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With a 4th round KO of Castillo and a win over Mayweather, Hatton will probably be Fighter of the Year 2007,2005....
He is a 140 lb. undisputed 2X IBF , WBA champ, at 147 WBA champ if he beats Mayweather 147 WBC as well and probably ring champ at 140 and 147...
PAC and R Marquez need to fight each other to seal the P4P#1 IMO...
IF Hatton wins, is he #1???
I'd have to give it to manny pac....it's a toss up in my opinion except when you look at who both fighters have fought and beaten in which case i'd have to give manny the edge...
Rafael Marquez is p4p #2. If Mayweather loses or retires, Marquez becomes number 1.
No,I still think overall,Marquez,Manny and the winner of the BHop-Winky fight will have accomplished more.Just because you defeat the reigning P4P number 1 does not automatically make you number 1,ask JT ;D
hhhmmm i've also been thinking about that question in reverse...does pbf get any credit for beating hatton....or will it be another cirumstance where he's supposed to....so people focus more on what floyd didn't do instead of the main thing. That he won again.
Hes gotta get consideration. Think about it Ricky is a great inside fighter if he can dismantle the p4p champ what does that say? There are some great fighters out there. Winky, Hop, Marq, Pacman etc but Ricky is scary when hes at his bestRicky v.s. is going to be explosive because Ricky is gunna make it that way then we will know where he stands.
this is a tricky one to answer imo...
now way do i see hatton being good enough to take the p4p slot ever so i have to say no...
I guess i would have to say if hatotn beat floyd then floyd was overrated, coz hatton's style is tailor made for sum1 like floyd, but truth is id bet my house floyd not just wins, but stops him.
can't believe im saying this but, im with VD Rafa goes number 1 if floyd losses, wont happen tho...
the question is would Hatton be #1 P4P if he won...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
Mayweather is already P4P #1.. i dont see your point.. of course he is suppose to win rather easy.. he is #1..
I voted yes. Right now Floyd is P4P #1 so on an even weight scale he should be able to beat anyone below him. If Hatton dethrones him then he should be #1. Now if Winky beat Floyd I wouldn't necessarily make him #1 because he possesses a natural weight advantage over Floyd therefore negating the whole P4P ideology. OK now I'm confusing myself gotta go. :headscratch:
like I said if Hatton wins he will probably be Fighter of the year again... thats 2 out of 3 years of having the best year in boxing... I think that is pretty big reason he should get the consideration over R Marquez and PAC...
I like R Marquez but he has never beat a P4Per...
Hatton will have beaten 3 current or past P4Pers if he beats Mayweather..
Hatton won't win so this debate is pointless.
People hold Floyd up on a pedestal so high that I think Hatton would def be #1 if he can knock him off
Hatton would have to beat Mayweather twice running to be p4p #1
floyd aside rafaf is the most comlete boxer in the world right now...
Its hard ot get a judge on mayweather because of his weight jumping..
but rafa can go toe-to-toe, box, good speed, good accuracy, good footwork, chin aint that bad i dont think - his is the complete package right now and is one more big name away form world recognision IMO... before u bite my head of VD he isnt that big outside of the us, and juging by his last fight turn out (totaly amazed me) not reall that big in the us either...
whislt welter is a bit out of his depth hatton showed agasint a pure boxer he is seriously lacking, and make no mistake about it, the only thing he learnt from the collazo fight was to punch and hold and thats not in the rules... whilst hatton will no doubt be back in the p4p list for the castillo win, i am yet to see how he fairs off against a boxer like malanagi, mayweather, mosley, rematch with collazo or even judah...
My verdict is still out on pac as well, whislt is he very exciting, whens the last time he fought a boxer at his natural weight who wasnt shot? last time he done that morales beat him... in fairness to pac now the only real one out there would be JMM and that i would hope is made after barrera...
as of yet hattons has beaten one p4per, tszyu.. castillo was on noones p4p list coming into that fight!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire
Isreal vasquez may not of been top 10 p4p but he was damn close to it imo... dont forget as well, rafa has been the undisputed champ at 2 weights, winning at the second weight convincingly - whislt hatton beat tszyu (great!) beat mausa then moved up a weight to win by the skin of his teath only to vacate and move back down to fight another chump...
