Hatton : Mayweather must make light-welter to fight me

Ricky Hatton's father, Ray, said yesterday that Floyd Mayweather would have to come down to light-welterweight if he wanted to figure in a contest between the two undefeated fighters in November.

Mayweather's last contest was at light-middleweight, one stone heavier than Hatton's division, and the American has since indicated that he will now fight as a welterweight, at 10st 7lb. Ray Hatton's statement seems to rule out the possibility of a Hatton-Mayweather fight this year, with New York's Paulie Malignaggi, the WBA light-welterweight champion, still most likely to get the Hatton engagement.


http://sport.guardian.co.uk/boxing/s...125503,00.html


The Hatton camp know Mayweather is never going to come down to 140. They're ducking him. Maybe they're ducking because they think they can make more money with alternative fights, that's the most charitable way of looking at this. I wonder what PBF will have to say about it. :)

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The Hatton camp know Mayweather is never going to come down to 140. They're ducking him. Maybe they're ducking because they think they can make more money with alternative fights, that's the most charitable way of looking at this. I wonder what PBF will have to say about it. :)

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Yep. If Hatton won't fight above 140, then he's basically ending any chance of this fight happening. Mayweather's not coming below 147, and he shouldn't have to.
As for what Mayweather will say about it, he'll say Hatton's ducking him, and he'll be right.

I'd like to see a Hatton-Malignaggi fight. It will be interesting to see what Floyd decides to do.

Personally even though I'm a patriotic Brit I'd love to see Floyd drop down two divisions and come to England and knock Hatton spark out in Wembley Stadium.

If Hatton won't move up one division to fight a guy whose a natural lightweight in the biggest possible fight against the world's premier fighter then personally I have no interest in what he does from here on.

Let him go after the Malignaggi's and Vivian Harris' of the world whilst the real players like Floyd and Cotto get on with fighting each other.

He shouldn't have too much trouble with Hatton even at 140 he's only weighed 150 at his highest. I know its all muscle, but he has what almost 4 months to lose it? REgardless Hatton is being a pussy and they should fight at 145. The funniest thing is that Hatton is naturally about 30 pounds heavier than Mayweather, and the bigger the weight the more it suits him.

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Personally even though I'm a patriotic Brit I'd love to see Floyd drop down two divisions and come to England and knock Hatton spark out in Wembley Stadium.

If Hatton won't move up one division to fight a guy whose a natural lightweight then personally I have no interest in what he does from here on.

Let him go after the Malignaggi's and Vivian Harris' of the world whilst the real players like Floyd and Cotto get on with fighting each other.

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Mayweather was more of a natural super-featherweight than anything else.

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Personally even though I'm a patriotic Brit I'd love to see Floyd drop down two divisions and come to England and knock Hatton spark out in Wembley Stadium.

If Hatton won't move up one division to fight a guy whose a natural lightweight then personally I have no interest in what he does from here on.

Let him go after the Malignaggi's and Vivian Harris' of the world whilst the real players like Floyd and Cotto get on with fighting each other.

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Mayweather was more of a natural super-featherweight than anything else.

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Exactly, Hatton just shows time and again that even he doesn't believe he's good enough to be great.

If I were Hatton, unbeaten and hungry to prove myself against the world's best I'd be going flat out to make this fight. Since when has any world champion had to be dictated the terms by a challenger let alone the p4p best in the world?

Hatton is a joker, he likes to shout Floyd's name about and try and convince the media and boxing fans that he's in that class but he clearly knows he doesn't belong as evidenced by his actions and comments.

A 145 catchweight would be the fairest thing to do. If not that then PBF could make 140 if he wanted to. I mean what's he worried about, PBF being a strong, brute type fighter? I don't like the move by the Hatton camp to pull this. It makes me wonder if he really wants this fight.

Hatton needs PBF more than PBF needs Hatton IMO. It will play itself out one way or another. But whatever does happen, no one can blame PBF if this fight does'nt get made at this point.

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A 145 catchweight would be the fairest thing to do. If not that then PBF could make 140 if he wanted to. I mean what's he worried about, PBF being a strong, brute type fighter? I don't like the move by the Hatton camp to pull this. It makes me wonder if he really wants this fight.

Hatton needs PBF more than PBF needs Hatton IMO. It will play itself out one way or another. But whatever does happen, no one can blame PBF if this fight does'nt get made at this point.

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To be honest fighting Hatton adds no more to Floyd's resume than fighting Baldimor or Gatti imo.

