P4P in the future?

Todays p4p list reads something like this.
1 Floyd Mayweather
2 Manny Pacquiao
3 Ronald Wright
4 Juan Manuel Marquez
5 Rafael Marquez
6 Joe Calzaghe
7 Ricky Hatton
8 Miguel Cotto
9 Bernard Hopkins
10 Jermaine Taylor

I know even this list is up for argument, but forget that for the moment and make a prediction for what the P4P lsit will look like in 5 years time.
Here is my go at it.
1 Floyd Mayweather. I dont think he'll stay retired. May fight only once a year but he'll stay at the top. In the next five years i can see him fighting and beating, Hatton, Cotto and Mosely.
2 Rafael Marquez. Good power, good skill, good chin. Think he will clean out the super bantam division with wins over ponce de leon, caballero, and Vasquez II. Then a move up and defeat Chris John to avenge his brothers loss.
3. Miguel Cotto. Despite a loss to Mayweather, he fights and defeats Hatton, Margarito and Williams to gain a high spot on this list.
4. Cristian Mijares. Beats Arce for a second time. Also defeats Darchinyan and Donaire who move up to fight him. Then defeats Hazegawa for a title at Bantam.
5. Mikkel Kessler. Clears out the SMW division including Calzaghe. Then wins a title at LHW.
6. Wladimir Klitschko. No oone beats him for the next 5 years at HW so he gets a spot on the list.
7. Kelly Pavlik. Takes out Jermaine Taylor at middleweight and retains the title for a few fights then moves to SMW and wins titles after Kessler has left.
8. Manny Pacquiao. Wins fights at 130 over Barrera and JMM, the tries moving up in divisions and loses at 140 to Hatton.
9. Billy Dibb. The wonderboy of Goldenboy promotions gets brought along well by his management company and has wins over some aging big name opponents including Barrera and Marquez. Moves up to lightweight and defeats long time champ Juan Diaz.
10. Kermit Cintron. Despite loss to Margarito goes on long undefeated streak which wins him a title at 147. Then moves to 154 and wins a title over Cory Spinks, and defends against Alcine and Paul Williams.

This is all pure guesswork. Would love to see what u guys think will be the top en list in 2012.

Come on guys i put some thought into this.

You're retarded.

where's kahn and berto??

Cintron? Your dreaming if you think he ever gets near to top ten.

Good Job on the effort. I do not agree with all of your list but good job on the prediction I won't even try to make one I am not good at such things. :(

I think Floyd will be gone in 5 years time, he'll be 34 or 35 by then and he won't be risking his unbeaten record once his speed has slowed a bit I don't think.

I'd fancy Khan to be knocking on the door, either one of the Peterson brothers has a chance as do Steve Molitor and Bernard Dunne.

I can never remember which Andre is the best one but the top one of Ward and Direll could be a p4p star as well.

in five years? half of the guys in that list would be retired.

Good picks on Christian Mijares and Rafael Marquez ( future nº1 P4P according 2 the Pacman's rating logic nowadays), gudnite vienna is right - Khan and Berto definitely may be there in 5 years time, I'll add Canadian Haitian Jean Pascal to be the fluid combo puncher, skillful fast Super Middle that will side step Kessler in these next 3 years or so, Zsolt Erdei is the low profile outsider who has a big chance to be there when Light-heavies/Super-Middles B-Hop, Winky and Calzaghe are gone, Wlad won't survive without a kayo loss until then and Pretty Boy ( no longer undefeated) can be there but definitely below the nº5 slot, Pacquaio can have as many as five close wins ( or defeats or draws) in the next five years...

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Originally Posted by nonito (formerly eagle)

1 Floyd Mayweather. I dont think he'll stay retired. May fight only once a year but he'll stay at the top. In the next five years i can see him fighting and beating, Hatton, Cotto and Mosely.

2 Rafael Marquez. Good power, good skill, good chin. Think he will clean out the super bantam division with wins over ponce de leon, caballero, and Vasquez II. Then a move up and defeat Chris John to avenge his brothers loss.
3. Miguel Cotto. Despite a loss to Mayweather, he fights and defeats Hatton, Margarito and Williams to gain a high spot on this list.

4. Cristian Mijares. Beats Arce for a second time. Also defeats Darchinyan and Donaire who move up to fight him. Then defeats Hazegawa for a title at Bantam.

5. Mikkel Kessler. Clears out the SMW division including Calzaghe. Then wins a title at LHW.

6. Wladimir Klitschko. No oone beats him for the next 5 years at HW so he gets a spot on the list.

7. Kelly Pavlik. Takes out Jermaine Taylor at middleweight and retains the title for a few fights then moves to SMW and wins titles after Kessler has left.

8. Manny Pacquiao. Wins fights at 130 over Barrera and JMM, the tries moving up in divisions and loses at 140 to Hatton.

9. Billy Dibb. The wonderboy of Goldenboy promotions gets brought along well by his management company and has wins over some aging big name opponents including Barrera and Marquez. Moves up to lightweight and defeats long time champ Juan Diaz.

10. Kermit Cintron. Despite loss to Margarito goes on long undefeated streak which wins him a title at 147. Then moves to 154 and wins a title over Cory Spinks, and defends against Alcine and Paul Williams.

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no point doing it in a list coz u gottahave set times etc and see whos about...

Chad dawson will be there at some point, Khan will be, Kessler is there or there abouts now, but will be in the futre too, no way pavilk does hes a puncher nothing more... Wlad might be... hes no spring chicken tho, possible there will still be big names around fighting whilst he is still fighting bums or fading...

(btw why would pac jump to 140 to fight hatton when he could fight at 135? pac at LW lol! silly boy)

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Originally Posted by nonito (formerly eagle)

I know even this list is up for argument, but forget that for the moment and make a prediction for what the P4P lsit will look like in 5 years time.
Here is my go at it.
1 Floyd Mayweather. I dont think he'll stay retired. May fight only once a year but he'll stay at the top. In the next five years i can see him fighting and beating, Hatton, Cotto and Mosely.
2 Rafael Marquez. Good power, good skill, good chin. Think he will clean out the super bantam division with wins over ponce de leon, caballero, and Vasquez II. Then a move up and defeat Chris John to avenge his brothers loss.
3. Miguel Cotto. Despite a loss to Mayweather, he fights and defeats Hatton, Margarito and Williams to gain a high spot on this list.
4. Cristian Mijares. Beats Arce for a second time. Also defeats Darchinyan and Donaire who move up to fight him. Then defeats Hazegawa for a title at Bantam.
5. Mikkel Kessler. Clears out the SMW division including Calzaghe. Then wins a title at LHW.
6. Wladimir Klitschko. No oone beats him for the next 5 years at HW so he gets a spot on the list.
7. Kelly Pavlik. Takes out Jermaine Taylor at middleweight and retains the title for a few fights then moves to SMW and wins titles after Kessler has left.
8. Manny Pacquiao. Wins fights at 130 over Barrera and JMM, the tries moving up in divisions and loses at 140 to Hatton.
9. Billy Dibb. The wonderboy of Goldenboy promotions gets brought along well by his management company and has wins over some aging big name opponents including Barrera and Marquez. Moves up to lightweight and defeats long time champ Juan Diaz.
10. Kermit Cintron. Despite loss to Margarito goes on long undefeated streak which wins him a title at 147. Then moves to 154 and wins a title over Cory Spinks, and defends against Alcine and Paul Williams.

