Could Paul Williams be the man to beat Floyd?

Normally I don't get carried away with one performance but honestly Williams was so impressive tonight.

He doesn't have power but against Floyd that's not really an issue as I think the sheer size and workrate of Williams would be Floyd's problem.

How the hell would Floyd get in close enough Williams to do damage?

It would be like trying to fly a plane through a windmill's blades Williams just doesn't stop throwing.

I'd love to see this fight, a million times more than Hatton as I think Williams just presents such an interesting and unique puzzle for Floyd to solve.

Against Hatton and Cotto you can see Floyd using his superior boxing skills and keeping away, coming in to score with single power shots against his slower opponents.

Mosely is similar to Floyd in so many ways but Floyd is probably just that little bit faster at this stage in his career.

But Williams as I said already is like no other fighter Floyd has faced.

I would love to know how this fight would pan out and how Floyd would solve the Williams puzzle.


What do you guys think?

Ah, no.

Williams-Mayweather would be a boring one.

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No he couldn't beat Floyd? Explain, cmon on VD you gotta back up your views with a fight plan.

If Floyd wins how does he do it? What's his gameplan?

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Thank you. Williams is good but why is it when someone comes off a win, everyone immediately thinks they can beat the best who's in their division? DLH beats Mayorga and everyone on this board is saying he'll slay everyone, Mosley beats Vargas and all the sudden he's the second coming of Tommy Hearns. And now Williams beats Antonio Margarito 8 rounds to 4 so he's gonna beat Floyd Mayweather ??? I don't think so.

Excellent poll Bilbo. Do I get multi choices? Both are great.

What are you talking about Floyd ducked Margarito he definitely don't want a piece of the Punisher!

Williams wins, too tall, too high a workrate, Floyd wouldn't be able to get in close and engage.

Floyd wont come back anytime soon. Too many warriors at least in this division.

Let's not forget, PBF likes fighting old men and shot fighters like Gatti.

Too much risk here for PBF to even dare think of venturing into.

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They won't be able to hurt each other.

I think whoever Williamns fights will have a tough one just because of his output. Not much power on those but very busy. And on top of that he's so damn tall. I don't think he would beat Floyd, but hell I thought Tony would win tonight too :(

Floyd would embarrass Williams worse than he did Corrales.

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No he couldn't beat Floyd? Explain, cmon on VD you gotta back up your views with a fight plan.

If Floyd wins how does he do it? What's his gameplan?

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Mayweather has beaten good fighters that all they do is throw punches. Jesus Chavez and Carlos Hernandez. Now while Williams is better than those 2 he still doesn't have the speed to keep up with Mayweather. And he doesn't have the one punch knock out power to knock him out if he does catch him.

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No he couldn't beat Floyd? Explain, cmon on VD you gotta back up your views with a fight plan.

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Are you kidding? Footwork, counter punching? Nobody has just walked through what Mayweather has thrown, not Dela Hoya not Baldomir not Castillo and they all have or had great chins. Mayweather hits hard enough to keep Williams honest. However while Mayweather is great against taller fighters he definitely has troubles against southpaws. Personally I've always felt Paul Williams gives him one of his more difficult challenges because Paul doesn't tire, he's so tall, he's a great inside fighter, and he is an accurate puncher. However I feel that Mayweather would make him miss almost every single punch. So this fight would definitely depend on the judges, but Mayweather should win because he will land more, and better punches just like against ODLH.

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Thank you. Williams is good but why is it when someone comes off a win, everyone immediately thinks they can beat the best who's in their division? DLH beats Mayorga and everyone on this board is saying he'll slay everyone, Mosley beats Vargas and all the sudden he's the second coming of Tommy Hearns. And now Williams beats Antonio Margarito 8 rounds to 4 so he's gonna beat Floyd Mayweather ??? I don't think so.

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Fair point, I'm not saying Williams is the best fighter in the world I'm just putting the question out there as to how stylistically would Floyd solve the Williams puzzle.

In recent fights Floyd has won by staying on the outside and relying on his superior speed to pick of his opponents with single shot combinations.

