If the Roy Jones thought fought Griffin, had fought Tarver what would be the ...

What would be the outcome. The Jones that fought Montell Griffin in their second fight, had no fear and was willing to take chances. I think Tarver would have been TKOed.

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Originally Posted by BigMix27

What would be the outcome. The Jones that fought Montell Griffin in their second fight, had no fear and was willing to take chances. I think Tarver would have been TKOed.

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Jones could of took Tarver in 3rd fight aswell but anyway onto this i think Jones would of tkoed Tarver in 10 rounds.

the second griffin fight..that roy beats anybody ever..

the first griffin fight..that roy beats anybody ever just not as bad as the second version would..

tarver was expecting roy to come out and attempt to kill him that's why when roy threw tarver just put his head down, closed his eyes and threw..and what do ya know he landed..and because of that lucky punch in the second fight...he already won the third fight because he did more damage to roy mentally than physically...

Tarver wouldn't have lasted 3 rounds

Yes Roy just got old when Tarver beat him.
in his prime Roy was unbeatable

Roy would have won a unanimous decision but Tarver would put up a respectable effort and there's no way he'd be stopped. People forget Tarver has a very good chin and he would always stylistically pose problems for Roy.

tarver woulda had that " ???" look on his face liek he did gainst hopkins only it would last 2 rounds

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Originally Posted by BigMix27

What would be the outcome. The Jones that fought Montell Griffin in their second fight, had no fear and was willing to take chances. I think Tarver would have been TKOed.

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Part of the reason he had "no fear" was that he knew that Griffin couldn't punch worth a shit. On the other hand, he knew Tarver could punch.

I remember people talking about how "RJ" would come out in the second Tarver fight, and it always seemed like bullshit. Roy knew that he had to respect Tarver's power more than he did Griffin's. And I agree that a prime Roy would have beaten him but I think there was something about Tarver and his style that bothered Roy.

Total bs to the extreme. Roy could not have fought tarve rlike that totally different stature he is a long man long arms you get countered, he would never have devastaed tarver like that no way no how. I never thought tarver was all that good but montel griffin is another b fighter, he was a good crafty fighter nothing special more hype more hype yes I know he beat toney, keep in mind toney was getting absultley dominated against michel nunn before he caught him with a single punch...

Roy fought plenty of guys Tarver's size and speed. Roy in his prime was much different fighter than he was when he fought Tarver. If Hopkins could counter Tarver, and not get hit than prime Roy would have never been hit. Tarver had a hard time keeping up with Hopkins, but Roy has much faster feet than Hopkins. I could easily see Roy ko'ing Tarver or more likely finding out that its just as easy to take him to a UD, but I think it would be very stupid of him to fight Tarver like he did Griffin... Tarver is a southpaw who is a pretty good counter puncher and he can punch pretty hard.

roy was what 32-33 years old what was his excuse??

actually he was 35...

Roy in top form wouldn't have went after Tarver like he did against Griffin in the second fight, but he would have eventually picked him apart and broke him down. Would it have been as quick and brutal as griffin, I dont think so. That was personal.

The combination of the beating an embarrassment that is levied upon tarver most like lies somewhere between David Telesco and Richard Hall. Tarver is a one hit wonder who happened to be in the right place at the right time(as was glen johnson). After tarver he got beat by hopkins, he jumped on the "I was poisoned" bandwagon and he'll probably spend the rest of his career trying to get everyone to believe he was the greatest fighter that even lived and would be have a perfect record if people didnt keep sneaking crack into his steaks.

Great fighters make their name by beating more than one great fighter. The only 2 people tarver beat was an emaciated Roy jones jr... and the other guy who claimed to be great after beating an emaciated, gunshy roy jones jr. who rushed himself back into the ring too fast.

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Originally Posted by BigMix27

What would be the outcome. The Jones that fought Montell Griffin in their second fight, had no fear and was willing to take chances. I think Tarver would have been TKOed.

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Are you related to Starr?

I'm asking cause Starr usually makes those kind of statements.

'If THE Zab Judah that fought so and so would have fought so and so he would win'

I'm sorry but I hate reading/hearing that..... I just do. :(

Lightning reflexes and speed.
Not to mention his decent power.
That is what made RJJ famous, but technically he isn't so great. His natural abilities were so far superior to everyones that it took almost 50 fights to figure him out.
I am a RJJ fan, so I would like to say he would have beaten down Tarver, but being realistic I would have to say that Tarver had his number and exposed Roy weaknesses. Good to see that Roy is working with trainers now, rather than being self trained.

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Originally Posted by pacdog

keep in mind toney was getting absultley dominated against michel nunn before he caught him with a single punch...

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Has anybody ever seen that fight?

That is one of the most repeated myths about boxing, seriously I wonder how many people have even seen that fight. Toney had won at least the last three rounds in a row, more like four before he knocked out Nunn in the 11th.

You know, I think honestly that Tarver had Jones' number. Roy had everything in spades over Tarver, but for some reason Antonio was just in his head. I think Tarver was the one guy for Roy, just like Vernon was the one guy for Shane.

First round Ko without a doubt. Roy would have destroyed 2 men in the same ring at the same time that night.

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Originally Posted by pacdog

keep in mind toney was getting absultley dominated against michel nunn before he caught him with a single punch...

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Has anybody ever seen that fight?

