Hatton is handpicked by PBF... this is blasphemy, but please hear me out.

It seems like the best fight Mayweather had in ages, but it also reminds me of the Judah matchup.
And I know this is a European based forum, so I'm already hated. heheh I'm kidding! ;)

But... Hatton is the next best thing in boxing.
There is a buzz about Hatton & Mayweather already, as this site and many others have shown.
Everybody is shocked that Manchester took over Vegas! Ricky's fame is rising pretty fast.
In all this fanfare, there has been some backlash, some have labeled him "overrated" and a "bum."
He's NOT a bum! But I think it's safe to say we all admit he is a bit overrated.

He did have trouble with boxer/punchers Luis Collazo, some say he lost, but everybody has to agree that Hatton barely survived the last round. Collazo isn't a puncher, but he did use his superior ring generalship and legs. Collazo is good, but Shane ended him, he's been quiet since. And another young man, Urango, made Hatton look average and un-exciting.
This incited Wayne McCullough to publicly lecture Ricky "Fatton" stating that he should lay off the drinking and partying.
Many others, on this site were on the same boat with Wayne. ;)

To be fair, Hatton did look amazing against Ben Tackie,
but Ben isn't much of a technical boxer and took a beating from Sharmba and Kostya just before he met Ricky.
Warren did keep Hatton in Manchester and did develope the legit fighter Hatton very well.
I will say this, Hatton look BRUTAL against Carlos Maussa! That was a damn good leaping left hook!
Maussa was legit, but his record isn't THAT good, nevertheless I was a good night. :)

Hatton isn't that big, he went up to 147 and admitted it was too hard to take the punches and he felt weaker.
Later on he said that it was the court obligations that sidetracked him, which is a possibility of course,
Yet Hatton hasn't come back to 147 since, even with the increase pay in the States and the luxury rest he's gotten.

Hatton did impressively defeat Castillo and Tszyu... both were a time to celebrate... but
Both Kostya and JLC were on the slide, even if Hatton helped to finally knock them off their slide! ;D
I hate to admit that but it's true, JLC and Tszyu were at the end of their careers when they met up with the Hitman.
Hatton stopped them impressively, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

Stylistically ...
Hattons the easiest out of the sizeable and harder hitting Margarito, Cotto, and veteran Mosley.
It's just my opinion, I'll take heat for this, but I actually think Mosley is the easiest of the three mentioned...
but Mosley is pretty bad@ss for an old man. But that's like saying the gas chamber is easier than the chair. :P
Not as fast as Floyd and I will say he's no longer in his prime years, but he's smart, stronger, bigger, a veteran, and most of all he's not afraid. 8) I've grown into a Mosley fan. :)
He doesn't have much time left, so I can TOTALLY understand a matchup that should happen soon with Mayweather.
Shane has earned it. He's earned everything.

And note to Margarito haters: You know Floyd ducked that one! ;) wink wink ;D


I'd applaud Mayweather if he wanted to fight Cotto or Margarito. I'd be impressed if he fought Mosley.
And I'd want him to RUN to a Ricky Hatton fight as soon as possible if I were his manager.

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It seems like the best fight Mayweather had in ages, but it also reminds me of the Judah matchup.
And I know this is a European based forum, so I'm already hated. heheh I'm kidding! ;)

But... Hatton is the next best thing in boxing.
There is a buzz about Hatton & Mayweather already, as this site and many others have shown.
Everybody is shocked that Manchester took over Vegas! Ricky's fame is rising pretty fast.
In all this fanfare, there has been some backlash, some have labeled him "overrated" and a "bum."
He's NOT a bum! But I think it's safe to say we all admit he is a bit overrated.

He did have trouble with boxer/punchers Luis Collazo, some say he lost, but everybody has to agree that Hatton barely survived the last round. Collazo isn't a puncher, but he did use his superior ring generalship and legs. Collazo is good, but Shane ended him, he's been quiet since. And another young man, Urango, made Hatton look average and un-exciting.
This incited Wayne McCullough to publicly lecture Ricky "Fatton" stating that he should lay off the drinking and partying.
Many others, on this site were on the same boat with Wayne. ;)

To be fair, Hatton did look amazing against Ben Tackie,
but Ben isn't much of a technical boxer and took a beating from Sharmba and Kostya just before he met Ricky.
Warren did keep Hatton in Manchester and did develope the legit fighter Hatton very well.
I will say this, Hatton look BRUTAL against Carlos Maussa! That was a damn good leaping left hook!
Maussa was legit, but his record isn't THAT good, nevertheless I was a good night. :)

Hatton isn't that big, he went up to 147 and admitted it was too hard to take the punches and he felt weaker.
Later on he said that it was the court obligations that sidetracked him, which is a possibility of course,
Yet Hatton hasn't come back to 147 since, even with the increase pay in the States and the luxury rest he's gotten.

Hatton did impressively defeat Castillo and Tszyu... both were a time to celebrate... but
Both Kostya and JLC were on the slide, even if Hatton helped to finally knock them off their slide! ;D
I hate to admit that but it's true, JLC and Tszyu were at the end of their careers when they met up with the Hitman.
Hatton stopped them impressively, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

Stylistically ...
Hattons the easiest out of the sizeable and harder hitting Margarito, Cotto, and veteran Mosley.
It's just my opinion, I'll take heat for this, but I actually think Mosley is the easiest of the three mentioned...
but Mosley is pretty bad@ss for an old man. But that's like saying the gas chamber is easier than the chair. :P
Not as fast as Floyd and I will say he's no longer in his prime years, but he's smart, stronger, bigger, a veteran, and most of all he's not afraid. 8) I've grown into a Mosley fan. :)
He doesn't have much time left, so I can TOTALLY understand a matchup that should happen soon with Mayweather.
Shane has earned it. He's earned everything.