How does he possibly stay on the outside of a man who's practically got a whole extra arm's length in wingspan to him? ???

Oscar WAS able to back up Floyd early and apply pressure but he tired late on and Floyd took over. We just saw against Margarito that Williams doesn't gas and unlike Oscar who got punch shy in the final rounds Williams was just a whirlwind from start to finish.

If you going to even make a post saying Williams loses end of, at least tell us how what strategy you think Floyd will adopt and HOW he will win.

This isn't just a yes or no poll I want reasons and opinions as to HOW this fight would pan out ;)

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Excellent poll Bilbo. Do I get multi choices? Both are great.

What are you talking about Floyd ducked Margarito he definitely don't want a piece of the Punisher!

Williams wins, too tall, too high a workrate, Floyd wouldn't be able to get in close and engage.

Floyd wont come back anytime soon. Too many warriors at least in this division.

Let's not forget, PBF likes fighting old men and shot fighters like Gatti.

Too much risk here for PBF to even dare think of venturing into.

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Oh yeah? Just like Margarito was sooo good? I admit I thought Margarito was going to win tonight, but I had only seen Williams against a completely overmatched Pacau or whatever his name. Margarito was your saviour, and he just got destroyed. So stop being queer.

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Excellent poll Bilbo. Do I get multi choices? Both are great.

What are you talking about Floyd ducked Margarito he definitely don't want a piece of the Punisher!

Williams wins, too tall, too high a workrate, Floyd wouldn't be able to get in close and engage.

Floyd wont come back anytime soon. Too many warriors at least in this division.

Let's not forget, PBF likes fighting old men and shot fighters like Gatti.

Too much risk here for PBF to even dare think of venturing into.

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Can't use the too tall sattement, Williams doesn't use his height.

But he won't be the one to unseat Floyd.

But I don't want Floyd to get the shot right now. Clottey deserves a shot at either him or Cintron

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Thank you. Williams is good but why is it when someone comes off a win, everyone immediately thinks they can beat the best who's in their division? DLH beats Mayorga and everyone on this board is saying he'll slay everyone, Mosley beats Vargas and all the sudden he's the second coming of Tommy Hearns. And now Williams beats Antonio Margarito 8 rounds to 4 so he's gonna beat Floyd Mayweather ??? I don't think so.

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Fair point, I'm not saying Williams is the best fighter in the world I'm just putting the question out there as to how stylistically would Floyd solve the Williams puzzle.

In recent fights Floyd has one by staying on the outside and relying on his superior speed to pick of his opponents with single shot combinations.

How does he possibly stay on the outside of a man who's practically got a whole extra arm's length in wingspan to him? ???

Oscar WAS able to back up Floyd early and apply pressure but he tired late on and Floyd took over. We just saw against Margarito that Williams doesn't gas and unlike Oscar who got punch shy in the final rounds Williams was just a whirlwind from start to finish.

If you going to even make a post saying Williams loses end of, at least tell us how what strategy you think Floyd will adopt and HOW he will win.

This isn't just a yes or no poll I want reasons and opinions as to HOW this fight would pan out ;)

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Regardless of "Reach" they have the same length of arms 26'. Second Mayweather knew Oscar was going to tire so he kept the fight closer. Third Oscar is still a better fighter than Williams, and he has faster hands.

Have you seen how faster Mayweather can move if he wants? He could easily keep the distance if he wanted to. I think he will have more a problem with pressure from Hatton who gets in quicker than with Williams because if Mayweather keeps moving a lot Williams won't be able to throw punches especially if he has to worry about Mayweather's sharp counters.

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Thank you. Williams is good but why is it when someone comes off a win, everyone immediately thinks they can beat the best who's in their division? DLH beats Mayorga and everyone on this board is saying he'll slay everyone, Mosley beats Vargas and all the sudden he's the second coming of Tommy Hearns. And now Williams beats Antonio Margarito 8 rounds to 4 so he's gonna beat Floyd Mayweather ??? I don't think so.

