Carl Froch? Whats he done?

This man is one of the most talked up fighters ever. the guy has not beaten a top 20 fighter in his divisio yet, and all his fans claim he'd beat guys like Mundine and Miranda, and give Calzaghe and Kessler a run for their money. I mean please let the guy beat someone in the top 5 in his division before going on about him.
His fanboys couldnt stop going on about how he stopped Tatevosyan yet this Russian had already been beat by a guy Pirog who'd had 3 fights, did not win a round abainst Bute, and has lost to Khoren Gevor? Who?

Froch reminds me of Ryan Rhodes. Only not quite as good.

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This man is one of the most talked up fighters ever. the guy has not beaten a top 20 fighter in his divisio yet, and all his fans claim he'd beat guys like Mundine and Miranda, and give Calzaghe and Kessler a run for their money. I mean please let the guy beat someone in the top 5 in his division before going on about him.
His fanboys couldnt stop going on about how he stopped Tatevosyan yet this Russian had already been beat by a guy Pirog who'd had 3 fights, did not win a round abainst Bute, and has lost to Khoren Gevor? Who?

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Carl Froch? Whats he done?

Nothing much considering his age he has beat mediocre or domestic level opponents and people keep saying oh well he looked impressive but so would any decent Supermiddleweight look good against those opponents in such a weak division like Supermiddleweight.

Im glad a few people agree with me. If Carl wasnt british we wouldnt have heard of him....

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So is Simone Maludrottu. What's your point?

I agree he hasn't done much, but he's definitely got talent! He's got good power as well. I would like to see him matched with someone in the top 10 pretty soon!

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I agree he hasn't done much, but he's definitely got talent! He's got good power as well. I would like to see him matched with someone in the top 10 pretty soon!

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Top ten soon? How can he be WBC number 1? He is 29 and had 21 fights and not even fought a decent guy in the top 20. Most top fighters have a world title at this stage.

Not much! Mundine should fight him and put him out of contention

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I wish Mundine would. I would like to see Froch v Oganov.

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I agree he hasn't done much, but he's definitely got talent! He's got good power as well. I would like to see him matched with someone in the top 10 pretty soon!

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Top ten soon? How can he be WBC number 1? He is 29 and had 21 fights and not even fought a decent guy in the top 20. Most top fighters have a world title at this stage.

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For starters mate forget the alphabet crap cause its ruining the game. Pavlik had the same stuff said about him. I rate Froch in the bottom half of the top ten. But at this point I think Calzaghe crushes him. In saying that I think he'd beats a lot of other guys in the top 10... Beyer, Lacy, Green, Inkin & Bika. I'd love to see him face Andrade!

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Top ten soon? How can he be WBC number 1? He is 29 and had 21 fights and not even fought a decent guy in the top 20. Most top fighters have a world title at this stage.

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For starters mate forget the alphabet crap cause its ruining the game. Pavlik had the same stuff said about him. I rate Froch in the bottom half of the top ten. But at this point I think Calzaghe crushes him. In saying that I think he'd beats a lot of other guys in the top 10... Beyer, Lacy, Green, Inkin & Bika. I'd love to see him face Andrade!

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Green is LHW these days, Beyer is shot, Inkin and Bika arent even in the league of Mundine. Its hard to say where Lacy is at.

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Top ten soon? How can he be WBC number 1? He is 29 and had 21 fights and not even fought a decent guy in the top 20. Most top fighters have a world title at this stage.

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For starters mate forget the alphabet crap cause its ruining the game. Pavlik had the same stuff said about him. I rate Froch in the bottom half of the top ten. But at this point I think Calzaghe crushes him. In saying that I think he'd beats a lot of other guys in the top 10... Beyer, Lacy, Green, Inkin & Bika. I'd love to see him face Andrade!

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Green is LHW these days, Beyer is shot, Inkin and Bika arent even in the league of Mundine. Its hard to say where Lacy is at.

