My Top 100 Boxers of All-Time Pound for Pound

A while ago i posted my list of the top 50 fgihters ever which was met with mixed responses. Since then i have acquired more knowledge of past fighters and have decided to give it another crack. Here it is:

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Harry Greb
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Joe Louis
6. Willie Pep
7. Sam Langford
8. Benny Leonard
9. Roberto Duran
10. Sandy Saddler
11. Joe Gans
12. Ezzard Charles
13. Archie Moore
14. Sugar Ray Leonard
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Eder Jofre
17. Bob Fitzsimmons
18. Mickey Walker
19. Jack Johnson
20. Jack Dempsey
21. Pernell Whitaker
22. Barney Ross
23. Tony Canzoneri
24. Joe Walcott (Barbados)
25. Stanley Ketchal
26. Jimmy McLarnin
27. Charley Burley
28. Gene Tunney
29. Terry McGovern
30. Roy Jones
31. George Foreman
32. Larry Holmes
33. Ike Williams
34. Rocky Marciano
35. Alexis Arguello
36. Marcel Cerdan
37. Marvin Hagler
38. Carlos Monzon
39. Jose Napoles
40. Evander Holyfield
41. Jake LaMotta
42. Tommy Loughran
43. Billy Conn
44. Abe Atell
45. James J. Jeffries
46. Emile Griffith
47. Ruben Olivares
48. Pascual Perez
49. Aaron Pryor
50. Joe Frazier
51. Johnny Dundee
52. Kid McCoy
53. Ted ‘Kid’ Lewis
54. George Dixon
55. Thomas Hearns
56. Maxie Rosenbloom
57. Carlos Zarate
58. Ricardo Lopez
59. Battling Nelson
60. John L. Sullivan
61. Kid Gavilan
62. Willie Ritchie
63. Dick Tiger
64. Pancho Villa
65. Carmen Basilio
66. Packy McFarland
67. Sonny Liston
68. Floyd Patterson
69. Philadelphia Jack O’ Brien
70. James Corbett
71. Tony Zale
72. Bob Foster
73. Tiger Flowers
74. Tommy Ryan
75. Georges Carpentier
76. Bernard Hopkins
77. Joe Jeanette
78. Azumah Nelson
79. Mike McCallum
80. Carlos Ortiz
81. Freddie Welsh
82. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
83. Jimmy Barry
84. Salvador Sanchez
85. Jim Driscoll
86. Fighting Harada
87. Miguel Canto
88. Manuel Ortiz
89. Kid Chocolate
90. ‘Nonpareil’ Jack Dempsey
91. Bob Montgomery
92. Carlos Ortiz
93. Joe Brown
94. Khaosai Galaxy
95. Felix Trinidad
96. Eusebio Pedroza
97. Benny Lynch
98. Harold Johnson
99. Oscar De La Hoya
100. Mike Tyson

Please tell me of your opinions on my list

Azumah Nelson MUST be good. He's in there TWICE.

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Good list, tho.

Floyd Mayweather 82 thats abit in my opinion

Floyd Mayweather 82 thats abit high in my opinion

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Azumah Nelson MUST be good. He's in there TWICE.

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Good list, tho.

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Thanks for pointing that out i've changed it now

Have my doubts that Gentelman Jim should be that high on the list
He was an inovator to be sure,but two losses to Jeffries should push him down,not to mention the loss to Sharkey

For a while I argued with Taeth about older fighters, but in a way I kind of agree with him, I think we do place older fighters on a pedestal. A fighter actually gets better the longer they've been retired. For me, Mayweather, Hopkins, even De La Hoya who I can't stand, are way too low on the list. Mayweather, whether you like or him not, is a rare talent. You just can't convince me that Sonny Liston should be ranked ahead of guys like Mayweather and Hopkins. Not in a million years. But opinions are opinions, I couldn't even come up with a top 100 list if I tried so CC. Interesting list overall.

I think Mayweather should be top 20 he is 5 weight champ and has beaten every divisions number 1 aswell as other good fighters.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

For a while I argued with Taeth about older fighters, but in a way I kind of agree with him, I think we do place older fighters on a pedestal . A fighter actually gets better the longer they've been retired. For me, Mayweather, Hopkins, even De La Hoya who I can't stand, are way too low on the list. Mayweather, whether you like or him not, is a rare talent. You just can't convince me that Sonny Liston should be ranked ahead of guys like Mayweather and Hopkins. Not in a million years. But opinions are opinions, I couldn't even come up with a top 100 list if I tried so CC. Interesting list overall.

