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Calzaghe says Hopkins has to wait
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/6913431.stm
Calzaghe set to make Hopkins wait
Hopkins wants to fight Calzaghe at Yankee Stadium next spring
Joe Calzaghe says Bernard Hopkins will have to "get in line" after the American issued a challenge.
"I agreed a fight with him a couple of years ago then he doubled the demands, now he must wait," said Calzaghe.
Light heavyweight king Hopkins said after Saturday's win over Ronald Wright that he wants to face Calzaghe at New York's Yankee Stadium next spring.
"They talk of me not fighting in the US but not why Hopkins or Roy Jones don't leave their backyard," said Calzaghe.
I want Joe Calzaghe in the Yankee Stadium in the spring
Bernard Hopkins
"Why should I go to America when if we do the fight in the UK we can make far more money in front of a bigger crowd?
"Hopkins and Wright are supposed to be two of the top pound-for-pound fighters yet their fight didn't even sell out the Mandalay Bay, it drew something like 9,000 people.
"I'm focusing on a real fight against Mikkel Kessler, but once that is done I'm willing to go to the States if that is where the best deal is.
"I will look at Ol' Popkins, but judging by his performance against Wright there isn't much competition there for me anyway."
Calzaghe faces Mikkel Kessler at 168lbs in Cardiff on 3 November.
The eagerly awaited super middleweight unification bout could be in front of a world indoor record crowd of 70,000 at the Millennium Stadium.
I'm going to have to lean toward Kessler
Lacy on Calzaghe v Kessler
The sign of Calzaghe's burgeoning profile came in Hopkins' post-fight interview live on US TV.
"I'm back, it was a great performance and I'll fight anyone out there," said Hopkins.
"I want Joe Calzaghe in the Yankee Stadium in the spring and I'll knock him out, he won't be undefeated any more."
Promoter Oscar De La Hoya added: "If Bernard wants Calzaghe, then it's our duty to go make that fight."
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I might be being naive but I really think Calzaghe v Hopkins can be made now
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Welshman Calzaghe, 35, is undefeated in 43 fights and is the world's longest-reigning world champion, having made 21 defences of the WBO crown over 10 years.
But WBC and WBA champion Kessler promises to be one of his stiffest tests, the 28-year-old Dane undefeated in 28 fights.
The bout will be Calzaghe's biggest since he took Jeff Lacy's IBF title in March 2006, and Lacy believes that his conqueror could struggle.
"I'm going to have to lean toward Kessler," Lacy told the Boxing Talk website.
"He's more of a puncher, I think Calzaghe is more of a hype-type puncher.
"He needs to put his punches together, and I don't think he's going to be able to do that against a taller, lankier opponent like Kessler."
Calzaghe has said that the bout will be his last at super middleweight, although that could change if big names like Wright or Jermain Taylor could be tempted into a match-up.
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If Calzaghe plans to move up after the Kessler bout, who else is there to fight but Hopkins? Chad Dawkins? No one wants to see him against Tarver or Glenn Johnson. I guess a bout with Clinton Woods would be big in the UK, but who would give a damn about it here? With Taylor about to make the jump to 168, it makes sense for Calzaghe to stay put for the time being.
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Agreed, i think he should face the winner of Pavlick and Taylor (assuming they will move up to 168lbs). I don't think fighting a 40+ year old hopkins will do anything for joes resume, if he beats him (i think he will) people will say Hopkins was over the Hill.
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Wonder if Calzaghe's been reading THIS forum? ;D
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Wonder if Calzaghe's been reading THIS forum? ;D
he used too...
him and dawson is in the pipeline tho... said ages ago that he was looking at that fight...
tbh he would be better off fighting dawson than hopkins anyhow,..
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Wonder if Calzaghe's been reading THIS forum? ;D
he used too...
him and dawson is in the pipeline tho... said ages ago that he was looking at that fight...
tbh he would be better off fighting dawson than hopkins anyhow,..