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Fair point, I'm not saying Williams is the best fighter in the world I'm just putting the question out there as to how stylistically would Floyd solve the Williams puzzle.

In recent fights Floyd has won by staying on the outside and relying on his superior speed to pick of his opponents with single shot combinations.

How does he possibly stay on the outside of a man who's practically got a whole extra arm's length in wingspan to him? ???

Oscar WAS able to back up Floyd early and apply pressure but he tired late on and Floyd took over. We just saw against Margarito that Williams doesn't gas and unlike Oscar who got punch shy in the final rounds Williams was just a whirlwind from start to finish.

If you going to even make a post saying Williams loses end of, at least tell us how what strategy you think Floyd will adopt and HOW he will win.

This isn't just a yes or no poll I want reasons and opinions as to HOW this fight would pan out ;)

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When has reach ever been a problem for Floyd. He nearly is always at a disadvantage as far as reach. The fact of the matter is this, styles only come into play against one dimensional fighters, rarely against well rounded world class fighters. The way to beat well rounded world class fighters is to impose your will on them, and that is not how Williams fights. A fighter with the aggression of a Castillo/Hatton/Cotto are the only ones with a chance to beat Floyd, and IMO Floyd beats even all of them. Face it, Floyd is simply better in every phase of the game than Williams.

the size difference would make this very interesting. Floyd could beat Williams as he is open to counters, he will often leave his chin out and drop his shoulder too much, Williams wont be able to put out that work rate either as he will have to chase floyd around the ring, Margarito was constantly coming in so Williams could set the pace.

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Thank you. Williams is good but why is it when someone comes off a win, everyone immediately thinks they can beat the best who's in their division? DLH beats Mayorga and everyone on this board is saying he'll slay everyone, Mosley beats Vargas and all the sudden he's the second coming of Tommy Hearns. And now Williams beats Antonio Margarito 8 rounds to 4 so he's gonna beat Floyd Mayweather ??? I don't think so.

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Fair point, I'm not saying Williams is the best fighter in the world I'm just putting the question out there as to how stylistically would Floyd solve the Williams puzzle.

In recent fights Floyd has one by staying on the outside and relying on his superior speed to pick of his opponents with single shot combinations.

How does he possibly stay on the outside of a man who's practically got a whole extra arm's length in wingspan to him? ???

Oscar WAS able to back up Floyd early and apply pressure but he tired late on and Floyd took over. We just saw against Margarito that Williams doesn't gas and unlike Oscar who got punch shy in the final rounds Williams was just a whirlwind from start to finish.

If you going to even make a post saying Williams loses end of, at least tell us how what strategy you think Floyd will adopt and HOW he will win.

This isn't just a yes or no poll I want reasons and opinions as to HOW this fight would pan out ;)

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All I can think of is Leonard/Hearns.
I am not comparing Tommy to Paul but there are some similarities. Height and reach being the most obvious.
Floyd would have to take risks against Williams and I dont see Floyd being that brave. That kind of balls and bravery nearly Cost Leonard his entire carreer. Floyd would get jabbed to death unless Floyd took that risk to fight like Leonard did against Hearns. Leonard was better than Flody and Ray had more power. Paul does not seem to have the power that Hearns had but Paul has the higher work rate so that would be an advantage. Why does it feel that Paul is still a little green after more than 32 fights? He ain't faught no one. Pual still looks good enough to beat Roid. Let's not forget that Paul is also a South Paw and we saw what a south paw in Judah did to Roid early.

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I don't know about you but I find the 1st and 2nd HBO fights tonight more exciting than the 3rd one.

Most boxing fans prefer to see KO/TKO coz they're like slam dunks of NBA, homeruns of MLB, and touchdowns of NFL.

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Thank you. Williams is good but why is it when someone comes off a win, everyone immediately thinks they can beat the best who's in their division? DLH beats Mayorga and everyone on this board is saying he'll slay everyone, Mosley beats Vargas and all the sudden he's the second coming of Tommy Hearns. And now Williams beats Antonio Margarito 8 rounds to 4 so he's gonna beat Floyd Mayweather ??? I don't think so.