Honestly who even cares about Hatton? I'd rather see Floyd in with Cotto, Margarito, Mosely, Ouma, Karmazin, Spinks, hell even Mayorga or Vargas.

I have to disagree a little in that Hatton with his ability to close the gap, and fight the exact fight that gives Mayweather problems means he is a more dangerous fighter to face Mayweather than Vargas(who can't get down to 154), Mayorga(who I doubt can get down to it anymore), Ouma(who isn't good enough), Karmazin(who isn't wellk known). I think Hatton also gives Mayweather more troubles than Margarito.

I think the hardest fight for him is Spinks, but Spinks would have had to win the 160, and come back down for that to happen. I felt he beat Taylor, but he didn't on the scorecards.

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I have to disagree a little in that Hatton with his ability to close the gap, and fight the exact fight that gives Mayweather problems means he is a more dangerous fighter to face Mayweather than Vargas(who can't get down to 154), Mayorga(who I doubt can get down to it anymore), Ouma(who isn't good enough), Karmazin(who isn't wellk known). I think Hatton also gives Mayweather more troubles than Margarito.

I think the hardest fight for him is Spinks, but Spinks would have had to win the 160, and come back down for that to happen. I felt he beat Taylor, but he didn't on the scorecards.

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Disagree here with the points in bold. Hatton is not the type of fighter who can give Floyd problems at this point, in fact, he's the exact antithesis of the type of fighter who can beat Floyd. Hatton is short, with short arms, and no jab. This is the type of fighter that can be picked apart by a fighter like Floyd.
It's been proven over and over again that the weapon that neutralizes a great speed/defense fighter like Floyd is a long authorative jab. Hatton doesn't have the ability or the body type to beat a Mayweather-type fighter.

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A 145 catchweight would be the fairest thing to do. If not that then PBF could make 140 if he wanted to. I mean what's he worried about, PBF being a strong, brute type fighter? I don't like the move by the Hatton camp to pull this. It makes me wonder if he really wants this fight.

Hatton needs PBF more than PBF needs Hatton IMO. It will play itself out one way or another. But whatever does happen, no one can blame PBF if this fight does'nt get made at this point.

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To be honest fighting Hatton adds no more to Floyd's resume than fighting Baldimor or Gatti imo.

Honestly who even cares about Hatton? I'd rather see Floyd in with Cotto, Margarito, Mosely, Ouma, Karmazin, Spinks, hell even Mayorga or Vargas.

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Yeah, but Hatton is undefeated & has a HUGE following. It's a fight that can be hyped to the hills. That's a good thing for boxing. And it's a BIG $$$ fight for both guys.

I actually would also like to see PBF vs Cotto or Mosely to. But this fight does makes sense. And it would only be good for boxing. I beleive that PBF would put a clinic on Hatton. But I also think that Hatton is a damn good fighter & I take nothing away from him. IMO Cotto & Mosely would have the best chances to take PBF out.

And u gotta be honest. Even if ur not a beleiver in Hatton, do u really beleive that this would be the same as a fight vs Baldomir or Gatti?

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I have to disagree a little in that Hatton with his ability to close the gap, and fight the exact fight that gives Mayweather problems means he is a more dangerous fighter to face Mayweather than Vargas(who can't get down to 154), Mayorga(who I doubt can get down to it anymore), Ouma(who isn't good enough), Karmazin(who isn't wellk known). I think Hatton also gives Mayweather more troubles than Margarito.

I think the hardest fight for him is Spinks, but Spinks would have had to win the 160, and come back down for that to happen. I felt he beat Taylor, but he didn't on the scorecards.

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Disagree here with the points in bold. Hatton is not the type of fighter who can give Floyd problems at this point, in fact, he's the exact antithesis of the type of fighter who can beat Floyd. Hatton is short, with short arms, and no jab. This is the type of fighter that can be picked apart by a fighter like Floyd.
It's been proven over and over again that the weapon that neutralizes a great speed/defense fighter like Floyd is a long authorative jab. Hatton doesn't have the ability or the body type to beat a Mayweather-type fighter.

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:coolclick: I agree completely I think Floyd would destroy Hatton, it wouldn't even be a fight. For me big strong guys like Margarito, Williams and even Cintron would present a far bigger challenge to Floyd as he'd stuggle to get close enough to do damage and then get away.

Hatton with his stubby little arms wouldn't even get close to landing in a 100 rounds let alone 12.

It's a complete mismatch imo.