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CC.... totally agreed with what you said. We DO seem to place older fighters on a pedestal. I'd also like to add the following: I also agree that coming up with any kind of top 100 p4p list is no easy task. I know I couldn't do it. But I do think that all top p4p lists that I've seen tend to favor one nationality or region. I've yet to see a list that treats all parts of the world equally. If it's a British poster, the list is chock-full of British fighters. If he's from the U.S., same there. For once I'd like to see a list that treats all countries equally, for there has been incredible talent come out of other countries, as well.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

For a while I argued with Taeth about older fighters, but in a way I kind of agree with him, I think we do place older fighters on a pedestal . A fighter actually gets better the longer they've been retired. For me, Mayweather, Hopkins, even De La Hoya who I can't stand, are way too low on the list. Mayweather, whether you like or him not, is a rare talent. You just can't convince me that Sonny Liston should be ranked ahead of guys like Mayweather and Hopkins. Not in a million years. But opinions are opinions, I couldn't even come up with a top 100 list if I tried so CC. Interesting list overall.

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CC.... totally agreed with what you said. We DO seem to place older fighters on a pedestal. I'd also like to add the following: I also agree that coming up with any kind of top 100 p4p list is no easy task. I know I couldn't do it. But I do think that all top p4p lists that I've seen tend to favor one nationality or region. I've yet to see a list that treats all parts of the world equally. If it's a British poster, the list is chock-full of British fighters. If he's from the U.S., same there. For once I'd like to see a list that treats all countries equally, for there has been incredible talent come out of other countries, as well.

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if that is true, which nationality does my list favour ??

Your list fucking sucks. Where the fuck are Julio Cesar Chavez, Wilfredo Gomez, Terry Norris at? Erik Morales? Marco Antonio Barrera? Edwin Rosario?

Cool Click, Shaw

A top 100 is a daunting task for most of us and you deserve props for putting yours out there for all to see. Who can scoff at an effort that many (including myself) would never attempt?

You're list looks good to me.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Your list F****** sucks. Where the F*** are Julio Cesar Chavez, Wilfredo Gomez, Terry Norris at? Erik Morales? Marco Antonio Barrera? Edwin Rosario?

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Yeah, Chavez should be there.


Pay no mind to that Morales tirade, Shaw. Kid Diamond would be a better addition. hehe

Emile Griffith should be closed towards the top 20 not in the 30's.

Good list though. Hats off for making it ;D

Ok, here is my question to all you people who make these top p4p lists. How can you guys rank guys like Henry Armstrong, Sandy Saddler, Willie Pep, ect ect ect, SO HIGH when you may have seen only 2 or 3 of their fights (or, in many cases, none at all). What is the justification for having these guys so high? Do you rank them based on online and newspaper articles written about them? I don't understand it really...

This list is too biased to older fighters.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Ok, here is my question to all you people who make these top p4p lists. How can you guys rank guys like Henry Armstrong, Sandy Saddler, Willie Pep, ect ect ect, SO HIGH when you may have seen only 2 or 3 of their fights (or, in many cases, none at all). What is the justification for having these guys so high? Do you rank them based on online and newspaper articles written about them? I don't understand it really...

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That's a damn good question. Armstrong, Saddler and Pep are one thing. I want to know how many times the poster who made this list saw Eder Jofre, Joe Jeanette, George Dixon, Tommy Loughran and Jim Driscoll fight, that he's able to rank them?

A top 100 p4p list isn't an easy endeavour. I commend him making an attempt even if it isn't perfect.

I understand what you guys are saying about it being flawed, but we don't know what research he did or didn't do to formulate his list.

Is there footage of Ray Robinson's early fights floating around in cyberspace? If there is I haven't seen it. Still, I know he is quite possibly the greatest welter this world has known.

Knowledge was passed down from person to person long before pictures and film were available.

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

A top 100 p4p list isn't an easy endeavour. I commend him making an attempt even if it isn't perfect.

I understand what you guys are saying about it being flawed, but we don't know what research he did or didn't do to formulate his list.

Is there footage of Ray Robinson's early fights floating around in cyberspace? If there is I haven't seen it. Still, I know he is quite possibly the greatest welter this world has known.

Knowledge was passed down from person to person long before pictures and film were available.

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That is no excuse for leaving Julio Cesar Chavez out. His omission makes the list a joke.

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

A top 100 p4p list isn't an easy endeavour. I commend him making an attempt even if it isn't perfect.

I understand what you guys are saying about it being flawed, but we don't know what research he did or didn't do to formulate his list.

Is there footage of Ray Robinson's early fights floating around in cyberspace? If there is I haven't seen it. Still, I know he is quite possibly the greatest welter this world has known.

Knowledge was passed down from person to person long before pictures and film were available.

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That is no excuse for leaving Julio Cesar Chavez out. His omission makes the list a joke.

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You're on your own Shaw.

He probably just slipped his mind. Thats a lot of names to write down.... Duilio Loi should be high on the list though imo and I dont see his name otherwise Shaw deserves some credit. Nice work man.

