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American Boxers Overrated?
Don't get me wrong im not saying all American fighters are overrated but IMO the America media (and also the American public) can often hype up American fighters (past and present fighters) far too much. A few examples being.......
M.Tyson (IMO a very good fighter but not a top 5/10 Heavy of all time as many seem to belive)
M.Ali (a very very talented boxer but not top 1 or 2 p4p great as i have seen written on this forum many a time)
Jermaine Taylor (has been in the p4p rankings for sometime now and i think he still is isn't he? IMO he has the skills but just doesn't use them and he wouldnt be in the top 10 p4p rankings if he wasnt American)
Jeff Lacy (Was predicted to do great things in the 168lb division by the Americans but came completely unstuck when he faced Calzaghe)
Anyways.... Im not trying to be anti American here im just stating my opinion and wanted to know if anyone else agrees/disagrees and the reasons why. Cheers
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I know what you mean. But the level of competition around the globe finally are getting much much better and it's pretty hard at this point in time to be the #1 against the world in everything. Those days have passed.
It's like saying that your dad was the best at one thing and people will imagine that the next generation are going to be as as his father in at that thing.
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I have to say, I disagree. I was thinking about this today, and I actually feel that the reason boxing has gone into decline is because of the lack of quality American boxers compared to 10 years ago, particularly the Heavyweight division.
The thing about the American fighters is that they have real character and it makes them extremely marketable.
Without the likes of Ali, Holyfield, Tyson, De La Hoya & Mayweather...I don't think boxing would have become so popular in the first place.
Honestly, I don't believe there is a country that has contributed more.
(I'm from the UK, for those of you that don't know and think I'm just being patriotic)
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Re: American Boxers Overrated?
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Originally Posted by danchar123
Don't get me wrong im not saying all American fighters are overrated but IMO the America media (and also the American public) can often hype up American fighters (past and present fighters) far too much. A few examples being.......
M.Tyson (IMO a very good fighter but not a top 5/10 Heavy of all time as many seem to belive)
thats very debatable. Tyson in his prime beats any heavyweight in his era or after his era.
M.Ali (a very very talented boxer but not top 1 or 2 p4p great as i have seen written on this forum many a time)
Your outta your fwockin gord.
Jermaine Taylor (has been in the p4p rankings for sometime now and i think he still is isn't he? IMO he has the skills but just doesn't use them and he wouldnt be in the top 10 p4p rankings if he wasnt American)
Being american has nothing to do with his status, yes i believe he is due for a beating. But he has beaten some of the best the division has to offer.
Jeff Lacy (Was predicted to do great things in the 168lb division by the Americans but came completely unstuck when he faced Calzaghe)
jeff lacy was dominated by joe calzaghe, one can say he was hyped up, depending on what he does after the loss to joe C, when he is fully recovered, we will see what type of fighter jeff lacy really is.
Anyways.... Im not trying to be anti American here im just stating my opinion and wanted to know if anyone else agrees/disagrees and the reasons why. Cheers
So ya, i disagree with you.
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
I have to say, I disagree. I was thinking about this today, and I actually feel that the reason boxing has gone into decline is because of the lack of quality American boxers compared to 10 years ago, particularly the Heavyweight division.
The thing about the American fighters is that they have real character and it makes them extremely marketable.
Without the likes of Ali, Holyfield, Tyson, De La Hoya & Mayweather...I don't think boxing would have become so popular in the first place.
Honestly, I don't believe there is a country that has contributed more.
(I'm from the UK, for those of you that don't know and think I'm just being patriotic)
It's not that Americans have more character, it's that America is the centre of the boxing world and to Americans, American fighters have more character. ;)
When you talk about marketability the US are bound to market their own more than any others it has nothing to do with them having more character, just that Americans are interested mostly in other Americans, remember 2 out 3 American college kids don't even realise there are other countries. ;)
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
I have to say, I disagree. I was thinking about this today, and I actually feel that the reason boxing has gone into decline is because of the lack of quality American boxers compared to 10 years ago, particularly the Heavyweight division.
The thing about the American fighters is that they have real character and it makes them extremely marketable.
Without the likes of Ali, Holyfield, Tyson, De La Hoya & Mayweather...I don't think boxing would have become so popular in the first place.