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A 145 catchweight would be the fairest thing to do. If not that then PBF could make 140 if he wanted to. I mean what's he worried about, PBF being a strong, brute type fighter? I don't like the move by the Hatton camp to pull this. It makes me wonder if he really wants this fight.

Hatton needs PBF more than PBF needs Hatton IMO. It will play itself out one way or another. But whatever does happen, no one can blame PBF if this fight does'nt get made at this point.

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To be honest fighting Hatton adds no more to Floyd's resume than fighting Baldimor or Gatti imo.

Honestly who even cares about Hatton? I'd rather see Floyd in with Cotto, Margarito, Mosely, Ouma, Karmazin, Spinks, hell even Mayorga or Vargas.

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And u gotta be honest. Even if ur not a beleiver in Hatton, do u really beleive that this would be the same as a fight vs Baldomir or Gatti?

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Once it's all done and over I think that is exactly how it will be viewed. Remember Gatti had a huge fanbase who were deluded into believing he could outmuscle Floyd and Baldimor was the undisputed linear champion at 147 with wins over Judah and Gatti.

It's only the complete ease with which Floyd beat them that clouds judgement in retrospect.

We've seen the same again already with his win over Oscar.

He fights Hatton, he beats him easily and people will just say Hatton was an overatted, over protected European fighter who was way too small for Floyd and that in taking the fight he was just avoiding Cotto or Mosely.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Ricky Hatton's father, Ray, said yesterday that Floyd Mayweather would have to come down to light-welterweight if he wanted to figure in a contest between the two undefeated fighters in November.

Mayweather's last contest was at light-middleweight, one stone heavier than Hatton's division, and the American has since indicated that he will now fight as a welterweight, at 10st 7lb. Ray Hatton's statement seems to rule out the possibility of a Hatton-Mayweather fight this year, with New York's Paulie Malignaggi, the WBA light-welterweight champion, still most likely to get the Hatton engagement.


http://sport.guardian.co.uk/boxing/s...125503,00.html


The Hatton camp know Mayweather is never going to come down to 140. They're ducking him. Maybe they're ducking because they think they can make more money with alternative fights, that's the most charitable way of looking at this. I wonder what PBF will have to say about it. :)

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It's pretty much Hatton coming to his sense's. He knows he can't beat Mayweather. So he makes an unreasonable demand to make sure the fight doesn't happen. Hatton doesn't have to fight Mayweather. I'm pretty sure fighting the winner of Souleymane M'baye-Gavin Rees will be just as big.

I'm a bigger fan of Hatton than I am of PBF, but it certainly looks like Hatton is scared of going up to 147 again. I'd love to see this fight, though it doesn't look too promising right now. It doesn't really matter what weight they fight at anyways, Hatton is taylor-made for PBF, and Floyd stops Hatton and makes it look easy at any weight.

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I'm a bigger fan of Hatton than I am of PBF, but it certainly looks like Hatton is scared of going up to 147 again. I'd love to see this fight, though it doesn't look too promising right now. It doesn't really matter what weight they fight at anyways, Hatton is taylor-made for PBF, and Floyd stops Hatton and makes it look easy at any weight.

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Why not 140 then? I have heard so many PBF fans stating he has fought beyond his natural weight to show how great he is. Does anyone really think 140 would be hard for Floyd?

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I'm a bigger fan of Hatton than I am of PBF, but it certainly looks like Hatton is scared of going up to 147 again. I'd love to see this fight, though it doesn't look too promising right now. It doesn't really matter what weight they fight at anyways, Hatton is taylor-made for PBF, and Floyd stops Hatton and makes it look easy at any weight.

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Why not 140 then? I have heard so many PBF fans stating he has fought beyond his natural weight to show how great he is. Does anyone really think 140 would be hard for Floyd?

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I certainly do think Floyd could make 140 but why should he dance to the challengers tune?

If a lion is eating a zebra carcass a Hyena nearby can be as loud an aggressive as it likes...............providing it keeps at a safe distance.

It can win a 'moral' victory over the lion with taunts and shreaks and the lion is unlikely to bother to get up and chase it.

If the Hyena is foolish enough to actually advance on the lion however and take the meat then the lion will kill it and quickly.

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I have to disagree a little in that Hatton with his ability to close the gap, and fight the exact fight that gives Mayweather problems means he is a more dangerous fighter to face Mayweather than Vargas(who can't get down to 154), Mayorga(who I doubt can get down to it anymore), Ouma(who isn't good enough), Karmazin(who isn't wellk known). I think Hatton also gives Mayweather more troubles than Margarito.

