http://philboxing.com/news/story-11733.html
i don't think that was blasphemy..i think it was right on the money...
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http://philboxing.com/news/story-11733.html
i don't think that was blasphemy..i think it was right on the money...
The dude that wrote that is a penis and the site that published it is crap..
Thats such a fair and uncomprimised view of it isnt it..
What a dick
Very impartial ;) ::**Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
I'm surprised to see a lot of familiar names on there:
Hereunder are their unpalatable comments:
"From: Jerry Lynch
I have tremendous respect for Barrera but in the past several years Pacquiao has developed a good defense and a terrific right to go with his power left. He is blazingly fast and I suspect he will deliver more of a beating the next time they fight. I look for an 8th round stoppage after winning 5 of the preceeding 7 rounds. Barrera MAY have won round one in their first meeting and I think he will master a couple of rounds due to his skills and the fact that he was caught unawares the first time.
From: Reymond Garcia
this is what I would like to say, I admire roy jones. I practically cheer for him when he is fighting. Probably the reason why he is saying that barrera is better than manny is because he is out of the P4P. he is jealous because an unknown person will come out of nowhere and compete in the P4P rating. He was even perceived as the #1 P4P (Manny). He probably doesn't like other races too because all the person he mentioned "that are better" are all black. he probably want hes race to be superior than others. welll he is WRONG
From: Skell
No Roy it's not about being popular its about beating the best guys out there and thats why Pac is number 2/3?
What a stupid comment by RJJ, I suppose he thinks he still should be number 1.
From: PGH angel eyes
He didn't say Manny doesnt deserve to be there, he sayd he'd put Barerra above him pound for pond for offense AND defense. What he said abot Pacquiao is pretty accurate and not disrespectful at all.
From: Julius
I don't get what he said, even though pac beat mab. Mab is still better
ooh yea thats right, even though roy got himself ktfo his still better then anyone
skills don't always win, the best in offense the best in defense and the ultimate best boxer can still lose. Guess to who?...to heart condition and determination.
pac is a living proft of heart condition and determination that overwhelms the greatest out there.
To say pac has no skill is false though, this should be accepted. nobody can throw a left straight like pac. he has speed stamina and combine that with his power, his not just a busy fighter with heart condition and determination. Pac is a GREAT FIGHTER.
pound for pound is about who beats who too, if someone proves to beat someone his clearly pound for pound better. how can someone be better then another from a lost???
i think roy said it wrong or got it twisted. Mab is a better boxer then pac; true, better defense; thats true too. but does it mean he'll beat pac? nope pac didn't just beat him, pac destroyed him.
See the thing is, its stupid to think, since someone is better at a catagory(for example defense) he'd beat someone whos weak at that catagory. Prejudicial!!!!!!!!!!
we've all heard it, floyd will easily beat pac because floyd is better at; defense, boxing.....uhh what else??? thats pretty much it. Prejudicial!!!!!!!!!!!
I think anyone who gives pac no chance at beating floyd is delusional. anything can happen lets be fair.
From: DarK Lord Al
Yea Roy PACMAN isnt a thinking fighter he a tough -fast-bsuy - walkin slugger who is a great fighter , he may not have much of a plan B but plan A is usually more than he needs
From: Park Staright Left
RJJ is trying hard to justify his KO losses by using these little dudes.
From his Pac-MAB comments, he's more emplying that he's still better than Tarver and Johnson eventhough he got KTFO fighting them.
From: Global
I thought P4P was about how good you are in comparison to all boxers, in and out of your weight class. Things factoring including who you've beat, your ability to move up or down in weight class to beat quality opposition, and not really anything to do with technique. Technique is just something to help you beat those opponents in and out of your weight class, relentless punching is a technique, it overwhelms opposition, just like sharp precise counter punching can offset an opponent. I still think Winky is has the second spot though. Pacquaio still is in the top three though. Roy was number one and wasn't nearly the complete package Toney was, Roy relied on reflexes and speed himself not pure boxing ability, and his opposition was questionable so he can't really use his argument.
From: Majesty
Seriously, would you say Glen Johnson and Tarver are better then Roy? Vernon Forrest is better then Shane Mosley, or Larry Donald and John Ruiz are better then Holyfield
From: El Gamo
Manny beat the heck out of MAB and I certainly think he will do it again but that does not mean he will have a greater legacy than MAB,those(beating a guy and having a better legacy) are 2 different things.