Honestly, I don't believe there is a country that has contributed more.
(I'm from the UK, for those of you that don't know and think I'm just being patriotic)
It's not that Americans have more character, it's that America is the centre of the boxing world and
to Americans, American fighters have more character. ;)
When you talk about marketability the US are bound to market their own more than any others it has nothing to do with them having more character, just that Americans are interested mostly in other Americans, remember 2 out 3 American college kids don't even realise there are other countries. ;)
After your analysis, you suggest I should change it to...
"Honestly, I can't think of a country that has contributed more to marketing"
;D
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America hypes boxing period.
American boxers get hyped here, because THEY'RE HERE. WHY do you think HATTON and CALZAGHE, and most LATINO fighters are so eager to come to the usa. TO GET HYPED UP.
Here is where the money is, here is where the promotion is.
Americans just so happen to live in america :lickish: ::** :lickish:
So yes, they will get hyped up, and believe it or not, i know this is going to sound far fetched. But there are more americans in america than there are UK peeps in america. Go figure ;D
SO in saying that, what are the odds that american boxers will get hyped up? hmmm, anyone got a calculator?
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
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Originally Posted by danchar123
Don't get me wrong im not saying all American fighters are overrated but IMO the America media (and also the American public) can often hype up American fighters (past and present fighters) far too much. A few examples being.......
M.Tyson (IMO a very good fighter but not a top 5/10 Heavy of all time as many seem to belive)
thats very debatable. Tyson in his prime beats any heavyweight in his era or after his era.
M.Ali (a very very talented boxer but not top 1 or 2 p4p great as i have seen written on this forum many a time)
Your outta your fwockin gord.
Jermaine Taylor (has been in the p4p rankings for sometime now and i think he still is isn't he? IMO he has the skills but just doesn't use them and he wouldnt be in the top 10 p4p rankings if he wasnt American)
Being american has nothing to do with his status, yes i believe he is due for a beating. But he has beaten some of the best the division has to offer.
Jeff Lacy (Was predicted to do great things in the 168lb division by the Americans but came completely unstuck when he faced Calzaghe)
jeff lacy was dominated by joe calzaghe, one can say he was hyped up, depending on what he does after the loss to joe C, when he is fully recovered, we will see what type of fighter jeff lacy really is.
Anyways.... Im not trying to be anti American here im just stating my opinion and wanted to know if anyone else agrees/disagrees and the reasons why. Cheers
So ya, i disagree with you.
Fair enough, Im not going to say you are wrong its your opinion at the end of the day, Just wanted to know what others thoguht on the subject. On the Jeff Lacy issue i do think he is a good fighter just no where near what the Americans would have you believe (pre Calzaghe fight), now i think he is underrated.
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
America hypes boxing period.
American boxers get hyped here, because THEY'RE HERE. WHY do you think HATTON and CALZAGHE, and most LATINO fighters are so eager to come to the usa. TO GET HYPED UP.
Here is where the money is, here is where the promotion is.
Americans just so happen to live in america :lickish: ::** :lickish:
So yes, they will get hyped up, and believe it or not, i know this is going to sound far fetched. But there are more americans in america than there are UK peeps in america. Go figure ;D
SO in saying that, what are the odds that american boxers will get hyped up? hmmm, anyone got a calculator?
Thats about right
America's the largest market for boxing,American boxers get more exposure in it,creating more boxers,creating more competition
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
America hypes boxing period.
American boxers get hyped here, because THEY'RE HERE. WHY do you think HATTON and CALZAGHE, and most LATINO fighters are so eager to come to the usa. TO GET HYPED UP.
Here is where the money is, here is where the promotion is.
Americans just so happen to live in america :lickish: ::** :lickish:
So yes, they will get hyped up, and believe it or not, i know this is going to sound far fetched. But there are more americans in america than there are UK peeps in america. Go figure ;D
SO in saying that, what are the odds that american boxers will get hyped up? hmmm, anyone got a calculator?
You learn something new everyday ;D
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
I have to say, I disagree. I was thinking about this today, and I actually feel that the reason boxing has gone into decline is because of the lack of quality American boxers compared to 10 years ago, particularly the Heavyweight division.
The thing about the American fighters is that they have real character and it makes them extremely marketable.