I think the hardest fight for him is Spinks, but Spinks would have had to win the 160, and come back down for that to happen. I felt he beat Taylor, but he didn't on the scorecards.

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Disagree here with the points in bold. Hatton is not the type of fighter who can give Floyd problems at this point, in fact, he's the exact antithesis of the type of fighter who can beat Floyd. Hatton is short, with short arms, and no jab. This is the type of fighter that can be picked apart by a fighter like Floyd.
It's been proven over and over again that the weapon that neutralizes a great speed/defense fighter like Floyd is a long authorative jab. Hatton doesn't have the ability or the body type to beat a Mayweather-type fighter.

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It's a complete mismatch imo.

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I have to disagree a little in that Hatton with his ability to close the gap, and fight the exact fight that gives Mayweather problems means he is a more dangerous fighter to face Mayweather than Vargas(who can't get down to 154), Mayorga(who I doubt can get down to it anymore), Ouma(who isn't good enough), Karmazin(who isn't wellk known). I think Hatton also gives Mayweather more troubles than Margarito.

I think the hardest fight for him is Spinks, but Spinks would have had to win the 160, and come back down for that to happen. I felt he beat Taylor, but he didn't on the scorecards.

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Disagree here with the points in bold. Hatton is not the type of fighter who can give Floyd problems at this point, in fact, he's the exact antithesis of the type of fighter who can beat Floyd. Hatton is short, with short arms, and no jab. This is the type of fighter that can be picked apart by a fighter like Floyd.
It's been proven over and over again that the weapon that neutralizes a great speed/defense fighter like Floyd is a long authorative jab. Hatton doesn't have the ability or the body type to beat a Mayweather-type fighter.

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:coolclick: I agree completely I think Floyd would destroy Hatton, it wouldn't even be a fight. For me big strong guys like Margarito, Williams and even Cintron would present a far bigger challenge to Floyd as he'd stuggle to get close enough to do damage and then get away.

Hatton with his stubby little arms wouldn't even get close to landing in a 100 rounds let alone 12.

It's a complete mismatch imo.

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That could very well be the case. And again for the record I see PBF puttin it on Hatton if this fight were to happen. But we do have to consider that this is still a business. And protected or not, This is A guy that has strung together 43 consecutive wins & 0 losses. IMO it's a hard argument to win that he doesn't deserve the shot. It also doesn't hurt that he has a whole damn country buying tickets to watch him fight.

As far as the Gatti-Hatton comparison IMO it's a bit unfair. Gatti's fanbase was big. But not close to Hatton's. Gatti had also already established a pattern of losing when he stepped to the top echelon guys. Hatton had IMO only had 2 cracks at top echelon guys, Kostya & Castillo. Although in hindsight it seems that both of their better days were behind them, he was succesful when he got the chance. It was the opposite for Gatti.

If we are just talikng about who may be able to take PBF out. IMO Mosely & Cotto would have the best chances of that. But it is a business & like it or not this fight makes sense & is good for boxing.

For people to suggest that Cintron & Williams should be fighting PBF before Hatton. Well IMO that's just waayyy off at this point.

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I have to disagree a little in that Hatton with his ability to close the gap, and fight the exact fight that gives Mayweather problems means he is a more dangerous fighter to face Mayweather than Vargas(who can't get down to 154), Mayorga(who I doubt can get down to it anymore), Ouma(who isn't good enough), Karmazin(who isn't wellk known). I think Hatton also gives Mayweather more troubles than Margarito.

I think the hardest fight for him is Spinks, but Spinks would have had to win the 160, and come back down for that to happen. I felt he beat Taylor, but he didn't on the scorecards.

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Disagree here with the points in bold. Hatton is not the type of fighter who can give Floyd problems at this point, in fact, he's the exact antithesis of the type of fighter who can beat Floyd. Hatton is short, with short arms, and no jab. This is the type of fighter that can be picked apart by a fighter like Floyd.
It's been proven over and over again that the weapon that neutralizes a great speed/defense fighter like Floyd is a long authorative jab. Hatton doesn't have the ability or the body type to beat a Mayweather-type fighter.

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:coolclick: I agree completely I think Floyd would destroy Hatton, it wouldn't even be a fight. For me big strong guys like Margarito, Williams and even Cintron would present a far bigger challenge to Floyd as he'd stuggle to get close enough to do damage and then get away.

Hatton with his stubby little arms wouldn't even get close to landing in a 100 rounds let alone 12.

It's a complete mismatch imo.