This is all pure guesswork. Would love to see what u guys think will be the top en list in 2012.

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Cintron? Dibb? Ok Wlad holds the title for five years but draws critics for fighting Calvin Brock five times and not unifying.

hold on lemme look into my crystal ball, o wait i dont have one, theres no way we can no cuz some guys u can see coming but some guys come out of nowhere, remeber tyson lost in the olympics, and look wat happnd, hopkins lost his first fight, and look wat happnd, winky jus turned pro fought around the world uneder the radar and look wat hapnd, so u can never no, jus wait and see

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Originally Posted by nonito (formerly eagle)

Todays p4p list reads something like this.
1 Floyd Mayweather
2 Manny Pacquiao
3 Ronald Wright
4 Juan Manuel Marquez
5 Rafael Marquez
6 Joe Calzaghe
7 Ricky Hatton
8 Miguel Cotto
9 Bernard Hopkins
10 Jermaine Taylor

I know even this list is up for argument, but forget that for the moment and make a prediction for what the P4P lsit will look like in 5 years time.
Here is my go at it.
1 Floyd Mayweather. I dont think he'll stay retired. May fight only once a year but he'll stay at the top. In the next five years i can see him fighting and beating, Hatton, Cotto and Mosely.
2 Rafael Marquez. Good power, good skill, good chin. Think he will clean out the super bantam division with wins over ponce de leon, caballero, and Vasquez II. Then a move up and defeat Chris John to avenge his brothers loss.
3. Miguel Cotto. Despite a loss to Mayweather, he fights and defeats Hatton, Margarito and Williams to gain a high spot on this list.
4. Cristian Mijares. Beats Arce for a second time. Also defeats Darchinyan and Donaire who move up to fight him. Then defeats Hazegawa for a title at Bantam.
5. Mikkel Kessler. Clears out the SMW division including Calzaghe. Then wins a title at LHW.
6. Wladimir Klitschko. No oone beats him for the next 5 years at HW so he gets a spot on the list.
7. Kelly Pavlik. Takes out Jermaine Taylor at middleweight and retains the title for a few fights then moves to SMW and wins titles after Kessler has left.
8. Manny Pacquiao. Wins fights at 130 over Barrera and JMM, the tries moving up in divisions and loses at 140 to Hatton.
9. Billy Dibb. The wonderboy of Goldenboy promotions gets brought along well by his management company and has wins over some aging big name opponents including Barrera and Marquez. Moves up to lightweight and defeats long time champ Juan Diaz.
10. Kermit Cintron. Despite loss to Margarito goes on long undefeated streak which wins him a title at 147. Then moves to 154 and wins a title over Cory Spinks, and defends against Alcine and Paul Williams.

This is all pure guesswork. Would love to see what u guys think will be the top en list in 2012.

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5 years is a long time. I doubt Mayweather (35), Marquez (37), Klitschko (36) or Pacquiao (34) will be any where near the p4p list based on age and numerous wars fought. And your choice of Dib (who's faced nobody) and Cintron are laughable.

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hold on lemme look into my crystal ball, o wait i dont have one, theres no way we can no cuz some guys u can see coming but some guys come out of nowhere, remeber tyson lost in the olympics, and look wat happnd, hopkins lost his first fight, and look wat happnd, winky jus turned pro fought around the world uneder the radar and look wat hapnd, so u can never no, jus wait and see

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Half the fun in any sport is imagining 'what if' or 'what might happen in the future' type posts.

I think it's a good idea for a thread although I don't agree with many of his picks.


@violentdemise, Hopkins was still p4p number 1 in his 40's, Roy Jones Jr into his 30's as well. I see no reason why Floyd could not still be top of the pile or thereabouts at 35 if he was still fighting. I really can't see Marquez being around at 37 though nor Pacquiao.

Klitschko will never be p4p no matter how many titles and fights he wins as there is nobody to beat at heavyweight.

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hold on lemme look into my crystal ball, o wait i dont have one, theres no way we can no cuz some guys u can see coming but some guys come out of nowhere, remeber tyson lost in the olympics, and look wat happnd, hopkins lost his first fight, and look wat happnd, winky jus turned pro fought around the world uneder the radar and look wat hapnd, so u can never no, jus wait and see

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Half the fun in any sport is imagining 'what if' or 'what might happen in the future' type posts.

I think it's a good idea for a thread although I don't agree with many of his picks.


@violentdemise, Hopkins was still p4p number 1 in his 40's, Roy Jones Jr into his 30's as well. I see no reason why Floyd could not still be top of the pile or thereabouts at 35 if he was still fighting. I really can't see Marquez being around at 37 though nor Pacquiao.

Klitschko will never be p4p no matter how many titles and fights he wins as there is nobody to beat at heavyweight.

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Yeah, but I seriously doubt Mayweather continues fighting at 35. He's already thinking retirement.

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hold on lemme look into my crystal ball, o wait i dont have one, theres no way we can no cuz some guys u can see coming but some guys come out of nowhere, remeber tyson lost in the olympics, and look wat happnd, hopkins lost his first fight, and look wat happnd, winky jus turned pro fought around the world uneder the radar and look wat hapnd, so u can never no, jus wait and see

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Yeah..... boxing is the best. :)

I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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Originally Posted by nonito (formerly eagle)

I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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Ok I'll have a stab. I decided to do an entirely new p4p and not include any fighters on the current p4p list save for Cotto who I think will still be around in 5 years. I've also tried to give reasons as best I can. Hopefully it will keep the debate going and encourage others to post their picks as I too think this is an enjoyable topic. :coolclick: to the original poster by the way :)

Bilbo's Future Top 10

1. Chad Dawson, looks to be a superb natural talent and is the most proven of all 'prospects' out there hence my number 1 pick. Tremendous ability and is set to be the dominant force at 175 lbs. Potential showdowns with Tarver, Hopkins, Woods would massively boost his stock and he's young enough and big enough to move up to cruiser at some point.

2. Andre Ward. Olympic gold medalist, could rule the super middleweight division in a few years time and let's face it he's American and that matters a lot when P4P rankings are compiled.

3. Lamont Peterson, a very slick 140 lb, good to watch, techincally excellent although not a puncher. Still he has the skills to do well.

4. Miguel Cotto. I think he will lose fights, but he's so strong he can also beat anybody. In 5 years time he will probably have lost to Mayweather and maybe Margarito or Mosely but he will have had other big wins and will be a genuine p4p star.

5. Amir Khan. Has tremendous potential, blazing fast and improving all the time. I think he could still even be unbeaten in 5 years time but it's virtually impossible for a European to make the top 5 p4p so he won't be any higher no matter how good he is.

6. Juan Diaz, great all action fighter. Overwhelms guys although not a great deal of power. He should be in his prime in 5 years and could well dominate the lightweight and junior welter divisions. Fights with Khan and either Peterson brother could be huge.