I like Greb up there. I might have put him in a tie for first.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Ok, here is my question to all you people who make these top p4p lists. How can you guys rank guys like Henry Armstrong, Sandy Saddler, Willie Pep, ect ect ect, SO HIGH when you may have seen only 2 or 3 of their fights (or, in many cases, none at all). What is the justification for having these guys so high? Do you rank them based on online and newspaper articles written about them? I don't understand it really...

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I think that any man who can hold titles in three weight classes at the same time really needs no building up. Also I think that you look at the competition they beat.

I wasn't alive when Linclon was president but no one has to convince me he was a good one :-\

Props for even trying to make a top 100 list. One thing u might want to consider. Your list will never be the same as someone elses. It's going to be picked apart by alot of people (something that I'm sure that ur aware of since u made it a thread). Don't sweat it.

As for my observation. To be honest I quit reading after I saw Terry McGovern & Jimmy Wilde rated better than Rocky Marciano (obviously I disagree in a big way). I also saw where some others had posted that Chavez was not on the list. I absolutely beleive that he should be.

To be fair I am going to go back & read the rest. Hey, it's ur opininon & like I said--Props to u for taking time out to prepare a list in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Sugar_Shaw

A while ago i posted my list of the top 50 fgihters ever which was met with mixed responses. Since then i have acquired more knowledge of past fighters and have decided to give it another crack. Here it is:

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Harry Greb
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Joe Louis
6. Willie Pep
7. Sam Langford
8. Benny Leonard
9. Roberto Duran
10. Sandy Saddler
11. Joe Gans
12. Ezzard Charles
13. Archie Moore
14. Sugar Ray Leonard
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Eder Jofre
17. Bob Fitzsimmons
18. Mickey Walker
19. Jack Johnson
20. Jack Dempsey
21. Pernell Whitaker
22. Barney Ross
23. Tony Canzoneri
24. Joe Walcott (Barbados)
25. Stanley Ketchal
26. Jimmy McLarnin
27. Charley Burley
28. Gene Tunney
29. Terry McGovern
30. Roy Jones
31. George Foreman
32. Larry Holmes
33. Ike Williams
34. Rocky Marciano
35. Alexis Arguello
36. Marcel Cerdan
37. Marvin Hagler
38. Carlos Monzon
39. Jose Napoles
40. Evander Holyfield
41. Jake LaMotta
42. Tommy Loughran
43. Billy Conn
44. Abe Atell
45. James J. Jeffries
46. Emile Griffith
47. Ruben Olivares
48. Pascual Perez
49. Aaron Pryor
50. Joe Frazier
51. Johnny Dundee
52. Kid McCoy
53. Ted ‘Kid’ Lewis
54. George Dixon
55. Thomas Hearns
56. Maxie Rosenbloom
57. Carlos Zarate
58. Ricardo Lopez
59. Battling Nelson
60. John L. Sullivan
61. Kid Gavilan
62. Willie Ritchie
63. Dick Tiger
64. Pancho Villa
65. Carmen Basilio
66. Packy McFarland
67. Sonny Liston
68. Floyd Patterson
69. Philadelphia Jack O’ Brien
70. James Corbett
71. Tony Zale
72. Bob Foster
73. Tiger Flowers
74. Tommy Ryan
75. Georges Carpentier
76. Bernard Hopkins
77. Joe Jeanette
78. Azumah Nelson
79. Mike McCallum
80. Carlos Ortiz
81. Freddie Welsh
82. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
83. Jimmy Barry
84. Salvador Sanchez
85. Jim Driscoll
86. Fighting Harada
87. Miguel Canto
88. Manuel Ortiz
89. Kid Chocolate
90. ‘Nonpareil’ Jack Dempsey
91. Bob Montgomery
92. Carlos Ortiz
93. Joe Brown
94. Khaosai Galaxy
95. Felix Trinidad
96. Eusebio Pedroza
97. Benny Lynch
98. Harold Johnson
99. Oscar De La Hoya
100. Mike Tyson

Please tell me of your opinions on my list

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IMO #48 Pascual Perez has no business on the list. The Mike Tyson of his last few years may be easy to dismiss as a #100 but I beleive that he should be lower (better) because of his accomplishments/impact on history (youngest HW champ). Bob Foster is better than a #72. #83 Jimmy Barry ?

I am not gonna sit here & drive myself crazy re-arranging ur whole list in my head so there's just a couple of my opinions. The more I look at this list the more vexed I become.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Your list F****** sucks. Where the F*** are Julio Cesar Chavez, Wilfredo Gomez, Terry Norris at? Erik Morales? Marco Antonio Barrera? Edwin Rosario?

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And Kostya F****** Tszyu!