No way? Dawson? Theres no money in that fight? Big risk little reward, it has to be Hopkins or Taylor next for me if he beats Kessler.
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Wonder if Calzaghe's been reading THIS forum? ;D
he used too...
him and dawson is in the pipeline tho... said ages ago that he was looking at that fight...
tbh he would be better off fighting dawson than hopkins anyhow,..
I agree. If B hop was younger i wouldn't but beating the up and coming Dawson would prove more than beating an old Hopkins (at least thats what i think)
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Originally Posted by skel1983
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Wonder if Calzaghe's been reading THIS forum? ;D
he used too...
him and dawson is in the pipeline tho... said ages ago that he was looking at that fight...
tbh he would be better off fighting dawson than hopkins anyhow,..
No way? Dawson? Theres no money in that fight? Big risk little reward, it has to be Hopkins or Taylor next for me if he beats Kessler.
Yeah Calzaghe probably don't even know who Dawson is.
If it's not Hopkins (wont be) it'll be someone like Woods if he moves up. Calzaghe's getting to old to keep risking duffing up the young uns.
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"They talk of me not fighting in the US but not why Hopkins or Roy Jones don't leave their backyard," said Calzaghe.
The interesting part of that quote?
Its a longer flight Philly to LA,where Bernard has fought repeatedly
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Calzaghe is right to tell Hopkins to wait. Calzaghe has a tough job on his hands already.
Kessler needs to be seen off first. Hopkins shouldnt even be considered until this is done.
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Kudos to Joe for this, he is earning more and more respect from me.
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
"They talk of me not fighting in the US but not why Hopkins or Roy Jones don't leave their backyard," said Calzaghe.
The interesting part of that quote?
Its a longer flight Philly to LA,where Bernard has fought repeatedly
Interesting
America is a pretty big place
Woulda never of guessed.
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Originally Posted by killersheep
Kudos to Joe for this, he is earning more and more respect from me.
100% AGREED .Why should he fight in the States when he can make more money where he is. If somebody offered yo a job overseas doing the ssame thing you are doing now for less money would you do it?
Maybe he will fight in Yankee stadium just so I can drive up and see him. Thanks Joe.LOL
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Originally Posted by Landon
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Originally Posted by killersheep
Kudos to Joe for this, he is earning more and more respect from me.
100% AGREED .Why should he fight in the States when he can make more money where he is. If somebody offered yo a job overseas doing the ssame thing you are doing now for less money would you do it?
Maybe he will fight in Yankee stadium just so I can drive up and see him. Thanks Joe.LOL
When a basketball/baseball/hockey/football player starts nearing the end of his career, and he doesn't have a championship, what does he do?
He takes a pay cut and goes to the team that is most likely to win a championship! WHY? because at that point it isn't about money, it's about being a champion in everyones eyes, and getting that championship ring or cup.
This is the point in Calzaghe's career where he shouldn't be AS worried about money, and he should take the big name fights regardless of where they are. THEN he can be the champion he THINKS he is already.
You can't make the comparison that you made about someone offering you a job overseas for less money, simply because you're comparing two different classes of people. If you're referring to someone who has to raise a family, then no they wouldn't take a pay cut, AND travel overseas, it wouldn't make any sense.
But when you're referring to a world boxing champ who is on national TV, has fans and PLENTY of critics watching him, and should already have LOADS of money, you're in a completely different conversation.
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Originally Posted by RP33
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Originally Posted by Landon
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Originally Posted by killersheep
Kudos to Joe for this, he is earning more and more respect from me.
100% AGREED .Why should he fight in the States when he can make more money where he is. If somebody offered yo a job overseas doing the ssame thing you are doing now for less money would you do it?
Maybe he will fight in Yankee stadium just so I can drive up and see him. Thanks Joe.LOL
When a basketball/baseball/hockey/football player starts nearing the end of his career, and he doesn't have a championship, what does he do?
