JUDAH TO FIGHT IN SEPTEMBER
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Paul Williams will be looking to rebuild but September may be too soon.
What are the odds for Judah vs Williams in December though :detective:
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if williams gets KTFO by margarito he probably will want none of judah, if he gets a close decision loss then maybe he will want judah, and judah will fight anyone, especially a guy who is ranked as high as williams would be at that point
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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
if williams gets KTFO by margarito he probably will want none of judah, if he gets a close decision loss then maybe he will want judah, and judah will fight anyone, especially a guy who is ranked as high as williams would be at that point
One think I'll say about Judah, he's never been one to dodge the big fights.
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judah v tszyu II
will happen.
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Tszyu will never fight again, why would he comeback to fight a guy who hasn't won a fight in over two years and who he knocked out in two rounds in his previous fight with him?
If Tszyu did comeback it would be against a bigger fish than Zab Judah.
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I doubt Kostya will return to the ring, but if he did, I'm not sure that starting with Judah would be so out of the question. It would not be the easiest of warm-up fights for Tzyu, and I don't think it would be a given that Judah would lose to him.
Tzyu was always one of my favorite boxers - next to Hopkins - but I'm not sure there is any point in a serious return to boxing for him now. If he were to return, however, I'd like to see him fight Judah. It would probably be a far different fight than the first time out. Would be interesting. I know Zab would welcome it. I think Tzyu has too little respect for Judah to fight him again, though.
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if williams gets KTFO by margarito he probably will want none of judah, if he gets a close decision loss then maybe he will want judah, and judah will fight anyone, especially a guy who is ranked as high as williams would be at that point
One think I'll say about Judah, he's never been one to dodge the big fights.
He's never been one to win them either
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Make no mistake Judah is a threat to anyone out there. He has all the tools. It seems as though he has a tendancy to unravel mentally & that's usually his downfall IMO. But all it takes is one night that he shows up & keeps it together & he will deal most guys in the world a beating.
I like Zab as a fighter & I do hope that he can get another big name fight & fulfill his potential. Even if it's only 1 fight.
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Make no mistake Judah is a threat to anyone out there.
Eh, not really. Definitely not to the truly elite guys.
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Is it premature to say that Judah could be used by others to showcase their skills? I'd like to see guys like Berot,Julio fight him at some point. However,I think Judah will have a tune up and fight Cintron for the IBF title.Or he will fight the loser of Tony PW. I'd favour both Cintron and Williams over him. Too big,too strong.
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Make no mistake Judah is a threat to anyone out there.
Eh, not really. Definitely not to the truly elite guys.
Let's see. Judah........
1. Got careless and got KO'd by Tszyu, after totally dominating the first round.
2. Lost to a hard-fighting Baldomir who Judah TOTALLY underestimated and fought one of the worst fights of his career.
3. Lost to PBF (the # 1 p4p in the world) by decision, after taking it to him early in the fight.
4. Lost a war to Cotto, an up-and-coming, undefeated WW star.
In my book, Judah is still a threat to any WW out there today.
And mind you, I'm not a Judah fan.
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Make no mistake Judah is a threat to anyone out there.
Eh, not really. Definitely not to the truly elite guys.
Let's see. Judah........
1. Got careless and got KO'd by Tszyu, after totally dominating the first round.
2. Lost to a hard-fighting Baldomir who Judah TOTALLY underestimated and fought one of the worst fights of his career.
3. Lost to PBF (the # 1 p4p in the world) by decision, after taking it to him early in the fight.
4. Lost a war to Cotto, an up-and-coming, undefeated WW star.
In my book, Judah is still a threat to any WW out there today.
And mind you, I'm not a Judah fan.
All losses though.
The Tsyzu fight he did well in the first round and then absolutely nothing the second round, got KO'd at the end.
Any truly elite fighter should have no real problem with Baldo IMO. Maybe I underrate him but he's just not that good to me.
Yes he did do pretty well early against PBF but as usual faded as the fight went on. One thing if you watch enough fights with Judah he almost always fades, at least to some extent. The one fight he didn't was against Cory Spinks, a better fighter than Judah IMO but a perfect matchup, a guy with absolutely no power and a guy that Judah could take the fight too.
I didn't find the Cotto fight to be nearly as close as most people did. I thought it was pretty much a beatdown after the first round or two.