That is one of the most repeated myths about boxing, seriously I wonder how many people have even seen that fight. Toney had won at least the last three rounds in a row, more like four before he knocked out Nunn in the 11th.

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exactly! I actually had Toney 1 point behind and then winning the 11th so it would have hinged on the 12th for me which I only saw Toney winning!

Jones is one of the best fighters ever when he came down in weight from Heavyweight he lost confidence in his body after the ko loss to Tarver It took him time to get it back i think he has got it back watch out Calzaghe!. But back to the subject the jones who fought Griiffin would have done the same to Tarver he would have taken him out the same.

the roy jones that fought griffin the second time was RJ and RJ was a beast in the ring and i think he would destroy tarver. tarver waited until roy came down from heavyweight and he had been studying roy for years so when they got in the ring he was able to match up to roys style

I didn't think Roy looked that bad in the second fight. He'd had enough time to recover from the weight drop. He had speed and accuracy, and I thought he was outboxing Tarver. And then he got caught. It happens.

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Originally Posted by Killface

You know, I think honestly that Tarver had Jones' number. Roy had everything in spades over Tarver, but for some reason Antonio was just in his head. I think Tarver was the one guy for Roy, just like Vernon was the one guy for Shane.

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Exactly...this forum is full of RJJ nuthuggers and Tarver haters. Roy Jones was Jesus, Moses, Muhammed, and the Dali Lama to people and they can't accept that for all his greatness, he had flaws and Tarver was the right guy to expose the flaws.

I think Roy gets disqualified for hitting Tarver while he is down :-X

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Originally Posted by Killface

You know, I think honestly that Tarver had Jones' number. Roy had everything in spades over Tarver, but for some reason Antonio was just in his head. I think Tarver was the one guy for Roy, just like Vernon was the one guy for Shane.

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Exactly...this forum is full of RJJ nuthuggers and Tarver haters. Roy Jones was Jesus, Moses, Muhammed, and the Dali Lama to people and they can't accept that for all his greatness, he had flaws and Tarver was the right guy to expose the flaws.

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You could be right! Its just funny that it came after all the weight draining.

I am a huge Jones fan but I know EVERY fighter in history has flaws. Even Ali had his, he was slightly susceptible to a good left hook as Frazier and Cooper showed and Ken Norton was a nightmare fighter for him.

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Originally Posted by RozzySean

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Originally Posted by Killface

You know, I think honestly that Tarver had Jones' number. Roy had everything in spades over Tarver, but for some reason Antonio was just in his head. I think Tarver was the one guy for Roy, just like Vernon was the one guy for Shane.

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Exactly...this forum is full of RJJ nuthuggers and Tarver haters. Roy Jones was Jesus, Moses, Muhammed, and the Dali Lama to people and they can't accept that for all his greatness, he had flaws and Tarver was the right guy to expose the flaws.

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You could be right! Its just funny that it came after all the weight draining.

I am a huge Jones fan but I know EVERY fighter in history has flaws. Even Ali had his, he was slightly susceptible to a good left hook as Frazier and Cooper showed and Ken Norton was a nightmare fighter for him.

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The Ken Norton analogy is very good one. And Ali pulled his head straight back, which is a technical flaw and made his vunerble to the left hook. Ali liked to fight going backwards. Ken Norton could only fight coming forward. Ali's style played right into Norton's hands. Ali is unquestionable the greater fighter, but Norton had his number.

As for the weight loss, Jones entered the right at 193 against Ruiz, and think it's safe to assume that he didn't sweat out any water before the weigh-in because he at HW the weigh in is just a formality. On a normal fight night at LH, Roy would fight at 175, probably draining out about 10 lbs of water to make weight. So his fight night weight would be around 185. Even if Jones only draining 5lbs, that brings him in at 180. So Roy only had to take off 10-15 lbs, probably closer to 10. It's not like he ballooned up to 205. The probably had some impact, but I believe it's greatly overblown, and by second fight, he had plenty of time to recover.

Jones would win clear decision over Tarver.

I just rewatch Griffin 2 and Tarver 2. Like always, Jones throws lead left hook and drops his right or leaves his hand sloppy when he does it. He was doing against Griffin, and he did it against Tarver. Griffin is short and orthodox. He couldn't take advantage. It's a clear technical flaw in Jones game. Tarver is a southpaw with a great counter left. That spells disaster for a guy that drops his right when throwing a left hook, the same way that that pulling your head straight back to avoid punches will get you hurt against a guy with a great left hook. It was a chink in Jones armor and Tarver had the magic bullet.

Jones was looking good on his feet. His handspeed looked good. He won the first round. Clearly, Tarver or somebody in his team had found that flaw and Tarver was looking for it.

So, if Tarver came out like he did against Griffin, Tarver might have caught Roy over his sloppy right in the first round and put him on his butt then. Same result.

I get what you're saying about the technical issue. I just think there was an intimidation factor that kept Roy from performing like he should have against Tarver. I think Roy has fought and beaten tougher opponents and he's fought guys who COULD HAVE hit him with that same left hook, but weren't able to. Look at the third match, Roy got hit with that left hook, but kept his feet. It wasn't the punch that beat him, it was Roy's confidence. He spent half the fight hanging his head out there for Tarver to tap on as if to say, "See? You can take that, you can take that." He didn't start fighting back until halfway through the fight. Roy felt he'd won a moral victory at the end of that one because he'd simply survived.