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HBO this Saturday: Could it get any worse?
Vernon Forrest versus Baldomir. Could this be possibly the least anticipated fight of all time?
Maybe its just me, but both these guys are just shit to watch. Vernon Forrest has gotta be one of the most boring, one dimensional fighters I've ever seen. Its a cliche but really if you've seen one of his fights you've seen them all. And he's fighting slow, plodding, boring as hell Carlos Baldomir. Baldomir might have a good story and all that, and I'll probably root for him as a lesser of two evils, but he's boring, and Forrest is even worse.
Beyond being a boring fight, its just inconsequential, neither of these guys are really going anywhere. There at or near the end.
And not only that, we get to see Hopkins-Wright again. I'm a big Hopkins fan and have been one for a long time, but his style now is scrappy to say the least, and while that fight was a bit intriguing it definitely was pretty sloppy and not exactly a crowd pleaser. While I don't think it was as bad a fight as a lot of people say, it definitely is not one I want to watch again and again.
I mean this is one shitty doubleheader. I don't see another fight listed for the undercard, so I assume it will just be Hopkins-Wright and then Baldomir-Forrest. I see Berto listed as fighting Cosme Rivera, does anybody know if they're planning on showing that along with the replay and Baldo-Forrest?
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I have idea about the Berto fight being shown but I totally agree with everything you said although I think the fight is for a number 1 contender slot for the WBC title? Anyway,you are totally correct,it has no hype and in the grand scheme of things,no significance. I actually think 154 in general is really bad the moment. The one guy I thought might do well,Simms,lost too. The division is wide open.
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Yeah this is going to be about as exciting as my Grandmothers sewing club
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Yeah this is going to be about as exciting as my Grandmothers sewing club
That club is the highlight of my week. This must be an exciting fight...I can't wait now.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I have idea about the Berto fight being shown but I totally agree with everything you said although I think the fight is for a number 1 contender slot for the WBC title? Anyway,you are totally correct,it has no hype and in the grand scheme of things,no significance. I actually think 154 in general is really bad the moment. The one guy I thought might do well,Simms,lost too. The division is wide open.
Recycling these old fighters and giving them air time is just getting annoying. Nobody wants to see Vernon Forrest fight again. Even Vernon F****** hates himself.
Its like Mayorga-Vargas, does anybody care? Its apparently going to be on Showtime the night HBO has Guzman-Soto. How could anybody choose to watch the Mayorga-Vargas card over that one. Get these old guys out, no more Baldomir, no more Forrest, no more Vargas, no more Mayorga, no more Tarver, even guys that I've been a fan of like Quartey. I'm even tired of DLH, Mosley. This is getting to be a big thing with me, we need to showcase the young guys in the sport, stop recycling these old guys. I don't want Mayweather-Mosley, I want Mayweather-Cotto.
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I don't think Baldomir Vs. Forrest is a bad fight. Despite being a harsh critic I am willing to sit and watch just about any matchup offered to me. Like I said though, I have seen much worse than these two fellas.
Sure, Forrest will prob fight on the run and Baldomir will swing like a rusty gate but I'm looking forward to it all the same.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I have idea about the Berto fight being shown but I totally agree with everything you said although I think the fight is for a number 1 contender slot for the WBC title? Anyway,you are totally correct,it has no hype and in the grand scheme of things,no significance. I actually think 154 in general is really bad the moment. The one guy I thought might do well,Simms,lost too. The division is wide open.
Recycling these old fighters and giving them air time is just getting annoying. Nobody wants to see Vernon Forrest fight again. Even Vernon F****** hates himself.
Its like Mayorga-Vargas, does anybody care? Its apparently going to be on Showtime the night HBO has Guzman-Soto.
How could anybody choose to watch the Mayorga-Vargas card over that one. Get these old guys out, no more Baldomir, no more Forrest, no more Vargas, no more Mayorga, no more Tarver, even guys that I've been a fan of like Quartey. I'm even tired of DLH, Mosley. This is getting to be a big thing with me, we need to showcase the young guys in the sport, stop recycling these old guys. I don't want Mayweather-Mosley, I want Mayweather-Cotto.
I'll be watching Mayorga-Vargas. Say what you like about Mayorga, but that mouthy bastard is really entertaining. The fight will be great, so I can't wait to see it. I watch Mayorga because I love the look on his face when he gets KTFO.