As for RJJ's argument,P4P is just an opinion.I'm not saying I agree or disagree but RJJ is more qualified than most of us and it's an interesting opinion. I guess he prefers fighters with technique rather than a guy that goes to war all the time. Fair enough
From: Josef 4334
man, i didnt expect that from rjj man. i cant imagine fighters think too much when they are fighting. i know boxers who have ring intellingence and fighters who have ring instinct. i think pac has more of ring instinct than ring intelligence. ring instinct is more important than ring intelligence coz instinct is reacting quickly in a certain situation. and i dont think you'll have enough time to think when you're getting pounded on your melon. and just like what Tyson used to say, you may have all the intelligence in the ring, you may have the best game plan but when i hit you and your hurt, your fight plan will just fly out of your head. roy thought he was smarter than tarver and johnson but when he got hit, his "smarts" went flying out of his head through his eyes.
so, rjj, u think ull have time to think while getting hit in the head? "
RJJ was right about Manny but he's got so much heart and will to win it's hard for a skillfull fighter to get to him or outbox him.
Let us not forget how old MAB is which should put Manny's skill into perspective.....Manny should be more concerned with fighting the Marquez's and the Valero's of the world
Roy is bang on the money, what he says is true... he's not knocking Pac man... but I don't really see him as a pound for pound fighter. same way I don't see Hatton as a pound for pound fighter.
Problem is fan boys can't discuss things like grown ups, 'pacman are best at everything' you can't even say anything which doesn't have a 100% positive slant on their idol.
most of them are just band wagon jumpers, hence their lack of understanding of the sport/inability to think in terms of boxing.
Shame on all you Manny haters (just Manny haters and you know who you are) This is like a broken vinyl record or scratched up CD. What will it take for Manny to get your respect? Maybe he needs to be Mexican?
He beats big time fighters and you say they're washed up. He beats up a newcomer who's undefeated (Solis) and he still doesn't get your votes. I mean what does the guy need to do. He was willing to fight JMM again for a rematch but not for only 25% and 75% for JMM. If you were in shoes would you take that deal knowing you are considered one of the best fighters?
I guarantee this that if they ever fight again JMM will get his butt kicked. And for all theses other fighters like Guzman, Soto...etc...Please it'll be the same story. Manny will be victorious in the end and and there's nothing any of you haters like RJj can do about it but cry like a little Biatch!!!
No one is saying Manny is a bad fighter they are just saying he's not as skilled of a BOXER (a la Floyd Mayweather Jr./Winky Wright/Willie Pep) as the other fighters out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Race shouldn't even play a factor in this conversation!!!
Who knew pinoys and mexicans would hate each other so much??? I'm just glad I'm white and everyone hates me equally....white people unify, we don't divide....well we bring people together in their hatred of us but hey they do it together ;D
FYI, we don't hate each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
"Skillful" or not he gets the job done and at the end of the day that is all you can ask from a fighter. Roy Jones point may or may not be valid but its definitely inconsequential in the scheme of things. Because if you can't win the fight with your skills than the guy who does is truly the better man.
Amen :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Swice
What difference does it make what Roy Jones feels about either fighter? Its just his opinion so it cant be idiodic.
WHY MUST PEOPLE ALWAYS BRING RACE/ETHNICITY INTO BOXING?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
I just don't understand? :dontknow:
Isnt JMM older than MAB?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
That's because your a boxer and you appreciate the details of Barrera's skill work at his best.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
But if you look at the results of Pacquiao, it's just devastating what he's done to the divisions he's been in.
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather+Mosley
i know, me either. Overall, i dont think Pac is as good as Barrera. He just fought him at the right time. Pac fans are just overprotective because Philipino people stick together and are sad for Pac because his dad cooked the family dog for dinner one night. they need to get over it. who has he fought lately anyway? didnt roy just beat an undefeated young up and coming fighter for a title? those comments werent that bad...come on...buy some tampons and get over it, irate PACMAN fans.
People will stop being haters when you learn to debate by using the right words and not acting as you do..Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
"Cry like a little biatch" Thats just the thing that spurs them on to hate against pac just to spite you..
Pac is great and so is barrera end of..