Judah is what he is. A good puncher, although not as good as some make him out to be, and great speed. Great athlete, but his technical skills are way overrated, anybody with that much athletic ability should be MUCH harder to hit. He's not good against pressure fighters at all which is odd considering the tools and style that he has. Also mental problems are a problem, there not just something that's going to go away.
Is he going to get any better? Not likely, he's a guy that if matched right can look great. He always looks good early, then fades, its just what he does. I guess he's a threat in the sense that he can punch but that hasn't been enough against the top guys. And I don't see any reason to think it will be different in the future.
I've always though he was overrated, and I think he continues to be overrated even after its become clear he's a step below the top guys, which is confusing to me. I gained more respect for him after the Cotto fight but just don't think he's an elite fighter.
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Paul Williams will be looking to rebuild but September may be too soon.
What are the odds for Judah vs Williams in December though :detective:
These guys sure fight more after they lose. Almost as though losing makes it so that if they fight alot more they will have less to lose when and if they lose again. He should take a break after the Cotto fight.
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Is it premature to say that Judah could be used by others to showcase their skills? I'd like to see guys like Berot,Julio fight him at some point. However,I think Judah will have a tune up and fight Cintron for the IBF title.Or he will fight the loser of Tony PW. I'd favour both Cintron and Williams over him. Too big,too strong.
its just wrong to say something as horrible as julio being able to beat him
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Is it premature to say that Judah could be used by others to showcase their skills? I'd like to see guys like Berot,Julio fight him at some point. However,I think Judah will have a tune up and fight Cintron for the IBF title.Or he will fight the loser of Tony PW. I'd favour both Cintron and Williams over him. Too big,too strong.
its just wrong to say something as horrible as julio being able to beat him
;D
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Make no mistake Judah is a threat to anyone out there.
Eh, not really. Definitely not to the truly elite guys.
Let's see. Judah........
1. Got careless and got KO'd by Tszyu, after totally dominating the first round.
2. Lost to a hard-fighting Baldomir who Judah TOTALLY underestimated and fought one of the worst fights of his career.
3. Lost to PBF (the # 1 p4p in the world) by decision, after taking it to him early in the fight.
4. Lost a war to Cotto, an up-and-coming, undefeated WW star.
In my book, Judah is still a threat to any WW out there today.
And mind you, I'm not a Judah fan.
All losses though.
The Tsyzu fight he did well in the first round and then absolutely nothing the second round, got KO'd at the end.
Any truly elite fighter should have no real problem with Baldo IMO. Maybe I underrate him but he's just not that good to me.
Yes he did do pretty well early against PBF but as usual faded as the fight went on. One thing if you watch enough fights with Judah he almost always fades, at least to some extent. The one fight he didn't was against Cory Spinks, a better fighter than Judah IMO but a perfect matchup, a guy with absolutely no power and a guy that Judah could take the fight too.
I didn't find the Cotto fight to be nearly as close as most people did. I thought it was pretty much a beatdown after the first round or two.
Judah is what he is. A good puncher, although not as good as some make him out to be, and great speed. Great athlete, but his technical skills are way overrated, anybody with that much athletic ability should be MUCH harder to hit. He's not good against pressure fighters at all which is odd considering the tools and style that he has. Also mental problems are a problem, there not just something that's going to go away.
Is he going to get any better? Not likely, he's a guy that if matched right can look great. He always looks good early, then fades, its just what he does. I guess he's a threat in the sense that he can punch but that hasn't been enough against the top guys. And I don't see any reason to think it will be different in the future.
I've always though he was overrated, and I think he continues to be overrated even after its become clear he's a step below the top guys, which is confusing to me. I gained more respect for him after the Cotto fight but just don't think he's an elite fighter.
On the Tszyu fight: Again, he got careless. Judah came into the fight undefeated and full of self-confidence. He handled Tszyu so easily in the first round, he lost focus and..... BAM!! He got bounced off the canvas.
Baldomir is definitely the hardest fight to defend. All I can say there is that Judah GROSSLY underestimated Baldomir's will to win and did not come prepared. Shouldn't happen to elite fighters, but it happened to Judah. Remember, his mental focus hasn't always been his strong point.
On PBF... did you see the way he was getting off on Floyd early in the fight? How many other fighters have been able to do that? That Floyd adapted and began to solve Judah later in the fight? Yes....... but we ARE talking about the world's top p4p.
