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July 21 is right around the corner. Make ur pick.
I've gone for a draw, or a close MD for one or the other. I cant see one dominating the other.
Hopkins TKO
I think Bernard will give away too many rounds to get a decision. but will bring accurate power. Winky's defense will keep Hopkins from scoring high but won't keep Hopkins from getting to him with telling accumulation which will eventually stop Winky.
May be wishful thinking as much as anything but I'm a Hopkins fan first and a realist second.
Wright on points
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
Don't doubt Winky. He has gone into the lion's den many times and emerged victorious almost always. he will not be intimidated by B-Hop and is on a skill level that so few are. Winky's work rate will astonish people. this fight has me pumped. this is the first fight that I will purchase on PPV.
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
WOW
Bhop is one of those people on the same skill level as Winky though, that's what has me so pumped for this fight as well. I just have to lean towards Hopkins because he looked so strong at LH against Tarver.. Potentially Winky could handle the move up as well, but he just moved up to 160 and really never struggled to make the weight, wheras I feel Hopkins semi drained himself for several fights at middleweight being caught up with making title defences.. Hopkins is definetly the bigger guy in this fight I think, and he may just have what it takes to crack Winkys shell with accurate shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
I don't know!!! i'm confused!!! :dontknow:
Winky Wright is one of my favorite fighters, but I think this fight is a pick 'em, it could go either way. I think Winky has the talent and execution to defeat B-Hop, but the same could be said about Hopkins. Winky's workrate could win the fight for him, but the weight class jumping could have an adverse effect on him and he's probably never been hit as hard as B-Hop can, Taylor is probably the only real comprable. I have no clue who takes this one, I'm leaning towards Winky, based on his work rate and his defensive mastery, and the fact that I like him better than Hopkins, but it's far from a lock in my mind.
I agree with this fight being a very tough 1 to call. We now have 5 votes for B-Hop & 6 for Winky.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
My vote was for B-Hop via dec.
I think that B-Hop will be something physically @170 that Winky has yet to have experienced. If he chooses to press straight ahead with his hands high as he has done in some of his latest fights, that will be a mistake IMO. As great as his defense is I don't see this strategy as a good one against Hop. But it's possible that Winky will just throw more punches & out hustle Bernard.
It's a good match but I'm counting on Hop's strength at a weight that Winky has never seen to be one of the deciding factors. We'll see in 2 weeks.
Hopkins on points or a draw , looking forward to it tho:)
I say WInky by Decision. If anyone could prove me wrong its B-Hop, but I don't think he can keep up with Winky's pace or throw enough punches to really puncture Winky's defense. Also being the slower fighter I think he will have a hard time finding opening in Winky's guard when he's letting that jab fly.
I want to see how Winky reacts to Hopkin's sneaky right hands.
Winky via decision
It will be a boring fight
Winky takes it by decision. ;)
Winky by decision! I think although the action won't be Gatti/ Ward like, the fight will still be a highly skilled intensely exciting battle!
The winner is assured of greatness!!!
B-Hop is already assured of greatness no matter what the outcome. Winky to if he gets his just due.Quote:
Originally Posted by galaxy76
11 to 6 Winky's starting to open up a lead on the Saddo forum poll.
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) WINKY ;)
Yeah but a loss for Hopkins would tarnish his standing a little IMO. Victory for Wright places him amongst the greatest of this era.Quote:
Originally Posted by silent assassin
I disagree. Even if he were to lose it will definitely not be anything close to resembling a beating IMO. He's 42 & has'nt fought in 13 months. If my memory serves me correct he had 21 title defenses in a row & held the belt for 11 years consecutively. Considering these facors & the fact that IMO Winky is a 35 yr old fighter with Hall of Fame credentials in his own right I don't see his legacy being tarnished in the least if he were to lose this fight. A short memory to remember what a guy has accomplished is 1 thing but that would be a total disgarace if it were to remotely become true.