He takes a pay cut and goes to the team that is most likely to win a championship! WHY? because at that point it isn't about money, it's about being a champion in everyones eyes, and getting that championship ring or cup.
This is the point in Calzaghe's career where he shouldn't be AS worried about money, and he should take the big name fights regardless of where they are. THEN he can be the champion he
THINKS he is already.
You can't make the comparison that you made about someone offering you a job overseas for less money, simply because you're comparing two different classes of people. If you're referring to someone who has to raise a family, then no they wouldn't take a pay cut, AND travel overseas, it wouldn't make any sense.
But when you're referring to a world boxing champ who is on national TV, has fans and PLENTY of critics watching him, and should already have LOADS of money, you're in a completely different conversation.
So using that logic why should Calzaghe be the one expected to travel?
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
"They talk of me not fighting in the US but not why Hopkins or Roy Jones don't leave their backyard," said Calzaghe.
The interesting part of that quote?
Its a longer flight Philly to LA,where Bernard has fought repeatedly
Interesting
America is a pretty big place
Woulda never of guessed.
Philly and LA are not only very far apart physically,theyre even further mentally
Might as well be a seperate planet
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I wouldnt go over to Hopkins backyard he will certainly yet robbed if it goes to points which it probably will.
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by RP33
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Originally Posted by Landon
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Originally Posted by killersheep
Kudos to Joe for this, he is earning more and more respect from me.
100% AGREED .Why should he fight in the States when he can make more money where he is. If somebody offered yo a job overseas doing the ssame thing you are doing now for less money would you do it?
Maybe he will fight in Yankee stadium just so I can drive up and see him. Thanks Joe.LOL
When a basketball/baseball/hockey/football player starts nearing the end of his career, and he doesn't have a championship, what does he do?
He takes a pay cut and goes to the team that is most likely to win a championship! WHY? because at that point it isn't about money, it's about being a champion in everyones eyes, and getting that championship ring or cup.
This is the point in Calzaghe's career where he shouldn't be AS worried about money, and he should take the big name fights regardless of where they are. THEN he can be the champion he
THINKS he is already.
You can't make the comparison that you made about someone offering you a job overseas for less money, simply because you're comparing two different classes of people. If you're referring to someone who has to raise a family, then no they wouldn't take a pay cut, AND travel overseas, it wouldn't make any sense.
But when you're referring to a world boxing champ who is on national TV, has fans and PLENTY of critics watching him, and should already have LOADS of money, you're in a completely different conversation.
So using that logic why should Calzaghe be the one expected to travel?
Maybe cuz he's been running his mouth for years that he wants to come to the States. Or was it something that just sounded good? When is the last time you heard Hopkins saying he wants to go over seas? Never. Cuz he does not need to go. Hopkins is a already a Hall of Fame fighter. His legacy is set. Calzaghe? I'm pretty sure he'll make it to the WBO Hall of Fame. Right next to that dead guy who moved up in the rankings from his grave.
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Originally Posted by littlebif
I wouldnt go over to Hopkins backyard he will certainly yet robbed if it goes to points which it probably will.
And I guess Ottke vs Reid was a great show of neutrality?
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If Kessler beats Joe, then what do you guys and gals think will happen?? Most seem to think it's a foregone conclusion that Joe will win and already trying to figure out the next move after; but what if Mikkel wins? Who do you think will be in his sights, or vice-versa??? I personally am hoping Allen Green keeps coming strong as I would love a Kessler/Green fight.
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Originally Posted by LEGION
If Kessler beats Joe, then what do you guys and gals think will happen?? Most seem to think it's a foregone conclusion that Joe will win and already trying to figure out the next move after; but what if Mikkel wins? Who do you think will be in his sights, or vice-versa??? I personally am hoping Allen Green keeps coming strong as I would love a Kessler/Green fight.