Without the likes of Ali, Holyfield, Tyson, De La Hoya & Mayweather...I don't think boxing would have become so popular in the first place.
Honestly, I don't believe there is a country that has contributed more.
(I'm from the UK, for those of you that don't know and think I'm just being patriotic)
I have to respectfully disagree with you on one point you made. Boxing is not popular today because of the Tyson's and Mayweather's. Ali yes. They make it popular TODAY, but it isn't near as popular as it seemed to be before any of those aformentioned guys came around. Ali and Foreman were the end of an ERA IMO. The likes of Robinson, Braddock, Walcott, Johnson, Tunney, Bascillio: they made boxing popular and are really what laid that foundation for this sport to even exist today. All respect to the fighters you mentioned, but boxing isn't what it was, not percentage wise anyways as far as memorable fights.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
I have to say, I disagree. I was thinking about this today, and I actually feel that the reason boxing has gone into decline is because of the lack of quality American boxers compared to 10 years ago, particularly the Heavyweight division.
The thing about the American fighters is that they have real character and it makes them extremely marketable.
Without the likes of Ali, Holyfield, Tyson, De La Hoya & Mayweather...I don't think boxing would have become so popular in the first place.
Honestly, I don't believe there is a country that has contributed more.
(I'm from the UK, for those of you that don't know and think I'm just being patriotic)
When you talk about marketability the US are bound to market their own more than any others it has nothing to do with them having more character, just that Americans are interested mostly in other Americans,
remember 2 out 3 American college kids don't even realise there are other countries. ;)
:biglaugh:
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
and believe it or not, i know this is going to sound far fetched. But there are more americans in america than there are UK peeps in america.
I think in the UK it's different. We've got more immigrants than natives, they certainly have a bigger political voice anyhow.
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Originally Posted by LEGION
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
I have to say, I disagree. I was thinking about this today, and I actually feel that the reason boxing has gone into decline is because of the lack of quality American boxers compared to 10 years ago, particularly the Heavyweight division.
The thing about the American fighters is that they have real character and it makes them extremely marketable.
Without the likes of Ali, Holyfield, Tyson, De La Hoya & Mayweather...I don't think boxing would have become so popular in the first place.
Honestly, I don't believe there is a country that has contributed more.
(I'm from the UK, for those of you that don't know and think I'm just being patriotic)
I have to respectfully disagree with you on one point you made. Boxing is not popular today because of the Tyson's and Mayweather's. Ali yes. They make it popular TODAY, but it isn't near as popular as it seemed to be before any of those aformentioned guys came around. Ali and Foreman were the end of an ERA IMO. The likes of Robinson, Braddock, Walcott, Johnson, Tunney, Bascillio: they made boxing popular and are really what laid that foundation for this sport to even exist today. All respect to the fighters you mentioned, but boxing isn't what it was, not percentage wise anyways as far as memorable fights.
That has more to do with PPV,then anything
Back when I was growing up,youd get to see guys like Ali,Frazier,Leanord,Foreman,all in their prime
Nowadays unless your a serious ESPN junky,youve never seen Mayweather,etc,etc fight unless your willing to pony up 49.95
And even if you are a serious ESPN junky youve only seen these guys on their way up
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Originally Posted by LEGION
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
I have to say, I disagree. I was thinking about this today, and I actually feel that the reason boxing has gone into decline is because of the lack of quality American boxers compared to 10 years ago, particularly the Heavyweight division.
The thing about the American fighters is that they have real character and it makes them extremely marketable.
Without the likes of Ali, Holyfield, Tyson, De La Hoya & Mayweather...I don't think boxing would have become so popular in the first place.
Honestly, I don't believe there is a country that has contributed more.
(I'm from the UK, for those of you that don't know and think I'm just being patriotic)
I have to respectfully disagree with you on one point you made. Boxing is not popular today because of the Tyson's and Mayweather's. Ali yes. They make it popular TODAY, but it isn't near as popular as it seemed to be before any of those aformentioned guys came around. Ali and Foreman were the end of an ERA IMO. The likes of Robinson, Braddock, Walcott, Johnson, Tunney, Bascillio: they made boxing popular and are really what laid that foundation for this sport to even exist today. All respect to the fighters you mentioned, but boxing isn't what it was, not percentage wise anyways as far as memorable fights.