And note to Margarito haters: You know Floyd ducked that one! ;) wink wink ;D


I'd applaud Mayweather if he wanted to fight Cotto or Margarito. I'd be impressed if he fought Mosley.
And I'd want him to RUN to a Ricky Hatton fight as soon as possible if I were his manager.

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I don't agree he's overrated. I'm a massive fan, which I have never hidden, but I believe Ricky really is that good and I'm happy to put his off performances against Collazo and Urango down to bad days at the office against tricky people. Ricky did it the hard way against Collazo in what was an exciting fight, that is one of my all time favourite fights because I was on the edge of my seat. Cotto had similar problems with Torres.

To me, had can beat Mayweather, I really believe he can.

While I didn't agree with your overall argument, you made some good points so :coolclick: #336.

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It seems like the best fight Mayweather had in ages, but it also reminds me of the Judah matchup.
And I know this is a European based forum, so I'm already hated. heheh I'm kidding! ;)

But... Hatton is the next best thing in boxing.
There is a buzz about Hatton & Mayweather already, as this site and many others have shown.
Everybody is shocked that Manchester took over Vegas! Ricky's fame is rising pretty fast.
In all this fanfare, there has been some backlash, some have labeled him "overrated" and a "bum."
He's NOT a bum! But I think it's safe to say we all admit he is a bit overrated.

He did have trouble with boxer/punchers Luis Collazo, some say he lost, but everybody has to agree that Hatton barely survived the last round. Collazo isn't a puncher, but he did use his superior ring generalship and legs. Collazo is good, but Shane ended him, he's been quiet since. And another young man, Urango, made Hatton look average and un-exciting.
This incited Wayne McCullough to publicly lecture Ricky "Fatton" stating that he should lay off the drinking and partying.
Many others, on this site were on the same boat with Wayne. ;)

To be fair, Hatton did look amazing against Ben Tackie,
but Ben isn't much of a technical boxer and took a beating from Sharmba and Kostya just before he met Ricky.
Warren did keep Hatton in Manchester and did develope the legit fighter Hatton very well.
I will say this, Hatton look BRUTAL against Carlos Maussa! That was a damn good leaping left hook!
Maussa was legit, but his record isn't THAT good, nevertheless I was a good night. :)

Hatton isn't that big, he went up to 147 and admitted it was too hard to take the punches and he felt weaker.
Later on he said that it was the court obligations that sidetracked him, which is a possibility of course,
Yet Hatton hasn't come back to 147 since, even with the increase pay in the States and the luxury rest he's gotten.

Hatton did impressively defeat Castillo and Tszyu... both were a time to celebrate... but
Both Kostya and JLC were on the slide, even if Hatton helped to finally knock them off their slide! ;D
I hate to admit that but it's true, JLC and Tszyu were at the end of their careers when they met up with the Hitman.
Hatton stopped them impressively, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

Stylistically ...
Hattons the easiest out of the sizeable and harder hitting Margarito, Cotto, and veteran Mosley.
It's just my opinion, I'll take heat for this, but I actually think Mosley is the easiest of the three mentioned...
but Mosley is pretty bad@ss for an old man. But that's like saying the gas chamber is easier than the chair. :P
Not as fast as Floyd and I will say he's no longer in his prime years, but he's smart, stronger, bigger, a veteran, and most of all he's not afraid. 8) I've grown into a Mosley fan. :)
He doesn't have much time left, so I can TOTALLY understand a matchup that should happen soon with Mayweather.
Shane has earned it. He's earned everything.

And note to Margarito haters: You know Floyd ducked that one! ;) wink wink ;D


I'd applaud Mayweather if he wanted to fight Cotto or Margarito. I'd be impressed if he fought Mosley.
And I'd want him to RUN to a Ricky Hatton fight as soon as possible if I were his manager.

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I don't agree he's overrated. I'm a massive fan, which I have never hidden, but I believe Ricky really is that good and I'm happy to put his off performances against Collazo and Urango down to bad days at the office against tricky people. Ricky did it the hard way against Collazo in what was an exciting fight, that is one of my all time favourite fights because I was on the edge of my seat. Cotto had similar problems with Torres.

To me, had can beat Mayweather, I really believe he can.

While I didn't agree with your overall argument, you made some good points so :coolclick: #336.

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The future will hopefully work itself out on this one.
You want a Hatton fight and it just may happen. (... or maybe not)
Although, stylewise I think I see why Mayweather is talking bold to Hitman.
I'm happy for you diehard Ricky fans if it works out,
I love it when my ultimate favorite gets his chance.

If i was hatton i wouldnt be looking for the Floyd fight next, granted the kid is now on a role, why not have one more fight at 140 against paulie, claim another paper tittle and then move up to 147. The Floyd fight would be at 147 so he sould have a tune up fight against a credible oppenent and then take on Cotto, which i believe Hatton can win with decent preperation this time at the weight. Granted it would be close!

A fight then with PBF would be massive after them three more wins and Hatton would be more acoustomed to the fighting weight. The winner would then be The undisputed P4P king.

Thoughts?

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If i was hatton i wouldnt be looking for the Floyd fight next, granted the kid is now on a role, why not have one more fight at 140 against paulie, claim another paper tittle and then move up to 147. The Floyd fight would be at 147 so he sould have a tune up fight against a credible oppenent and then take on Cotto, which i believe Hatton can win with decent preperation this time at the weight. Granted it would be close!

A fight then with PBF would be massive after them three more wins and Hatton would be more acoustomed to the fighting weight. The winner would then be The undisputed P4P king.

Thoughts?