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Fair point, I'm not saying Williams is the best fighter in the world I'm just putting the question out there as to how stylistically would Floyd solve the Williams puzzle.

In recent fights Floyd has one by staying on the outside and relying on his superior speed to pick of his opponents with single shot combinations.

How does he possibly stay on the outside of a man who's practically got a whole extra arm's length in wingspan to him? ???

Oscar WAS able to back up Floyd early and apply pressure but he tired late on and Floyd took over. We just saw against Margarito that Williams doesn't gas and unlike Oscar who got punch shy in the final rounds Williams was just a whirlwind from start to finish.

If you going to even make a post saying Williams loses end of, at least tell us how what strategy you think Floyd will adopt and HOW he will win.

This isn't just a yes or no poll I want reasons and opinions as to HOW this fight would pan out ;)

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All I can think of is Leonard/Hearns.
I am not comparing Tommy to Paul but there are some similarities. Height and reach being the most obvious.
Floyd would have to take risks against Williams and I dont see Floyd being that brave. That kind of balls and bravery nearly Cost Leonard his entire carreer. Floyd would get jabbed to death unless Floyd took that risk to fight like Leonard did against Hearns. Leonard was better than Flody and Ray had more power. Paul does not seem to have the power that Hearns had but Paul has the higher work rate so that would be an advantage. Why does it feel that Paul is still a little green after more than 32 fights? He ain't faught no one. Pual still looks good enough to beat Roid. Let's not forget that Paul is also a South Paw and we saw what a south paw in Judah did to Roid early.

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Why would Floyd not take risks against Williams. Exactly what sort of power threat does this man pose to any elite fighter at 147? Don't get me wrong, he's a good fighter, but the man ain't knocking out Floyd, Mosley, Cotto, and dare I say even Ricky Hatton. (and just so you know, Judah didn't give Floyd problems because he's a southpaw, he gave him problems because he's just as fast. Floyd's anihilated every other southpaw he's ever faced).

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Thank you. Williams is good but why is it when someone comes off a win, everyone immediately thinks they can beat the best who's in their division? DLH beats Mayorga and everyone on this board is saying he'll slay everyone, Mosley beats Vargas and all the sudden he's the second coming of Tommy Hearns. And now Williams beats Antonio Margarito 8 rounds to 4 so he's gonna beat Floyd Mayweather ??? I don't think so.

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Fair point, I'm not saying Williams is the best fighter in the world I'm just putting the question out there as to how stylistically would Floyd solve the Williams puzzle.

In recent fights Floyd has one by staying on the outside and relying on his superior speed to pick of his opponents with single shot combinations.

How does he possibly stay on the outside of a man who's practically got a whole extra arm's length in wingspan to him? ???

Oscar WAS able to back up Floyd early and apply pressure but he tired late on and Floyd took over. We just saw against Margarito that Williams doesn't gas and unlike Oscar who got punch shy in the final rounds Williams was just a whirlwind from start to finish.

If you going to even make a post saying Williams loses end of, at least tell us how what strategy you think Floyd will adopt and HOW he will win.

This isn't just a yes or no poll I want reasons and opinions as to HOW this fight would pan out ;)

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All I can think of is Leonard/Hearns.
I am not comparing Tommy to Paul but there are some similarities. Height and reach being the most obvious.
Floyd would have to take risks against Williams and I dont see Floyd being that brave. That kind of balls and bravery nearly Cost Leonard his entire carreer. Floyd would get jabbed to death unless Floyd took that risk to fight like Leonard did against Hearns. Leonard was better than Flody and Ray had more power. Paul does not seem to have the power that Hearns had but Paul has the higher work rate so that would be an advantage. Why does it feel that Paul is still a little green after more than 32 fights? He ain't faught no one. Pual still looks good enough to beat Roid. Let's not forget that Paul is also a South Paw and we saw what a south paw in Judah did to Roid early.

