges in his back pocket cause honestly theres no evidence of that.
Is there a possibility? Yes, do we really know? No.
This is the reason I made the thread. I haven't claimed anything corrupt other than what I saw from the fight linked to in this thread. I have merely asked for opinions from people who have followed Kameda more than I have.
Quote:
I also think Koki lost the 1st Landeta fight, but all credit to him for getting back in there and rematching Landeta IMO that speaks volumes of him.
I have yet to see the Landaeta fight, hopefully the torrent I requested from another site will be uploaded today.
Quote:
I also DON't think Japans trying to manufacture a Champ I mean theres no need to, if you look at the lower weight classes throughout the years Japans produced many great Champs.
By manufacture I was referring to his hype machine. It seems to me, and many other Japanese fans, that Kameda is being made into a megastar already. Other Japanese fighters aren't given this same treatment, at least on this level, from what I understand. He is a 20 year old fighter who beat no one in title contention, earned a title shot, won a controversial decisiona nd then won the rematch in his first title defense. He then moved up in weight and fought a 5-1 fighter. He is someone to keep an eye out for, but at this point, it seems they are already trying to cash in on his potential.
Quote:
The low blows I see what your saying BUT I mean thats like the people who say they let Hatton get away with too much holding.....
Does this somehow make it legal? Boxing has rules for an abundance of reasons. There was a sequence in the linked video where Kameda landed a 3 punch combination below his opponents beltline with each one being delivered lower and with more force. He pushed the opponent around the ring, nails him with a punishing low blow, the ref didn't say one thing.
Quote:
If you go on YouTube theres a video of several people walking out of the Koki-Landeta fight and they are expressing that Koki lost. Again Koki gave him the rematch and beat clearly there.....
I saw that, what is your point? Some fans are bound to dislike a fighter who is as popular as Kameda is already. Not everyone can be pleased, no matter what.
Quote:
About Saman well to be fair VD not a whole lot of people know about him and even more sooo you and I know that not a lot people pay as much attention to the smaller classes, also Samans waaaay past his best days now this isn't the same Saman who beat "Chiquita".... Saman has the track record former champ has fought some of the best but you gotta count hes was on his way out.
Yes, the posted above obviously doesn't know what the word avid means.
i like this guy..
You brought up a valid arguement, stated your facts, and defended yourself rather nicely.
CC to you, hope your around alot more.
also,
You will find that when you bring some strong facts into a post, that post, and the person you argue with will fade away quicker than the posts of people bickering back and forth. I cant even count the number of times i have read good posts that end with someone Schooling someone else, and the person getting schooled is never to be heard from again (in that post).
I don't want to say too much because I know VD's type. I will say this though..His name isn't abbreviated into an STD for no reason. As you should have learned from Joe Nameth, they have pills to cure VD. I'm the antidote. ;D
Antidote? Your not even a mediocre poster. You came in here with internet rumors about Kameda. No facts what so ever. You embarrass yourself when you bad mouth him but yet only seen 2 of his fights. But nothing will make me laugh more than when you actually had the nerve (and stupidity) to call yourself an avid boxing fan but you don't know who Saman Sorjaturong is. Stick to WWE or something, cuz you ain't no boxing fan.
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Re: Koki Kameda, are the officials in his back pocket?
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Illuminated
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
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Originally Posted by Illuminated
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Originally Posted by CutmeMick
You know I wouldn't say Koki has the judges in his back pocket cause honestly theres no evidence of that.
Is there a possibility? Yes, do we really know? No.
This is the reason I made the thread. I haven't claimed anything corrupt other than what I saw from the fight linked to in this thread. I have merely asked for opinions from people who have followed Kameda more than I have.
Quote:
I also think Koki lost the 1st Landeta fight, but all credit to him for getting back in there and rematching Landeta IMO that speaks volumes of him.
I have yet to see the Landaeta fight, hopefully the torrent I requested from another site will be uploaded today.
Quote:
I also DON't think Japans trying to manufacture a Champ I mean theres no need to, if you look at the lower weight classes throughout the years Japans produced many great Champs.