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That could very well be the case. And again for the record I see PBF puttin it on Hatton if this fight were to happen. But we do have to consider that this is still a business. And protected or not, This is A guy that has strung together 43 consecutive wins & 0 losses. IMO it's a hard argument to win that he doesn't deserve the shot. It also doesn't hurt that he has a whole damn country buying tickets to watch him fight.

As far as the Gatti-Hatton comparison IMO it's a bit unfair. Gatti's fanbase was big. But not close to Hatton's. Gatti had also already established a pattern of losing when he stepped to the top echelon guys. Hatton had IMO only had 2 cracks at top echelon guys, Kostya & Castillo. Although in hindsight it seems that both of their better days were behind them, he was succesful when he got the chance. It was the opposite for Gatti.

If we are just talikng about who may be able to take PBF out. IMO Mosely & Cotto would have the best chances of that. But it is a business & like it or not this fight makes sense & is good for boxing.

For people to suggest that Cintron & Williams should be fighting PBF before Hatton. Well IMO that's just waayyy off at this point.

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:coolclick: A good post and I agree with you. I wasn't saying that Floyd shouldn't fight Ricky, on the contrary it would be a huge a fight. My point is that as champion it's not for Floyd to do all the hoop jumping to make this fight happen. Hatton needs Floyd not the other way around.

For Floyd right now commercially the biggest fights have to be a battle with Cotto or a rematch with Oscar. In terms of proving his legacy I'd say a fight with Mosely or even a move up to 160 would be better than fighting Hatton

I agree Hatton deserves a shot more than Williams and Cintron but I still think they would give Floyd a much tougher challenge than Hatton could.

Can you even imagine Hatton fighting Williams or Cintron? He'd get battered.

Two things I think Mayweather can't, won't do.

Make 140 lbs. and fight southpaws.

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I'm a bigger fan of Hatton than I am of PBF, but it certainly looks like Hatton is scared of going up to 147 again. I'd love to see this fight, though it doesn't look too promising right now. It doesn't really matter what weight they fight at anyways, Hatton is taylor-made for PBF, and Floyd stops Hatton and makes it look easy at any weight.

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Why not 140 then? I have heard so many PBF fans stating he has fought beyond his natural weight to show how great he is. Does anyone really think 140 would be hard for Floyd?

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I certainly do think Floyd could make 140 but why should he dance to the challengers tune?

If a lion is eating a zebra carcass a Hyena nearby can be as loud an aggressive as it likes...............providing it keeps at a safe distance.

It can win a 'moral' victory over the lion with taunts and shreaks and the lion is unlikely to bother to get up and chase it.

If the Hyena is foolish enough to actually advance on the lion however and take the meat then the lion will kill it and quickly.

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Thanks Bilbo. I know what you mean mate but I reckon Floyd wants this fight too.

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I'm a bigger fan of Hatton than I am of PBF, but it certainly looks like Hatton is scared of going up to 147 again. I'd love to see this fight, though it doesn't look too promising right now. It doesn't really matter what weight they fight at anyways, Hatton is taylor-made for PBF, and Floyd stops Hatton and makes it look easy at any weight.

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Why not 140 then? I have heard so many PBF fans stating he has fought beyond his natural weight to show how great he is. Does anyone really think 140 would be hard for Floyd?

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I think the most competitive fight would occur at 140 and there's no reason Floyd couldn't make the weight, other than the inherant dangers of losing too much muscle too quickly. Floyd often (aside from the Oscar fight) seems to want to dictate the terms of his fights trying to give himself some advantages and he'd have more experience and confidence at 147, which is where's he'll probably demand the fight take place.
He's the P4P #1 and Hatton called him out, that gives him the upper hand in laying out the terms for this fight.

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Two things I think Mayweather can't, won't do.

Make 140 lbs. and fight southpaws.

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He has fought southpaws

This is crap on hattons part, and didn't his trainer just state they would go up to welterweight for this fight to happen! I mean if he wants this fight so baddly he should move up to welterweight, its making it look like hatton's scarred of pbf, and I don't want to believe that, but it's looking like its the truth. Like everyone else said hatton needs pbf more than pbf needs hatton.

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Two things I think Mayweather can't, won't do.

Make 140 lbs. and fight southpaws.

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He has fought southpaws

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Plus Ricky fights orthadox so why is it even relevent?