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And the biggest difference is that Hearns used his height and his reach and backed it up with superb defense back in his day he used his height with one of the greatest jabs I've ever seen it was a power jab and William's jab is more of a range finding jab along with his straights to set you up for a hook he wants on the inside, actually Williams would probably fight Floyd more on the inside.

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Thank you. Williams is good but why is it when someone comes off a win, everyone immediately thinks they can beat the best who's in their division? DLH beats Mayorga and everyone on this board is saying he'll slay everyone, Mosley beats Vargas and all the sudden he's the second coming of Tommy Hearns. And now Williams beats Antonio Margarito 8 rounds to 4 so he's gonna beat Floyd Mayweather ??? I don't think so.

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Fair point, I'm not saying Williams is the best fighter in the world I'm just putting the question out there as to how stylistically would Floyd solve the Williams puzzle.

In recent fights Floyd has one by staying on the outside and relying on his superior speed to pick of his opponents with single shot combinations.

How does he possibly stay on the outside of a man who's practically got a whole extra arm's length in wingspan to him? ???

Oscar WAS able to back up Floyd early and apply pressure but he tired late on and Floyd took over. We just saw against Margarito that Williams doesn't gas and unlike Oscar who got punch shy in the final rounds Williams was just a whirlwind from start to finish.

If you going to even make a post saying Williams loses end of, at least tell us how what strategy you think Floyd will adopt and HOW he will win.

This isn't just a yes or no poll I want reasons and opinions as to HOW this fight would pan out ;)

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All I can think of is Leonard/Hearns.
I am not comparing Tommy to Paul but there are some similarities. Height and reach being the most obvious.
Floyd would have to take risks against Williams and I dont see Floyd being that brave. That kind of balls and bravery nearly Cost Leonard his entire carreer. Floyd would get jabbed to death unless Floyd took that risk to fight like Leonard did against Hearns. Leonard was better than Flody and Ray had more power. Paul does not seem to have the power that Hearns had but Paul has the higher work rate so that would be an advantage. Why does it feel that Paul is still a little green after more than 32 fights? He ain't faught no one. Pual still looks good enough to beat Roid. Let's not forget that Paul is also a South Paw and we saw what a south paw in Judah did to Roid early.

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I think that Williams really has the speed and sheer punch output to catch Floyd more often than Floyd can come back at him.

Floyd is a technically solid fighter, but tactically he's lacking. Since when have you seen him have to really come up with a plan to set his opponent up, create traps, and do things strategically to change the course of the fight? I sure has haven't.

By no means am I trying to discredit Mayweather, but I honestly can't see him beating Williams with the same fight that he brings to all his fights. And on Williams behalf someone's going to have to really have a plan to offset his quickness and torrent of punches.

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I think that Williams really has the speed and sheer punch output to catch Floyd more often than Floyd can come back at him.

Floyd is a technically solid fighter, but tactically he's lacking. Since when have you seen him have to really come up with a plan to set his opponent up, create traps, and do things strategically to change the course of the fight? I sure has haven't.

By no means am I trying to discredit Mayweather, but I honestly can't see him beating Williams with the same fight that he brings to all his fights. And on Williams behalf someone's going to have to really have a plan to offset his quickness and torrent of punches.

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A fighter who is as good as the one I suppose you're talking about would have beaten a wild swinging amateur like Margarito 12-0. Williams ain't that great folks, hate to break it to you.

Here's the thing, Margarito was exposed by Williams... but a lot of us already knew what Floyd knew, Margarito is a wide puncher who basically just tries to outwork his opponents and land his shots near the end to take them out. Floyd didn't duck Margarito the same way he's about to not duck Hatton. Just because Williams needed the fight to put his name in the top echelon doesn't mean he just beat the best man out there. Floyd would have done a better job against Margarito because he has DEFENSE, and Williams really has none. Floyd would weather the large output by Williams because Willams doesn't have the power to hurt him. He'd counter him all night long, slip the slaps and touch him up. No knockout cause Mayweather really wouldn't hurt Willaims, but it would be a wide UD. This is a thinking man's game and until someone has the intellectual capacity plus the power to out think AND hurt Floyd, no one is going to beat him.