Wouldnt be shocked if Mikkel goes after Berrio to put all the belts back together,or Mundine
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by RP33
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Originally Posted by Landon
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Originally Posted by killersheep
Kudos to Joe for this, he is earning more and more respect from me.
100% AGREED .Why should he fight in the States when he can make more money where he is. If somebody offered yo a job overseas doing the ssame thing you are doing now for less money would you do it?
Maybe he will fight in Yankee stadium just so I can drive up and see him. Thanks Joe.LOL
When a basketball/baseball/hockey/football player starts nearing the end of his career, and he doesn't have a championship, what does he do?
He takes a pay cut and goes to the team that is most likely to win a championship! WHY? because at that point it isn't about money, it's about being a champion in everyones eyes, and getting that championship ring or cup.
This is the point in Calzaghe's career where he shouldn't be AS worried about money, and he should take the big name fights regardless of where they are. THEN he can be the champion he
THINKS he is already.
You can't make the comparison that you made about someone offering you a job overseas for less money, simply because you're comparing two different classes of people. If you're referring to someone who has to raise a family, then no they wouldn't take a pay cut, AND travel overseas, it wouldn't make any sense.
But when you're referring to a world boxing champ who is on national TV, has fans and PLENTY of critics watching him, and should already have LOADS of money, you're in a completely different conversation.
So using that logic why should Calzaghe be the one expected to travel?
Apparently you completely missed the point? i don't know.. the point was that he needs to do what he needs to do to become this great champion that he feels he is. and if that is crossing seas then thats what he needs to do.
I don't know if you've followed sports in the past decade, but a few examples could be when Payton/Malone went to the Lakers to form a disgusting team in hopes to win the ring.. or when Ray Bourque went to the Avalanche in hopes to win the cup.. Junior Seau is now on the Pats, got injured last year but is coming back this year.. These guys took a huge pay cut so that they could be in the winning team.
You shouldn't sad click due to your own stupidity of not understanding what i was trying to say.. you should understand before disagreeing..
The logic is that regardless of Joe being the "Champ" and ideally, people should be coming to him to fight the champ.. my point was that instead he shouldn't be bitching and moaning about the money that Bhop wanted or the money that he won't be getting in certain fights.. instead he should be worrying about defeating the best, regardless...
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by RP33
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Originally Posted by Landon
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Originally Posted by killersheep
Kudos to Joe for this, he is earning more and more respect from me.
100% AGREED .Why should he fight in the States when he can make more money where he is. If somebody offered yo a job overseas doing the ssame thing you are doing now for less money would you do it?
Maybe he will fight in Yankee stadium just so I can drive up and see him. Thanks Joe.LOL
When a basketball/baseball/hockey/football player starts nearing the end of his career, and he doesn't have a championship, what does he do?
He takes a pay cut and goes to the team that is most likely to win a championship! WHY? because at that point it isn't about money, it's about being a champion in everyones eyes, and getting that championship ring or cup.
This is the point in Calzaghe's career where he shouldn't be AS worried about money, and he should take the big name fights regardless of where they are. THEN he can be the champion he
THINKS he is already.
You can't make the comparison that you made about someone offering you a job overseas for less money, simply because you're comparing two different classes of people. If you're referring to someone who has to raise a family, then no they wouldn't take a pay cut, AND travel overseas, it wouldn't make any sense.
But when you're referring to a world boxing champ who is on national TV, has fans and PLENTY of critics watching him, and should already have LOADS of money, you're in a completely different conversation.
So using that logic why should Calzaghe be the one expected to travel?
Maybe cuz he's been running his mouth for years that he wants to come to the States. Or was it something that just sounded good? When is the last time you heard Hopkins saying he wants to go over seas? Never. Cuz he does not need to go. Hopkins is a already a Hall of Fame fighter. His legacy is set. Calzaghe? I'm pretty sure he'll make it to the WBO Hall of Fame. Right next to that dead guy who moved up in the rankings from his grave.
