some may say its too early, but I just can't see anyone beating WLADY.
SAM Peter may be the only one to reach 12 rounds with him, if they rematch.
Ooh wait, VITALY is back ??? unless the brothers fight I can't see anyone beating WLADY.
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some may say its too early, but I just can't see anyone beating WLADY.
SAM Peter may be the only one to reach 12 rounds with him, if they rematch.
Ooh wait, VITALY is back ??? unless the brothers fight I can't see anyone beating WLADY.
Yes the brothers will beat all the others
Dont you think it would be great if one of the brothers shagged the other ones bird and they decided to settle it in the ring?
Would be good to watch ;)
lol @ shag bird.
right now, i dont see any HW beating either klitschko.
Yes brotherly dispute over a wife would be Foockin great my money is on Vatali ;D ;D
I'll be honest I would also like to call Wladdy undisputed but I just can't there still about 2 more fights I'd like to see him take (which he would pick up a belt or 2 in the process).
Walddy vs. Peter II
Winner of - Ibragimov vs. Chagaev
Guys get over it they won't fight each other.
Yes Wladimir is THE MAN of the division right now and when Vitali comes back he'll be the only one who could beat Wladimir and vice versa.
No one thinks Wladimir could give Vitali a go of it??? He's faster younger and he IMO hits harder and he moves better...Vitali is tough but they are brothers the differences can't be too big
so far thats where i have to disagree with you. IMO Vitali hits a hellova lot harder than Wlad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I would agree ,but Im not ready to say Sam cant beat Waldi. Didnt he knock him down three times in there first meeting? I think Sam is a better fighter now than he was then also. He hits pretty hard and Waldi does have the suspect (I wouldnt say china ) chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Ill declare him undisputed,when he unifies
Until then hes the best in the division right now
.....Wladimir has over 10 more KO's than VitaliQuote:
Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
44 out of 49Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
34 out of 35
The only guy whose been able to take Vitali the distance is Timo Hoffman,who nobodies been able to KO
Winner of - Ibragimov vs. Chagaev MickMyMan
Hell, yeah.
What sickens me is that it is starting to look like Wlad will have three belts after beating Chagaev (sorry, Sal) and Vitali will have one after beating Peter. Of course that will leave the divison deadlocked until Vitali climbs back into his hole--his deep, dark, hole.
I hope Peter can topple Vitali and we'll see Peter Vs. Wlad for all the marbles.
Sam is going to get humiliated by Oleg Maskaev much less VITALI.
You said it for me..Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
he may have 10 more ko's than vitali, but thats because
he has faced more opponents..
wlad has 4 ko's since vitali retired in 2004
Dont forget
vitali has a better percentage over97% (wlad over 89%)
Vitali also has 2 knockouts over people wlad couldnt handle. (i know we have a different wlad now, but you cant ignore that one)
Well Wlad has a KO over a guy Vitali couldn't handle
I hope your not talkin about chris byrd?
But in the case that you are, ill give you this scenario
ok so 2 for vitali 1 for wlad
vitali still wins?
Also, would vitali have won that fight if he didnt get injured? (torn rotator cuff :o)
dont forget the judges scorecard when Vitali quit on his stool due to his shoulder injury, but incase you did forget here it is
Judge: Melvina Lathan 88-83
Judge: Ruben Garcia 89-82
Judge: Joachim Jacobsen 88-83
I mean we can only speculate what would of happend, however the facts still point to vitali being MUCH more powerful than wlad.
I think vitaly has an inner strenght that wlady lacks. wlady does hit like a ton of hammer with his right hand, but vitaly is fatally strong. VITALY has never been drop, unlike wlady. I think if they ever fight, VITALY will always win because he has that mental advantage over his kid brother.
This is kinda like rafa and jmm, both nearly equal but the bigger brother has that bullying intense the kid brother will lack if they ever fight.
I'm declaring the winner between Chagaev and Sultan the undisputed champ, perhaps this will bring Wlad out of hiding.