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i agree with you. hatton could take out malignaggi, could possibly win what would be an awesome fight against Cotto and then really wouldnt even need Floyd to be considered the top dog or close to it...i dont know if he can take someone as big as Margarito but he sure could go about this a little smarter...to go after Mayweather right now is just asking to put a blemish on his perfect record. He isnt ready and might never be. The style is all wrong for him. Mayweather 10 rounds to 2 or by late stoppage on cuts.

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If i was hatton i wouldnt be looking for the Floyd fight next, granted the kid is now on a role, why not have one more fight at 140 against paulie, claim another paper tittle and then move up to 147. The Floyd fight would be at 147 so he sould have a tune up fight against a credible oppenent and then take on Cotto, which i believe Hatton can win with decent preperation this time at the weight. Granted it would be close!

A fight then with PBF would be massive after them three more wins and Hatton would be more acoustomed to the fighting weight. The winner would then be The undisputed P4P king.

Thoughts?

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i agree with you. hatton could take out malignaggi, could possibly win what would be an awesome fight against Cotto and then really wouldnt even need Floyd to be considered the top dog or close to it...i dont know if he can take someone as big as Margarito but he sure could go about this a little smarter...to go after Mayweather right now is just asking to put a blemish on his perfect record. He isnt ready and might never be. The style is all wrong for him. Mayweather 10 rounds to 2 or by late stoppage on cuts.

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No point fighting Paulie, as he'll get little credit for the win.

Why take the risky longer route to Floyd when he already has his attention? Ricky will just be wasting time. Take him now as Ricky's confidence will be high after his last performance.

yeh i agree this is a good time to try on take floyd but a loss now could be a huge set back, i just dont knowwhere he would turn after this fight if he lost?

This is the defining fight and a loss could end his career imo

The style is all wrong for him. Mayweather 10 rounds to 2 or by late stoppage on cuts.
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Hatton can cause problems if he can trap Floyd on the ropes with Hatton mauling PBF on the ropes he wont care where he hits him.Floyd doesnt like to be traped on ropes and Hatton will stick to him like glue.Not many fighters have managed to trap him tho but when they do he finds it hard.

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The style is all wrong for him. Mayweather 10 rounds to 2 or by late stoppage on cuts.

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Hatton can cause problems if he can trap Floyd on the ropes with Hatton mauling PBF on the ropes he wont care where he hits him.Floyd doesnt like to be traped on ropes and Hatton will stick to him like glue.Not many fighters have managed to trap him tho but when they do he finds it hard.
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the ring will be 16feet and floyd will hit hatton as he comes in..and on the ropes floyd will tie up untill the ref comes in...if hatton doesn't get stopped the ref will DQ him for holding....

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yeh i agree this is a good time to try on take floyd but a loss now could be a huge set back, i just dont knowwhere he would turn after this fight if he lost?

This is the defining fight and a loss could end his career imo

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Totally disagree. There is no shame in losing to Floyd. For Hatton, this is surely a nose lose situation. He'd fight Paulie at MSG if he lost. Win or lose, he's still 140lb king!

A loss for either fighter would be devastating...A rematch would immediatly be sought, this fight will tarnish the loser's legacy horribly

If Hatton has the offer from PBF NOW he has to take the fight NOW.
If Ricky fights someone else, that gives Mayweather free reign to
say he's ducked me twice, and I'm not sure there will be another
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If Hatton has the offer from PBF NOW he has to take the fight NOW.
If Ricky fights someone else, that gives Mayweather free reign to
say he's ducked me twice, and I'm not sure there will be another
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:coolclick: #843 you filthy murdering sheep!

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If Hatton has the offer from PBF NOW he has to take the fight NOW.
If Ricky fights someone else, that gives Mayweather free reign to
say he's ducked me twice, and I'm not sure there will be another
chance.

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:coolclick: #843 you filthy murdering sheep!

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lol :coolclick: back

No question, Hatton is handpicked but as far as european boxing is concerned, big news on the making after the Taylor Calzaghe proposed fight. Hatton is a great fighter, spirited, lots of heart and courage, he's definitely in the Cotto, Mosley, Tony, Floyd's level and much above Witter, neither is he a bum nor a living legend but I do understand the great expectation England and Manchester is feeling at the moment... Furthermore, I do have Wayne's contact in another group and I believe he was tryin to advice him and not dismiss him... I think Big L, Roger and Floyd got away smartly from the experienced Mosley who could have unlocked the shell with blurring super-fast combos and also he avoided Tony who is a sickening body snatcher and would have given him trouble, both Cotto's and Ricky's styles are perfect, hand-made for Floyd, and Ricky fades fast into his opponents arms, doesn't know how to keep that intensity going inside like the Pocket Rocket used to and where he would have greater advantage but he loses momentum somehow and has to tie his opponent up and make the fights ugly, Floyd should hold him off with that left elbow and right uppercut the 5'6'' tall short-armed aggressor to death just like he did to Jesus Chavez...

yep granted Hatton cant really rufuse the fight now if terms are met, but i just think it this is the pot of gold at the end of his rainbow and it should be made maybe three fights on in his career.

If the fight comes off then good on him because hatton clearly wants this bad and my hat goes off to him.

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yep granted Hatton cant really rufuse the fight now if terms are met, but i just think it this is the pot of gold at the end of his rainbow and it should be made maybe three fights on in his career.

If the fight comes off then good on him because hatton clearly wants this bad and my hat goes off to him.

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Disagree, I think Hatton just wanted to get on with his career and to be recognized by the Media when he said that his 4 round fight was more entertaining than Floyd's last fights. Floyd took the opportunity to make smart money and to get away from Mosley and played the victim part ( like he's offended ah ah ah), so Ricky has to answer back to the challenge until November, grow into the welterweight division or to a catch-weight between 140 and 147 lbs "overnight" and I just don't believe he wanted it in this way...

this is another smart business decision from floyd. smart boxing viewers know hatton is over-rated and is very beatable esp with a slick fight like maywether. should be a easy enough win for mayweather to expose hatton and make another big payday.