Rafa is giving Isreal another crack at his old belt,whislt he may of stopped him once thats not telling that he will again, it was close on all ards at the time vaquez coldn't go on and rafa had been put on his ass... a broken nose can real scew up any fight - (see barrera jurez I then watch II)
I saw the question in the poll and answered it and just threw a little side thought into it...sorry if more than one question at a time confuses the thread wasn't my intention...my point is floyd seems to be pfp best as a reluctant choice by many not cause people are giving him credit for the job he does in the ring......it's always if this would've happend or that would've happened he would've lost etc....not that he is clearly the best pfp so it seems strange to me that if hatton wins we consider him automaticly pfp best...oops i'm doing it again sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire
No. He'd be jumping too many spots on the list, and leapfrogging too many fighters that are probably more deserving of the p4p title. Just MO, of course.
No, because Marquez might jump into #1 if he beats Vasquez in the rematch, if he losses then yes Hatton could be p4p.
I really don't see why beating Vasquez again would put him any higher than he is already. Vasquez ain't even in the top 20 p4p.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
It's like saying Pacman definitely goes to number 1 if he beats Morales for a third time.
Hatton cant beat Mayweather. But Florida did beat OhioState in the football national title.
Marquez beat Mark Johnson who was 40-1 and considered a p4p fighter by Ring magazine. He beat Tim Austin who undefeated and regarded as the best Bantamweight at the time. He beat Isreal Vazquez who was Ring magazine Junior Featherweight champion (and had been on a hell of a roll). Marquez knocked out Johnson, Austin, Silence Mabuza, Heriberto Ruiz and Mauricio Pastrana (2 division champion). Fighters who had long careers (except Mabuza) and never been stopped before until they ran into Marquez. Marquez is the p4p number 1 in waiting.
I think Hatton would be a much larger underdog than Florida was. That game was such easy money I couldn't believe Florida was the dog. I think in this analogy FMJ represents Florida fast, athletic, flashy and Hatton resembles Ohio State they like to rough you up on the inside and wear you down.Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314
I think it takes more then just beating the P4P #1 one fight to make you #1. Though it does make him closer to the top.
I know I was warned about this when I first started posting on here but.
Hatton needs to be careful on what he says about Mayweather. There is a difference between trying to lure a man out to fight you and just plain old Pi**ing him off.
That seems to be what Hatton is doing to Mayweather by insulting him. I know Ricky is just trying to secure a fight but.
Last thing you want is a man like Floyd Mayweather looking for you with the intentions of hurting you.
Kind of like the Great White Hype. Terry Conklin was doing just fine until James Roper thought Terry was trying to embaress him.
I know it was just a movie but it was the best example I could come up with at the moment :-\
Hatton's never been undisputed junior welter weight champion, you need to have all the belts to be undisputed, he's never done that, he WAS the unified champion when he had the IBF/WBA titles, but never undisputed, Judah WAS the undisputed welterweight champion cause he had the WBC/IBF/WBA, as do all undisputed champions, same goes for Lewis, he never was undisputed heavyweight championQuote:
Originally Posted by Fire
yes i think hatton would have to be # 1
Is Hatton #1 P4P if he beats Mayweather???
The answer is NO.
If Hatton beats Gatti, Baldomir, Judah, ODLH and PBF ... he still wouldn't be no.1 p4p.
Hatton would be no.1 p4p best if he beats P.Williams, Margarito, Mosley, Cotto, and prospect Andre Berto.
IF Hatton beats Mayweather (that's a big IF by the way) then there's a big argument he's p4p #1, that's the 3rd guy he'll have beaten who has been top or top 5 in the list (Tszyu and Castillo). The only other fighters in contention are Winky and Pac, I think Winky is ahead or Pacman at the minute. Rafael Marquez is shit hot but still hasn't got the big name on his record. Vazquez is good but he's not elite, neither is Mabuza. I think Marquez The talents there though in spades, not hard to see why he's up there. Winky has the names and the pedigree though and so does Manny. Luckily Rafael is in a STACKED division at the minute, Ponce De leon, Caballero, Molitor and up and coming Bernard Dunne, there's some incredible fights to be made, and then there's 126 as well, exciting times as always in the lighter weights.
Mark Johnson was 40-1 and still in his prime when Marquez beat him. Tim Austin was also undefeated and considered the best Bantamweight at that time. Isreal Vazquez is currently in his prime. Marquez beat him. Mauricio Pastrana was not in his prime when Marquez beat him. But he was a 2 division champion who had never been stopped until he faced Marquez. Hatton beat big names in Tszyu and Castillo. But it is quite clear neither was no longer in his prime. Both also had stretches of inactivity before they faced Hatton. Marquez is the # 1 p4p in waiting. I might consider Pac if he again destroys Barrera.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Big' Dan McCarthy
it depends how he beats him as well
Hatton and Mayweather, both are great players inside the ring. If people are going to decide the best among them then it will be too difficult. Only a fight can decide the result. It will be a fight of skill and raw power. ???
