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Look at a fighter with with a hard jab. Take a look at what their feet are doing.
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Originally Posted by cocobeware
Im still having trouble understanding where the power comes from in straight punches,I mean i understand the shifting of the weight from one leg to another with the left,right hook,uppercuts and i think i understand the right cross but i dont understand if i am supposed to stansfer my weight from one leg to the other with the jab and cross or if it is just thrown from a balanced position with the force coming from rotating of the hips.Is it just the same principle as with the hooks shifting weight from one leg to the other.Could someone please try and explain it to me :-\
One thing I should say is that you're not going to have a good stiff jab if you have most of your weight on your front leg. Look at Juan Diaz for example, that's his problem. You can bring power into with landing the jab at the same time you take a step and your back foot hits the ground simultaneously with the punch. You can also bring power into by rolling/dropping your shoulder slightly and snapping your hips into the punch.
Commiting to your jab can become a liability as doing so often will make you predictable and easy to be countered. FOr that matter any kind of jab, or any kind of punch can become a double edged sword if your opponent figures it out. Some of the older fighters back in the day were so versatile with their punches as their were so many different ways they could mix things up, and change the way they throw the punch.
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The power comes from the opposite of what youre trying to acheive simple or maybe its not.
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true punching power comes from being gifted. some people got it and some people dont. its not even really a sense of transferring weight or being strong or anything...its more of a mystery than damn near anything in sports. you can increase it slightly by doing certain things, a lot of which are superficial and more based on intimidation than actual power, such as being more physically imposing, or even looking more aggressive when you throw punches, but i wouldn't really concern yourself with power as much as getting punches off in a timely and efficient fashion, as accuracy seems to be the most "fixable" aspect of power.
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Within reason anyone can be taught to punch hard, It can be taught thats the truth. most fighters who can punch are taught the same but there concept is different from the non puncher psyhcologily theres a difference and a wider understanding of the part of gravity has to do with the generation of power delivered by the body. Tex books they dont read its not in there its a personal thing ask them and theyde be stumped to explain and wouldnt tell you anyway
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Got called away what ever shot you are throwing has a stabalizing inflluance from the other side of the body, action reaction and its that balancing act that gives you power it can be taught by people who understand
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no doubt about it, technique certainly plays a role. but if you are going to try to convince me that anyone can be taught to punch, i am gonna have to question it severely...if you could teach anyone to have true power, then there would be a whole lot more people scoring devastating knockouts and mma wouldnt be killing boxing as far as the 18-24 male demographic is concerned. as far as i can tell, what you are saying is flawed on more than one level: historically as well as biologically. i mean, the second half of pernell whitakers career he spent trying to knock people out, but still couldnt even buzz anyone with a winning record...and if you try to tell me that whitaker didnt "understand" how to throw punches effectively, im gonna have to call you nuts.
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Originally Posted by spaceballwon
no doubt about it, technique certainly plays a role. but if you are going to try to convince me that anyone can be taught to punch, i am gonna have to question it severely...if you could teach anyone to have true power, then there would be a whole lot more people scoring devastating knockouts and mma wouldnt be killing boxing as far as the 18-24 male demographic is concerned. as far as i can tell, what you are saying is flawed on more than one level: historically as well as biologically. i mean, the second half of pernell whitakers career he spent trying to knock people out, but still couldnt even buzz anyone with a winning record...and if you try to tell me that whitaker didnt "understand" how to throw punches effectively, im gonna have to call you nuts.
Yes actually its easy to teach
Commitment from each individual fighter is different
Sure some fighters are content pointing
Its also stragedy
If your the faster puncher with the better chin,why commit to what you have to to land the knockout
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like i said, when whitaker tried to knock people out, he still couldnt, as with a lot of fighters...its easy to say "sit down on your punches, throw em straight, get your shoulder into it, turn it over, set your feet..." the list goes on for tips on how to hit harder, but still, there are determining factors that are out of our reach, if you think otherwise then you tell me why there are slow fighters out there with no knockouts...im not talking about just hitting hard, im talking about bone crunching power. if it was easy to teach then it would just be "the way", and everyone would be doing it happily and contently, bottom line is not everyone can do it.
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Its all done in the First year , Whittakers pscyhcodinamics were set in stone theres the problem habits that bring succes are hard to change. It takes time and many dont spend there time in the gym wisely ive watched it all my adult life looking at people working at the whole and not the bit, not understanding what the bit is. By that time the muscle memory is hard to change but with time it can be done with a greater awareness of the problem by the user if by that time he can be bothered to evolve.
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1 year? the first 8 or 9 years that brendan ingle was training prince naseem he said explicitly that he couldnt knock out a little girl...he learned how to punch because he had "it", he just had to learn how to use "it"...not all of ingles fighters have "it", but they are for the most part trained to fight the same way. witter can crack like a truck but johnny nelson couldnt knock out shit. if you want to bring psychodynamics into it i suppose thats fair enough, because that would dictate that some can do it and some cant, but its incontrovertible fact that its not an "everyone" thing
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Originally Posted by spaceballwon
1 year? the first 8 or 9 years that brendan ingle was training prince naseem he said explicitly that he couldnt knock out a little girl...he learned how to punch because he had "it", he just had to learn how to use "it"...not all of ingles fighters have "it", but they are for the most part trained to fight the same way. witter can crack like a truck but johnny nelson couldnt knock out S***. if you want to bring psychodynamics into it i suppose thats fair enough, because that would dictate that some can do it and some cant, but its incontrovertible fact that its not an "everyone" thing
Ah,but the it,you mention is how they take to training
Training is training instincts,fighting is relying on them,some guys just revert to a base slappy hands state no matter what you tell them
Lou Savarese is a prime example,I refuse to believe in his entire career nobody said to him,"Lou,ya gotta drive with your hips,and put your body in to the shots"
But sure as the sun rises,hed be out there again throwing those slappy punches again when the bell rang
Some guys will come to you slapping away,and you can train it out of them
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Space I understand where youre coming from, Ive got to be carefull how I word this. Sometimes no most times its the coach that restricts progress, after the initial period of basic training many times his plans arnt the Boxers. enjoyed trainer and space cc
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Originally Posted by Scrap
Within reason anyone can be taught to punch hard, It can be taught thats the truth. most fighters who can punch are taught the same but there concept is different from the non puncher psyhcologily theres a difference and a wider understanding of the part of gravity has to do with the generation of power delivered by the body. Tex books they dont read its not in there its a personal thing ask them and theyde be stumped to explain and wouldnt tell you anyway
Top man ! This board is blessed to have such insight , scrap is absolutely one of the best , great advise and clear understanding at all levels.. great read mate, a real honor ! 8)
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Originally Posted by Scrap
Space I understand where youre coming from, Ive got to be carefull how I word this. Sometimes no most times its the coach that restricts progress, after the initial period of basic training many times his plans arnt the Boxers. enjoyed trainer and space cc
Watch as I have my cake,and eat it too
Feur hit like a mule kicks the first day I put her on the bag,and has only gotten harder as I refine her punches
Talley flicked most of his punches when I got him,but after having the concept of driving his shots carefully explained to him,well I wouldnt want him to hit me full out
Now will I eventually get somebody,especially if they have some level of training from somewhere else,who is just not going to get it?
Sure,only a matter of time,and trust me,itll drive me nuts when it happens,and as Scrap said,the more deeply ingrained those bad habits,and inabilities are,the harder theyll be to break