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this is another smart business decision from floyd. smart boxing viewers know hatton is over-rated and is very beatable esp with a slick fight like maywether. should be a easy enough win for mayweather to expose hatton and make another big payday.

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Agreed PBF would likely win this one - but you are grossly underestimating Hatton - something tells me you haven't seen many of his fights :-\

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I dont understand were your coming from on the whole ducking Mosely thing ??? Floyd has been trying to fight Mosely forever and a day... Mosely refused. WHen asked after the Collazzo fight what he was doing, he said he wasnt sure because of a loose tooth :beat: and then the last press release Mosely said he was leaning toward retirement... I would like to see the link that you have to back up this claim. ;)

Let's just say for a minute that Castillo and Kostya Tszyu were shot.
Hatton did what he was supposed to do.
Floyd Mayweather's last 4 out of 5 opponents, were no spring chickens either. The other guy he fought was a mentally ill child who gave him a nice run for about 5 rounds.

Floyd in order to beat Hatton, he would have to run like Sugar Ray Leonard did against Duran II.
I don't see Floyd doing nothing but running in this fight.
This fight will turn out to be the biggest BOO fest in boxing history.
I would not be surprised if Ricky Hatton during the 8th. round just quit and walked out with all the rest of the fans who were getting ready to leave this snooze fest.
Floyd will not come to fight. He knows better.

Let's not encourage Pretty Boring Floyd to come back. He is a runner, not a fighter.

Floyd! Please stay retired!
When I begin to suffer from insomnia, then you can come back. Until then, stay out of the ring. I want to see fighters, not running men.

In closing.. I would rather watch hit and hold than hit and run.
;D

PS.
There will be so much BOOING in this fight that it will be an emberassment to the sport. The MMA sites will be laughing their sick little heads off and laughing at our so called greatest fighter of all times. Not to mention laughing at boxing fans every where.
As fans, we will have to go into hidding.
:'(

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Let's just say for a minute that Castillo and Kostya Tszyu were shot.
Hatton did what he was supposed to do.
Floyd Mayweather's last 4 out of 5 opponents, were no spring chickens either. The other guy he fought was a mentally ill child who gave him a nice run for about 5 rounds.

Floyd in order to beat Hatton, he would have to run like Sugar Ray Leonard did against Duran II.
I don't see Floyd doing nothing but running in this fight.
This fight will turn out to be the biggest BOO fest in boxing history.
I would not be surprised if Ricky Hatton during the 8th. round just quit and walked out with all the rest of the fans who were getting ready to leave this snooze fest.
Floyd will not come to fight. He knows better.

Let's not encourage Pretty Boring Floyd to come back. He is a runner, not a fighter.

Floyd! Please stay retired!
When I begin to suffer from insomnia, then you can come back. Until then, stay out of the ring. I want to see fighters, not running men.

In closing.. I would rather watch hit and hold than hit and run.
;D

PS.
There will be so much BOOING in this fight that it will be an emberassment to the sport. The MMA sites will be laughing their sick little heads off and laughing at our so called greatest fighter of all times. Not to mention laughing at boxing fans every where.
As fans, we will have to go into hidding.
:'(

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Geeze man, good to have you back... Didnt recognize you without all the Floyd hate ;) By the way Cotto did an great job picking the rest of what Floyd left on Judahs carcass :-X ;D

Hatton and Cotto are stylistically different.
Hatton is more of a "in spurts," "wrestler", "mauler" type fighter.
Recently.... Hatton's stamina has been scaring me lately.

You can have an off night, but your stamina never has an off night.
Hatton's legit, stylewise he'll give Cotto and Margarito exciting fights.
But he's not the same as them. Let me explain, I'm not trying to hate, I actually admire Hatton.
Tell me what you think?

I think people think you have to be more talented than Floyd to beat him.
Partially true, you just have to have the right talents that compliment a boxer's style like PBF.
Cutting off the ring the ring is essential.
Hatton doesn't depend on that, he tries to grab you to hold you, to know where you are, and try to unload harder and faster than you. This won't be as affective against boxers who just need a good pair of legs who can back off in time, as shown in the Collazo fight... Hatton ended up following Collazo instead of cutting off Collazo.

YES Hatton may have had an off night, but Collazo is his first and only fight with a man with good legs. When Hatton looked his best, both Kostya's and Castillo's hardly ever back off... both fighters never used the ring, other than Kostya but Kostya by then was more of a hard, very accurate hitter who aimed for the best shots possible from the outside and depended on the other guy to move backwards. Collazo was the first to back off from Hatton... and I didn't see a good answer from Ricky. Off nights your slower and off the mark, but you still have answers, you can still use your brains, think of another strategy.

You never follow a boxer, you just end up falling into traps, even if it's a weak trap, it doesn't look good, and it tends to make you frustrated... further falling into more traps and make more mistakes.
In the Collazo fight, I really didn't see an effective answer other than keep following.
And even if Hatton holds you, you keep real close so he can't hit you with effective punches and if possible sneak in a quick punch.

Cutting off the ring is essential to defeat a ring general, Joe Frazier is the prime example of cutting off.
It's the most effective way to find that mid-range that punchers are at their best. Floyd's made to order for a strong jab. We knew that when we saw how easily Oscar landed it, just recently the old man himself said so also. Hatton's jab is workable, but I don't think it has ever impressed me. It's a means to an end, meaning it's more for a distraction and range finder.

What do you guys think?

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yep granted Hatton cant really rufuse the fight now if terms are met, but i just think it this is the pot of gold at the end of his rainbow and it should be made maybe three fights on in his career.