I'm sorry Julius Rain but somehow I see him as you and some more picture him - Wlady, the Steal Teddy Hamm(Be)ar - the guy cracked in 1998, 2003 and 2004 didn't he ? - will surely crack up again before 2009
Whilst i believe him to be the best heavy out there right now, he has not proved it completeley.... to many times in boxing have i seen sure thing sin boxing not happen...
I know the IBF are complete cunts and will be at fault for osme of the bums wlad has been in with BUT he has had the belt for some time now... Why hasn't he been faced with a real contender yet? 3 other champions out there you can't honestly tell me at the time none of them had the stones to fight him? maybe, maybe it was jsut unlucky with one being free one veing forced to fight someone by their ABC belt...
But heres a thought, why no Wlad v Valuev next? If Wlad wants to be considered the best out there Valuev would be a good test for us to judge... All the other champions are tied up, i don't know why he came out with that shit about looking to fight one of the other champions next when he knows full fucking well they are all tied up either fighting eachother or making a mand...
He is free now to pick whom ever he wants next, so if he fights a bum im really gunna be pissed the fuck off... Valuev or the Olympic champ is IMO who he should be looking at... Sure Valuev aint no all time great, but he will be a tough test, only just lost his belt to chagev... will give us an idea how big wlad will fair off with the others after that match...
Seriously, why can i see the winner of skelton v sporrt fucking fighting wlad...?
out of hiding?Quote:
Originally Posted by joedadi
make sense pls
u no wat i love all u guys, but no one cares who you announced undisputed champ cuz thats just not the case
You're breakin' my heart, Lyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Sorry mate, but I have to say that I declare Evander Holyfield as the Undisputed Champ. You see the problem is that you can't really declare him the undisputed champ, because there is a rather significant dispute about it, therefore he can't be undisputed. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
To be honest I would say that the winner of Ibragimov v Chagaev in the autumn has a greater claim to it, because I just don't think that wins over Brewster, Brock, Austin and Byrd is the pedigree for an undisputed champion. Maybe a win over whomever comes out of the WBC kerfuffle in 8 or 9 months time might make me change my mind though.
Maybe Corrie Sanders will come out of retirement and knock him out in two rounds again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
The heavyweight division is such a shower of shi12t right now that he may well be the best, but who cares they're all rubbish.
IMO Byrd(whos style I never liked) would get a UD over Ibragimov or Chagaev. Wlad pretty much killed the guy(Byrd) twice. I doubt Wlad would have much problems with these 2 guys. Think about it like this:if you had to bet your LIFE on a Wlad fight vs any current fighter,would you REALLY bet against him?Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
So why do you think ibragimov or Chagaev has a greater claim to it ??? Brewster, Brock, Austin and Byrd are better names then those two em I right?Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Nope, put simply I reckon Ibragimov would beat all four of them, and Chagaev would only be pushed by Byrd. Sorry, but those four guys just don't cut it at title level, and it's a darn good thing we're a little better off than when we had Byrd as a world champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
And to answer 1st Rnd KOs question....i wouldn't bet my life on any of the heavyweights we have at the moment, as they all have flaws. And also there is a big difference between believing Wlad could beat them, and declaring him undisputed champion, cause the other three champions have a fair claim on it too.
Lyle...Wlad couldn't humiliate Peter but you pick Oleg to?
I pick Oleg to beat Peter too.
There aren't many fighters out there for Wlad to fight at the moment, while he's waiting for a unification the only guys I'd like to see him fight would be one of the previous champs who didn't lose by much, Lyakovich or Valuev.
I know Valuev is ranked at #1 by the WBA, but that belt's in limbo, so maybe we could see him in with Wladimir in the autumn? I reckon it would provie a decent challenge, cause Wladimir won't have ever faced anyone like Valuev before, and although he doesn't punch his weight, he still punches hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
...I'd say knocking a guy down 3 times and not winning much less not having a close fight is pretty humiliating ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by amat
I only said Oleg would humiliate him because if Oleg just wins it'll be humiliating...I want Sam Peter to be very good because that way he's a good fighter for Wlad to have on his resume