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I have to disagree a little in that Hatton with his ability to close the gap, and fight the exact fight that gives Mayweather problems means he is a more dangerous fighter to face Mayweather than Vargas(who can't get down to 154), Mayorga(who I doubt can get down to it anymore), Ouma(who isn't good enough), Karmazin(who isn't wellk known). I think Hatton also gives Mayweather more troubles than Margarito.

I think the hardest fight for him is Spinks, but Spinks would have had to win the 160, and come back down for that to happen. I felt he beat Taylor, but he didn't on the scorecards.

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Disagree here with the points in bold. Hatton is not the type of fighter who can give Floyd problems at this point, in fact, he's the exact antithesis of the type of fighter who can beat Floyd. Hatton is short, with short arms, and no jab. This is the type of fighter that can be picked apart by a fighter like Floyd.
It's been proven over and over again that the weapon that neutralizes a great speed/defense fighter like Floyd is a long authorative jab. Hatton doesn't have the ability or the body type to beat a Mayweather-type fighter.

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:coolclick: I agree completely I think Floyd would destroy Hatton, it wouldn't even be a fight. For me big strong guys like Margarito, Williams and even Cintron would present a far bigger challenge to Floyd as he'd stuggle to get close enough to do damage and then get away.

Hatton with his stubby little arms wouldn't even get close to landing in a 100 rounds let alone 12.

It's a complete mismatch imo.

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That could very well be the case. And again for the record I see PBF puttin it on Hatton if this fight were to happen. But we do have to consider that this is still a business. And protected or not, This is A guy that has strung together 43 consecutive wins & 0 losses. IMO it's a hard argument to win that he doesn't deserve the shot. It also doesn't hurt that he has a whole damn country buying tickets to watch him fight.

As far as the Gatti-Hatton comparison IMO it's a bit unfair. Gatti's fanbase was big. But not close to Hatton's. Gatti had also already established a pattern of losing when he stepped to the top echelon guys. Hatton had IMO only had 2 cracks at top echelon guys, Kostya & Castillo. Although in hindsight it seems that both of their better days were behind them, he was succesful when he got the chance. It was the opposite for Gatti.

If we are just talikng about who may be able to take PBF out. IMO Mosely & Cotto would have the best chances of that. But it is a business & like it or not this fight makes sense & is good for boxing.

For people to suggest that Cintron & Williams should be fighting PBF before Hatton. Well IMO that's just waayyy off at this point.

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:coolclick: A good post and I agree with you. I wasn't saying that Floyd shouldn't fight Ricky, on the contrary it would be a huge a fight. My point is that as champion it's not for Floyd to do all the hoop jumping to make this fight happen. Hatton needs Floyd not the other way around.

For Floyd right now commercially the biggest fights have to be a battle with Cotto or a rematch with Oscar. In terms of proving his legacy I'd say a fight with Mosely or even a move up to 160 would be better than fighting Hatton

I agree Hatton deserves a shot more than Williams and Cintron but I still think they would give Floyd a much tougher challenge than Hatton could.

Can you even imagine Hatton fighting Williams or Cintron? He'd get battered.

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:coolclick: #973 Back 2 u. I agree that Hatton needs PBF. PBF does not need Hatton.

As far as Cintron & Williams vs Hatton I'm not sure. They both have the tools but 4 me the jury is stiil out on Cintron to beat Hatton because of what happened with Margarito. Williams just hasn't shown how he would react in a knockdown/dragout fight. The tools are there but I would have to see a little more from those 2. I would pick Cotto to put a beating on Hatton & Mosely to beat him also.

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I'm a bigger fan of Hatton than I am of PBF, but it certainly looks like Hatton is scared of going up to 147 again. I'd love to see this fight, though it doesn't look too promising right now. It doesn't really matter what weight they fight at anyways, Hatton is taylor-made for PBF, and Floyd stops Hatton and makes it look easy at any weight.

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Why not 140 then? I have heard so many PBF fans stating he has fought beyond his natural weight to show how great he is. Does anyone really think 140 would be hard for Floyd?

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I think the most competitive fight would occur at 140 and there's no reason Floyd couldn't make the weight, other than the inherant dangers of losing too much muscle too quickly. Floyd often (aside from the Oscar fight) seems to want to dictate the terms of his fights trying to give himself some advantages and he'd have more experience and confidence at 147, which is where's he'll probably demand the fight take place.
He's the P4P #1 and Hatton called him out, that gives him the upper hand in laying out the terms for this fight.

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I thought Floyd called him out recently following Hattons remarks after the Castillo fight?

Anyway I think the fight should be made at 145 to be fair. Floyd could piss it as he was only about 4 pounds heavier at the Oscar weigh in (if I remember right) and it gives Rick a little more slack also.