I'm surprised Winky is the clear favorite.
hahaha cc iam wit u , i have no clue, thier both smart, both skilled, both beat jt ;), so i dont know i have no clueQuote:
Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
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Originally Posted by Gyrokai
i think if hopkins starts at good pace like he did against tarver then he could win. if he waits on winky like he did against taylor then he'll probably lose.
Suprised two thirds of people think Wright will win. Hopkins is much bigger and looked great against Tarver whilst Wright seems to be getting hit more and more.
I think Hopkins comes on strong in the late rounds.
hopkins was in the zone against tarver.
he should have retired that night
I agree that Hopkins won't take a beating & never said he would but it would definitely affect his standings amongst the greatest fighters of this era! I agree Wright is also a future Hall Of Famer & a lose for Hopkins is not going to be overly critical but in 20 years time we guys are comparing fighters a Hopkins lose may put Wright as one of the best & not Hopkins. That may not necessarily be considered tarnished but it would be a blemish that would affect his overlall standings!Quote:
Originally Posted by silent assassin
I'll watch the first 1/4 of the fight then someone will have to wake me up to find out the decision. If Bernard doesn't pull out all stops to make it interesting, it will be a snoozer. I'm pulling for B-hop.
I guess we can agree to disagree on this matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by galaxy76
I would consider any loss a "blemish". But IMO a loss to another great fighter (Winky) at this stage of the game (42 years old) would'nt "tarnish" B-Hop's overall standing/status. It did'nt hurt Ali's status to lose to Leon Spinks (hardly an all time great) in his later years. And it happened to many other greats late in their careers. Why would it be different for Bernard? The biggest difference IMO would be that most of the other greats lost to average guys & Hop would be losing to A great fighter.
IMO history would remember A loss to Winky for exactly for what it is. A great 42 yr old fighter losing to a great younger guy. B-Hop should'nt be punished for being able to maintain himself as a big time performer at a greater age than most people. He will have to show some age sooner or later. And if u go out on a loss then it's not so bad to go out against a guy as good as Winky.
But again for the record I pick B-Hop to win this fight in a dec.
cc bro you make some good points, thing for me is Hopkins doesn't need this fight. If he had retired after the Tarver fight his career would have ended on a high note. Now if he suffers a defeat who's to say he won't tread down that well worn track of comebacks & further loses. I know his legacy is secure but it would be a far cry from leaving on such a high!Quote:
Originally Posted by silent assassin
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Originally Posted by Galaxy76
:coolclick: back at ya. I agree that as for as his legacy goes he does'nt need this fight. Only time will tell how thing will work out.
If Hopkins stares at Winky for the first few rounds like he did to Taylor then he'll give up the first 3-5 rounds without a doubt. It seemed that at the end of the Taylor fights, when he picked it up, he was effortlessly being quite effective. If he does that to Winky early in the fight, then it will be VERY interesting to see what happens. Remember what Winky's face looked like after the Taylor fight, and Hopkins hit's harder than Taylor. I don't see Winky the clear favorite at all, but i give him the edge due to Hopkins laid back style.
RP33, I disagree vehemently with the assumption of Bernard's punch impact on Winky being that superior to Jermain's ( actually it is not). B-Hop is a selective, quality and tricky puncher in the first place, he doesn't rely on the one knockout punch but the fact that he appears to be more waiting to tag ya with consecutive sharp, sneaky and still solid right volleys lately ( vs Taylor I & II, vs Tarver) is because he isn't able to use pressure and volume of punches like he used to ( from Mercado to Tito and from there to Eastman). Winky has a very hard defense to penetrate in, the guy presents a perfect thin line side from where you can only see fluid right jabs comin and when you get to figure him out, he closes himself like a shell and you can't misuse your time and chances cos he'll tag you from that stance - bernard has to jump in the distance instinctively and rotate 90º repeatedly as fast to keep nailing him with rights - I do believe that is impossible for a 40 plus year old to do even if he is a beautiful physical specimen, wiry frame, perfect conditioned, experient man like Hopkins...Quote:
Originally Posted by RP33
Mr Wright isnt exactly a spring chicken
Bernards got more tricks up his sleeve then you guys remember,and he tailors his fight to his opponent
Winky wins this for me. Although he is the smaller man, I don't think B HoP has the style to prize open Winky's defence. I don't think he has the power to bring Winky's guard down either and Winky is also dam active with that ramrod jab and straight left hands.