Against Cotto, Judah came to win. He showed focus, he showed heart. He tagged Cotto early and hard. But that's my whole point. This is where Cotto showed himself to be the elite 147-pounder that many people didn't want to admit he is.
Just because Cotto gave Judah a world-class beatdown doesn't all of a sudden make Judah a bum.
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Make no mistake Judah is a threat to anyone out there.
Eh, not really. Definitely not to the truly elite guys.
Let's see. Judah........
1. Got careless and got KO'd by Tszyu, after totally dominating the first round.
2. Lost to a hard-fighting Baldomir who Judah TOTALLY underestimated and fought one of the worst fights of his career.
3. Lost to PBF (the # 1 p4p in the world) by decision, after taking it to him early in the fight.
4. Lost a war to Cotto, an up-and-coming, undefeated WW star.
In my book, Judah is still a threat to any WW out there today.
And mind you, I'm not a Judah fan.
All losses though.
The Tsyzu fight he did well in the first round and then absolutely nothing the second round, got KO'd at the end.
Any truly elite fighter should have no real problem with Baldo IMO. Maybe I underrate him but he's just not that good to me.
Yes he did do pretty well early against PBF but as usual faded as the fight went on. One thing if you watch enough fights with Judah he almost always fades, at least to some extent. The one fight he didn't was against Cory Spinks, a better fighter than Judah IMO but a perfect matchup, a guy with absolutely no power and a guy that Judah could take the fight too.
I didn't find the Cotto fight to be nearly as close as most people did. I thought it was pretty much a beatdown after the first round or two.
Judah is what he is. A good puncher, although not as good as some make him out to be, and great speed. Great athlete, but his technical skills are way overrated, anybody with that much athletic ability should be MUCH harder to hit. He's not good against pressure fighters at all which is odd considering the tools and style that he has. Also mental problems are a problem, there not just something that's going to go away.
Is he going to get any better? Not likely, he's a guy that if matched right can look great. He always looks good early, then fades, its just what he does. I guess he's a threat in the sense that he can punch but that hasn't been enough against the top guys. And I don't see any reason to think it will be different in the future.
I've always though he was overrated, and I think he continues to be overrated even after its become clear he's a step below the top guys, which is confusing to me. I gained more respect for him after the Cotto fight but just don't think he's an elite fighter.
On the Tszyu fight: Again, he got careless. Judah came into the fight undefeated and full of self-confidence. He handled Tszyu so easily in the first round, he lost focus and..... BAM!! He got bounced off the canvas.
Baldomir is definitely the hardest fight to defend. All I can say there is that Judah GROSSLY underestimated Baldomir's will to win and did not come prepared. Shouldn't happen to elite fighters, but it happened to Judah. Remember, his mental focus hasn't always been his strong point.
On PBF... did you see the way he was getting off on Floyd early in the fight? How many other fighters have been able to do that? That Floyd adapted and began to solve Judah later in the fight? Yes....... but we ARE talking about the world's top p4p.
Against Cotto, Judah came to win. He showed focus, he showed heart. He tagged Cotto early and hard. But that's my whole point. This is where Cotto showed himself to be the elite 147-pounder that many people didn't want to admit he is.
Just because Cotto gave Judah a world-class beatdown doesn't all of a sudden make Judah a bum.
I guess we'll just have to disagree. I don't by any means think Judah all of a sudden became a bum. First he's not a bum, second I've always thought he was overrated. Not trying to take anything away from Cotto's win, he beat Judah up worse than anybody.
I just don't see the argument about the KT fight. That he did very well in the first round doesn't mean much to me. Kostya QUICKLY adjusted and to me the KO punch didn't come out of nowhere, Judah did nothing that round, very tentative.
I give him credit for doing well in the early rounds against Floyd but again, to me, its a bit of a microcosm of his whole career. He always looks good early, but its almost never enough. He pretty much always fades. Plus I think it was a bit of a style thing, Floyd would rather sit back and counter which he wasn't able to do cause of Judah's style and also adjusting to not being by far the faster guy. But great fighters like Floyd make adjustments, they don't fade, they don't go into a shell like Judah does.
Not trying to take away from Cotto's win. A win over Judah is still a good win, but I don't see Judah as a true threat to the elite. Not talking about other guys, like Sal said, he'd beat Joel Julio. ;D I don't even hate Judah anymore, I use too, but I've always thought people overrated him and I still do.