7. Odlanier Solis. I've only just become aware of this Olympic Gold medallist and Amatuer World Champion but after watching his 4 pro fights plus his dismantling of David Haye he looks like what we have been waiting for, a heavyweight with real quality. If you've seen the fight with Haye you'll know he can definitely take a punch as well. My tip to dominate the heavies in 5 years.

8. Bernard Dunne. I really like this little Irish fighter. Great work ethic and good skills plus massive Irish support. He'll become the next Barry McGuigan, and suprisingly I mean that in a good way!

9. Edwin Valero. He'll probably always struggle to get fights in America but as long as he keeps winning he should dominate the featherweight division once Barrera, Marquez and Pacquio have retired.

10. Christian Mijares. Ok so he looks like the geeky kid from Road Trip but he proved against Arce that he can fight. He'll never be as big a draw as somebody like Arce, Ponce De Leon or Darchinyan but as long as those type of fighters are getting love from HBO he can make a name for himself by giving them all a boxing lesson.

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Originally Posted by nonito (formerly eagle)

I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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Ok I'll have a stab. I decided to do an entirely new p4p and not include any fighters on the current p4p list save for Cotto who I think will still be around in 5 years. I've also tried to give reasons as best I can. Hopefully it will keep the debate going and encourage others to post their picks as I too think this is an enjoyable topic. :coolclick: to the original poster by the way :)

Bilbo's Future Top 10

1. Chad Dawson, looks to be a superb natural talent and is the most proven of all 'prospects' out there hence my number 1 pick. Tremendous ability and is set to be the dominant force at 175 lbs. Potential showdowns with Tarver, Hopkins, Woods would massively boost his stock and he's young enough and big enough to move up to cruiser at some point.

2. Andre Ward. Olympic gold medalist, could rule the super middleweight division in a few years time and let's face it to be he's American and that matters a lot when P4P rankings are compiled.

3. Lamont Peterson, a very slick 140 lb, good to watch, techincally excellent although not a puncher. Still he has the skills to do well.

4. Miguel Cotto. I think he will lose fights, but he's so strong he can also beat anybody. In 5 years time he will probably have lost to Mayweather and maybe Margarito or Mosely but he will have had other big wins and will be a genuine p4p star.

5. Amir Khan. Has tremendous potential, blazing fast and improving all the time. I think he could still even be unbeaten in 5 years time but it's virtually impossible for a European to make the top 5 p4p so he won't be any higher no matter how good he is.

6. Juan Diaz, great all action fighter. Overwhelms guys although not a great deal of power. He should be in his prime in 5 years and could well dominate the lightweight and junior welter divisions. Fights with Khan and either Peterson brother could be huge.

7. Odlanier Solis. I've only just become aware of this Olympic Gold medallist and Amatuer World Champion but after watching his 4 pro fights plus his dismantling of David Haye he looks like what we have been waiting for, a heavyweight with real quality. If you've seen the fight with Haye you'll know he can definitely take a punch as well. My tip to dominate the heavies in 5 years.

8. Bernard Dunne. I really like this little Irish fighter. Great work ethic and good skills plus massive Irish support. He'll become the next Barry McGuigan, and suprisingly I mean that in a good way!

9. Edwin Valero. He'll probably always struggle to get fights in America but as long as he keeps winning he should dominate the featherweight division once Barrera, Marquez and Pacquio have retired.

10. Christian Mijares. Ok so he looks like the geeky kid from Road Trip but he proved against Arce that he can fight. He'll never be as big a draw as somebody like Arce, Ponce De Leon or Darchinyan but as long as those type of fighters are getting love from HBO he can make a name for himself by giving them all a boxing lesson.

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Thanks for that mate. I think my list is looking more like a P4P list in three years rather than 5. I'd probably do more research if i was to try again. Hopefully more will try writing a list rather than just criticising. CC for u.

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Originally Posted by nonito (formerly eagle)

I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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Ok I'll have a stab. I decided to do an entirely new p4p and not include any fighters on the current p4p list save for Cotto who I think will still be around in 5 years. I've also tried to give reasons as best I can. Hopefully it will keep the debate going and encourage others to post their picks as I too think this is an enjoyable topic. :coolclick: to the original poster by the way :)

Bilbo's Future Top 10

1. Chad Dawson, looks to be a superb natural talent and is the most proven of all 'prospects' out there hence my number 1 pick. Tremendous ability and is set to be the dominant force at 175 lbs. Potential showdowns with Tarver, Hopkins, Woods would massively boost his stock and he's young enough and big enough to move up to cruiser at some point.

2. Andre Ward. Olympic gold medalist, could rule the super middleweight division in a few years time and let's face it to be he's American and that matters a lot when P4P rankings are compiled.

3. Lamont Peterson, a very slick 140 lb, good to watch, techincally excellent although not a puncher. Still he has the skills to do well.

4. Miguel Cotto. I think he will lose fights, but he's so strong he can also beat anybody. In 5 years time he will probably have lost to Mayweather and maybe Margarito or Mosely but he will have had other big wins and will be a genuine p4p star.

5. Amir Khan. Has tremendous potential, blazing fast and improving all the time. I think he could still even be unbeaten in 5 years time but it's virtually impossible for a European to make the top 5 p4p so he won't be any higher no matter how good he is.

6. Juan Diaz, great all action fighter. Overwhelms guys although not a great deal of power. He should be in his prime in 5 years and could well dominate the lightweight and junior welter divisions. Fights with Khan and either Peterson brother could be huge.

7. Odlanier Solis. I've only just become aware of this Olympic Gold medallist and Amatuer World Champion but after watching his 4 pro fights plus his dismantling of David Haye he looks like what we have been waiting for, a heavyweight with real quality. If you've seen the fight with Haye you'll know he can definitely take a punch as well. My tip to dominate the heavies in 5 years.

8. Bernard Dunne. I really like this little Irish fighter. Great work ethic and good skills plus massive Irish support. He'll become the next Barry McGuigan, and suprisingly I mean that in a good way!

9. Edwin Valero. He'll probably always struggle to get fights in America but as long as he keeps winning he should dominate the featherweight division once Barrera, Marquez and Pacquio have retired.

10. Christian Mijares. Ok so he looks like the geeky kid from Road Trip but he proved against Arce that he can fight. He'll never be as big a draw as somebody like Arce, Ponce De Leon or Darchinyan but as long as those type of fighters are getting love from HBO he can make a name for himself by giving them all a boxing lesson.

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Thanks for that mate. I think my list is looking more like a P4P list in three years rather than 5. I'd probably do more research if i was to try again. Hopefully more will try writing a list rather than just criticising. CC for u.