What the hell as long as we tossin all time great status around let's throw Buck Smith in aaattt, how bout #15. Yeah that sounds good, Buck Smith #15. ;)

Felix Trinidad higher than Oscar? C'mon

you are also missing James Toney who is probably one of the best fighters of this era

How the hell did Butterbean not make your list? Are you freakin' kidding me. That man is boxing. In fact, if it wasn't for Butterbean, people wouldn't be interested in boxing. The man is a boxing legend! ;D

JCC slipped my mind, apart from hgim i disagree with everything you have said

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Originally Posted by silent assassin

What the hell as long as we tossin all time great status around let's throw Buck Smith in aaattt, how bout #15. Yeah that sounds good, Buck Smith #15. ;)

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Pretty, pretty, pretty funny. ;D

carlos monzon at 38

i disagree

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Originally Posted by TYSONMAYWEATHER

I think Mayweather should be top 20 he is 5 weight champ and has beaten every divisions number 1 aswell as other good fighters.

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He has beaten every division's top fighter? Stop posting please. He beat the top 130 pounders and the top 135 pounders, he has beaten no top fighter of a particular division since then. He is top 40 IMO, but not top 20.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Ok, here is my question to all you people who make these top p4p lists. How can you guys rank guys like Henry Armstrong, Sandy Saddler, Willie Pep, ect ect ect, SO HIGH when you may have seen only 2 or 3 of their fights (or, in many cases, none at all). What is the justification for having these guys so high? Do you rank them based on online and newspaper articles written about them? I don't understand it really...

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They are ranked based on their resumes obviously, as should be the top criteria for rating fighters. Duh!

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Originally Posted by headson

carlos monzon at 38

i disagree

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Me as well, the list is pretty much shit. Monzon is top 10, arguably even top 10. AT least top 20.

Wilde too high
Dempsey too high
Hagler too low
Monzon too low
Griffith too low
Gavilan too low
Mayweather too low
Sanchez too low

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Originally Posted by Sugar_Shaw

A while ago i posted my list of the top 50 fgihters ever which was met with mixed responses. Since then i have acquired more knowledge of past fighters and have decided to give it another crack. Here it is:

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Harry Greb
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Joe Louis
6. Willie Pep
7. Sam Langford
8. Benny Leonard
9. Roberto Duran
10. Sandy Saddler
11. Joe Gans
12. Ezzard Charles
13. Archie Moore
14. Sugar Ray Leonard
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Eder Jofre
17. Bob Fitzsimmons
18. Mickey Walker
19. Jack Johnson
20. Jack Dempsey
21. Pernell Whitaker
22. Barney Ross
23. Tony Canzoneri
24. Joe Walcott (Barbados)
25. Stanley Ketchal
26. Jimmy McLarnin
27. Charley Burley
28. Gene Tunney
29. Terry McGovern
30. Roy Jones
31. George Foreman
32. Larry Holmes
33. Ike Williams
34. Rocky Marciano
35. Alexis Arguello
36. Marcel Cerdan
37. Marvin Hagler
38. Carlos Monzon
39. Jose Napoles
40. Evander Holyfield
41. Jake LaMotta
42. Tommy Loughran
43. Billy Conn
44. Abe Atell
45. James J. Jeffries
46. Emile Griffith
47. Ruben Olivares
48. Pascual Perez
49. Aaron Pryor
50. Joe Frazier
51. Johnny Dundee
52. Kid McCoy
53. Ted ‘Kid’ Lewis
54. George Dixon
55. Thomas Hearns
56. Maxie Rosenbloom
57. Carlos Zarate
58. Ricardo Lopez
59. Battling Nelson
60. John L. Sullivan
61. Kid Gavilan
62. Willie Ritchie
63. Dick Tiger
64. Pancho Villa
65. Carmen Basilio
66. Packy McFarland
67. Sonny Liston
68. Floyd Patterson
69. Philadelphia Jack O’ Brien
70. James Corbett
71. Tony Zale
72. Bob Foster
73. Tiger Flowers
74. Tommy Ryan
75. Georges Carpentier
76. Bernard Hopkins
77. Joe Jeanette
78. Azumah Nelson
79. Mike McCallum
80. Carlos Ortiz
81. Freddie Welsh
82. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
83. Jimmy Barry
84. Salvador Sanchez
85. Jim Driscoll
86. Fighting Harada
87. Miguel Canto
88. Manuel Ortiz
89. Kid Chocolate
90. ‘Nonpareil’ Jack Dempsey
91. Bob Montgomery
92. Carlos Ortiz
93. Joe Brown
94. Khaosai Galaxy
95. Felix Trinidad
96. Eusebio Pedroza
97. Benny Lynch
98. Harold Johnson
99. Oscar De La Hoya
100. Mike Tyson

Please tell me of your opinions on my list

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