And thank you VD.. that's exactly what i'm trying to say..
As far as Hopkins goes.. if Kessler beats Calzaghe i wouldn't even think of expecting to see a fight against Hopkins right away, or possibly ever.. Hopkins wants to fight the people who have been the best and have the biggest names. If Hopkins beat Kessler, it would be a terrific win, but it would look more impressive on his resume if he beat someone who defended the belt just as many times as he did as a Middleweight.
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Originally Posted by Landon
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Originally Posted by killersheep
Kudos to Joe for this, he is earning more and more respect from me.
100% AGREED .Why should he fight in the States when he can make more money where he is. If somebody offered yo a job overseas doing the ssame thing you are doing now for less money would you do it?
Maybe he will fight in Yankee stadium just so I can drive up and see him. Thanks Joe.LOL
If I were as concerned about my legacy as Joe is, I would. That's largely why American audiences barely know who he is--he hasn't left his back yard. The truth of it is, while Joe can pack 'em in way more over there than here, boxing is way more popular over here. America is where champions are forged into memory. Joe wants to be a part of that pantheon then maybe he needs to take a smaller paycheck or two.
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it makes sense, Calzaghe fights Kessler and Hopkins fights Roy Jones. If they both win then they fight each other.
Shame all that will never happen.
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Good for joe...we've been waiting and waiting and finally the kessler deal is done....now everyone wants to fight him.
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Hopkins has the much better record, that is why Joe should travel. Bernard has beaten two elite fighters in his last to fights, Joe hasnt beaten one in his 40+ fights.
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calzaghe should just focus on kessler fight because man he is gona have his hand s full getting past kessler......great fight matchup and cant wait for nov bout kessler to win by knockout....calzaghe is a great fighter but kessler just a little bit more classy and explosive
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Bernard's smokin' crack if he thinks he can sell out Yankee Stadium.
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b/c regardless of who you think is the better fighter, you really can't argue with who is the more accomplished champion and bigger name, that being Bhop...Neither guy really needs the other, but a sound win over BHop would silence a lot of Calzaghes doubters....A win over the Pavlik/JT winner would be a big help to his legacy but with Bernard you know your fighting a for sure legend
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I've said it before, Calzaghe is a myth, he does not exist outside of the land of Narnia aka (Cardiff)
What a load of Bollocks telling Hopkins he has to wait, FFS Hopkins is a former undisputed Middleweight Champion and current LH Champ who has just had wins over Tarver and Wright. Calzaghe needs to get his hand off his own knobend and think about where his carreer is going.
Of course he may think he can't beat Kessler and it's a waste of time him thinking about Hopkins.
I would agree with him there!
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I've said it before, Calzaghe is a myth, he does not exist outside of the land of Narnia aka (Cardiff)
What a load of Bollocks telling Hopkins he has to wait, FFS Hopkins is a former undisputed Middleweight Champion and current LH Champ who has just had wins over Tarver and Wright. Calzaghe needs to get his hand off his own knobend and think about where his carreer is going.
Of course he may think he can't beat Kessler and it's a waste of time him thinking about Hopkins.
I would agree with him there!
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Hopkins is the greater fighter. Period. I want to see this fight happen as much as anyone, but Hopkins is not going to travel to the UK to fight Joe, and if that's what Calzaghe is saying he would have to do, this fight isn't happening. Hop may as well either retire or make the most meaningful fight he can at lightheavyweight, against Dawson. That wouldn't be a great legacy type fight on paper, but if he can show up and take out a young up and coming fighter at LHW there really is nothing more he can do.
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Hopkins is the greater fighter. Period. I want to see this fight happen as much as anyone, but Hopkins is not going to travel to the UK to fight Joe, and if that's what Calzaghe is saying he would have to do, this fight isn't happening. Hop may as well either retire or make the most meaningful fight he can at lightheavyweight, against Dawson. That wouldn't be a great legacy type fight on paper, but if he can show up and take out a young up and coming fighter at LHW there really is nothing more he can do.