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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
I don't think Baldomir Vs. Forrest is a bad fight. Despite being a harsh critic I am willing to sit and watch just about any matchup offered to me. Like I said though, I have seen much worse than these two fellas.
Sure, Forrest will prob fight on the run and Baldomir will swing like a rusty gate but I'm looking forward to it all the same.
Sometimes the fights that I have the lowest expectations for turn out to be surprisingly good.
I'm not counting on it here but who knows.
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
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I have idea about the Berto fight being shown but I totally agree with everything you said although I think the fight is for a number 1 contender slot for the WBC title? Anyway,you are totally correct,it has no hype and in the grand scheme of things,no significance. I actually think 154 in general is really bad the moment. The one guy I thought might do well,Simms,lost too. The division is wide open.
Recycling these old fighters and giving them air time is just getting annoying. Nobody wants to see Vernon Forrest fight again. Even Vernon F****** hates himself.
Its like Mayorga-Vargas, does anybody care? Its apparently going to be on Showtime the night HBO has Guzman-Soto.
How could anybody choose to watch the Mayorga-Vargas card over that one. Get these old guys out, no more Baldomir, no more Forrest, no more Vargas, no more Mayorga, no more Tarver, even guys that I've been a fan of like Quartey. I'm even tired of DLH, Mosley. This is getting to be a big thing with me, we need to showcase the young guys in the sport, stop recycling these old guys. I don't want Mayweather-Mosley, I want Mayweather-Cotto.
I'll be watching Mayorga-Vargas. Say what you like about Mayorga, but that mouthy B****** is really entertaining. The fight will be great, so I can't wait to see it. I watch Mayorga because I love the look on his face when he gets KTFO.
That fight would have been great to me three or four years ago. Its totally pointless now. Both guys look shot, definitely Vargas does and Mayorga doesn't seem to be same after Trinidad.
I'm still a bit of a Mayorga fan and I guess I would root for him but I'm definitely not planning on watching it over Guzman-Soto, that's one of the best matchups of the year.
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I don't know why people are complaining, could be worse, it could be off TV altogether.
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Originally Posted by 'Big' Dan McCarthy
I don't know why people are complaining, could be worse, it could be off TV altogether.
Cause HBO could just show a lot of better fights or fighters.
BAD used to be good, especially when they were focusing more on up and coming fighters.
Now its two guys, on the brink of retirement, in a fairly inconsequential fight. There should at least be an undercard. I don't know, I may watch it, it might be a good fight, who knows, but its definitely not very good matchmaking.
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Originally Posted by 'Big' Dan McCarthy
I don't know why people are complaining, could be worse, it could be off TV altogether.
Cause HBO could just show a lot of better fights or fighters.
BAD used to be good, especially when they were focusing more on up and coming fighters.
Now its two guys, on the brink of retirement, in a fairly inconsequential fight. There should at least be an undercard. I don't know, I may watch it, it might be a good fight, who knows, but its definitely not very good matchmaking.
My point is that this fight could be off tv altogether, that'd be worse right? I'm with you on the fact that the card kinda sucks but at least there's something to watch this Saturday. Plus you never know it could be a great fight, sometimes all hell breaks loose out of nowhere.
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Yeah this is going to be about as exciting as my Grandmothers sewing club
That club is the highlight of my week. This must be an exciting fight...I can't wait now.
I am married with Children.........When I attend the sewing club it's like a night on the town..........
Of course I have to always go CRAZY......Using two and three thimbles at a time
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Yeah this is going to be about as exciting as my Grandmothers sewing club
That club is the highlight of my week. This must be an exciting fight...I can't wait now.
I am married with Children.........When I attend the sewing club it's like a night on the town..........
Of course I have to always go CRAZY......Using two and three thimbles at a time
You're shittin me? You are one crazy motherfucker. I haven't got it in me to use more than one. One day though, I'll get there.
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I don't know why people are complaining, could be worse, it could be off TV altogether.
Cause HBO could just show a lot of better fights or fighters.
BAD used to be good, especially when they were focusing more on up and coming fighters.
Now its two guys, on the brink of retirement, in a fairly inconsequential fight. There should at least be an undercard. I don't know, I may watch it, it might be a good fight, who knows, but its definitely not very good matchmaking.