True, but the people who I mentioned bring the average joe to boxing. I bet people who have a casual interest in boxing watched DLH-Mayweather, Tyson-Holyfield and know who Ali is. You ask average joe on the street, he'll have no fucking clue who Vitali Klitschko is.
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You're right, I probably got over analytical about it. But I don't care about the average Joe knowing who Vitali or Ali is. This is what bothers me most about the game, the average Joe needs to be involvrd so the $$$ rolls in. Guys like Jack Johnson and Robinson, Braddock fighting for their lives. Again, over analytical, but JMO. Tyson fought to kill people,lol.
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Originally Posted by LEGION
You're right, I probably got over analytical about it. But I don't care about the average Joe knowing who Vitali or Ali is. This is what bothers me most about the game, the average Joe needs to be involvrd so the $$$ rolls in. Guys like Jack Johnson and Robinson, Braddock fighting for their lives. Again, over analytical, but JMO. Tyson fought to kill people,lol.
I :coolclick: you. I'm always favourable when people agree with me, because it means they got it right ;D ;D ;D
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Originally Posted by danchar123
Don't get me wrong im not saying all American fighters are overrated but IMO the America media (and also the American public) can often hype up American fighters (past and present fighters) far too much. A few examples being.......
M.Tyson (IMO a very good fighter but not a top 5/10 Heavy of all time as many seem to belive)
M.Ali (a very very talented boxer but not top 1 or 2 p4p great as i have seen written on this forum many a time)
Jermaine Taylor (has been in the p4p rankings for sometime now and i think he still is isn't he? IMO he has the skills but just doesn't use them and he wouldnt be in the top 10 p4p rankings if he wasnt American)
Jeff Lacy (Was predicted to do great things in the 168lb division by the Americans but came completely unstuck when he faced Calzaghe)
Anyways.... Im not trying to be anti American here im just stating my opinion and wanted to know if anyone else agrees/disagrees and the reasons why. Cheers
I would say your argument is a bit out dated. Its no secret that the Europeans have landed ;)
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by LEGION
You're right, I probably got over analytical about it. But I don't care about the average Joe knowing who Vitali or Ali is. This is what bothers me most about the game, the average Joe needs to be involvrd so the $$$ rolls in. Guys like Jack Johnson and Robinson, Braddock fighting for their lives. Again, over analytical, but JMO. Tyson fought to kill people,lol.
I :coolclick: you. I'm always favourable when people agree with me, because it means they got it right ;D ;D ;D
That's great, I knew I'd get a cool click if I humbled myself. Now I can disagree with you again.... na na na na ;D J.K. bro'; though I think you know what I was saying in my post.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
and believe it or not, i know this is going to sound far fetched. But there are more americans in america than there are UK peeps in america.
I think in the UK it's different. We've got more immigrants than natives, they certainly have a bigger political voice anyhow.
At the end of the day we all immigrated from somewhere i guess. I know what you mean though we certainly have lots of eastern Europeans in the UK now.
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If either of the klitschko brother were american then they would be the most famous human on the planet
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American boxers are indeed very overrated. Not only "real" American boxers but also boxers fighting out of the US.
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prove your point, dont just spew off at the mouth pretending to make a valid point.
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
prove your point, dont just spew off at the mouth pretending to make a valid point.
Jeff Lacy
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Originally Posted by Peter Plys 44
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
prove your point, dont just spew off at the mouth pretending to make a valid point.
Jeff Lacy
He had two titles,so how was he overrated?
He went through Vanderpool,Sheika,Reid and Pemberton
He didnt have enough experience for Calzeghe,but I dont see how you "overrate" the IBF-IBO champion
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Once again, an old arguement ::**
Jeff Lacy was Overrated. But that was some time ago now ;)
I didnt see 'American Boxers being overrated' ever being a problem.... The problem was the Eastern European guys not getting the exposure. But like i say, this is all a very old arguement now.
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Peter Plys 44
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
prove your point, dont just spew off at the mouth pretending to make a valid point.
Jeff Lacy
He had two titles,so how was he overrated?