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Was talking about Allan Green, so you think he can beat these guys too? They are all currently ranked in the Rings top 10 super middleweight division!

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Top ten soon? How can he be WBC number 1? He is 29 and had 21 fights and not even fought a decent guy in the top 20. Most top fighters have a world title at this stage.

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For starters mate forget the alphabet crap cause its ruining the game. Pavlik had the same stuff said about him. I rate Froch in the bottom half of the top ten. But at this point I think Calzaghe crushes him. In saying that I think he'd beats a lot of other guys in the top 10... Beyer, Lacy, Green, Inkin & Bika. I'd love to see him face Andrade!

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Green is LHW these days, Beyer is shot, Inkin and Bika arent even in the league of Mundine. Its hard to say where Lacy is at.

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Was talking about Allan Green, so you think he can beat these guys too? They are all currently ranked in the Rings top 10 super middleweight division!

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My bad about Green. Ive seen Froch and sure he has power but no guy he has faced has really fought back or had the skill to fight back. I think anyone with decent defense and some speed could give him fits. Carls defence is woeful. Im saying even if he did beat these guys it doesnt prove he is a top class fighter. Although it would be good to see him fight one of those names to see where he is at. Calzaghe, Mundine, Kessler all whoop his ass.

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I agree he hasn't done much, but he's definitely got talent! He's got good power as well. I would like to see him matched with someone in the top 10 pretty soon!

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Top ten soon? How can he be WBC number 1? He is 29 and had 21 fights and not even fought a decent guy in the top 20. Most top fighters have a world title at this stage.

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For starters mate forget the alphabet crap cause its ruining the game. Pavlik had the same stuff said about him. I rate Froch in the bottom half of the top ten. But at this point I think Calzaghe crushes him. In saying that I think he'd beats a lot of other guys in the top 10... Beyer, Lacy, Green, Inkin & Bika. I'd love to see him face Andrade!

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Green is LHW these days, Beyer is shot, Inkin and Bika arent even in the league of Mundine. Its hard to say where Lacy is at.

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Was talking about Allan Green, so you think he can beat these guys too? They are all currently ranked in the Rings top 10 super middleweight division!

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My bad about Green. Ive seen Froch and sure he has power but no guy he has faced has really fought back or had the skill to fight back. I think anyone with decent defense and some speed could give him fits. Carls defence is woeful. Im saying even if he did beat these guys it doesnt prove he is a top class fighter. Although it would be good to see him fight one of those names to see where he is at. Calzaghe, Mundine, Kessler all whoop his a**.

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Calzaghe & Kessler agreed, but by how I saw Mundine fight last night I'm not so sure. If Anthony plays around with a guy like Froch he'll be taken out!

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I agree he hasn't done much, but he's definitely got talent! He's got good power as well. I would like to see him matched with someone in the top 10 pretty soon!

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Top ten soon? How can he be WBC number 1? He is 29 and had 21 fights and not even fought a decent guy in the top 20. Most top fighters have a world title at this stage.

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For starters mate forget the alphabet crap cause its ruining the game. Pavlik had the same stuff said about him. I rate Froch in the bottom half of the top ten. But at this point I think Calzaghe crushes him. In saying that I think he'd beats a lot of other guys in the top 10... Beyer, Lacy, Green, Inkin & Bika. I'd love to see him face Andrade!

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Green is LHW these days, Beyer is shot, Inkin and Bika arent even in the league of Mundine. Its hard to say where Lacy is at.

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Was talking about Allan Green, so you think he can beat these guys too? They are all currently ranked in the Rings top 10 super middleweight division!

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My bad about Green. Ive seen Froch and sure he has power but no guy he has faced has really fought back or had the skill to fight back. I think anyone with decent defense and some speed could give him fits. Carls defence is woeful. Im saying even if he did beat these guys it doesnt prove he is a top class fighter. Although it would be good to see him fight one of those names to see where he is at. Calzaghe, Mundine, Kessler all whoop his a**.