My point is that this fight could be off tv altogether, that'd be worse right? I'm with you on the fact that the card kinda sucks but at least there's something to watch this Saturday. Plus you never know it could be a great fight, sometimes all hell breaks loose out of nowhere.
I get what you're saying, I guess it would be worse. Maybe. Its just I think HBO could do a much better job, and at least show undercards. I mean how hard is that. Just adding Berto-Rivera to it would make things more interesting.
Although just read that apparently they're thinking of making Guzman-Soto the main event of a BAD card. That's the type of fight that should be the main event on a BAD card. So I guess HBO isn't doing everything wrong.
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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
I don't think Baldomir Vs. Forrest is a bad fight. Despite being a harsh critic I am willing to sit and watch just about any matchup offered to me. Like I said though, I have seen much worse than these two fellas.
Sure, Forrest will prob fight on the run and Baldomir will swing like a rusty gate but I'm looking forward to it all the same.
I agree, I think it could be interesting because Carlos will be there for Vernon to hit - hopefully we'll see him throw his right cross a great deal. Carlos wasn't a real big puncher @ 147 so he should have even less pop @ 154. I hope/think Vernon will be more willing to take risks & throw his big shots.
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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
I don't think Baldomir Vs. Forrest is a bad fight. Despite being a harsh critic I am willing to sit and watch just about any matchup offered to me. Like I said though, I have seen much worse than these two fellas.
Sure, Forrest will prob fight on the run and Baldomir will swing like a rusty gate but I'm looking forward to it all the same.
I'm with ya....i can't exactly say i'm gonna clear my schedule and have a bunch of people over but i'll definatly watch just about any fight...i can see why people get frustrated and think this fight is ass though..
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Anything with Berto Im going to see. I think Mayorga Vargas is much more intersting than Vernon Baldi but just as meaningless.
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Originally Posted by 'Big' Dan McCarthy
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
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I don't know why people are complaining, could be worse, it could be off TV altogether.
Cause HBO could just show a lot of better fights or fighters.
BAD used to be good, especially when they were focusing more on up and coming fighters.
Now its two guys, on the brink of retirement, in a fairly inconsequential fight. There should at least be an undercard. I don't know, I may watch it, it might be a good fight, who knows, but its definitely not very good matchmaking.
My point is that this fight could be off tv altogether, that'd be worse right? I'm with you on the fact that the card kinda sucks but at least there's something to watch this Saturday. Plus you never know it could be a great fight, sometimes all hell breaks loose out of nowhere.
I see what you're saying Dan but if it was not on TV,would anyone really care? I agree with Ouma,I too think that we need to make more tv time for the younger stars,the older guys can have their time too but we need to make new stars for the future and we do that by giving them exposure. Imagine how awesome it would have been if fights like Miranda-Pavlik,Marquez-Vazquez etc had been given some of the hype Oscar Floyd had been given.
I'd much much much rather see Guzman-Soto than Vargas Mayorga: 2 guys who have been brutally knocked one too many times,and have looked like shadows of their former selves.Mayorga cannot even handle 154 imo let alone the ridiculous catch weight of 162 and Vargas should have retired a while ago.
Guzman-Soto are 2 guys in/reaching their primes,great syles match up and the winner get a shot at the bigtime.These are the type of fights that need hyping.
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Anything with Berto Im going to see. I think Mayorga Vargas is much more intersting than Vernon Baldi but just as meaningless.
Is Berto on the same card though?
I doubt they'll show it, HBO just usually shows the replay from last week, then the main event.
I agree about the second part, they're both meaningless but at least Mayorga-Vargas is watchable.
After saying all of this Forrest-Baldozar will probably end up being an all out war ;D
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Ok it looks like it's left for Bilbo to play Devil's Advocate once again but I'm actually looking forward to this fight!
Ok so neither of them is probably going to do much in the division but ultimately is that all we watch boxing for?
Personally a good scrap to me is one that is evenly matched and this certainly has the makings of a fight that could go either way.
Ok, so neither fighter is as glamourous as say Cotto or Williams right now but Baldimor was the undisputed welterweight champion only last year and Vernon Forrest is a two time conquerer of Shane Mosely and a former top 10 p4p star.
It's a crossroads fight for both fighters, the winner will probably go on to have one last chance, the loser will probably have to go back to selling feather dusters.