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Ricky Hatton's father, Ray, said yesterday that Floyd Mayweather would have to come down to light-welterweight if he wanted to figure in a contest between the two undefeated fighters in November.

Mayweather's last contest was at light-middleweight, one stone heavier than Hatton's division, and the American has since indicated that he will now fight as a welterweight, at 10st 7lb. Ray Hatton's statement seems to rule out the possibility of a Hatton-Mayweather fight this year, with New York's Paulie Malignaggi, the WBA light-welterweight champion, still most likely to get the Hatton engagement.


http://sport.guardian.co.uk/boxing/s...125503,00.html


The Hatton camp know Mayweather is never going to come down to 140. They're ducking him. Maybe they're ducking because they think they can make more money with alternative fights, that's the most charitable way of looking at this. I wonder what PBF will have to say about it. :)

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For some reason Ray Hatton always seems to say something after a fight that totally pisses me off!

Rick can fight a few guys up at 147 and Floyd is defo one of them. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR YOU SON RAY!

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Two things I think Mayweather can't, won't do.

Make 140 lbs. and fight southpaws.

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I disagree. He CAN do both. He does not & would not have a problem fighting another southpaw & would -no problem. But we are all guessing if he would want to make 140.

I wouldn't take that article to mean anything really, other than Hatton throwing it out there to see how badly Mayweather wants it. If he can try and goad him to 140lbs, then why not? Advantage Hatton.

Reality is though, that Mayweather won't go for this, and the fight will be at 147 should it happen.

It's just a tactic, nothing more. I don't for a second believe that if Mayweather says he wants the fight at 147 that Hatton would turn this down.

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Two things I think Mayweather can't, won't do.

Make 140 lbs. and fight southpaws.

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He has fought southpaws

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Yes 3 in his last 30 fights. Not a overwelming ratio I think. Let me ask, How come Baldomir looked better against Zab Judah than Mayweather, then was dominated by Mayweather when they fought? I will explain my point. Judah's southpaw style gave Mayweather trouble.

Admittly this isn't relevent as Hatton is orthodox but it is a fact often overlooked about the best fighter in the game today.

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I wouldn't take that article to mean anything really, other than Hatton throwing it out there to see how badly Mayweather wants it. If he can try and goad him to 140lbs, then why not? Advantage Hatton.

Reality is though, that Mayweather won't go for this, and the fight will be at 147 should it happen.

It's just a tactic, nothing more. I don't for a second believe that if Mayweather says he wants the fight at 147 that Hatton would turn this down.

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:) I think you have got it spot on, Mayweather v Hatton, they need each other, both undefeated, and in there prime,millions and million of $ the sparings just began ;D

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Two things I think Mayweather can't, won't do.

Make 140 lbs. and fight southpaws.

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He has fought southpaws

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Yes 3 in his last 30 fights. Not a overwelming ratio I think. Let me ask, How come Baldomir looked better against Zab Judah than Mayweather, then was dominated by Mayweather when they fought? I will explain my point. Judah's southpaw style gave Mayweather trouble.

Admittly this isn't relevent as Hatton is orthodox but it is a fact often overlooked about the best fighter in the game today.

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That had nothing to do with it. Some fighters get up for certain fights & perform better. Styles makes fights & that's a fact. But that dosen't just mean orthodoxed/southpaw. The 3 in 30 ratio is (10%). Why do u think that is? There are many factors here. This is business.But don't think for a minute that it was because they were intentionally staying away from southpaws. How many lucrative fights with ranked southpaws do u beleive made sense (Particularly $$$)when PBF's handlers were making his fights? I'll go out on a limb & say -not many.

This is all stemming from u posting that he wouldn't fight a southpaw. He fights whoever his people put oin front of him. There are many determining factors when putting together these big fights. Fighting stance is not one that one of them in PBF's case.

This thread has been talkin about PBF vs Hatton. Why even bring up a southpaw here?

It ever cross ur mind that the fact that Zab is a fast, strong, & gifted fighter that was bringing it gave PBF a few issues. And not because he was southpaw.

For once you can't blame Floyd for a fight not happening

After Hatton had beat Castillo he said he would step up to 147lbs to face Floyd i reckon he wants the fight but his dad and Hattons handlers dont have that much faith in him.

Dissapointed in Hatton

That must blow the chance of a Hatton - De La Hoya fight aswell if he wont step up and fight Floyd at 147,there is no way he is gonna step up and fight a naturally bigger man in De La Hoya.