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You're welcome buddy. I don't really get the criticism either as the whole point of a boxing fan forum is to talk about 'what if's' and as for people shooting down your list......well then....let them print their own ;)

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Originally Posted by nonito (formerly eagle)

I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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Ok I'll have a stab. I decided to do an entirely new p4p and not include any fighters on the current p4p list save for Cotto who I think will still be around in 5 years. I've also tried to give reasons as best I can. Hopefully it will keep the debate going and encourage others to post their picks as I too think this is an enjoyable topic. :coolclick: to the original poster by the way :)

Bilbo's Future Top 10

1. Chad Dawson, looks to be a superb natural talent and is the most proven of all 'prospects' out there hence my number 1 pick. Tremendous ability and is set to be the dominant force at 175 lbs. Potential showdowns with Tarver, Hopkins, Woods would massively boost his stock and he's young enough and big enough to move up to cruiser at some point.

2. Andre Ward. Olympic gold medalist, could rule the super middleweight division in a few years time and let's face it to be he's American and that matters a lot when P4P rankings are compiled.

3. Lamont Peterson, a very slick 140 lb, good to watch, techincally excellent although not a puncher. Still he has the skills to do well.

4. Miguel Cotto. I think he will lose fights, but he's so strong he can also beat anybody. In 5 years time he will probably have lost to Mayweather and maybe Margarito or Mosely but he will have had other big wins and will be a genuine p4p star.

5. Amir Khan. Has tremendous potential, blazing fast and improving all the time. I think he could still even be unbeaten in 5 years time but it's virtually impossible for a European to make the top 5 p4p so he won't be any higher no matter how good he is.

6. Juan Diaz, great all action fighter. Overwhelms guys although not a great deal of power. He should be in his prime in 5 years and could well dominate the lightweight and junior welter divisions. Fights with Khan and either Peterson brother could be huge.

7. Odlanier Solis. I've only just become aware of this Olympic Gold medallist and Amatuer World Champion but after watching his 4 pro fights plus his dismantling of David Haye he looks like what we have been waiting for, a heavyweight with real quality. If you've seen the fight with Haye you'll know he can definitely take a punch as well. My tip to dominate the heavies in 5 years.

8. Bernard Dunne. I really like this little Irish fighter. Great work ethic and good skills plus massive Irish support. He'll become the next Barry McGuigan, and suprisingly I mean that in a good way!

9. Edwin Valero. He'll probably always struggle to get fights in America but as long as he keeps winning he should dominate the featherweight division once Barrera, Marquez and Pacquio have retired.

10. Christian Mijares. Ok so he looks like the geeky kid from Road Trip but he proved against Arce that he can fight. He'll never be as big a draw as somebody like Arce, Ponce De Leon or Darchinyan but as long as those type of fighters are getting love from HBO he can make a name for himself by giving them all a boxing lesson.

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Thanks for that mate. I think my list is looking more like a P4P list in three years rather than 5. I'd probably do more research if i was to try again. Hopefully more will try writing a list rather than just criticising. CC for u.

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You're welcome buddy. I don't really get the criticism either as the whole point of a boxing fan forum is to talk about 'what if's' and as for people shooting down your list......well then....let them print their own ;)

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Yeah i know. There is so much one upmanship on this forum. I had 17 replies to this post, not one other person did a list but had about 13 criticisms.

Don't feel too bad it's nothing personal and besides it seems the main posters have so far not posted in this thread. I expect CutMeMick and El Gamo may contribute their own lists, (although Gamo's could just as well be labelled best Mexican/Phillipino 10 stone or less Top 10 but that's beside the point)

And I'm sure Miles will give you a coolclick for your efforts when he logs on :P

10, AJ Banal- I think this kid has a good future
9, Andre Dirrell- He's better than Andre Ward
8, Robert Guerrero- He'll put it together
7, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr- He'll never be as great as his father, but he'll be good
6, Lorenzo Parra- If gets healthy, he'll be hard to beat
5, Juan Manuel Lopez- Kid's good
4, Andre Berto- The best of all the Andre's
3, Paul Williams- Provided he beats Margarito. Only Cotto is in his way
2, Koki Kameda- The future of the lower divisions
1, Miguel Cotto- Provided Mayweather retires, p4p is his

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Originally Posted by nonito (formerly eagle)

I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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I gave you credit for your list. Even admitted I stink when it comes to making them. But since you have had more detractors then people who have given at least an honest effort befor shooting your list down I will try.

I just want to state this first. They are in no particular order and I did mention I am not good at P4P list current or future.

1.Paul Malinaggi- I think he will just keep getting better with time

2. Mikkel Kessler-Even if he loses to Calzaghe he will continue to improve

3. Kelly Pavlik- Not a fan but he showed in the Miranda bout he can box as well as fight

4. John Duddy- They are bringing him along at the perfect pace. He is getting better all the time. Assuming He has a decent chin he has a big future ahead of him

5. Miguel Cotto- He gets better and better

6. Ricky Hatton-He will only be 32 or 33 and still have plenty left in him assuming he does not get into too many upcoming wars

7. Juan Diaz- The baby bull has potential as long as he does not get starched by a top guy before then and have his confidence ruined. He is on top of the lightweight division right now but he is still young

8 Manny Pacquiao- He is still just 28 as like Hatton assuming he does not get played out in any wars

9. Nonito Doniare- I do not think the Darchinyan win was a fluke. Even if he loses a re-match this kid has a big future ahead of him

10-Joshua Clottey-The tweo fights he lost were just bad luck. Broken hand and a DQ. If he went ot 154 he would dominate with ease

I tried ;D

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10, AJ Banal- I think this kid has a good future
9, Andre Dirrell- He's better than Andre Ward
8, Robert Guerrero- He'll put it together
7, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr- He'll never be as great as his father, but he'll be good
6, Lorenzo Parra- If gets healthy, he'll be hard to beat
5, Juan Manuel Lopez- Kid's good
4, Andre Berto- The best of all the Andre's
3, Paul Williams- Provided he beats Margarito. Only Cotto is in his way
2, Koki Kameda- The future of the lower divisions
1, Miguel Cotto- Provided Mayweather retires, p4p is his

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I've not heard of Banal VD what weight is he and what kind of fighter? Dirrell is definitely a talent and his last fight proved he could succeed Floyd as the premier runner out there at least :P

I've not seen Parra or Kameda fight yet and know nothing about them.

I've heard of Lopez but not seen him yet. Not a fan of Williams at all, hoping Margarito smokes him.

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I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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I gave you credit for your list. Even admitted I stink when it comes to making them. But since you have had more detractors then people who have given at least an honest effort befor shooting your list down I will try.

I just want to state this first. They are in no particular order and I did mention I am not good at P4P list current or future.

1.Paul Malinaggi- I think he will just keep getting better with time

2. Mikkel Kessler-Even if he loses to Calzaghe he will continue to improve

3. Kelly Pavlik- Not a fan but he showed in the Miranda bout he can box as well as fight

4. John Duddy- They are bringing him along at the perfect pace. He is getting better all the time. Assuming He has a decent chin he has a big future ahead of him

5. Miguel Cotto- He gets better and better

6. Ricky Hatton-He will only be 32 or 33 and still have plenty left in him assuming he does not get into too many upcoming wars

7. Juan Diaz- The baby bull has potential as long as he does not get starched by a top guy before then and have his confidence ruined. He is on top of the lightweight division right now but he is still young

8 Manny Pacquiao- He is still just 28 as like Hatton assuming he does not get played out in any wars

9. Nonito Doniare- I do not think the Darchinyan win was a fluke. Even if he loses a re-match this kid has a big future ahead of him

10-Joshua Clottey-The tweo fights he lost were just bad luck. Broken hand and a DQ. If he went ot 154 he would dominate with ease

I tried ;D

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I like Paulie he's an exciting fighter but I think his lack of power will stop him from becoming great. Kessler could be p4p then but I've got a feeling his time will have come and gone in 5 years, same for Clottey and Pavlik.