I think if Roy Jones wins his next fight we could see a Hopkins v Jones rematch. Or Bhop could fight the winner of Pavlik v Taylor. Id rather see that than him fight Dawson.
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Originally Posted by killersheep
Kudos to Joe for this, he is earning more and more respect from me.
My exact words. CC
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Originally Posted by nonito (formerly eagle)
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Hopkins is the greater fighter. Period. I want to see this fight happen as much as anyone, but Hopkins is not going to travel to the UK to fight Joe, and if that's what Calzaghe is saying he would have to do, this fight isn't happening. Hop may as well either retire or make the most meaningful fight he can at lightheavyweight, against Dawson. That wouldn't be a great legacy type fight on paper, but if he can show up and take out a young up and coming fighter at LHW there really is nothing more he can do.
I think if Roy Jones wins his next fight we could see a Hopkins v Jones rematch. Or Bhop could fight the winner of Pavlik v Taylor. Id rather see that than him fight Dawson.
Hopkins vs Pavlik would be intruiging.. I have 0 interest in seeing Hopkins and Taylor in the same ring together again though, although I could just hope that if it's at 168 Hopkins could let his hands go more often and KO that fag ;D.. Hopkins vs Jones doesn't do a lot for me either, though I would watch it for sure, I just don't think Roy has enough left to put up a good fight against a real elite fighter who isn't going to let him get away with his rope a dope BS.
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Originally Posted by nonito (formerly eagle)
Hopkins has the much better record, that is why Joe should travel. Bernard has beaten two elite fighters in his last to fights, Joe hasnt beaten one in his 40+ fights.
Tarver was an elite fighter lololol????
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Originally Posted by RP33
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by RP33
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Originally Posted by Landon
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Originally Posted by killersheep
Kudos to Joe for this, he is earning more and more respect from me.
100% AGREED .Why should he fight in the States when he can make more money where he is. If somebody offered yo a job overseas doing the ssame thing you are doing now for less money would you do it?
Maybe he will fight in Yankee stadium just so I can drive up and see him. Thanks Joe.LOL
When a basketball/baseball/hockey/football player starts nearing the end of his career, and he doesn't have a championship, what does he do?
He takes a pay cut and goes to the team that is most likely to win a championship! WHY? because at that point it isn't about money, it's about being a champion in everyones eyes, and getting that championship ring or cup.
This is the point in Calzaghe's career where he shouldn't be AS worried about money, and he should take the big name fights regardless of where they are. THEN he can be the champion he
THINKS he is already.
You can't make the comparison that you made about someone offering you a job overseas for less money, simply because you're comparing two different classes of people. If you're referring to someone who has to raise a family, then no they wouldn't take a pay cut, AND travel overseas, it wouldn't make any sense.
But when you're referring to a world boxing champ who is on national TV, has fans and PLENTY of critics watching him, and should already have LOADS of money, you're in a completely different conversation.
So using that logic why should Calzaghe be the one expected to travel?
Apparently you completely missed the point? i don't know.. the point was that he needs to do what he needs to do to become this great champion that he feels he is. and if that is crossing seas then thats what he needs to do.
I don't know if you've followed sports in the past decade, but a few examples could be when Payton/Malone went to the Lakers to form a disgusting team in hopes to win the ring.. or when Ray Bourque went to the Avalanche in hopes to win the cup.. Junior Seau is now on the Pats, got injured last year but is coming back this year.. These guys took a huge pay cut so that they could be in the winning team.
You shouldn't sad click due to your own stupidity of not understanding what i was trying to say.. you should understand before disagreeing..
The logic is that regardless of Joe being the "Champ" and ideally, people should be coming to him to fight the champ.. my point was that instead he shouldn't be bitching and moaning about the money that Bhop wanted or the money that he won't be getting in certain fights.. instead he should be worrying about defeating the best, regardless...