By manufacture I was referring to his hype machine. It seems to me, and many other Japanese fans, that Kameda is being made into a megastar already. Other Japanese fighters aren't given this same treatment, at least on this level, from what I understand. He is a 20 year old fighter who beat no one in title contention, earned a title shot, won a controversial decisiona nd then won the rematch in his first title defense. He then moved up in weight and fought a 5-1 fighter. He is someone to keep an eye out for, but at this point, it seems they are already trying to cash in on his potential.
Quote:
The low blows I see what your saying BUT I mean thats like the people who say they let Hatton get away with too much holding.....
Does this somehow make it legal? Boxing has rules for an abundance of reasons. There was a sequence in the linked video where Kameda landed a 3 punch combination below his opponents beltline with each one being delivered lower and with more force. He pushed the opponent around the ring, nails him with a punishing low blow, the ref didn't say one thing.
Quote:
If you go on YouTube theres a video of several people walking out of the Koki-Landeta fight and they are expressing that Koki lost. Again Koki gave him the rematch and beat clearly there.....
I saw that, what is your point? Some fans are bound to dislike a fighter who is as popular as Kameda is already. Not everyone can be pleased, no matter what.
Quote:
About Saman well to be fair VD not a whole lot of people know about him and even more sooo you and I know that not a lot people pay as much attention to the smaller classes, also Samans waaaay past his best days now this isn't the same Saman who beat "Chiquita".... Saman has the track record former champ has fought some of the best but you gotta count hes was on his way out.
Yes, the posted above obviously doesn't know what the word avid means.
i like this guy..
You brought up a valid arguement, stated your facts, and defended yourself rather nicely.
CC to you, hope your around alot more.
also,
You will find that when you bring some strong facts into a post, that post, and the person you argue with will fade away quicker than the posts of people bickering back and forth. I cant even count the number of times i have read good posts that end with someone Schooling someone else, and the person getting schooled is never to be heard from again (in that post).
I don't want to say too much because I know VD's type. I will say this though..His name isn't abbreviated into an STD for no reason. As you should have learned from Joe Nameth, they have pills to cure VD. I'm the antidote. ;D
Antidote? Your not even a mediocre poster. You came in here with internet rumors about Kameda. No facts what so ever. You embarrass yourself when you bad mouth him but yet only seen 2 of his fights. But nothing will make me laugh more than when you actually had the nerve (and stupidity) to call yourself an avid boxing fan but you don't know who Saman Sorjaturong is. Stick to WWE or something, cuz you ain't no boxing fan.
It looks like we have another breakout! ;D This guy is like an itch you can't scratch. If you scratch it, then it will only spread. I'm just going to pretend I never slept with Saddo and contracted this disease, metophircally speaking. With that said, can anyone tell me if Saddo's has an ignore option?
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Re: Koki Kameda, are the officials in his back pocket?
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Originally Posted by Illuminated
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Illuminated
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
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Originally Posted by Illuminated
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Originally Posted by CutmeMick
You know I wouldn't say Koki has the judges in his back pocket cause honestly theres no evidence of that.
Is there a possibility? Yes, do we really know? No.
This is the reason I made the thread. I haven't claimed anything corrupt other than what I saw from the fight linked to in this thread. I have merely asked for opinions from people who have followed Kameda more than I have.
Quote:
I also think Koki lost the 1st Landeta fight, but all credit to him for getting back in there and rematching Landeta IMO that speaks volumes of him.
I have yet to see the Landaeta fight, hopefully the torrent I requested from another site will be uploaded today.
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I also DON't think Japans trying to manufacture a Champ I mean theres no need to, if you look at the lower weight classes throughout the years Japans produced many great Champs.
By manufacture I was referring to his hype machine. It seems to me, and many other Japanese fans, that Kameda is being made into a megastar already. Other Japanese fighters aren't given this same treatment, at least on this level, from what I understand. He is a 20 year old fighter who beat no one in title contention, earned a title shot, won a controversial decisiona nd then won the rematch in his first title defense. He then moved up in weight and fought a 5-1 fighter. He is someone to keep an eye out for, but at this point, it seems they are already trying to cash in on his potential.