No way Ricky or Manny are still around I think Ricky is talking about only 2 or 3 more fights, Pacquio wants to be out in a couple years too.

Duddy is an exciting fighter but I'd be suprised if he even won a world title let alone got into the P4P list.

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10, AJ Banal- I think this kid has a good future
9, Andre Dirrell- He's better than Andre Ward
8, Robert Guerrero- He'll put it together
7, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr- He'll never be as great as his father, but he'll be good
6, Lorenzo Parra- If gets healthy, he'll be hard to beat
5, Juan Manuel Lopez- Kid's good
4, Andre Berto- The best of all the Andre's
3, Paul Williams- Provided he beats Margarito. Only Cotto is in his way
2, Koki Kameda- The future of the lower divisions
1, Miguel Cotto- Provided Mayweather retires, p4p is his

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Good list mate. Makes me feel my list is not enough in the future.

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I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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I gave you credit for your list. Even admitted I stink when it comes to making them. But since you have had more detractors then people who have given at least an honest effort befor shooting your list down I will try.

I just want to state this first. They are in no particular order and I did mention I am not good at P4P list current or future.

1.Paul Malinaggi- I think he will just keep getting better with time

2. Mikkel Kessler-Even if he loses to Calzaghe he will continue to improve

3. Kelly Pavlik- Not a fan but he showed in the Miranda bout he can box as well as fight

4. John Duddy- They are bringing him along at the perfect pace. He is getting better all the time. Assuming He has a decent chin he has a big future ahead of him

5. Miguel Cotto- He gets better and better

6. Ricky Hatton-He will only be 32 or 33 and still have plenty left in him assuming he does not get into too many upcoming wars

7. Juan Diaz- The baby bull has potential as long as he does not get starched by a top guy before then and have his confidence ruined. He is on top of the lightweight division right now but he is still young

8 Manny Pacquiao- He is still just 28 as like Hatton assuming he does not get played out in any wars

9. Nonito Doniare- I do not think the Darchinyan win was a fluke. Even if he loses a re-match this kid has a big future ahead of him

10-Joshua Clottey-The tweo fights he lost were just bad luck. Broken hand and a DQ. If he went ot 154 he would dominate with ease

I tried ;D

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I like Paulie he's an exciting fighter but I think his lack of power will stop him from becoming great. Kessler could be p4p then but I've got a feeling his time will have come and gone in 5 years, same for Clottey and Pavlik.

No way Ricky or Manny are still around I think Ricky is talking about only 2 or 3 more fights, Pacquio wants to be out in a couple years too.

Duddy is an exciting fighter but I'd be suprised if he even won a world title let alone got into the P4P list.

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I said I tried did not say how good my list was lol. In my opinion with boxing you can never tell. That is why I don't like to predict how things will end up. A guy is on top today gets knocked out and is never the same again.

It is just a wait and see process

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I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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I gave you credit for your list. Even admitted I stink when it comes to making them. But since you have had more detractors then people who have given at least an honest effort befor shooting your list down I will try.

I just want to state this first. They are in no particular order and I did mention I am not good at P4P list current or future.

1.Paul Malinaggi- I think he will just keep getting better with time

2. Mikkel Kessler-Even if he loses to Calzaghe he will continue to improve

3. Kelly Pavlik- Not a fan but he showed in the Miranda bout he can box as well as fight

4. John Duddy- They are bringing him along at the perfect pace. He is getting better all the time. Assuming He has a decent chin he has a big future ahead of him

5. Miguel Cotto- He gets better and better

6. Ricky Hatton-He will only be 32 or 33 and still have plenty left in him assuming he does not get into too many upcoming wars

7. Juan Diaz- The baby bull has potential as long as he does not get starched by a top guy before then and have his confidence ruined. He is on top of the lightweight division right now but he is still young

8 Manny Pacquiao- He is still just 28 as like Hatton assuming he does not get played out in any wars

9. Nonito Doniare- I do not think the Darchinyan win was a fluke. Even if he loses a re-match this kid has a big future ahead of him

10-Joshua Clottey-The tweo fights he lost were just bad luck. Broken hand and a DQ. If he went ot 154 he would dominate with ease

I tried ;D

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I like Paulie he's an exciting fighter but I think his lack of power will stop him from becoming great. Kessler could be p4p then but I've got a feeling his time will have come and gone in 5 years, same for Clottey and Pavlik.

No way Ricky or Manny are still around I think Ricky is talking about only 2 or 3 more fights, Pacquio wants to be out in a couple years too.

Duddy is an exciting fighter but I'd be suprised if he even won a world title let alone got into the P4P list.

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I said I tried did not say how good my list was lol. In my opinion with boxing you can never tell. That is why I don't like to predict how things will end up. A guy is on top today gets knocked out and is never the same again.

It is just a wait and see process

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You are right. If we looked back on this in five years i bet no one is even close. Look at P4P five years ago. the names where Hopkins, Jones, Mosely, Trinidad Tszyu Morales etc. None of them are near the top now.

Altho Bhop could be if he wins against Winky..

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Altho Bhop could be if he wins against Winky..

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And Mosely could be back if he wins another big fight.

Actually there's been a few guys Hopkins, Jones, Mosely, De La Hoya, Mayweather, De La Hoya, Morales and Barrera who have been at the top of the tree for a long time. With all these guys seemingly on the way out the rankings have been made wide open for new blood.

Pacquiao will be around for a while, and Cotto should establish himself there. As for the other current P4P stars, the Marquez brothers, Calzaghe, Hatton, Taylor etc, I can see all of them retiring or in the case of Taylor being dethroned within the next 24 months.

I'll go out on a limb and say NONE of the current P4P guys will still be top 10 P4P in 5 years. Cotto probably will be, but I'm not sure if he's officially in the Ring Top 10 yet?

I'm sure half of the top 10 though will be fighters that none of us have even heard of though lol,

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I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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I gave you credit for your list. Even admitted I stink when it comes to making them. But since you have had more detractors then people who have given at least an honest effort befor shooting your list down I will try.

I just want to state this first. They are in no particular order and I did mention I am not good at P4P list current or future.

