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Im looking to get into boxing, but if there isn't really a boxing gym available to me, what would be my closest bet to boxing? From what ive seen of some MA places they kinda seem like a lot of show and not a lot of real grimy fighting. I really would not want to go somewhere with 40 year old women and scream "ahhhhhyaaaaa" everytime I punch. Get my drift? Thanks.
Muay Thai, and I believe that Kenpo Karate is supposed to be more geared to actual combat, but ask TKDboy he'd know better
I really agree with van on this muay thai, kickboxing, and full contact katate is the closest you will come I don't think any of them can replace real boxing training for the hands. I actually go to a few different boxing gyms to train striking sepratly from my ground game. Just look for hanging heavy bags and a trainer that can give u one on one attention no big group classes.
Find a Boxing Gym. Avoid Martial Arts completely. Everything they teach is wrong. They are philosophically different; daimetrically opposed; totally incompatible.
is this just your baseless ingnorant inflammatory opinion or do you actually have a basis behind this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sequitorian
Interesting - I always thought boxing to be a very good example of a martial art.
:gay-as-steelie:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sequitorian
Not only will the study of Martial Arts ruin you as a boxer, the associated influences of Eastern Philosophy will ruin you as an individual.
Are you just coming on to give ignorant bigoted comments, or do you plan on backing up your posts? Ban this assholeQuote:
Originally Posted by Sequitorian
lmao!!!!
:lol: :lolhaha: :LMAO: :LOLATYOU: :rofmaoal: :pointlol:
What a blithering moron. Take your degradations and get lost. If you're going to post at least try to prove a point instead of trying (and failing) to sound intelligent.Quote:
Not only will the study of Martial Arts ruin you as a boxer, the associated influences of Eastern Philosophy will ruin you as an individual.
I saw that he came back earlier. I guess he has nothing else to say. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nate17
No, I’ve got plenty to say, plenty. I just don’t know if it’s worth my time saying it here. I’ve been waiting to see the responses; to see if anyone could understand, even a little bit, what I am saying, - and give me something substantial to reply to. But no, not yet anyway.
The closest was bcollins, but I suspect he’s being sarcastic (I apologize if you’re not, b). No, b, Boxing is not a good example of a martial art. It is, as I said, philosophically different and diametrically opposed to martial arts theory.
As to the rest of you, well, VanChilds and Nate17 are so threatened by the truth of my statements that they want me banned; and Von Milash and Chris N. are just cheap shot artists. Not unexpected. That’s what MMA teaches after all, isn’t it, cheap shots?
Where I come from everyone understood that, and that MMA is nothing more than dirty fighting.
First of all I've never understood why MMA haters come and post on the MMA thread...Your first or second post on the whole site was simply an ignorant inflammatory post...If you don't like MMA then dont post here. You wont be missed...If you read the original post; the guy doesn't have any boxing gyms near him but wants to train in an combat sport and wanted to know a MA that would be similar..No one is suggesting that Muay Thai/kick boxing/Kenpo makes you a better boxer, but these are disciplines that are more geared to actual fighting and less the Discipline/Spiritual etc....Your opinion of Eastern Philosophy ruining one as a person is simply racist and pretty much discredits you....say what you want about skill or preference of a discipline but these little guys are as tough as they come
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yPfukurJdw
Cheap Shots? Dirty Fighting? Its a sport bub..meant for entertainment, which is subjective..you dont like it dont watch it, but dont come one a MMA forum and be completely ignorant about
No apology necessary - but I was being quite serious. The driving ideology (not necessarily the philosophical perspective) behind just about any martial art is to improve your ability to impose your will on an opponent (offensively or defensively - same thing). Boxing exemplifies this! While many MA's are geared more for sport than actual combat, a lot of the techniques are quite easily adapted for more realistic scenarios. Boxing has at its foundations good solid fundamentals for ANY discipline - economy of movement, footwork, good defensive techniques, etc. All of these are fundamental concepts for any study of controlling a hand-to-hand combat situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sequitorian
MMA fighters may lack the apparent polish of many pro boxers, but then again, it's a radically different sport. That doesn't mean that there is no value to the various arts used - I'd have to respectfully disagree. Strenuously.
I am a real boxing fan but in a boxer-muay thai matchup i have to go with muay thai.
That doesn't mean that that punching technique is inferior though or boxing for that matter
The use of fists, legs, knees and elbows gives a more complete arsenal of offensive weapons in a fight.
And i can't for the live of me understand why eastern philosphy is bad for your fightingskills
What the fuck did I do, fuckstick? I was only laughing at the thread. So fuck you, cockbreath.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sequitorian
Lol, you're angry i can tellQuote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
See what I mean? We are becoming a nation of thugs and cheap shot artists. There was a time in America when there was a boxing club in every neighborhood; many High Schools had boxing teams and most fathers taught their sons the basics of boxing as a matter of course. Boxing was, one way or another, a part of the normal upbringing of every young man. The idea was not only that every man should be able to “Stand up for himself”, but that Boxing taught other things that were just as important; deeper things that had to do with character.