If the fight comes off then good on him because hatton clearly wants this bad and my hat goes off to him.

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Disagree, I think Hatton just wanted to get on with his career and to be recognized by the Media when he said that his 4 round fight was more entertaining than Floyd's last fights.

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Hatton seems to think high punch output equates to exciting fight for all people. He must be a huge Tye Fields fan. There was no drama in the fight with Castillo, just a good showing by Ricky, something Floyd has shown his share of. So I don't really rate it an exciting outing. Floyd gave a rematch to the man that come close to beating him, Ricky said he'd love to fight Collazo again, but we see what happened with that. People are letting Ricky get away with saying stupid things but jump all over Floyd and pyschoanalyze what he is saying. Lets think about this Hatton dedicates the fight to Corrales and says Corrales was never in a dull fight, then says Floyd had less excitement in his career than in the preceding 4 rds. A bit of a contradiction there, and we know it was just one of the exciting fights Mayweather has been in.

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Let's just say for a minute that Castillo and Kostya Tszyu were shot.
Hatton did what he was supposed to do.
Floyd Mayweather's last 4 out of 5 opponents, were no spring chickens either. The other guy he fought was a mentally ill child who gave him a nice run for about 5 rounds.

Floyd in order to beat Hatton, he would have to run like Sugar Ray Leonard did against Duran II.
I don't see Floyd doing nothing but running in this fight.
This fight will turn out to be the biggest BOO fest in boxing history.
I would not be surprised if Ricky Hatton during the 8th. round just quit and walked out with all the rest of the fans who were getting ready to leave this snooze fest.
Floyd will not come to fight. He knows better.

Let's not encourage Pretty Boring Floyd to come back. He is a runner, not a fighter.

Floyd! Please stay retired!
When I begin to suffer from insomnia, then you can come back. Until then, stay out of the ring. I want to see fighters, not running men.

In closing.. I would rather watch hit and hold than hit and run.
;D

PS.
There will be so much BOOING in this fight that it will be an emberassment to the sport. The MMA sites will be laughing their sick little heads off and laughing at our so called greatest fighter of all times. Not to mention laughing at boxing fans every where.
As fans, we will have to go into hidding.
:'(

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Geeze man, good to have you back... Didnt recognize you without all the Floyd hate ;) By the way Cotto did an great job picking the rest of what Floyd left on Judahs carcass :-X ;D

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That was the real Judah who showed up against Cotto plus he even brought a heart with him in this fight. I could have done with out the theatrics of the first low blow and I am glad Cotto's camp caught onto the Judahs and gave him a real low blow so he would stop pretending.
People complain (silly people) saying Judah got hit in the d1ck or in the nuts. Not true.
NOTE: Not even the two dorks from boxing4real used the low blow excuse and they are huge Judah fans!
Judah was hit in the cup and a protected area. Teddy Atlas said last night, that the protector is like steel. You are protected by a cup, shock absorbing foam padding and leather. Why do you think no one and I do mean no one ever takes 5 minutes? If some one really got hit in the nuts, not even a week would cure the pain. Pedro Fernandez allowed some one to hit him low several times and he proved it did not hurt.
Johnny Knoxville let some one take a sledge hammer to the protected area several times also and he laughed.

I told you before and I will tell you again, Cotto can beat anyone who Floyd can not take out. Cotto not only beats them, he beats them in a greater fashion. Cotto brings the pain while Floyd only brings light rain. lol

people cried like babys when PBF hatton fight didn't happen before now the fights seems like more of a possibility then ever and people come up with some way to say that PBF is taking an easy fight.

tell me a top fighter that doesn't handpick his opponents

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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'

people cried like babys when PBF hatton fight didn't happen before now the fights seems like more of a possibility then ever and people come up with some way to say that PBF is taking an easy fight.

tell me a top fighter that doesn't handpick his opponents

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Hey man, Hatton is a good fight, but without sounding like a Hatton hater, I say that he's the easiest of Cotto, Margarito, and Mosley. Collazo made me change my tune, as I put elegantly above. I want people to answer my previous post. Debate the points I argued. I'm not a hater in this thread, I want to debate.

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Originally Posted by littlebif

The style is all wrong for him. Mayweather 10 rounds to 2 or by late stoppage on cuts.

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Hatton can cause problems if he can trap Floyd on the ropes with Hatton mauling PBF on the ropes he wont care where he hits him.Floyd doesnt like to be traped on ropes and Hatton will stick to him like glue.Not many fighters have managed to trap him tho but when they do he finds it hard.
[/quote]Mayweather is too good to be trapped. But the fight will help Hatton. Hatton will not be stopped by Mayweather so it can only help
Hatton. Mayweather surprises me to take on what he thinks is easier than Cotto or Margarito.

If we were to do divisions it would be as follows:

Mayweather---- Premier League
Hatton, Cotto, Mosley---- Championship
Margarito----Division 1

In the FA cup, lower league teams beat the top level sides, so nothing is beyond possible for any of these guys. Mayweather will always be a heavy favourite, but he is not unbeatable.

i think shane is the hardest then comes hatton and cotto with margarito (who :dontknow:) comming in last as the easiest.

shane is a proven fighter with fast hands and good boxing abiblty.
hatton is a tough strong fighter that likes to stay in you face and doesn't mind getting hit.
cotto is a decent boxer and a decent brawler but i don't see either style beat PBF. matter fact part of me still think PBF KO's cotto in 5rds.
margarito (who :dontknow:)

I've asked for a debate for some time... but I haven't heard any to my arguments.
I'm starting to guess few here know about boxing. ? Please prove me wrong. I want to hear your side. Not just say PBF is awesome. I want you to retort my thread and previous arguments.

