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correct punching range??
I appolagize in advance for all the questions :-[ but i do seem to be full of them this week ???So here goes...How can you determine when you are in proper punching range so that you are not over reaching with youre punches with being too far or smothering your punches by being too close and also what would you class as long range mid range and close range by that i mean say for instance at long range i can land the jab and the right cross but am too far away to land a hook or uppercut,at mid range i can land any punch and at close range i can land hooks and uppercuts but am too close to throw straight punches....does that sound about right?
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Depends on your fighting stance
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sorry i mean in youre orthodox fighting stance...
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Originally Posted by cocobeware
sorry i mean in youre orthodox fighting stance...
Go work nothing but you jab on the bag
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Sometimes you can paw with the jab to find your range..Although you must be careful with it not to be countered..
And if you just throw out a jab to see how close you can get to an opponent and step in with the jab then you will find the jab
then the rest will come easyer with the jab
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
Sometimes you can paw with the jab to find your range..Although you must be careful with it not to be countered..
And if you just throw out a jab to see how close you can get to an opponent and step in with the jab then you will find the jab
then the rest will come easyer with the jab
NEVER PAW WITH YOUR JAB
I FREAKING HATE THAT
Spend the time on the bag to learn your range
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The correct punching range The answer is there isnt one its all adjustment to whats on offer
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
Sometimes you can paw with the jab to find your range..Although you must be careful with it not to be countered..
And if you just throw out a jab to see how close you can get to an opponent and step in with the jab then you will find the jab
then the rest will come easyer with the jab
NEVER PAW WITH YOUR JAB
I FREAKING HATE THAT
Spend the time on the bag to learn your range
tell that to RJJ. lol. His jab was almost purely for range finding. I know, I know... we're not RJJs. ;D
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Originally Posted by Scrap
The correct punching range The answer is there isnt one its all adjustment to whats on offer
Right on Scrap. :)
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about this dont paw with the jab stuff...i think it should be mentioned that if you are confident in doing it, and you are aware enough of the risk and reward, there is really nothing wrong with it. i am a southpaw and my range with my right hand is my strong point, i dont need to paw to find range, i paw to get the other dudes hands moving and voila, openings are made. its no different than any other tactic of baiting your opponent, you just gotta know you are doing it and have the proper response plan. so dont necessarily assume its a bad thing. i knocked a dude out that outweighed me by 60 pounds with 18 oz. gloves and headgear on simply because of pawing and drawing.
as far as finding your range. dont even use the heavy bag, use the double end bag. just jab it all day until you feel you know what it's doing, then step away from it further and jab from long range, then close the gap and jab from close in when it is going away from you...much more practical range finder than the heavy bag.
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If you're going to paw you should be very reserved about it, even if you're using it to draw an opponent in. A lot of guys that keep their arm out there are running that risk of being set up.
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of course...boxing is a sequence of events, actions and reactions and more actions. saying that you should be reserved about pawing is like saying you should be reserved about throwing right hands because you run the risk of being set up, or you should be reserved about circling left because you run the risk of being set up, or you should be reserved about the rock-1-2-1 because you "should never pull away from punches"...there are a lot of things in boxing that get taught as just universally bad, and nothing is universally bad, fighters do things differently and it is up to the trainer and the fighter to find these things and shape the individuals style out of it. i remember when jason litzau got knocked out and people said "maybe now he'll learn to keep his hands up" and his supporters said "you've never seen anyone get knocked out with their hands up before?" you trying to set me up by letting me paw is no different than me setting you up by pawing so that you will try to fire a few bombs my way. its just a different link in the chain of events.
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good thinking space, Iknow of akid who boxed with his hands down was 22 and 0 changed trainers got his hands up his next 2 fights got KOd in the !st both times cc
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
Sometimes you can paw with the jab to find your range..Although you must be careful with it not to be countered..
And if you just throw out a jab to see how close you can get to an opponent and step in with the jab then you will find the jab
then the rest will come easyer with the jab
NEVER PAW WITH YOUR JAB
I FREAKING HATE THAT
Spend the time on the bag to learn your range
;D i know i know..Most trainers hate that! Lol..I do understand the consequences of it though..
Dont make a habit of it.. But if your confident you can take punches and your trying to find range its a neccessary evil sometimes :P
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Originally Posted by Von Milash
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
Sometimes you can paw with the jab to find your range..Although you must be careful with it not to be countered..
And if you just throw out a jab to see how close you can get to an opponent and step in with the jab then you will find the jab
then the rest will come easyer with the jab
NEVER PAW WITH YOUR JAB
I FREAKING HATE THAT
Spend the time on the bag to learn your range
tell that to RJJ. lol. His jab was almost purely for range finding. I know, I know... we're not RJJs. ;D
Wanna try dancing back with your hands down?