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Calzaghe & Kessler agreed, but by how I saw Mundine fight last night I'm not so sure. If Anthony plays around with a guy like Froch he'll be taken out!

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He wouldnt play around with him. He'd pick him off like he did Danny Green and win a large points decision.

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I agree he hasn't done much, but he's definitely got talent! He's got good power as well. I would like to see him matched with someone in the top 10 pretty soon!

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Top ten soon? How can he be WBC number 1? He is 29 and had 21 fights and not even fought a decent guy in the top 20. Most top fighters have a world title at this stage.

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For starters mate forget the alphabet crap cause its ruining the game. Pavlik had the same stuff said about him. I rate Froch in the bottom half of the top ten. But at this point I think Calzaghe crushes him. In saying that I think he'd beats a lot of other guys in the top 10... Beyer, Lacy, Green, Inkin & Bika. I'd love to see him face Andrade!

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Green is LHW these days, Beyer is shot, Inkin and Bika arent even in the league of Mundine. Its hard to say where Lacy is at.

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Was talking about Allan Green, so you think he can beat these guys too? They are all currently ranked in the Rings top 10 super middleweight division!

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My bad about Green. Ive seen Froch and sure he has power but no guy he has faced has really fought back or had the skill to fight back. I think anyone with decent defense and some speed could give him fits. Carls defence is woeful. Im saying even if he did beat these guys it doesnt prove he is a top class fighter. Although it would be good to see him fight one of those names to see where he is at. Calzaghe, Mundine, Kessler all whoop his a**.

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Calzaghe & Kessler agreed, but by how I saw Mundine fight last night I'm not so sure. If Anthony plays around with a guy like Froch he'll be taken out!

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He wouldnt play around with him. He'd pick him off like he did Danny Green and win a large points decision.

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So you are giving Froch some credit, Mundine knows when he's in the ring with a serious threat & boxes smartly. I personally think it would be closer than the Green fight.

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I agree he hasn't done much, but he's definitely got talent! He's got good power as well. I would like to see him matched with someone in the top 10 pretty soon!

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Top ten soon? How can he be WBC number 1? He is 29 and had 21 fights and not even fought a decent guy in the top 20. Most top fighters have a world title at this stage.

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For starters mate forget the alphabet crap cause its ruining the game. Pavlik had the same stuff said about him. I rate Froch in the bottom half of the top ten. But at this point I think Calzaghe crushes him. In saying that I think he'd beats a lot of other guys in the top 10... Beyer, Lacy, Green, Inkin & Bika. I'd love to see him face Andrade!

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Green is LHW these days, Beyer is shot, Inkin and Bika arent even in the league of Mundine. Its hard to say where Lacy is at.

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Was talking about Allan Green, so you think he can beat these guys too? They are all currently ranked in the Rings top 10 super middleweight division!

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My bad about Green. Ive seen Froch and sure he has power but no guy he has faced has really fought back or had the skill to fight back. I think anyone with decent defense and some speed could give him fits. Carls defence is woeful. Im saying even if he did beat these guys it doesnt prove he is a top class fighter. Although it would be good to see him fight one of those names to see where he is at. Calzaghe, Mundine, Kessler all whoop his a**.

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Calzaghe & Kessler agreed, but by how I saw Mundine fight last night I'm not so sure. If Anthony plays around with a guy like Froch he'll be taken out!

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He wouldnt play around with him. He'd pick him off like he did Danny Green and win a large points decision.

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So you are giving Froch some credit, Mundine knows when he's in the ring with a serious threat & boxes smartly. I personally think it would be closer than the Green fight.

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Im saying Froch is better than Mundines last opponent. Green had achieved a lot more than Froch has when he fought Mundine, and had been in with good opposition. If Froch fought Mundine next it'd be a massive step up in class. I think Mundine would almost shut out Froch, and maybe even tko him late on. Froch's only chance is a ko, and if Kessler couldnt do it i dont think Carl can.