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The low blows I see what your saying BUT I mean thats like the people who say they let Hatton get away with too much holding.....
Does this somehow make it legal? Boxing has rules for an abundance of reasons. There was a sequence in the linked video where Kameda landed a 3 punch combination below his opponents beltline with each one being delivered lower and with more force. He pushed the opponent around the ring, nails him with a punishing low blow, the ref didn't say one thing.
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If you go on YouTube theres a video of several people walking out of the Koki-Landeta fight and they are expressing that Koki lost. Again Koki gave him the rematch and beat clearly there.....
I saw that, what is your point? Some fans are bound to dislike a fighter who is as popular as Kameda is already. Not everyone can be pleased, no matter what.
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About Saman well to be fair VD not a whole lot of people know about him and even more sooo you and I know that not a lot people pay as much attention to the smaller classes, also Samans waaaay past his best days now this isn't the same Saman who beat "Chiquita".... Saman has the track record former champ has fought some of the best but you gotta count hes was on his way out.
Yes, the posted above obviously doesn't know what the word avid means.
i like this guy..
You brought up a valid arguement, stated your facts, and defended yourself rather nicely.
CC to you, hope your around alot more.
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You will find that when you bring some strong facts into a post, that post, and the person you argue with will fade away quicker than the posts of people bickering back and forth. I cant even count the number of times i have read good posts that end with someone Schooling someone else, and the person getting schooled is never to be heard from again (in that post).
I don't want to say too much because I know VD's type. I will say this though..His name isn't abbreviated into an STD for no reason. As you should have learned from Joe Nameth, they have pills to cure VD. I'm the antidote. ;D
Antidote? Your not even a mediocre poster. You came in here with internet rumors about Kameda. No facts what so ever. You embarrass yourself when you bad mouth him but yet only seen 2 of his fights. But nothing will make me laugh more than when you actually had the nerve (and stupidity) to call yourself an avid boxing fan but you don't know who Saman Sorjaturong is. Stick to WWE or something, cuz you ain't no boxing fan.
It looks like we have another breakout! ;D This guy is like an itch you can't scratch. If you scratch it, then it will only spread. I'm just going to pretend I never slept with Saddo and contracted this disease, metophircally speaking. With that said, can anyone tell me if Saddo's has an ignore option?
The answer is simple. Stop posting nonsense ("his fathers gang ties"). If you avoid that (which I doubt you can) you'll be alright. If not, you get smashed on. That simple.
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Re: Koki Kameda, are the officials in his back pocket?
Any news opinions on the Kameda's after recent events?
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Re: Koki Kameda, are the officials in his back pocket?
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Kameda knocked out the great Saman Sorjaturong in only his 7th fight and at 18 years of age
Saman who had a great war with Chiquita Gonzalez quite a while ago. Not in his prime obviously when he fought Kameda.
I don't admire Japanese boxers that much. They seem to hand-pick their opponents (consisting of journeymen most of the time). Something I like about Pac is that at least he's getting out of the Phils to fight top notch opposition and proving he has what it takes to be a champion. I have seen lots of fights in Japan that are a complete steal *sigh*. Seems like Japanese have to be taken out on a stretcher to REALLY LOSE a match.
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Re: Koki Kameda, are the officials in his back pocket?
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Kameda knocked out the great Saman Sorjaturong in only his 7th fight and at 18 years of age
Saman who had a great war with Chiquita Gonzalez quite a while ago. Not in his prime obviously when he fought Kameda.
I don't admire Japanese boxers that much. They seem to hand-pick their opponents (consisting of journeymen most of the time). Something I like about Pac is that at least he's getting out of the Phils to fight top notch opposition and proving he has what it takes to be a champion. I have seen lots of fights in Japan that are a complete steal *sigh*. Seems like Japanese have to be taken out on a stretcher to REALLY LOSE a match.
Not sure about your comment on Jap fighters. One of my faves,Takefumi Sakata does not handpick his opponents. Elaborate on your point,name a fighter.