Ali did that all the time ;D
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
Sometimes you can paw with the jab to find your range..Although you must be careful with it not to be countered..
And if you just throw out a jab to see how close you can get to an opponent and step in with the jab then you will find the jab
then the rest will come easyer with the jab
NEVER PAW WITH YOUR JAB
I FREAKING HATE THAT
Spend the time on the bag to learn your range
;D i know i know..Most trainers hate that! Lol..I do understand the consequences of it though..
Dont make a habit of it.. But if your confident you can take punches and your trying to find range its a neccessary evil sometimes :P
One of my biggest pet peaves,actually it might be THE biggest
Id rather have a fighter,who can snap it off at the last minute
Thats the thing with Holmes,sometimes it looks like hes pawing,he isnt,he snaps his jabs off,when he sees it wont land he pulls it off
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I suppose at the same time you might consider what is worse..
Pawing all the way out to find range or pawwing/ putting it out as feints.. I probably fient as much with it
If it werent for fients i would not land atall with alot of my partners..Lol
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Originally Posted by Von Milash
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
Sometimes you can paw with the jab to find your range..Although you must be careful with it not to be countered..
And if you just throw out a jab to see how close you can get to an opponent and step in with the jab then you will find the jab
then the rest will come easyer with the jab
NEVER PAW WITH YOUR JAB
I FREAKING HATE THAT
Spend the time on the bag to learn your range
tell that to RJJ. lol. His jab was almost purely for range finding. I know, I know... we're not RJJs. ;D
Roy had a Jab? :P
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I'll 2nd the never paw with ur jab comment. Atleast at this stage of your game. Spend ur time developing a good solid jab. I'll also 2nd the statement about adjusting to what's the correct punch to throw at the correct time. The only thing that I'll add is, when ur punching don't overextend/reach & dont get your chin up/lean back.
Crawl before u walk & walk before u run. I know that to some it may sound boring. But this is what will make u a better boxer in the future. If ur lookin to try n be flashy n not develop to be the best u can, then by all means paw, drop ur hands, put on a show, that's totally up to u. At this point if u start doing things besides practicing solid basics that's all u will do is create bad habits. Put in the time to become solid & there will be time to expand ur game later. Now is the time to develop solid fundamentals.
A good jab will do wonders for u. Ur own jab can become ur best friend or ur worst enemy when the goin gets tuff. Take it for what it's worth, but keep in mind that u could possibly be getting some very sound advice from someone who's been there & done that. And no, I'm not a trainer.
Good luck.
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
I suppose at the same time you might consider what is worse..
Pawing all the way out to find range or pawwing/ putting it out as feints.. I probably fient as much with it
If it werent for fients i would not land atall with alot of my partners..Lol
Feints/Paw in a nutshell
Hopkins/Tarver
Tarver wants to paw out there to find range,Hopkins slaps it quickly so Tarver can never comfortably find range.
Meanwhile Hopkins is constantly shifting his shoulders so you can never tell when he's coming,he's using his body movement as a feint
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
I suppose at the same time you might consider what is worse..
Pawing all the way out to find range or pawwing/ putting it out as feints.. I probably fient as much with it
If it werent for fients i would not land atall with alot of my partners..Lol
Feints/Paw in a nutshell
Hopkins/Tarver
Tarver wants to paw out there to find range,Hopkins slaps it quickly so Tarver can never comfortably find range.
Meanwhile Hopkins is constantly shifting his shoulders so you can never tell when he's coming,he's using his body movement as a feint
Good example, cc. He keeps you guessing. Anyways have you seen that sneaky right hand of Hopkins? He likes to keep it out of sight when he's standing sideways to his opponent, then boom out of nowhere he lands it. ;D I believe that he learned that move from the great Archie Moore.
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Originally Posted by Chris N.
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
I suppose at the same time you might consider what is worse..
Pawing all the way out to find range or pawwing/ putting it out as feints.. I probably fient as much with it
If it werent for fients i would not land atall with alot of my partners..Lol
Feints/Paw in a nutshell
Hopkins/Tarver
Tarver wants to paw out there to find range,Hopkins slaps it quickly so Tarver can never comfortably find range.
Meanwhile Hopkins is constantly shifting his shoulders so you can never tell when he's coming,he's using his body movement as a feint
Good example, cc. He keeps you guessing. Anyways have you seen that sneaky right hand of Hopkins? He likes to keep it out of sight when he's standing sideways to his opponent, then boom out of nowhere he lands it. ;D I believe that he learned that move from the great Archie Moore.
Another thing he does exceptionaly with the right,his uppercut in a clinch is like a ghost,he looks like he doesnt have position in the clinch,and then BAM there it is
One of the reasons I love watching him fight,is he can do so many different things well
Hell the only reason he lost the Taylor fights(debatable)was punching rate,it certainly wasnt his ability to hit him
Stupid cant repeat a Karma action
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Hopkins learns from the best, he has a lot of control, he keeps to a pace, he's economical with his footwork. It's surprising how a lot of great fighters fight with their feet so wide apart and yet are so mobile.