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Tszyu will never fight again, why would he comeback to fight a guy who hasn't won a fight in over two years and who he knocked out in two rounds in his previous fight with him?
If Tszyu did comeback it would be against a bigger fish than Zab Judah.
in boxing theres a litlle thing called tune up fight i dont if youve heard, its been around for quite a while, now judah is a tough tune up but he is for tzu because of all the reasons u mentioned
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Make no mistake Judah is a threat to anyone out there.
Eh, not really. Definitely not to the truly elite guys.
Let's see. Judah........
1. Got careless and got KO'd by Tszyu, after totally dominating the first round.
2. Lost to a hard-fighting Baldomir who Judah TOTALLY underestimated and fought one of the worst fights of his career.
3. Lost to PBF (the # 1 p4p in the world) by decision, after taking it to him early in the fight.
4. Lost a war to Cotto, an up-and-coming, undefeated WW star.
In my book, Judah is still a threat to any WW out there today.
And mind you, I'm not a Judah fan.
:coolclick: U understand the point that I was making. IMO some people turn a blind eye to the talent of Zab.
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Originally Posted by silent assassin
Make no mistake Judah is a threat to anyone out there.
Eh, not really. Definitely not to the truly elite guys.
Let's see. Judah........
1. Got careless and got KO'd by Tszyu, after totally dominating the first round.
2. Lost to a hard-fighting Baldomir who Judah TOTALLY underestimated and fought one of the worst fights of his career.
3. Lost to PBF (the # 1 p4p in the world) by decision, after taking it to him early in the fight.
4. Lost a war to Cotto, an up-and-coming, undefeated WW star.
In my book, Judah is still a threat to any WW out there today.
And mind you, I'm not a Judah fan.
All losses though.
The Tsyzu fight he did well in the first round and then absolutely nothing the second round, got KO'd at the end.
Any truly elite fighter should have no real problem with Baldo IMO. Maybe I underrate him but he's just not that good to me.
Yes he did do pretty well early against PBF but as usual faded as the fight went on. One thing if you watch enough fights with Judah he almost always fades, at least to some extent. The one fight he didn't was against Cory Spinks, a better fighter than Judah IMO but a perfect matchup, a guy with absolutely no power and a guy that Judah could take the fight too.
I didn't find the Cotto fight to be nearly as close as most people did. I thought it was pretty much a beatdown after the first round or two.
Judah is what he is. A good puncher, although not as good as some make him out to be, and great speed. Great athlete, but his technical skills are way overrated, anybody with that much athletic ability should be MUCH harder to hit. He's not good against pressure fighters at all which is odd considering the tools and style that he has. Also mental problems are a problem, there not just something that's going to go away.
Is he going to get any better? Not likely, he's a guy that if matched right can look great. He always looks good early, then fades, its just what he does. I guess he's a threat in the sense that he can punch but that hasn't been enough against the top guys. And I don't see any reason to think it will be different in the future.
I've always though he was overrated, and I think he continues to be overrated even after its become clear he's a step below the top guys, which is confusing to me. I gained more respect for him after the Cotto fight but just don't think he's an elite fighter.
I never said that he was a top fighter at this point (he has been losing the big fights). But he is an elite talent. He clearly does not keep it together mentally & IMO this is probably the biggest reason that he has not been living up to his potential. But IMO he is defintely a threat to anyone that gets in front of him.
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Make no mistake Judah is a threat to anyone out there.
Eh, not really. Definitely not to the truly elite guys.
Let's see. Judah........
1. Got careless and got KO'd by Tszyu, after totally dominating the first round.
2. Lost to a hard-fighting Baldomir who Judah TOTALLY underestimated and fought one of the worst fights of his career.
3. Lost to PBF (the # 1 p4p in the world) by decision, after taking it to him early in the fight.
4. Lost a war to Cotto, an up-and-coming, undefeated WW star.
In my book, Judah is still a threat to any WW out there today.
And mind you, I'm not a Judah fan.
:coolclick: U understand the point that I was making. IMO some people turn a blind eye to the talent of Zab.
CC back. Yeah... it's one thing not to like Zab. But you gotta be objective when discussing fighters. And boxing's notorious for downplaying a fighter's skills after he's lost a fight. Zab has always been, and continues to be a dangerous opponent at WW, like him or not.