For those youngsters on here, this is from the old featherweight champ Jeff Fennech in Australia.


Fenech: Why Hatton will beat Mayweather

Boxing legend Jeff Fenech has defied the prediction of his old trainer Johnny Lewis to publicly predict a Ricky Hatton victory against Floyd Mayweather.
Casting his expert eye over the brewing super-fight, three-time world champ Fenech said that while he was a fan of both fighters he believed Hatton had the tools and tenacity to spring a major upset against the fighter most pundits say is the world’s best boxer pound for pound.
Last month, trainer Lewis who guided Fenech to the world bantam, super-bantam and feather crowns and took Kostya Tszyu to junior-welterweight greatness, predicted Mayweather would stop Hatton with his explosive speed and superior skills.
But Fenech (pictured, left with Joe Frazier, Kostya Tszyu and Anthony Mundine) won’t buy that.


Last month, trainer Lewis who guided Fenech to the world bantam, super-bantam and feather crowns and took Kostya Tszyu to junior-welterweight greatness, predicted Mayweather would stop Hatton with his explosive speed and superior skills.

But Fenech won’t buy that.
``Look, Mayweather is a great fighter,’’ Fenech said. ``He absolutely played with Oscar De La Hoya. I don’t think he got out of second gear because he knew he was way out in front in terms of technique.
``It wasn’t a great fight because Floyd didn’t have to lay it on the line.
``But I do think Ricky can change it all around for Floyd.
``I think Ricky is the kind of strong, fit, hungry pressure fighter who can get under the skin of a guy like Mayweather the same way I used to wear opponents down.
``I’ve seen in a few of Mayweather’s fights – especially his first, close fight with Jose Luis Castillo and then against Zab Judah, when a guy stays on him and leans on him, stifling his movement, he doesn’t look anywhere near his best.
``There’s no better fighter in the world at a distance than Mayweather but I don’t think he’s a great infighter.
``When he gets hit in close he has a tendency to do nothing offensively, he just turns his body away and waits for the referee to step in and separate the fighters.
``I think Ricky Hatton will have seen this and will capitalise it, scoring with a lot of short, hard effective punches before the referee moves.
``In close Ricky really has a chance to break Floyd down and I think he has the desire, that unbelievable will to win, that can spring a massive upset.’’
The big fight is set to take place later this year with the undefeated Mayweather saying he’s ready to end the Englishman’s unbeaten run, now standing at 43-0 (31 KOs) and looking red hot after his four-round destruction of Jose Luis Castillo in Las Vegas on June 23.
Hatton’s promoter Dennis Hobson has offered Mayweather $12m to fight Hatton in Britain later this year and Mayweather says he is willing to come out of retirement to fight Manchester's light-welterweight champion.
Mayweather is 38-0 (24 KOs) and coming off a close points win over De La Hoya for the WBC junior-middleweight title.
He has since relinquished that crown but kept the welterweight title in a sure sign that he’s willing to meet Hatton at 147lb.
Fenech was part of Lewis’s star stable that has produced five world champs – Fenech, Kostya Tszyu, Jeff Harding, Virgil Hill and Gairy St Clair.
Fenech has also had great success as a trainer, taking Danny Green to the WBC Interim super-middleweight title and guiding Vic Darchinyan to the IBF flyweight crown before splitting with both fighters.
Lewis, who threw the towel in when Hatton stopped Tszyu in Manchester two years ago, has a different view to Fenech and says Mayweather has too much artillery for the Manchester mauler.
``If they fight on middle ground at 147lb Mayweather will stop Ricky,’’ Lewis said.
``Ricky is a very strong kid and he would be dangerous early – but I think Mayweather will take control behind his jab.
``He will outbox Ricky and dominate him.
``I think it would turn into a one-sided fight the longer it went. Mayweather is a great talent, a brilliant boxer.’’
But Fenech, who was robbed of a fourth world title when Azumah Nelson was handed a ``Vegas draw’’ in their 1991 battle for the WBC junior-lightweight crown, has the final word.
``No matter how talented a fighter, any boxer can be beaten,’’ Fenech said. ``No-one is invincible.
``Boxing is all about styles and how one style can overcome another.
``And of all the fighters in the world, I believe Hatton is the one with the style and the mental strength to give Mayweather his first loss.’’

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Two things I think Mayweather can't, won't do.

Make 140 lbs. and fight southpaws.

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you do know that judah was a lefty..and hatton isn't so what are you talking about?