Perhaps in his fight with Tailor, maybe Tailor was the house fighter on both those occasions. I think they backed the wrong fighter, I'd rather see a Hopkins fight again instead of another unimpressive Tailor fight.
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Originally Posted by Chris N.
Hopkins learns from the best, he has a lot of control, he keeps to a pace, he's economical with his footwork. It's surprising how a lot of great fighters fight with their feet so wide apart and yet are so mobile.
Perhaps in his fight with Tailor, maybe Tailor was the house fighter on both those occasions. I think they backed the wrong fighter, I'd rather see a Hopkins fight again instead of another unimpressive Tailor fight.
Well,lets call a spade a spade,Abrum and King have been desperate to pry those belts off of Bernard for a VERY long time
Tito was supposed to do it,but well.......................
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You can see that it didn't work out for them, Tailor couldn't sell a stadium out being the house fighter in his own backyard.
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Originally Posted by Chris N.
You can see that it didn't work out for them, Tailor couldn't sell a stadium out being the house fighter in his own backyard.
In a way it did,Jermain will sign on the dotted line without having an army of lawyers going over it first
Bernards allways looking for the "Bernard gets screwed out of money" clause in the contract
He was originally trained by Frazier,he knows not to trust these guys
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the only time I paw is when I'm up against a guy with less reach. I just keep it in his face....then pop it once in a while from short range... but my main goal is to block his view then catch him with my right over the top.
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You know what he said about Bob Arum, "A necessary evil." He wanted to make the extra money so he goes with the promoter that can make the most of it. Hopkins has always been carefully meticulous, always looking who the judges are, the referee is and that invisible "Screw Bernard Hopkins Clause" in his contracts, in a way it reminds me of Ray Robinson's business sense. But in the end he's looking for the most money.
The thing with Jermaine Tailor is the promoters are going to go the other way unless we see something that makes Tailor a big draw again. Just like Hopkins they're waiting for another fighter that can sell more tickets to take his spot.
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Originally Posted by Chris N.
You know what he said about Bob Arum, "A necessary evil." He wanted to make the extra money so he goes with the promoter that can make the most of it. Hopkins has always been carefully meticulous, always looking who the judges are, the referee is and that invisible "Screw Bernard Hopkins Clause" in his contracts, in a way it reminds me of Ray Robinson's business sense. But in the end he's looking for the most money.
The thing with Jermaine Tailor is the promoters are going to go the other way unless we see something that makes Tailor a big draw again. Just like Hopkins they're waiting for another fighter that can sell more tickets to take his spot.
A great example of Bernards "faith" in judges is the Echols fight
After Echols hip tosses him,and seperates Bernards shoulder,the Doctor comes over to check him,he just keeps repeating "I aint goin out like that"
So he goes on to fight a round and a half with only his left
The amazing thing,is he clearly won both those rounds
Talk about "with one hand tied behind my back"
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Originally Posted by Von Milash
the only time I paw is when I'm up against a guy with less reach. I just keep it in his face....then pop it once in a while from short range... but my main goal is to block his view then catch him with my right over the top.
It can work both ways, you should check out the "How did Walcott land this punch" thread. It shows how pawing or leaving your hand out for a split second can become cannon fodder for the sharp counterpuncher.
I think Ali was had a good sense of range although he tended to stay out of range a lot of the time. The thing is he could circle and punch effortlessly at the same time. He also didn't commit to most of his jabs, he said he imagined it as if it was a flyswatter this kept out of the hot seat that a lot of us find ourselves in when we try to hit hard. He could snap it out quickly like radar, if he misses it didn't matter, if he landed it you can guarantee there would be more hands on the way.
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Originally Posted by Chris N.
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Originally Posted by Von Milash
the only time I paw is when I'm up against a guy with less reach. I just keep it in his face....then pop it once in a while from short range... but my main goal is to block his view then catch him with my right over the top.
It can work both ways, you should check out the "How did Walcott land this punch" thread. It shows how pawing or leaving your hand out for a split second can become cannon fodder for the sharp counterpuncher.
I think Ali was had a good sense of range although he tended to stay out of range a lot of the time. The thing is he could circle and punch effortlessly at the same time. He also didn't commit to most of his jabs, he said he imagined it as if it was a flyswatter this kept out of the hot seat that a lot of us find ourselves in when we try to hit hard. He could snap it out quickly like radar, if he misses it didn't matter, if he landed it you can guarantee there would be more hands on the way.
Interesting to note two great jabbers,Ali and Holmes,had an ability to commit to driving the jab,AFTER theyd started to throw it