He went through Vanderpool,Sheika,Reid and Pemberton
He didnt have enough experience for Calzeghe,but I dont see how you "overrate" the IBF-IBO champion
Then take off your sun-glases
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Originally Posted by Peter Plys 44
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Peter Plys 44
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
prove your point, dont just spew off at the mouth pretending to make a valid point.
Jeff Lacy
He had two titles,so how was he overrated?
He went through Vanderpool,Sheika,Reid and Pemberton
He didnt have enough experience for Calzeghe,but I dont see how you "overrate" the IBF-IBO champion
Then take off your sun-glases
What are glases?
He was a champ,and he wasnt good enough for Calzeghe,another champ
Again how do you "overrate" a guy with two belts
Gee I guess if Lacy was "overrated" then Joe doesnt have a single great win
Guess its Welsh fighters that are "overrated"
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Every country over hypes their fighters not just America....Deny it if you will but it is the truth....
here are a few of our overhyped fighters over the years
Joe Louis Joe Frazier
Jack Dempsey Muhammad Ali
Rocky Marciano Bob Foster
AAron Pryor Gene Fullmer
Ray Leonard Winky Wright
Thomas Hearns Terry Norris
Marvin Hagler Wilfred Benietez
Roy Jones Pernell Whitaker
Bernard Hopkins Michael Moorer
Henry Armstrong George Foreman
Ray Robinson Willie Pastrano
Carmen Bassilio Shane Mosley
Mike Tyson Felix Trinidad
Larry Holmes Meldrick Taylor
James Toney Riddick Bowe
Sonny Liston Michael Nunn
Michael Spinks Willie Pep
Oscar De La Hoya Jack Johnson
Floyd Mayweather John L Sullivan
Miguel Cotto Floyd Patterson
Hector Camacho Harry Greb
Virgil Hill
Every single one of those bums are nothing but press generated hyped up second rate fighters...who if were residents of another country would never have been heard of ::**
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Now thats a good one... ;D
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Originally Posted by danchar123
Don't get me wrong im not saying all American fighters are overrated but IMO the America media (and also the American public) can often hype up American fighters (past and present fighters) far too much. A few examples being.......
M.Tyson (IMO a very good fighter but not a top 5/10 Heavy of all time as many seem to belive)
M.Ali (a very very talented boxer but not top 1 or 2 p4p great as i have seen written on this forum many a time)
Jermaine Taylor (has been in the p4p rankings for sometime now and i think he still is isn't he? IMO he has the skills but just doesn't use them and he wouldnt be in the top 10 p4p rankings if he wasnt American)
Jeff Lacy (Was predicted to do great things in the 168lb division by the Americans but came completely unstuck when he faced Calzaghe)
Anyways.... Im not trying to be anti American here im just stating my opinion and wanted to know if anyone else agrees/disagrees and the reasons why. Cheers
Maybee you missed the contender challenge. Who is the best p4p right now. Thats right Mayweather. Im offended.
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Originally Posted by southakron314
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Originally Posted by danchar123
Don't get me wrong im not saying all American fighters are overrated but IMO the America media (and also the American public) can often hype up American fighters (past and present fighters) far too much. A few examples being.......
M.Tyson (IMO a very good fighter but not a top 5/10 Heavy of all time as many seem to belive)
M.Ali (a very very talented boxer but not top 1 or 2 p4p great as i have seen written on this forum many a time)
Jermaine Taylor (has been in the p4p rankings for sometime now and i think he still is isn't he? IMO he has the skills but just doesn't use them and he wouldnt be in the top 10 p4p rankings if he wasnt American)
Jeff Lacy (Was predicted to do great things in the 168lb division by the Americans but came completely unstuck when he faced Calzaghe)
Anyways.... Im not trying to be anti American here im just stating my opinion and wanted to know if anyone else agrees/disagrees and the reasons why. Cheers
Maybee you missed the contender challenge. Who is the best p4p right now. Thats right Mayweather. Im offended.
Yeah Mayweather does deserve to be at the top im not arguing that point but B Hopkins? W Wright? J Taylor? IMO none of these three deserve to be in the top 10 p4p, in the past yes but not now. If none of these 3 were American they wouldn't be there im pretty damn sure of that. As for the Contender i wouldn't go taking that too seriously, its a tv program at the end of the day.