If Mundine fights like he did against Soliman then I agree, but I have a feeling Froch would be able to get Mundine out of his game plan... then it could be anyones fight!

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If Mundine fights like he did against Soliman then I agree, but I have a feeling Froch would be able to get Mundine out of his game plan... then it could be anyones fight!

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What if Froch finds he cant hit Mundine? Then what? All of a sudden he is 6 rounds behind and keeps eating jabs? Thats what i see happening.

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If Mundine fights like he did against Soliman then I agree, but I have a feeling Froch would be able to get Mundine out of his game plan... then it could be anyones fight!

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What if Froch finds he cant hit Mundine? Then what? All of a sudden he is 6 rounds behind and keeps eating jabs? Thats what i see happening.

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It's foreseeable, but Mundine likes to lay on the ropes a lot. It could spell trouble!

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If Mundine fights like he did against Soliman then I agree, but I have a feeling Froch would be able to get Mundine out of his game plan... then it could be anyones fight!

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What if Froch finds he cant hit Mundine? Then what? All of a sudden he is 6 rounds behind and keeps eating jabs? Thats what i see happening.

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It's foreseeable, but Mundine likes to lay on the ropes a lot. It could spell trouble!

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Is still think if Kessler, Green and Soliman couldnt hurt Mundine Froch cant. Just my opinion.

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If Mundine fights like he did against Soliman then I agree, but I have a feeling Froch would be able to get Mundine out of his game plan... then it could be anyones fight!

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What if Froch finds he cant hit Mundine? Then what? All of a sudden he is 6 rounds behind and keeps eating jabs? Thats what i see happening.

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It's foreseeable, but Mundine likes to lay on the ropes a lot. It could spell trouble!

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Is still think if Kessler, Green and Soliman couldnt hurt Mundine Froch cant. Just my opinion.

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Kessler & Green can hit, Soliman can't! Thing is Mundine tends to get careless... think Siaca & Nishizawa!

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If Mundine fights like he did against Soliman then I agree, but I have a feeling Froch would be able to get Mundine out of his game plan... then it could be anyones fight!

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What if Froch finds he cant hit Mundine? Then what? All of a sudden he is 6 rounds behind and keeps eating jabs? Thats what i see happening.

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It's foreseeable, but Mundine likes to lay on the ropes a lot. It could spell trouble!

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Is still think if Kessler, Green and Soliman couldnt hurt Mundine Froch cant. Just my opinion.

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Kessler & Green can hit, Soliman can't! Thing is Mundine tends to get careless... think Siaca & Nishizawa!

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He has learnt from that. He hasnt been hit flush since siaca. The truth is that Mundine has fought many top suppermiddles and done well, Froch hasnt fought a top 20 guy. Until he does its not even worth comparing the two.

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If Mundine fights like he did against Soliman then I agree, but I have a feeling Froch would be able to get Mundine out of his game plan... then it could be anyones fight!

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What if Froch finds he cant hit Mundine? Then what? All of a sudden he is 6 rounds behind and keeps eating jabs? Thats what i see happening.

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It's foreseeable, but Mundine likes to lay on the ropes a lot. It could spell trouble!

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Is still think if Kessler, Green and Soliman couldnt hurt Mundine Froch cant. Just my opinion.

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Kessler & Green can hit, Soliman can't! Thing is Mundine tends to get careless... think Siaca & Nishizawa!

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He has learnt from that. He hasnt been hit flush since siaca. The truth is that Mundine has fought many top suppermiddles and done well, Froch hasnt fought a top 20 guy. Until he does its not even worth comparing the two.

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Sweet as bro, but that's the whole fun of being on the forum, the debate. I don't even like Froch. Just trying to be fair to both guys. Up until last night I thought Mundine was a big threat for Calzaghe & Kessler. But his performance last night has had me second guessing him!

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If Mundine fights like he did against Soliman then I agree, but I have a feeling Froch would be able to get Mundine out of his game plan... then it could be anyones fight!