I'm starting to think there are too many PBF fanboys here, same goes for Hatton fans...
Hey, I loved Morales, but I also predicted his loss to Pacquiao II and Barrera III. There's a fine line between being a fanboy and hardcore boxing fan. Note to fanboys, PBF ducked Margarito for a reason, called Shane a sparring partner for a reason, and hasn't fought Cotto for a reason too. This is turning into a PBF can beat Cotto, Margarito, Shane comfortably..... .... you guys are just wrong. I guarantee PBF won't prove it either.... not against Cotto or Margarito. (Maybe until one of them loses, he'll finally have something to say.)

everybody keeps saying PBF has trouble with the jab and that ODL was beating him with. yet if it was so effective why wasn't he able to stick with it. was it because like ODL said it wasn't the night of the Jab or was it because PBF hitting ODL in the face.

i do agree that PBF beats hatton fairly easily. my problem is that people were bitchin at PBF when this fight didn't happen before now all of a sudden people are realizing how easy PBF would beat Hatton and are saying PBF is taking an easy fight. i've always said that PBF outbox hatton. i used to be very anti hatton but i've come to like him and respect him as a fighter.

cotto on the other had boxes better than hatton. the thing with cotto is that he doesn't box well enough to outbox PBF. so if he boxes he'll get outboxed for 12rds and possible tkoed. if cotto tries to brawl he most likely be koed early. we've both seen cotto hurt by guys who were fast them him but seen by many not to be as strong or as hard a puncher. his win over judah definetly makes him a legit challege to PBF.

shane IMO is the biggest threat to PBF. his hand speed and ability to put his shots together could allow him keep PBF on the defense. at the same time PBF is dangerous when he on the ropes. plus shane can turn into a robot at times. shane had his chance to fight PBF but decline. then soon as his cash cow ODL say he fight shane then all of a sudden he wants to get in the mix. that some serious little kid shit.

i personly think margarito (who :dontknow:) is getting to much praise for beatin cintron (no clue :dontknow:). he has shown me nothing to warrent him being mention with the other guys.

When a boxer meets a puncher, sometimes the puncher will become frustrated due to his shots missing or being parried or countered etc. This will result in the puncher shortening his punches, attempting to ensure they land or land with optimium impact. However, this often results in the puncher neglecting to throw enough punches or combinations, or sometimes neglecting to throw a punch at all jab on May 5th last. Oscar threw the jab early and although it WAS the most successful of Oscar's armoury it was still landing below 50% and even when landing he was unable to follow up with 2-3 punches

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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'

shane IMO is the biggest threat to PBF. his hand speed and ability to put his shots together could allow him keep PBF on the defense. at the same time PBF is dangerous when he on the ropes. plus shane can turn into a robot at times. shane had his chance to fight PBF but decline. then soon as his cash cow ODL say he fight shane then all of a sudden he wants to get in the mix. that some serious little kid S***.

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Just 4 the record, "The Boxer" has told lies in his effort 2 make PBF look like he's in a lose-lose situation chosing opponents... I understand that Floyd's Team and Fan Club want to convince everybody else dat he had no other option but Light Welter Ricky Hatton, but dat is a whole lot of bull and it doesn't work... Shane told Floyd when the lil brat wanted him dat he needed time to adjust back to 147 lbs after two fights against 160 pounder Vargas and dat would take sum time and a tune-up fight ( the WBC interim Welter title shutout win against Louie Collazo), Tony Challenged PBF and awesome self Miguel's willing to fight everybody but then you sau Arum is in the way. If you guys want to prove otherwise, let me tell ya something: Floyd only wanted Shane to get to dat ODLH fight, since he got it anyway cause Oscar didn't duck him like he's doing to Mosley, Tony and Miguel, PBF just ignores Shane and everyone now - This is quite simple, PBF fights a light welter 4 the IBO title, PBF gets stripped of both WBC 147 and 154 lbs titles, Shane becomes the new WBC Welter Champ and fights Kermit, Miguel or/and Tony or Paul to determine who's the best at 147, nobody will care about PBF claim to have P 4 P status or "All Time Greatness"...

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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'

shane IMO is the biggest threat to PBF. his hand speed and ability to put his shots together could allow him keep PBF on the defense. at the same time PBF is dangerous when he on the ropes. plus shane can turn into a robot at times. shane had his chance to fight PBF but decline. then soon as his cash cow ODL say he fight shane then all of a sudden he wants to get in the mix. that some serious little kid S***.

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Just 4 the record, "The Boxer" has told lies in his effort 2 make PBF look like he's in a lose-lose situation chosing opponents... I understand that Floyd's Team and Fan Club want to convince everybody else dat he had no other option but Light Welter Ricky Hatton, but dat is a whole lot of bull and it doesn't work... Shane told Floyd when the lil brat wanted him dat he needed time to adjust back to 147 lbs after two fights against 160 pounder Vargas and dat would take sum time and a tune-up fight ( the WBC interim Welter title shutout win against Louie Collazo), Tony Challenged PBF and awesome self Miguel's willing to fight everybody but then you sau Arum is in the way. If you guys want to prove otherwise, let me tell ya something: Floyd only wanted Shane to get to dat ODLH fight, since he got it anyway cause Oscar didn't duck him like he's doing to Mosley, Tony and Miguel, PBF just ignores Shane and everyone now - This is quite simple, PBF fights a light welter 4 the IBO title, PBF gets stripped of both WBC 147 and 154 lbs titles, Shane becomes the new WBC Welter Champ and fights Kermit, Miguel or/and Tony or Paul to determine who's the best at 147, nobody will care about PBF claim to have P 4 P status or "All Time Greatness"...