1.Paul Malinaggi- I think he will just keep getting better with time

2. Mikkel Kessler-Even if he loses to Calzaghe he will continue to improve

3. Kelly Pavlik- Not a fan but he showed in the Miranda bout he can box as well as fight

4. John Duddy- They are bringing him along at the perfect pace. He is getting better all the time. Assuming He has a decent chin he has a big future ahead of him

5. Miguel Cotto- He gets better and better

6. Ricky Hatton-He will only be 32 or 33 and still have plenty left in him assuming he does not get into too many upcoming wars

7. Juan Diaz- The baby bull has potential as long as he does not get starched by a top guy before then and have his confidence ruined. He is on top of the lightweight division right now but he is still young

8 Manny Pacquiao- He is still just 28 as like Hatton assuming he does not get played out in any wars

9. Nonito Doniare- I do not think the Darchinyan win was a fluke. Even if he loses a re-match this kid has a big future ahead of him

10-Joshua Clottey-The tweo fights he lost were just bad luck. Broken hand and a DQ. If he went ot 154 he would dominate with ease

I tried ;D

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I like Paulie he's an exciting fighter but I think his lack of power will stop him from becoming great. Kessler could be p4p then but I've got a feeling his time will have come and gone in 5 years, same for Clottey and Pavlik.

No way Ricky or Manny are still around I think Ricky is talking about only 2 or 3 more fights, Pacquio wants to be out in a couple years too.

Duddy is an exciting fighter but I'd be suprised if he even won a world title let alone got into the P4P list.

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I said I tried did not say how good my list was lol. In my opinion with boxing you can never tell. That is why I don't like to predict how things will end up. A guy is on top today gets knocked out and is never the same again.

It is just a wait and see process

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No need to be apologetic, everone's opinion is equally valid, unless the post is made by TysonBruno that is ;D

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I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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I gave you credit for your list. Even admitted I stink when it comes to making them. But since you have had more detractors then people who have given at least an honest effort befor shooting your list down I will try.

I just want to state this first. They are in no particular order and I did mention I am not good at P4P list current or future.

1.Paul Malinaggi- I think he will just keep getting better with time

2. Mikkel Kessler-Even if he loses to Calzaghe he will continue to improve

3. Kelly Pavlik- Not a fan but he showed in the Miranda bout he can box as well as fight

4. John Duddy- They are bringing him along at the perfect pace. He is getting better all the time. Assuming He has a decent chin he has a big future ahead of him

5. Miguel Cotto- He gets better and better

6. Ricky Hatton-He will only be 32 or 33 and still have plenty left in him assuming he does not get into too many upcoming wars

7. Juan Diaz- The baby bull has potential as long as he does not get starched by a top guy before then and have his confidence ruined. He is on top of the lightweight division right now but he is still young

8 Manny Pacquiao- He is still just 28 as like Hatton assuming he does not get played out in any wars

9. Nonito Doniare- I do not think the Darchinyan win was a fluke. Even if he loses a re-match this kid has a big future ahead of him

10-Joshua Clottey-The tweo fights he lost were just bad luck. Broken hand and a DQ. If he went ot 154 he would dominate with ease

I tried ;D

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You right. You stink at making lists. Cuz this list is just terrible. Malinaggi is a joke. He'll beat the journeyman fighter (N'dou) but he'll always lose to the top fighters. Duddy is severely overrated. Ancient Yory Boy Campos by all rights beat him. 5 years from now Hatton and Pacquiao will be used up (to many wars). Diaz will be exposed if he ever meets Casamayor. Pavlik is good, but not p4p material. Doniare needs more than just one win. And Clottey is pretty much living off a loss (Margarito) and a win against a fighter (Corrales) moving up 2 weight classes. He'll have a hard time at 154.

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I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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I gave you credit for your list. Even admitted I stink when it comes to making them. But since you have had more detractors then people who have given at least an honest effort befor shooting your list down I will try.

I just want to state this first. They are in no particular order and I did mention I am not good at P4P list current or future.

1.Paul Malinaggi- I think he will just keep getting better with time

2. Mikkel Kessler-Even if he loses to Calzaghe he will continue to improve

3. Kelly Pavlik- Not a fan but he showed in the Miranda bout he can box as well as fight

4. John Duddy- They are bringing him along at the perfect pace. He is getting better all the time. Assuming He has a decent chin he has a big future ahead of him

5. Miguel Cotto- He gets better and better

6. Ricky Hatton-He will only be 32 or 33 and still have plenty left in him assuming he does not get into too many upcoming wars

7. Juan Diaz- The baby bull has potential as long as he does not get starched by a top guy before then and have his confidence ruined. He is on top of the lightweight division right now but he is still young

8 Manny Pacquiao- He is still just 28 as like Hatton assuming he does not get played out in any wars

9. Nonito Doniare- I do not think the Darchinyan win was a fluke. Even if he loses a re-match this kid has a big future ahead of him

10-Joshua Clottey-The tweo fights he lost were just bad luck. Broken hand and a DQ. If he went ot 154 he would dominate with ease

I tried ;D

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You right. You stink at making lists. Cuz this list is just terrible. Malinaggi is a joke. He'll beat the journeyman fighter (N'dou) but he'll always lose to the top fighters. Duddy is severely overrated. Ancient Yory Boy Campos by all rights beat him. 5 years from now Hatton and Pacquiao will be used up (to many wars). Diaz will be exposed if he ever meets Casamayor. Pavlik is good, but not p4p material. Doniare needs more than just one win. And Clottey is pretty much living off a loss (Margarito) and a win against a fighter (Corrales) moving up 2 weight classes. He'll have a hard time at 154.

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Ever the diplomat VD ;)

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I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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I gave you credit for your list. Even admitted I stink when it comes to making them. But since you have had more detractors then people who have given at least an honest effort befor shooting your list down I will try.

I just want to state this first. They are in no particular order and I did mention I am not good at P4P list current or future.

1.Paul Malinaggi- I think he will just keep getting better with time

2. Mikkel Kessler-Even if he loses to Calzaghe he will continue to improve

3. Kelly Pavlik- Not a fan but he showed in the Miranda bout he can box as well as fight

4. John Duddy- They are bringing him along at the perfect pace. He is getting better all the time. Assuming He has a decent chin he has a big future ahead of him

5. Miguel Cotto- He gets better and better

6. Ricky Hatton-He will only be 32 or 33 and still have plenty left in him assuming he does not get into too many upcoming wars

7. Juan Diaz- The baby bull has potential as long as he does not get starched by a top guy before then and have his confidence ruined. He is on top of the lightweight division right now but he is still young

8 Manny Pacquiao- He is still just 28 as like Hatton assuming he does not get played out in any wars

9. Nonito Doniare- I do not think the Darchinyan win was a fluke. Even if he loses a re-match this kid has a big future ahead of him

10-Joshua Clottey-The tweo fights he lost were just bad luck. Broken hand and a DQ. If he went ot 154 he would dominate with ease

I tried ;D

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You right. You stink at making lists. Cuz this list is just terrible. Malinaggi is a joke. He'll beat the journeyman fighter (N'dou) but he'll always lose to the top fighters. Duddy is severely overrated. Ancient Yory Boy Campos by all rights beat him. 5 years from now Hatton and Pacquiao will be used up (to many wars). Diaz will be exposed if he ever meets Casamayor. Pavlik is good, but not p4p material. Doniare needs more than just one win. And Clottey is pretty much living off a loss (Margarito) and a win against a fighter (Corrales) moving up 2 weight classes. He'll have a hard time at 154.