B Hop's weakness right now is that he is far too inactive. He let JT win rounds when all JT would throw is a jab or 2 and a straight right hand because B Hop would do nothing but stare. What happens if B Hop throws 2 or 3 punches and lands them all and Winky is throwing 50-60 and lands fewer? This is going to be very tough to score.B Hop may very well land those sneaky right hands as leads or counters but how effective will they be? How clean will they be? I just don't see what B Hop can do to win.
I have to admit,I was slightly pessimistic about this fight when first announced and I'm not super excited like I am for say Taylor Pavlik but it will be a great fight between two excellent fighters. Personally,I don't think it was a good move for Wright. Win,lose or draw,will his next fight be at 175?He;s far too small. Will he move to 160? At this age,all this yo-yoing in weight cannot be good for him. And would still have rather seen him fight JT again,they have unfinished business.
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Originally Posted by Gyrokai
I'd Like to see that. Along with a little "Chopped Liver".
I think Hopkins is going to be fighting damn near inside of Wright's body. That's how close I believe Hopkins will be to Wright all night other than a few brief moments on the outside. Man I can't believe how ahead Wright is on the poll. He's good but this is against a big B-Hop. Wright's chances are fair at best.
Dont sweat it,Bhops at his best when hes the underdogQuote:
Originally Posted by helminth
Uh, i've seen Winky fight before, i know what he does.. and i've seen B-hop throughout his career, thanks..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorfmeister
Hopkins has more KO's than Taylor (obviously, but even the ratio is higher).. But when you look at their styles, obviously Taylor was VERY active the entire fight against Wright, and Hopkins is not going to take that approach even if he could at his age.. I give Hopkins more credit than you, due to the fact that if he does figure Winky out and can sneak some shots in there, they will be just as, if not more effective than Taylor was. Do i think he'll figure him out? probably not, but i do indeed think he can be effective and have a better shot if he gets to work right at the bell of round 1.
Hopkins a tape monkey,any flaw in Wrights game,and he HAS lost,Hopkins knows about itQuote:
Originally Posted by RP33
RP33 again and Gamo, guys, I love B-Hop and have every single title fight he's been in ever since RJJ, coming off the floor twice in Equador against Mercado to the two losses with Jermain and the Tarver fight. I also deslike W(S)tinky's stance to the point of nausea, to me he is still the most natural lefty I've seen and is the same junior welter light handed guy who used to outslick nobodies like J.C.Candelo in 2003 for the IBF title, then came Shane and Tito tryin to bomb him away and Wright still doing what he knows best, breaking their momentum, sliping with scoring shots and suckin up their energy and their will to win to the finish line. 50cent tried to co-promote his image and easy-going personality and cool talkin in the video "Just a Lil Bit", still he would come without too much notice against Taylor and that's exactly when Jermain started looking on the less bright side of decisions, draws and even wins ( like against Cory) - that's what W(S)tinky does to ya, besides when he's the main attraction like when he took Quartey, see what snore-fest, idiotic middle fight it can develop into and it was a major eliminator in hometown St. Petesburg, FL.Quote:
Originally Posted by RP33
I really believe Bernard chose the best fight to do a lil bit more than nothing, get the check and finally retire for good without getting hurt (Man, You really didn't believe he was to compete with Wlad, Oleg, Ruslan, Sultan and all those folks or did you?) - Taylor vs Pavlik is a A genuine middleweight title fight where fireworks are expected, Hopkins vs Wright is a A++ sort of light heavy (non) title fight that can be as exciting as watching paint dry on a wall.