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Originally Posted by danchar123
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Originally Posted by southakron314
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Originally Posted by danchar123
Don't get me wrong im not saying all American fighters are overrated but IMO the America media (and also the American public) can often hype up American fighters (past and present fighters) far too much. A few examples being.......
M.Tyson (IMO a very good fighter but not a top 5/10 Heavy of all time as many seem to belive)
M.Ali (a very very talented boxer but not top 1 or 2 p4p great as i have seen written on this forum many a time)
Jermaine Taylor (has been in the p4p rankings for sometime now and i think he still is isn't he? IMO he has the skills but just doesn't use them and he wouldnt be in the top 10 p4p rankings if he wasnt American)
Jeff Lacy (Was predicted to do great things in the 168lb division by the Americans but came completely unstuck when he faced Calzaghe)
Anyways.... Im not trying to be anti American here im just stating my opinion and wanted to know if anyone else agrees/disagrees and the reasons why. Cheers
Maybee you missed the contender challenge. Who is the best p4p right now. Thats right Mayweather. Im offended.
Yeah Mayweather does deserve to be at the top im not arguing that point but B Hopkins? W Wright? J Taylor? IMO none of these three deserve to be in the top 10 p4p, in the past yes but not now. If none of these 3 were American they wouldn't be there im pretty damn sure of that. As for the Contender i wouldn't go taking that too seriously, its a tv program at the end of the day.
Dirty B-Hop, Winky and Taylor would without no doubt get their ears boxed off against a Kessler - but they are all top 10 p4p............and Kessler is not even top 25 in EU......
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Present fighters ok, but Ali? Or even Tyson. I don't think so.
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Originally Posted by Peter Plys 44
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Originally Posted by danchar123
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Originally Posted by southakron314
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Originally Posted by danchar123
Don't get me wrong im not saying all American fighters are overrated but IMO the America media (and also the American public) can often hype up American fighters (past and present fighters) far too much. A few examples being.......
M.Tyson (IMO a very good fighter but not a top 5/10 Heavy of all time as many seem to belive)
M.Ali (a very very talented boxer but not top 1 or 2 p4p great as i have seen written on this forum many a time)
Jermaine Taylor (has been in the p4p rankings for sometime now and i think he still is isn't he? IMO he has the skills but just doesn't use them and he wouldnt be in the top 10 p4p rankings if he wasnt American)
Jeff Lacy (Was predicted to do great things in the 168lb division by the Americans but came completely unstuck when he faced Calzaghe)
Anyways.... Im not trying to be anti American here im just stating my opinion and wanted to know if anyone else agrees/disagrees and the reasons why. Cheers
Maybee you missed the contender challenge. Who is the best p4p right now. Thats right Mayweather. Im offended.
Yeah Mayweather does deserve to be at the top im not arguing that point but B Hopkins? W Wright? J Taylor? IMO none of these three deserve to be in the top 10 p4p, in the past yes but not now. If none of these 3 were American they wouldn't be there im pretty damn sure of that. As for the Contender i wouldn't go taking that too seriously, its a tv program at the end of the day.
Dirty B-Hop, Winky and Taylor would without no doubt get their ears boxed off against a Kessler - but they are all top 10 p4p............and Kessler is not even top 25 in EU......
A prime Hopkins owns Kessler
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Originally Posted by danchar123
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Originally Posted by southakron314
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Originally Posted by danchar123
Don't get me wrong im not saying all American fighters are overrated but IMO the America media (and also the American public) can often hype up American fighters (past and present fighters) far too much. A few examples being.......
M.Tyson (IMO a very good fighter but not a top 5/10 Heavy of all time as many seem to belive)
M.Ali (a very very talented boxer but not top 1 or 2 p4p great as i have seen written on this forum many a time)
Jermaine Taylor (has been in the p4p rankings for sometime now and i think he still is isn't he? IMO he has the skills but just doesn't use them and he wouldnt be in the top 10 p4p rankings if he wasnt American)
Jeff Lacy (Was predicted to do great things in the 168lb division by the Americans but came completely unstuck when he faced Calzaghe)
Anyways.... Im not trying to be anti American here im just stating my opinion and wanted to know if anyone else agrees/disagrees and the reasons why. Cheers
Maybee you missed the contender challenge. Who is the best p4p right now. Thats right Mayweather. Im offended.