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i said current or past p4pers... he has fought just as hard competition if he fights and beats Mayweather... that will make 3 present or past p4pers that hatton has fought ...to zero p4pers for R. Marquez, and like i said fighter of the year twice if hatton wins this fight... R. Marquez zero Fighter of the years...Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
i like R. Marquez and think he might be justifiably #1 p4p even if hatton wins... but i think its close....
In all fairness fighting a shot former pound for pound guy as in Castillo doesnt count for much. Would Kessler go up the P4P rankings if he beat Roy Jones now? No. Would JMM go further up the rankings if he beat Morales now? No. So should Hatton go further up the P4P rankings for beating Castillo? No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire
castillo was rated #1 by the wbc and #1 by ring going into the fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
the qeustion was hatton be #1 if he beat mayweather.. and beating #1 p4p king and #1 contender in your divison means another fighter of the year.... which R. marquez doesnt have 1...
this whole thread is based on IF HATTON BEATS MAYWEATHER... not on current standings..
reluctant choice??? by most knowledgeable boxing fans mayweather is by far the P4P #1 so beating him if you are already a p4p top 10 and you are the guy moving up in weight. i think that should give hatton a good edge on p4p #1....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
IMO i think Matweather is clearly #1 if hatton or cotto were to beat him i think they should have the inside edge on p4p#1..
will he have beaten every fighter placed in front of him?...... Yes
will have defeated the reigning P4P No1?....Yes
Has he beaten other P4P fighters?....Yes
It's a pretty convincing case tbh.
What people are forgetting is that you do not have to be the most technically gifted fighter to get the number one spot. You just have to be able to beat everybody in your weight class and for that weight class to be regarded as full of brilliance.
also, Hatton would be fighting above his naturally best weight, which gives him an even bigger shout for the number one spot if he wins.
So Hatton's weight class is "full of brilliance"(140) ??? he has yet to fight some of the better WW at 147. And he would be fighting one weight class above his natural weight. Manny Pacquiao started about 3-4 divisions below where he is now,Floyd 5 weights etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by hackey100
I just don't believe wins over Mayweather,JLC and Tszyu would make him pound for pound number one.
JT has beaten B Hop twice when he was P4P number 1 and drawn with Winky.
Bernard has 20 plus title defences and beat Tarver and may beat Winky.
Winky beat Tito,Shane twice.
Rafa Marquez has beaten more RING top 10 than all of them and is a multiple weight champ.
All these names mentioned would still be just as impressive if not more so than Hatton IF he were to beat Floyd.
I was disappointed not to see a "It's never going to happen" option on the vote, but in the end I voted no. The p4p #1 slot is not a belt that is transferred upon victory. If Hatton were to win, it would probably propel him into the top 10, but ultimately there would still be fighters around the p4p top 10 who would have done more than him to be in there, and in my mind would warrant to be above him.
Hatton has struggled in a few fights of late, especially when he fought at 147, whilst Floyd has never really been given a workout of that magnitude in trying to hang on to his '0', and he's moved up a number more divisions than Ricky.
????? name them!!!! R. Marquez has good victories over good opponents but has never ko a p4per and hasnt been in the ring with more p4pers than any of the above...Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
If hatton KO's Mayweather then that would make 3 P4P's past or current that he has ko'd........
Taylor hasnt ko'd any of his less threatening, smaller opponents the big wins over B-hop and all three bouts against Winky and b-hop was disputed....Hattons big wins Kostya, JLC was dominate KOs, and ko'd champ maussa in a unfication bout...
Benard-hop LOST TWO DISPUTED MATCHES RECENTLY... i like b-hop but you cant lose twice recently and still havent avenged the loss and have a claim at #1 p4p even if they were disputed... taylor won the second pretty easy IMO ..
none of the fighters you mentioned are undefeated.... like floyd and hatton
R. marquez could easily be #1 but winky, taylor, and hopkins are all about equal, none of them are clearly better than each other which in my view hurts them greatly.. i'm not sure they are better than kessler and calzaghe...
but pac, marquez, and hatton are clearly better than anyone in there divisions and would all have a good claim to #1, if hatton beats mayweather IMO..
hatton is ring #8 right now so how would a victory propel him to where he already is???Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
mayweather struggled against castillo trying to hang on to his 'o'
it seems like you have alot of respect for mayweather...a hatton win over him wouldnt warrent atleast a concideration for #1 for hatton..