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Maybe or Maybe not

I still think you are wrong about Malinaggi

If you read what I wrote about Hatton and Pacquiao. I think I stated something about depends on if they get into too many wars. Thanks for repeating me. Just in case I did not understand when I WROTE it.

I can almost bet money you at one time said Miranda would KO Pavlik as well right?

As for Clottey he broke his hand in what the 6th round?? Margarito still just squeeked by. His other loss is a DQ to Baldomir.

Who is such a huge threat at 154?

Clottey can box decent. Has good Power and a good chin. He is well rounded

So please really point out where my list is so unimaginable?

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I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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I gave you credit for your list. Even admitted I stink when it comes to making them. But since you have had more detractors then people who have given at least an honest effort befor shooting your list down I will try.

I just want to state this first. They are in no particular order and I did mention I am not good at P4P list current or future.

1.Paul Malinaggi- I think he will just keep getting better with time

2. Mikkel Kessler-Even if he loses to Calzaghe he will continue to improve

3. Kelly Pavlik- Not a fan but he showed in the Miranda bout he can box as well as fight

4. John Duddy- They are bringing him along at the perfect pace. He is getting better all the time. Assuming He has a decent chin he has a big future ahead of him

5. Miguel Cotto- He gets better and better

6. Ricky Hatton-He will only be 32 or 33 and still have plenty left in him assuming he does not get into too many upcoming wars

7. Juan Diaz- The baby bull has potential as long as he does not get starched by a top guy before then and have his confidence ruined. He is on top of the lightweight division right now but he is still young

8 Manny Pacquiao- He is still just 28 as like Hatton assuming he does not get played out in any wars

9. Nonito Doniare- I do not think the Darchinyan win was a fluke. Even if he loses a re-match this kid has a big future ahead of him

10-Joshua Clottey-The tweo fights he lost were just bad luck. Broken hand and a DQ. If he went ot 154 he would dominate with ease

I tried ;D

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You right. You stink at making lists. Cuz this list is just terrible. Malinaggi is a joke. He'll beat the journeyman fighter (N'dou) but he'll always lose to the top fighters. Duddy is severely overrated. Ancient Yory Boy Campos by all rights beat him. 5 years from now Hatton and Pacquiao will be used up (to many wars). Diaz will be exposed if he ever meets Casamayor. Pavlik is good, but not p4p material. Doniare needs more than just one win. And Clottey is pretty much living off a loss (Margarito) and a win against a fighter (Corrales) moving up 2 weight classes. He'll have a hard time at 154.

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Maybe or Maybe not

I still think you are wrong about Malinaggi

If you read what I wrote about Hatton and Pacquiao. I think I stated something about depends on if they get into too many wars. Thanks for repeating me. Just in case I did not understand when I WROTE it.

I can almost bet money you at one time said Miranda would KO Pavlik as well right?

As for Clottey he broke his hand in what the 6th round?? Margarito still just squeeked by. His other loss is a DQ to Baldomir.

Who is such a huge threat at 154?

Clottey can box decent. Has good Power and a good chin. He is well rounded

So please really point out where my list is so unimaginable?

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If Cotto is still about in five years he is still gonna be better than Paulie. Other than that i think Clottey is the forgotten man at 147, and has claims. Good work.

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I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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I gave you credit for your list. Even admitted I stink when it comes to making them. But since you have had more detractors then people who have given at least an honest effort befor shooting your list down I will try.

I just want to state this first. They are in no particular order and I did mention I am not good at P4P list current or future.

1.Paul Malinaggi- I think he will just keep getting better with time

2. Mikkel Kessler-Even if he loses to Calzaghe he will continue to improve

3. Kelly Pavlik- Not a fan but he showed in the Miranda bout he can box as well as fight

4. John Duddy- They are bringing him along at the perfect pace. He is getting better all the time. Assuming He has a decent chin he has a big future ahead of him

5. Miguel Cotto- He gets better and better

6. Ricky Hatton-He will only be 32 or 33 and still have plenty left in him assuming he does not get into too many upcoming wars

7. Juan Diaz- The baby bull has potential as long as he does not get starched by a top guy before then and have his confidence ruined. He is on top of the lightweight division right now but he is still young

8 Manny Pacquiao- He is still just 28 as like Hatton assuming he does not get played out in any wars

9. Nonito Doniare- I do not think the Darchinyan win was a fluke. Even if he loses a re-match this kid has a big future ahead of him

10-Joshua Clottey-The tweo fights he lost were just bad luck. Broken hand and a DQ. If he went ot 154 he would dominate with ease

I tried ;D

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You right. You stink at making lists. Cuz this list is just terrible. Malinaggi is a joke. He'll beat the journeyman fighter (N'dou) but he'll always lose to the top fighters. Duddy is severely overrated. Ancient Yory Boy Campos by all rights beat him. 5 years from now Hatton and Pacquiao will be used up (to many wars). Diaz will be exposed if he ever meets Casamayor. Pavlik is good, but not p4p material. Doniare needs more than just one win. And Clottey is pretty much living off a loss (Margarito) and a win against a fighter (Corrales) moving up 2 weight classes. He'll have a hard time at 154.

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Maybe or Maybe not

I still think you are wrong about Malinaggi

If you read what I wrote about Hatton and Pacquiao. I think I stated something about depends on if they get into too many wars. Thanks for repeating me. Just in case I did not understand when I WROTE it.

I can almost bet money you at one time said Miranda would KO Pavlik as well right?

As for Clottey he broke his hand in what the 6th round?? Margarito still just squeeked by. His other loss is a DQ to Baldomir.

Who is such a huge threat at 154?

Clottey can box decent. Has good Power and a good chin. He is well rounded

So please really point out where my list is so unimaginable?

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Your pick for number 1 is really what makes your list a complete joke. Malinaggi reminds me of another fast fighter who was taught very highly of. Ed Hopson. Only he don't hit as hard as Hopson did. I think he'll suffer the same fate. I did pick Miranda to knock Pavlik out. I was wrong and I gave Pavlik his credit. At no time did I ever have the limited Miranda as a p4p fighter. So I don't see how beating him would make Pavlik a p4p fighter. Especially since I'm going against him again and picking Taylor. As for Clottey? If the question was who can be a future champion. I probably would of picked Clottey. He's a good fighter. But he's not a p4p fighter. 5 years from now Cotto and Williams will most likely be fighting at 154. As will Cintron, Joel Julio and Andre Berto. I don't see Clottey dominating any one of those fighters.

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I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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I gave you credit for your list. Even admitted I stink when it comes to making them. But since you have had more detractors then people who have given at least an honest effort befor shooting your list down I will try.

I just want to state this first. They are in no particular order and I did mention I am not good at P4P list current or future.