Yeah Mayweather does deserve to be at the top im not arguing that point but B Hopkins? W Wright? J Taylor? IMO none of these three deserve to be in the top 10 p4p, in the past yes but not now. If none of these 3 were American they wouldn't be there im pretty damn sure of that. As for the Contender i wouldn't go taking that too seriously, its a tv program at the end of the day.
Until someone proves otherwise Hopkins is on the P4P list where he belongs.....2 losses close losses in 11 years tehn jumping 2 weight classes to claim the LH ring title is damn impressive....Who else has done it?...Especially at 42
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Agreed Daxx..and how can anyone say Winky doesn't belong? He has one of the most impressive resumes out of any boxer right now. Annihilated a prime Trinidad, Drew with an undefeated Taylor and beat Mosely twice. I don't think Americans are over-rated. They're just more exposed as Vegas seems to be the boxing capital and if you are making waves you seem to end up there (or want to end up there for the money) Not even half of the P4P list is American anyway?? You have Pacquaio, Marquez brothers, Cotto, Hatton and Calzaghe etc But if you notice most of them have had some exposure to the American boxing world. So I don't think the actual boxers themselves are over rated, no.
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Not overrated!!!! The average level of talent is MUCH higher in the US...European fighters usually have an easier road to the top because of less competition in their perspective countries. In the US all too often a fighter is narly spent by the time he gets his big shot from many wars he had trying to get there.
You don't see as many "padded" records in the US as you see in European fighters examples are endless...
Are there great european fighters ABSOLUTELY but US fighters cannot be considered overrated, imo...
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Agreed Daxx..and how can anyone say Winky doesn't belong? He has one of the most impressive resumes out of any boxer right now. Annihilated a prime Trinidad, Drew with an undefeated Taylor and beat Mosely twice. I don't think Americans are over-rated. They're just more exposed as Vegas seems to be the boxing capital and if you are making waves you seem to end up there (or want to end up there for the money) Not even half of the P4P list is American anyway?? You have Pacquaio, Marquez brothers, Cotto, Hatton and Calzaghe etc But if you notice most of them have had some exposure to the American boxing world. So I don't think the actual boxers themselves are over rated, no.
Welcome to the form Mate Have your First CC on me....( Wacko is in Vegas right now or else he is the one who usually hands those out)
Your absolutely correct. Most of the P4P list is guys from other countries...Yes America does get the most exposure though...Again like stated it has to do with USA being the place where most big fights take place nothing more nothing less
Some just tend to overlook that when trying to make a point ;)
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Don't get me wrong im not saying all American fighters are overrated but IMO the America media (and also the American public) can often hype up American fighters (past and present fighters) far too much. A few examples being.......
M.Tyson (IMO a very good fighter but not a top 5/10 Heavy of all time as many seem to belive)
M.Ali (a very very talented boxer but not top 1 or 2 p4p great as i have seen written on this forum many a time)
Jermaine Taylor (has been in the p4p rankings for sometime now and i think he still is isn't he? IMO he has the skills but just doesn't use them and he wouldnt be in the top 10 p4p rankings if he wasnt American)
Jeff Lacy (Was predicted to do great things in the 168lb division by the Americans but came completely unstuck when he faced Calzaghe)
Anyways.... Im not trying to be anti American here im just stating my opinion and wanted to know if anyone else agrees/disagrees and the reasons why. Cheers
Maybee you missed the contender challenge. Who is the best p4p right now. Thats right Mayweather. Im offended.
Yeah Mayweather does deserve to be at the top im not arguing that point but B Hopkins? W Wright? J Taylor? IMO none of these three deserve to be in the top 10 p4p, in the past yes but not now. If none of these 3 were American they wouldn't be there im pretty damn sure of that. As for the Contender i wouldn't go taking that too seriously, its a tv program at the end of the day.
Dirty B-Hop, Winky and Taylor would without no doubt get their ears boxed off against a Kessler - but they are all top 10 p4p............and Kessler is not even top 25 in EU......
Owns Calazaghe too. I think you forgot Harry Greb on that list of overrated Americans. Harry Greb was never a pound for pound guy. Yea Right :Sarcasm:
A prime Hopkins owns Kessler