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that's some good shit you stated and when i say "good shit" I mean great posting...i agree...i love PBF but when he starting dissing one of my other favs SHane mosley who has never ducked "anybody" I mean never...PBF said shane has been ducking him since 1998 really pissed me off and I want nothing more in boxing than for that fight to happen....and if it doesn't then shane can just simply kayo cotto, beat margarito or williams and i could care less if floyd ever fights him and it will prove that its been floyd all along that has been ducking shane

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Originally Posted by Dorfmeister

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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'

shane IMO is the biggest threat to PBF. his hand speed and ability to put his shots together could allow him keep PBF on the defense. at the same time PBF is dangerous when he on the ropes. plus shane can turn into a robot at times. shane had his chance to fight PBF but decline. then soon as his cash cow ODL say he fight shane then all of a sudden he wants to get in the mix. that some serious little kid S***.

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Just 4 the record, "The Boxer" has told lies in his effort 2 make PBF look like he's in a lose-lose situation chosing opponents... I understand that Floyd's Team and Fan Club want to convince everybody else dat he had no other option but Light Welter Ricky Hatton, but dat is a whole lot of bull and it doesn't work... Shane told Floyd when the lil brat wanted him dat he needed time to adjust back to 147 lbs after two fights against 160 pounder Vargas and dat would take sum time and a tune-up fight ( the WBC interim Welter title shutout win against Louie Collazo), Tony Challenged PBF and awesome self Miguel's willing to fight everybody but then you sau Arum is in the way. If you guys want to prove otherwise, let me tell ya something: Floyd only wanted Shane to get to dat ODLH fight, since he got it anyway cause Oscar didn't duck him like he's doing to Mosley, Tony and Miguel, PBF just ignores Shane and everyone now - This is quite simple, PBF fights a light welter 4 the IBO title, PBF gets stripped of both WBC 147 and 154 lbs titles, Shane becomes the new WBC Welter Champ and fights Kermit, Miguel or/and Tony or Paul to determine who's the best at 147, nobody will care about PBF claim to have P 4 P status or "All Time Greatness"...

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You call 'The Boxer" a liar and you havent made one factual statement yet.... you are merely speculating about Shane... Shane said that Floyd should fight Margarito, Shane said his tooth was loose, Shane recently said he was leaning toward retirement.. THOSE WERE FACTS!!!!!

Floyd just finished fighting Delahoya almost 2 months ago!!!!! Tell me something Einstein, who was the last fighter you knew of to just jump into an agreement to fight another guy that soon, especially one of FLoyds caliber???? Correct me if I'm wrong here but dosent Cotto have an agreement to fight Margarito depending on the outcome of the Williams fight??

Wake up man and stop the hate... The funny thing is Floyd is the closest thing to an alltime great (other than Mosely) than any of the fighters that you mentioned.... ::**

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Originally Posted by Dorfmeister

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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'

shane IMO is the biggest threat to PBF. his hand speed and ability to put his shots together could allow him keep PBF on the defense. at the same time PBF is dangerous when he on the ropes. plus shane can turn into a robot at times. shane had his chance to fight PBF but decline. then soon as his cash cow ODL say he fight shane then all of a sudden he wants to get in the mix. that some serious little kid S***.

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Just 4 the record, "The Boxer" has told lies in his effort 2 make PBF look like he's in a lose-lose situation chosing opponents... I understand that Floyd's Team and Fan Club want to convince everybody else dat he had no other option but Light Welter Ricky Hatton, but dat is a whole lot of bull and it doesn't work... Shane told Floyd when the lil brat wanted him dat he needed time to adjust back to 147 lbs after two fights against 160 pounder Vargas and dat would take sum time and a tune-up fight ( the WBC interim Welter title shutout win against Louie Collazo), Tony Challenged PBF and awesome self Miguel's willing to fight everybody but then you sau Arum is in the way. If you guys want to prove otherwise, let me tell ya something: Floyd only wanted Shane to get to dat ODLH fight, since he got it anyway cause Oscar didn't duck him like he's doing to Mosley, Tony and Miguel, PBF just ignores Shane and everyone now - This is quite simple, PBF fights a light welter 4 the IBO title, PBF gets stripped of both WBC 147 and 154 lbs titles, Shane becomes the new WBC Welter Champ and fights Kermit, Miguel or/and Tony or Paul to determine who's the best at 147, nobody will care about PBF claim to have P 4 P status or "All Time Greatness"...

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You call 'The Boxer" a liar and you havent made one factual statement yet.... you are merely speculating about Shane... Shane said that Floyd should fight Margarito, Shane said his tooth was loose, Shane recently said he was leaning toward retirement.. THOSE WERE FACTS!!!!!

Floyd just finished fighting Delahoya almost 2 months ago!!!!! Tell me something Einstein, who was the last fighter you knew of to just jump into an agreement to fight another guy that soon, especially one of FLoyds caliber???? Correct me if I'm wrong here but dosent Cotto have an agreement to fight Margarito depending on the outcome of the Williams fight??

Wake up man and stop the hate... The funny thing is Floyd is the closest thing to an alltime great (other than Mosely) than any of the fighters that you mentioned.... ::**

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in that same interview Shane also said that he'd already made plans prior to that fight to take a few trips with his family and he and floyd could fight later on that year...

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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'

everybody keeps saying PBF has trouble with the jab and that ODL was beating him with. yet if it was so effective why wasn't he able to stick with it. was it because like ODL said it wasn't the night of the Jab or was it because PBF hitting ODL in the face.

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Thank You Boxer :) cc ! :) The second half, I think Oscar just got tired, ;D as always, that old man. heheh. He just got tired of throwing jabs. He always gets tired, even when he was in his prime. I'm a fan of Oscars... well was, but even I have to admit, the man's stamina is not in question, it's without a doubt horrible for a professional. Oscar stopped the jab and everything, then Mayweather started landing. Thats what I think though.