1.Paul Malinaggi- I think he will just keep getting better with time

2. Mikkel Kessler-Even if he loses to Calzaghe he will continue to improve

3. Kelly Pavlik- Not a fan but he showed in the Miranda bout he can box as well as fight

4. John Duddy- They are bringing him along at the perfect pace. He is getting better all the time. Assuming He has a decent chin he has a big future ahead of him

5. Miguel Cotto- He gets better and better

6. Ricky Hatton-He will only be 32 or 33 and still have plenty left in him assuming he does not get into too many upcoming wars

7. Juan Diaz- The baby bull has potential as long as he does not get starched by a top guy before then and have his confidence ruined. He is on top of the lightweight division right now but he is still young

8 Manny Pacquiao- He is still just 28 as like Hatton assuming he does not get played out in any wars

9. Nonito Doniare- I do not think the Darchinyan win was a fluke. Even if he loses a re-match this kid has a big future ahead of him

10-Joshua Clottey-The tweo fights he lost were just bad luck. Broken hand and a DQ. If he went ot 154 he would dominate with ease

I tried ;D

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You right. You stink at making lists. Cuz this list is just terrible. Malinaggi is a joke. He'll beat the journeyman fighter (N'dou) but he'll always lose to the top fighters. Duddy is severely overrated. Ancient Yory Boy Campos by all rights beat him. 5 years from now Hatton and Pacquiao will be used up (to many wars). Diaz will be exposed if he ever meets Casamayor. Pavlik is good, but not p4p material. Doniare needs more than just one win. And Clottey is pretty much living off a loss (Margarito) and a win against a fighter (Corrales) moving up 2 weight classes. He'll have a hard time at 154.

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I still think you are wrong about Malinaggi

If you read what I wrote about Hatton and Pacquiao. I think I stated something about depends on if they get into too many wars. Thanks for repeating me. Just in case I did not understand when I WROTE it.

I can almost bet money you at one time said Miranda would KO Pavlik as well right?

As for Clottey he broke his hand in what the 6th round?? Margarito still just squeeked by. His other loss is a DQ to Baldomir.

Who is such a huge threat at 154?

Clottey can box decent. Has good Power and a good chin. He is well rounded

So please really point out where my list is so unimaginable?

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Your pick for number 1 is really what makes your list a complete joke. Malinaggi reminds me of another fast fighter who was taught very highly of. Ed Hopson. Only he don't hit as hard as Hopson did. I think he'll suffer the same fate. I did pick Miranda to knock Pavlik out. I was wrong and I gave Pavlik his credit. At no time did I ever have the limited Miranda as a p4p fighter. So I don't see how beating him would make Pavlik a p4p fighter. Especially since I'm going against him again and picking Taylor. As for Clottey? If the question was who can be a future champion. I probably would of picked Clottey. He's a good fighter. But he's not a p4p fighter. 5 years from now Cotto and Williams will most likely be fighting at 154. As will Cintron, Joel Julio and Andre Berto. I don't see Clottey dominating any one of those fighters.

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i gotta agree :coolclick:

paul at #1 stops me from being interested at that list, from that alone its obvious the list is a complete joke. paul will never even reach top 10 p4p, let alone numero uno. He'll always get pounded by elites.

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I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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I gave you credit for your list. Even admitted I stink when it comes to making them. But since you have had more detractors then people who have given at least an honest effort befor shooting your list down I will try.

I just want to state this first. They are in no particular order and I did mention I am not good at P4P list current or future.

1.Paul Malinaggi- I think he will just keep getting better with time

2. Mikkel Kessler-Even if he loses to Calzaghe he will continue to improve

3. Kelly Pavlik- Not a fan but he showed in the Miranda bout he can box as well as fight

4. John Duddy- They are bringing him along at the perfect pace. He is getting better all the time. Assuming He has a decent chin he has a big future ahead of him

5. Miguel Cotto- He gets better and better

6. Ricky Hatton-He will only be 32 or 33 and still have plenty left in him assuming he does not get into too many upcoming wars

7. Juan Diaz- The baby bull has potential as long as he does not get starched by a top guy before then and have his confidence ruined. He is on top of the lightweight division right now but he is still young

8 Manny Pacquiao- He is still just 28 as like Hatton assuming he does not get played out in any wars

9. Nonito Doniare- I do not think the Darchinyan win was a fluke. Even if he loses a re-match this kid has a big future ahead of him

10-Joshua Clottey-The tweo fights he lost were just bad luck. Broken hand and a DQ. If he went ot 154 he would dominate with ease

I tried ;D

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You right. You stink at making lists. Cuz this list is just terrible. Malinaggi is a joke. He'll beat the journeyman fighter (N'dou) but he'll always lose to the top fighters. Duddy is severely overrated. Ancient Yory Boy Campos by all rights beat him. 5 years from now Hatton and Pacquiao will be used up (to many wars). Diaz will be exposed if he ever meets Casamayor. Pavlik is good, but not p4p material. Doniare needs more than just one win. And Clottey is pretty much living off a loss (Margarito) and a win against a fighter (Corrales) moving up 2 weight classes. He'll have a hard time at 154.

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Maybe or Maybe not

I still think you are wrong about Malinaggi

If you read what I wrote about Hatton and Pacquiao. I think I stated something about depends on if they get into too many wars. Thanks for repeating me. Just in case I did not understand when I WROTE it.

I can almost bet money you at one time said Miranda would KO Pavlik as well right?

As for Clottey he broke his hand in what the 6th round?? Margarito still just squeeked by. His other loss is a DQ to Baldomir.

Who is such a huge threat at 154?

Clottey can box decent. Has good Power and a good chin. He is well rounded

So please really point out where my list is so unimaginable?

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Your pick for number 1 is really what makes your list a complete joke. Malinaggi reminds me of another fast fighter who was taught very highly of. Ed Hopson. Only he don't hit as hard as Hopson did. I think he'll suffer the same fate. I did pick Miranda to knock Pavlik out. I was wrong and I gave Pavlik his credit. At no time did I ever have the limited Miranda as a p4p fighter. So I don't see how beating him would make Pavlik a p4p fighter. Especially since I'm going against him again and picking Taylor. As for Clottey? If the question was who can be a future champion. I probably would of picked Clottey. He's a good fighter. But he's not a p4p fighter. 5 years from now Cotto and Williams will most likely be fighting at 154. As will Cintron, Joel Julio and Andre Berto. I don't see Clottey dominating any one of those fighters.

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i gotta agree :coolclick:

paul at #1 stops me from being interested at that list, from that alone its obvious the list is a complete joke. paul will never even reach top 10 p4p, let alone numero uno. He'll always get pounded by elites.

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If you guys are determined to criticise her picks so much at least do her the courtesy of reading her post correctly. She said clearly her rankings were NOT in any order so why are you talking as if Malignaggi is number 1? ??? ::**

#1) B By my calculations in 5 years the Bean will be hittin the scales at a trim & ready 2000lbs.
2) U That averages out to 10- 200 lb'ers & will be so big that he will be forced to have 10 licenses
3) T to compete. This will qualify him for the top 10 spots. He will be voted in by a panel of writers,
4) T sportscasters, fellow fighters, & fans alike. The Bean will wreak havoc on the fighting world
5) E & devour anyone who stands in his way. I have forseen the future. All hail The Bean!!!
6) R :Sarcasm:
7) B Hey, what did u expect. We are trying to predict the future. ;D
8) E
9) A Props to u guys that even give it a shot.
10) N