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What if Froch finds he cant hit Mundine? Then what? All of a sudden he is 6 rounds behind and keeps eating jabs? Thats what i see happening.

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It's foreseeable, but Mundine likes to lay on the ropes a lot. It could spell trouble!

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Is still think if Kessler, Green and Soliman couldnt hurt Mundine Froch cant. Just my opinion.

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Kessler & Green can hit, Soliman can't! Thing is Mundine tends to get careless... think Siaca & Nishizawa!

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He has learnt from that. He hasnt been hit flush since siaca. The truth is that Mundine has fought many top suppermiddles and done well, Froch hasnt fought a top 20 guy. Until he does its not even worth comparing the two.

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Sweet as bro, but that's the whole fun of being on the forum, the debate. I don't even like Froch. Just trying to be fair to both guys. Up until last night I thought Mundine was a big threat for Calzaghe & Kessler. But his performance last night has had me second guessing him!

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I think Mundine just did enough to win, i think he could have ko'ed his opponent but probably was a little cautious. Thats probably what he has learned since siaca and nishizawa.

I'd like to add that Victor Oganov has almost as good a record as Froch but never gets mentioned in the same breath. If Victor was from the UK he'd be big news.

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I'd like to add that Victor Oganov has almost as good a record as Froch but never gets mentioned in the same breath. If Victor was from the UK he'd be big news.

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Maybe, but Froch is ranked in the top 10, Oganov is not. I don't think it will be long though before Oganov starts getting some recognition. With a record like his it won't be long indeed!

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Is still think if Kessler, Green and Soliman couldnt hurt Mundine Froch cant. Just my opinion.

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But Sven " I hit like A girl" Otke KO Mundine so yes he has an IRON jaw............... ;D

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Mundine fought 24-0 Ottke in his 10th fight for the IBF title. Froch fought Alan Page......

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There's no time to wait for that. Froch is already quite old. As a fan you need to pretend he's achieved something already or the whole thing is just too damn depressing ;D

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There's no time to wait for that. Froch is already quite old. As a fan you need to pretend he's achieved something already or the whole thing is just too damn depressing ;D

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I just dont see how a guy can be rated top 5 by so many ppl without beating a top 20 guy.

Froch hasn't beaten a top ranked contender yet, but by looking at his fights he may be capable of world champion status, by keeping us waiting like this only builds the hype, his promoter is playing a risky game, but it might pay off when the world title fight comes. Froch is one of the best ticket sellers in the UK at the minute, he has the pulling power of David Haye in his hometown.

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Froch hasn't beaten a top ranked contender yet, but by looking at his fights he may be capable of world champion status, by keeping us waiting like this only builds the hype, his promoter is playing a risky game, but it might pay off when the world title fight comes. Froch is one of the best ticket sellers in the UK at the minute, he has the pulling power of David Haye in his hometown.

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Thats all well and good, but he is 29, say it taakes him another 2 years to get a shot. He is no spring chicken. He needs to fight a top guy soon, or atleast test himself. Thats the trouble with british boxers they can make loads of cash without testing themselves.

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Froch hasn't beaten a top ranked contender yet, but by looking at his fights he may be capable of world champion status, by keeping us waiting like this only builds the hype, his promoter is playing a risky game, but it might pay off when the world title fight comes. Froch is one of the best ticket sellers in the UK at the minute, he has the pulling power of David Haye in his hometown.

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Thats all well and good, but he is 29, say it taakes him another 2 years to get a shot. He is no spring chicken. He needs to fight a top guy soon, or atleast test himself. Thats the trouble with british boxers they can make loads of cash without testing themselves.

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Saying that, once you get past middleweight, these days guys can last until they're 34-35 no problem, Froch hasn't been beaten up much and his style isn't too much about speed so I think the age isn't too much of an issue.

Carl will be in his 30s next week and hes still 4 months away from fighting again, the blokes a joke ;D

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