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Thank you. Williams is good but why is it when someone comes off a win, everyone immediately thinks they can beat the best who's in their division? DLH beats Mayorga and everyone on this board is saying he'll slay everyone, Mosley beats Vargas and all the sudden he's the second coming of Tommy Hearns. And now Williams beats Antonio Margarito 8 rounds to 4 so he's gonna beat Floyd Mayweather ??? I don't think so.

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Fair point, I'm not saying Williams is the best fighter in the world I'm just putting the question out there as to how stylistically would Floyd solve the Williams puzzle.

In recent fights Floyd has one by staying on the outside and relying on his superior speed to pick of his opponents with single shot combinations.

How does he possibly stay on the outside of a man who's practically got a whole extra arm's length in wingspan to him? ???

Oscar WAS able to back up Floyd early and apply pressure but he tired late on and Floyd took over. We just saw against Margarito that Williams doesn't gas and unlike Oscar who got punch shy in the final rounds Williams was just a whirlwind from start to finish.

If you going to even make a post saying Williams loses end of, at least tell us how what strategy you think Floyd will adopt and HOW he will win.

This isn't just a yes or no poll I want reasons and opinions as to HOW this fight would pan out ;)

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All I can think of is Leonard/Hearns.
I am not comparing Tommy to Paul but there are some similarities. Height and reach being the most obvious.
Floyd would have to take risks against Williams and I dont see Floyd being that brave. That kind of balls and bravery nearly Cost Leonard his entire carreer. Floyd would get jabbed to death unless Floyd took that risk to fight like Leonard did against Hearns. Leonard was better than Flody and Ray had more power. Paul does not seem to have the power that Hearns had but Paul has the higher work rate so that would be an advantage. Why does it feel that Paul is still a little green after more than 32 fights? He ain't faught no one. Pual still looks good enough to beat Roid. Let's not forget that Paul is also a South Paw and we saw what a south paw in Judah did to Roid early.

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Have you seen Hearns? They are so different its not funny. Hearns wasn't the stamina punches in bunches kind of guy especially, at least not against boxers. He uses his jab way better than Williams and is faster than Williams, on the other side Williams has a better chin and he throws way more punches. When has Mayweather not stepped up to a worthy challenge? He is so far fighting every worthy challenge that has been asked of him. Sure people want him to fight Mosley and Cotto as well, but Cotto is suppose to fight the winner of tonight and I am pretty sure its signed, and Mosley still has some more work to do, to earn that fight with Mayweather.

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I've watched it several times. I'm not saying that he can't counter punch, but when it comes to tactics there's nothing that he's done can compare to what great fighters like Sugar Ray Leonard could do. Where's the changing of gears, the strategy and tactics displayed by Mayweather? I rest my case.

Let me ask you this, how would Mayweather offset Williams, is he going to set him up? Is he going to land more punches? ???

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Not me I was spamming the boards beforehand saying that Miranda was getting his ass knocked out 8)

It was a great fight but not competitive which stops it from being the best imo. I preferred the Williams Margarito fight because Tony pushed him right until the end.

Plus I never liked Miranda much anyways and knew he was hype over substance as guys with power usually are.

Where Williams is different is that he has no power so his wins are a result of sheer workrate and punch output.

A good boxer who can take a punch will beat a puncher 8 times out of 10 but a guy who with a huge natural punch output who can sustain 100 punches a round for the whole duration is very hard to stop, especially if you don't have the power to make him stop punching.

Floyd doesn't have the power to take away Williams output like Taylor was able to do to Ouma. When he fought Coralles, Corralles just stalked him waiting for the opportunity to land which obviously never came as he was too slow but Williams won't wait, he'll just keep throwing.

Some of you mentioned Chavez as a guy who throws nonstop who Floyd beat but Chavez was only a small guy, basically a lightweight version of Hatton and he DID have Floyd backing up for long periods of that fight.

Williams is a giant compared to Chavez and doesn't gas out so his attacks might be sustained more than Chavez's were.