It was understood; as part of the American psyche, that the lessons learned in the ring applied to everyday life; that straight punches equated to straight talk; that a cheap shot or low blow was as unacceptable in the ring as it was in conversation, business, debate, or political commentary; that one could remain a gentleman and still knock someone out if he had it coming. It was simply how free men comported themselves in and out of the ring.
But by the time I was training in Oakland in the 80’s, that had all changed. There were (at one time when I counted), 76 martial arts studios and only two boxing clubs in Oakland (and that didn’t include dozens of other martial arts classes in schools and health clubs). America was changing – and not for the better. Something was being lost and that something is inextricably tied to the influences of Eastern Philosophy and the decline of Boxing, - and the lessons that Boxing brought out of the ring, into the street, and into American culture at large.
There are fundamental differences between The Western Tradition and Eastern Philosophy. In the West, personal freedom and human rights are core concepts; while in the “East”, personal freedom and individuality are not only discouraged, but denied, - and have been for millennia. These differences exhibit themselves in every aspect of life, but nowhere as much as how we treat our enemies (in peace and war), - or opponents (in the ring or out).
Ok Sequitorian, thats a post that I can respectfully disagree with. I don't know why boxing has had such a slide in America. I think the Alphabet Orgs with their proliferation of belts, BS mandatory defenses and shoddy rankings combined with very few good fights on free TV have turned off many American sports fans. This in turn has hurt boxing at its grass roots which is the neighborhood gyms and amateur program. MA has such a wide variety with something that can appeal to everyone. Every thing from "family friendly" TKD to hardcore Muay Thai. I'll agree to certain extent that there has been, for lack of a better term, a "pussification" of America. American parents don't really want to see their kids getting punched in the face. But I think its quite a leap in reasoning to suggest that the downturn of boxing and influx of other combat sports is a strong reason behind problems in America. I really can't comment on your beliefs about Eastern Philosophy. I just think its wrong. MMA does not appeal to alot of people especially old school boxing fans, but its top competitiors are typically world class atheletes that bring everything they got every night.
Well said. CCQuote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
I sort of see what Sequitorian is saying with the culture/boxing relationship, but I have to disagree with -
"Something was being lost and that something is inextricably tied to the influences of Eastern Philosophy and the decline of Boxing, - and the lessons that Boxing brought out of the ring, into the street, and into American culture at large."
I think that some of the cutural issues seep into society as a whole, and show up in unlikely places - like the ring - but I think blaming it on Eastern influences is stretching it a bit.
Jesus man grow up. I'm not even going to quote your long pointless rants comparing boxing to a 'decent upbringing' and MMA to thugs and all that idiocy. There are things wrong with this country but for you to blame it on MMA and Asia is just plain STUPID.
I served in the National Guard and covered Katrina, my brother is currently in the Marine Corps. We both grew up taking Karate classes, and both currently practice MMA. I love the US and have served my time and reading your crap is insulting. Our ideals have nothing to do with MMA nor boxing and neither do the ideals of our country. Things change and times change and you're just a racist thats so old fashioned you blame it on the lack of boxing gyms and Asia. I'll say it again. Grow up.
Was it just me, or could you also read from his post that the pussification of america is what brought the, as we call it, "McDojos" into America.
I can see where he's coming from, where boxing had historically been known as a gentleman's sport of sort. However, he makes the same old mistake of assuming that MMA is just thugs brawling in a cage. Children learning MMA today from a solid teacher are going to learn the same lessons they learn from boxing. There are things you just don't do in the ring (e.g. lowblows, purposely breaking a limb when you could have had the opponent tap, kicking downed opponents) that equate to the established rules in boxing (e.g. lowblows yet again, striking the back of the head) in teaching the same lessons outside the ring. The UFC in its infancy is not MMA today. With sanctioning bodies and instituted rules, MMA is, for all intents and purposes here, just an evolution of the boxing we all grew up to.
This guy seems to think the world revolves around him. Boxing must have been the center of his life and now the loser is reduced to parading his antics around the MMA forum world. We're about to have a woman contend for the presidency, and 35% of our countries leaders are foreign or women. That sounds nothing like Eastern influence to me.
His crap sounds like a bad Steven Seagal movie. Evil asian martial artists running around the country causing strife and pain for good ol fashioned americans. He sounds like a Klan member complaining about the black influence hurting white america. You make me sick Sequitorian.
woh woh woh...slow down with the woman president stuff ;D ....but seriously as a US service member please god no
haha yeah scary stuff. ??? I wonder if the vice pres. would take over when its her time of the month or if all men would suffer for that time rofl!
Hey guys here's a sneak peak at Sequitorian's true motive. Here's a guide to "Sequitorian" belief.
http://www.subjunctivism.com/
If you can manage to read the whole thing(its hard I know), you'll manage to find out that his 'philosophy' not only is racist against anything Asian, but also discredits most of the nations leaders and heros, including Albert Einstein, Walt Disney, Bruce Lee, Ralph Nader, and yes, Elvis Presley.
Apparently this hypocrite hates the “Champions of the Ignoscenti”, yet promotes boxing which fits right into Sequitorian hatred.
I could have a hay day mocking his beliefs but this isn't the place. Here's a tip Sequitorian. If you're going to talk belief go to a religion forum. Don't try to impose your fanatical views on a martial arts discussion board and throw it completely off topic. Go whine somewhere else.