I can seafely say i have never heard of any of those sportsmen or teams you have just mentioned, what sport is it you are talking about? isn't this a boxing forum?
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Originally Posted by RP33
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by RP33
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Originally Posted by Landon
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Originally Posted by killersheep
Kudos to Joe for this, he is earning more and more respect from me.
100% AGREED .Why should he fight in the States when he can make more money where he is. If somebody offered yo a job overseas doing the ssame thing you are doing now for less money would you do it?
Maybe he will fight in Yankee stadium just so I can drive up and see him. Thanks Joe.LOL
When a basketball/baseball/hockey/football player starts nearing the end of his career, and he doesn't have a championship, what does he do?
He takes a pay cut and goes to the team that is most likely to win a championship! WHY? because at that point it isn't about money, it's about being a champion in everyones eyes, and getting that championship ring or cup.
This is the point in Calzaghe's career where he shouldn't be AS worried about money, and he should take the big name fights regardless of where they are. THEN he can be the champion he
THINKS he is already.
You can't make the comparison that you made about someone offering you a job overseas for less money, simply because you're comparing two different classes of people. If you're referring to someone who has to raise a family, then no they wouldn't take a pay cut, AND travel overseas, it wouldn't make any sense.
But when you're referring to a world boxing champ who is on national TV, has fans and PLENTY of critics watching him, and should already have LOADS of money, you're in a completely different conversation.
So using that logic why should Calzaghe be the one expected to travel?
Apparently you completely missed the point? i don't know.. the point was that he needs to do what he needs to do to become this great champion that he feels he is. and if that is crossing seas then thats what he needs to do.
I don't know if you've followed sports in the past decade, but a few examples could be when Payton/Malone went to the Lakers to form a disgusting team in hopes to win the ring.. or when Ray Bourque went to the Avalanche in hopes to win the cup.. Junior Seau is now on the Pats, got injured last year but is coming back this year.. These guys took a huge pay cut so that they could be in the winning team.
You shouldn't sad click due to your own stupidity of not understanding what i was trying to say.. you should understand before disagreeing..
The logic is that regardless of Joe being the "Champ" and ideally, people should be coming to him to fight the champ.. my point was that instead he shouldn't be bitching and moaning about the money that Bhop wanted or the money that he won't be getting in certain fights.. instead he should be worrying about defeating the best, regardless...
I don't play cool clicks/sad clicks i leave that to the other boys. What makes you think I didn't understand you? I asked you a question.
You're being very naive making a comparison between FIGHTERS and people that PLAY sport for a living. And even more naive in believing it's not about or shouldn't be about MONEY!!!
But...I'll ask again in a slightly different way - if it isn't about the money, and only about the best fighting the best, and Hopkins has now said Calzaghe is the man he WANTS, why isn't Hopkins willing to take the fight in Britain?
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Re: Calzaghe says Hokins has to wait
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Originally Posted by RP33
When a basketball/baseball/hockey/football player starts nearing the end of his career, and he doesn't have a championship, what does he do?
He takes a pay cut and goes to the team that is most likely to win a championship! WHY? because at that point it isn't about money, it's about being a champion in everyones eyes, and getting that championship ring or cup.
This is the point in Calzaghe's career where he shouldn't be AS worried about money, and he should take the big name fights regardless of where they are. THEN he can be the champion he THINKS he is already.
You can't make the comparison that you made about someone offering you a job overseas for less money, simply because you're comparing two different classes of people. If you're referring to someone who has to raise a family, then no they wouldn't take a pay cut, AND travel overseas, it wouldn't make any sense.
But when you're referring to a world boxing champ who is on national TV, has fans and PLENTY of critics watching him, and should already have LOADS of money, you're in a completely different conversation.
What sport does this occur in? They don't take a pay cut for championships. Usually it happens because they can't earn the money at that level because no fucker wants them. So they take the most money available.