I'm not saying Williams definitely beats Floyd, I voted maybe, but the reason I started the poll was that in my opinion at least he presents one of if not the most unique stylistic puzzle for Floyd to solve right now.

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both fighthers with the same style? ZZZZZZZZZZZ.. it would be interesting to listen to the corners in between rounds. both corners would probably say "ping ping pang pang, then move" or "pit pat pat pit then slide to the side"

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both fighthers with the same style? ZZZZZZZZZZZ.. it would be interesting to listen to the corners in between rounds. both corners would probably say "ping ping pang pang, then move" or "pit pat pat pit then slide to the side"

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Have you ever even watched a fight? Floyd and Williams are about as far apart in terms of style as you could possibly get.

Man some people just seem determined to make an ass out of themselves :-\

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both fighthers with the same style? ZZZZZZZZZZZ.. it would be interesting to listen to the corners in between rounds. both corners would probably say "ping ping pang pang, then move" or "pit pat pat pit then slide to the side"

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Have you ever even watched a fight? Floyd and Williams are about as far apart in terms of style as you could possibly get.

Man some people just seem determined to make an a** out of themselves :-\

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just coz we have different opinions than you we are making an a$$ of ourselves?? what happend to land of the free????

As they say styles makes fights, the rock-paper-scissors of swarmers beat boxers, boxers beat punchers, and punchers beat swarmers. Watching this fight you can see that Williams wasn't your Kassim Ouma, or Sam Soliman, he could swarm with punches and he could do so much more. :) I think he has what it takes to give Mayweather a lot of trouble, but with Miguel Cotto, that's another story. ;)

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As they say styles makes fights, the rock-paper-scissors of swarmers beat boxers, boxers beat punchers, and punchers beat swarmers. Watching this fight you can see that Williams wasn't your Kassim Ouma, or Sam Soliman, he could swarm with punches and he could do so much more. :) I think he has what it takes to give Mayweather a lot of trouble, but with Miguel Cotto, that's another story. ;)

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IThats exactlt my thinking, a guy with power and a relentless attack could break a guy like Williams but a guy who can't hurt him can't take away his punch output.

Him and Floyd is a really intriguing matchup in my mind.

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I think that Williams really has the speed and sheer punch output to catch Floyd more often than Floyd can come back at him.

Floyd is a technically solid fighter, but tactically he's lacking. Since when have you seen him have to really come up with a plan to set his opponent up, create traps, and do things strategically to change the course of the fight? I sure has haven't.

By no means am I trying to discredit Mayweather, but I honestly can't see him beating Williams with the same fight that he brings to all his fights. And on Williams behalf someone's going to have to really have a plan to offset his quickness and torrent of punches.

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How is Mayweather tactically lacking? Your reasons of why he is bad is what he does best. Set traps. He let Baldomir come in with hooks so he could counter him. He let Ndou go crazy so he could find the openings and counter him. Even in the first round against Oscar he jumped in with a hook near the begining and the next time he threw the hook then came in with a straight right hand when Oscar blocked the left hook. Mayweather is always setting traps. You can't be a counter puncher without setting them.

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As they say styles makes fights, the rock-paper-scissors of swarmers beat boxers, boxers beat punchers, and punchers beat swarmers. Watching this fight you can see that Williams wasn't your Kassim Ouma, or Sam Soliman, he could swarm with punches and he could do so much more. :) I think he has what it takes to give Mayweather a lot of trouble, but with Miguel Cotto, that's another story. ;)

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IThats exactlt my thinking, a guy with power and a relentless attack could break a guy like Williams but a guy who can't hurt him can't take away his punch output.

Him and Floyd is a really intriguing matchup in my mind.

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I got a sad click out of pointing out that I haven't seen Floyd dish out a bag of tricks (tactics/strategy) in his previous fights. :D I think he would have to have some strategy and bag of tricks if he's to offset the volume of punches and variety that Williams throws. If he could show me that, he'd go down with the likes of Sugar Ray Leonard in my book.