ExactamundoQuote:
Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
You know there's always going to be critics and cynics, but overall i wasn't bothered to much by RJJ's comments..I am a die hard Pacman fan, my dad was born and raised in the Philippines...So i have nothing but dedication and admiration for the talent of Pacquiao...But the Dog eating comment was a bit much... Thats a pretty big racial slurr on your part, and thats disappointing coming from someone who wishes his words to be taken seriously..>It made you sound like an a$$.....Every fighter has there die hard fans that will get bent out of shape over there fighter, its not just the Filipino's... I remember die hard ODLH fans supporting him after he ran from Tito...I remember hearing RJJ fans making excuse after excuse on why he is still the best after facing lack luster opponents over and over.I remember Vargas fans not giving up on him after he got KO'd by DLH...(i was one of them)...The list is endless...So you can keep your tampons and let the fans be fans...EVERY Marquee fighter has them...maybe you should get over that.Quote:
Originally Posted by diamonddavestafford
I don't get what Jones said that was so wrong. For anyone who read race in his comments they are reaching big time. Jones saw one fighter as being more technically sound than another. He didn't say Pacquiao was terrible, just not as well-rounded as Barrera. And that's true. Barrera is going to lose in their rematch but Barrera is on the decline whereas Pacquiao probably hasn't hit his prime yet.
JMM has 51 fights, has fought since 93 and is 33 years old....MAB has 68 fights, is 33, and has fought since 89....a case of it's not the years it's the mileageQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Soto, Valero, Guzman, Barrios, Solis...are all good options.
No way that will work. Somehow I strongly doubt that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
Does that make me a racist?... I don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
They've used race/ethnicity in this article -> http://philboxing.com/news/story-11753.html
Somethin's wrong with that too?
RACE WAR!!!!!!!
Mexicans vs Pinoys!!!!!!
Takin all bets! ;D
whats up with the DOG eating comment man? are you some kind of racist or something? things like that are what you call taboo and every damn country has one. by writing comments like this you wish to be taken seriously? so what if he ate dog? pac was piss poor before he became famous. have you ever been soo hungry that you'll eat the ground the youre stepping on? i bet you never got to that point. so before you make idiotic comments like that, you should be thankful that you live in a country where hunger is not an issue. and you comment about who pac has fought lately. lemme ask you, who has jones fought that is an honorable mention?Quote:
Originally Posted by diamonddavestafford
Roy was right
cc Adam. I have a different takeQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Roy says Pacman is not a thinking fighter?.. I think Roy’s comment was rather novice for such a seasoned world class fellow . .often the power puncher is thought to be brainless. true in some cases no doubt, however its not factual in this case. , If you look at the matches Manny blasted Morales with ease. Out thinking Morales and beating him to the punch , Manny snatched Barrera in a once sided affair winning that match with ease. ,, also had crowd pleasing match with the great underappreciated JMM.
Take all that into account . I feel Manny is a P4P fighter if there ever was one..
I also believe that Ricky Hatton is masterful at his craft, while both Pacman and Hatton's styles are different from Roy's. they are every bit as effective as Roy's was , and much more crowd pleasing as whole in my opinion then Roy’s . so I would say both Hatton and Pacman are p4p blokes, just my humble opinion. One thing is for sure , a fan is going to get his money's worth with Hatton and Pacman ! That couldn’t always be said about Roy's fights. not to say Roy wasn’t talented , he was. however like Mayweather , he didn’t always put his masterful skills to the best of use.
Thrilling the fans is always an important factor for any prize fighter to take into account when utilizing their given style. Balls being the greatest asset in boxing . Marciano to Sugar Ray Leonard both had Different styles. both has brass balls .
... about what?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Just a Boxing Fan
MAB is more superior fighter than Pac, because Pac whipped his azz convincingly? ???
Oh stop it now. WTF? race war?...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Both nationalities are mostly catholics, hard workers, and true believer of the family values would mean race war?
I don't know what you've been smokin' but I'm sure it's illegal in all 194 countries. ::**
can't say all white guys are the same, i've heard of KKK i'm sure you have too. I don't think race is a factor in this. The fact is, mab is one of ROYS favorite fighter maybe he doesn't know about filipinos, I'm sure he doesn't bother to know any. Anyways It just happens roy loves mab and he doesn't know pac that much to like him. So yea Roy is a FAN BOY TOO ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
yup, mexicans vs. pinoys world cup is comming up. fyiQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
you can't be serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by josef4334