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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'

i do agree that PBF beats hatton fairly easily. my problem is that people were bitchin at PBF when this fight didn't happen before now all of a sudden people are realizing how easy PBF would beat Hatton and are saying PBF is taking an easy fight. i've always said that PBF outbox hatton. i used to be very anti hatton but i've come to like him and respect him as a fighter.

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Sorry about that man. :)
I used to be on the Hatton boat, until I saw Collazo rip him another azzhole. heh
Hatton had no answers for a boxer who backpedaled when he wanted to, I mean no answers whatsoever.
Yes Kostya and Castillo wins were very impressive, but at the same time when is Hatton going to look good against a youngster.
Last I saw he looked good against a "youngan" who was good, it was Michael Stewart, back in 2004. IMO. But let me just finish with, Hatton's no bum, he wins, but he has been managed very well... meaning, he hasn't fought many slickers provided there are not many though. I think Hatton can fight and possibly beat Cotto in fight of the year . (modified the red words)

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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'

cotto on the other had boxes better than hatton. the thing with cotto is that he doesn't box well enough to outbox PBF. so if he boxes he'll get outboxed for 12rds and possible tkoed. if cotto tries to brawl he most likely be koed early. we've both seen cotto hurt by guys who were fast them him but seen by many not to be as strong or as hard a puncher. his win over judah definetly makes him a legit challege to PBF.

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Cotto won't brawl or box PBF, he'll be the same Cotto he's always been. He's as consistent as it gets. He's keeps up a pace, and systematically breaks the other guy down. He is chinny, but against Floyd who's naturally smaller and not known for his punch... Cotto won't get KO'd. Judah hit Cotto with is best shots and still couldn't finish. Cotto will connect, follow, and cut-off the ring,... it would make for a good fight because it would be a tough night for Floyd eventually.

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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'

shane IMO is the biggest threat to PBF. his hand speed and ability to put his shots together could allow him keep PBF on the defense. at the same time PBF is dangerous when he on the ropes. plus shane can turn into a robot at times. shane had his chance to fight PBF but decline. then soon as his cash cow ODL say he fight shane then all of a sudden he wants to get in the mix. that some serious little kid shit.

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Shane is bad@ss. 8) He's always given just about everybody a chance to fight him. Always honest. He has to know, personally that he doesn't have much time left... I think he's fought much harder recently.

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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'

i personly think margarito (who :dontknow:) is getting to much praise for beatin cintron (no clue :dontknow:). he has shown me nothing to warrent him being mention with the other guys.

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If he just beat Cintron, that wouldn't be impressive. What's impressive is that out of all the welterweights, he's beaten more, and really hasn't lost at this weight in around a decade ? ??? I don't know, it's pretty long. And during that time, he hasn't been taking on light competition, he has some unknown names that were real fights. He had to do it the hard way, fighting tough but unknown competition. Then after all that people still don't respect him much. Hopefully the results of Williams, or a Cotto fight... win or lose... will make fans realize this guy's dangerous presence. He's style is not pretty, it's not a beauty contest in there, it's the fight business and in this business, guys with will and determination always are a danger to any boxer, flashy, rich, smart, whoever it be.


Honestly, Thanks man, for answering. I think your the first to get what this thread is all about.
Answer back if you want to.

You call 'The Boxer" a liar and you havent made one factual statement yet.... you are merely speculating about Shane... Shane said that Floyd should fight Margarito, Shane said his tooth was loose, Shane recently said he was leaning toward retirement.. THOSE WERE FACTS!!!!!

Floyd just finished fighting Delahoya almost 2 months ago!!!!! Tell me something Einstein, who was the last fighter you knew of to just jump into an agreement to fight another guy that soon, especially one of FLoyds caliber???? Correct me if I'm wrong here but dosent Cotto have an agreement to fight Margarito depending on the outcome of the Williams fight??

Wake up man and stop the hate... The funny thing is Floyd is the closest thing to an alltime great (other than Mosely) than any of the fighters that you mentioned.... ::**
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Are you tryin to trick me with lil dog shit like Floyd's people do in da backstage or what? The funny thing is dat I like Floyd and think is a masterful boxer... Mosley fought Vargas who just had lost before to Tito ( 2000, 12th round TKO) and Hoya (2002, 11th round TKO) and the Aztec Warrior, Ferocious Fernando was 160 plus at fight night, Suga Shane finished him twice with TKO's ( 2006, 10th and 6th round TKOs), did you expect Shane do get down to 147 lbs just to please Floyd and not spend some moths with Jin and the 5 KIDS?... Floyd was showing luv & respect to Shane after the Vargas win and was applauding Hoya in front row as ODLH was outclassing Mayorga, now he should have faced Tony when the Mexican challenged him openly and Shane told him so but he didn't... Now, he got what he wanted and he's calling Shane a sparring partner ( cause he's hurt that Shane sparred with Hoya like the lil brat, unstable emotional 30 year old kid he is)... The facts are that when Shane faced Hoya he was 32-0, 30 KOs and he fought Hoya toe to toe in the middle of the ring, facts are that Shane is the WBC Welterweight Championship mandatory challenger and interim champion and if Floyd fights Hatton he'll lose that title and the 154 lbs title too, facts are that Shane knocked out all his lightweight challengers but S. A. 's Phillip Hollyday to win the IBF version back in 1997, facts are that Floyd won just 3 fights at 140 lbs ( including against one Henry Bruseles on the back pedal), 3 fights at 147 lbs ( including washed up Sharbma Mitchell and the horrible stinker against Baldomir & the baby cry fest afterwards) and 1 fight at 154 lbs. Do I need to say more, go fight the British Troll, fly, fly away...

Floyd was retired. I don't understand how you can "hand pick" an opponent that calls you out. ???