These kind of make or break fights are always intriguing.
I agree that the Berto card should be shown, especially considering the potential for upset that exists there with Riveria coming within a whisker of beating Joel Julio a few months back.
Still I'm more than happy we get one fight at least to watch, and I'd personally rather watch two veteran fighters in a pick'em fight than one superstar in a walkover exhibition fight any day of the week.
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I don't know why people are complaining, could be worse, it could be off TV altogether.
Cause HBO could just show a lot of better fights or fighters.
BAD used to be good, especially when they were focusing more on up and coming fighters.
Now its two guys, on the brink of retirement, in a fairly inconsequential fight. There should at least be an undercard. I don't know, I may watch it, it might be a good fight, who knows, but its definitely not very good matchmaking.
My point is that this fight could be off tv altogether, that'd be worse right? I'm with you on the fact that the card kinda sucks but at least there's something to watch this Saturday. Plus you never know it could be a great fight, sometimes all hell breaks loose out of nowhere.
I see what you're saying Dan but if it was not on TV,would anyone really care? I agree with Ouma,I too think that we need to make more tv time for the younger stars,the older guys can have their time too but we need to make new stars for the future and we do that by giving them exposure. Imagine how awesome it would have been if fights like Miranda-Pavlik,Marquez-Vazquez etc had been given some of the hype Oscar Floyd had been given.
I'd much much much rather see Guzman-Soto than Vargas Mayorga: 2 guys who have been brutally knocked one too many times,and have looked like shadows of their former selves.Mayorga cannot even handle 154 imo let alone the ridiculous catch weight of 162 and Vargas should have retired a while ago.
Guzman-Soto are 2 guys in/reaching their primes,great syles match up and the winner get a shot at the bigtime.These are the type of fights that need hyping.
Yeah no question that Guzman v Soto is miles better than both of these match ups. I think Guzman really can be p4p top 3 material.
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Ok so neither of them is probably going to do much in the division but ultimately is that all we watch boxing for?
no but it helps when its a fight that at least I consider to be horrid matchmaking. I guess that's where we just disagree, I'm not looking forward to the fight at all. If it was an interesting matchup to me then I wouldn't really care how much it mattered in the long term.
But the two guys are both very very boring fighters to me AND it doesn't matter, bad combination.
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I nearly always disagree with you Bil and it's no different this time but 1 point I want to raise is the "crossroads" fight term. It's used way too much,and is nearly always not true. I remember the Shane v Vargas 1 fight:it was a crossraods fight and the loser would be finshed. Then we had number 2. Same thing again and lo,behold,we have Vargas Mayorga. I think the same will apply in this fight. The loser will keep going probably because the division is so weak. I actually recall reading Baldo was retiring after the Floyd fight! ???
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I don't know why Ouma's messing round at middleweight with the latin fake, he could be cleaning 154 up.
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I don't know why Ouma's messing round at middleweight with the latin fake, he could be cleaning 154 up.
Totally agree. I actually thought he would do well at 147,I mean I thought he was a small 154 pounder let alone being small at 160. Could you imagine him v someone like Pavlik/Miranda?! 154 is waiting to be cleaned up but the only probelm is,how much credit would anyone get?How many big fights are there to make there??
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I don't know why Ouma's messing round at middleweight with the latin fake, he could be cleaning 154 up.
I'm not sure what his matchmakers are trying to do. I didn't even get the point with fights like the Powell one. And I guess they were just trying to get a big payday with Taylor, but why hang around at 160. Just wasting time.
What if Mora's better than we think and too big and he loses. That would be embarrassing, I would rather him lose to just about anybody than Sergio Mora.
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I actually don't mind this matchup. I know there's been a lot worse out there. Beats no boxing at all
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The Berto fight is friday night about 3,000 miles away, it is not part of this HBO telecast.
HBO will show the replay of Hopkins-Wright, and will then show one live fight, Forrest vs. Baldomir.
Not only does this fight figure to be boring, it's also completely the opposite of what HBO's Boxing After Dark series is supposed to be about. BAD was supposed to be showcasing young up-and-coming prospects, not too guys in their mid-30s.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I have idea about the Berto fight being shown but I totally agree with everything you said although I think the fight is for a number 1 contender slot for the WBC title? Anyway,you are totally correct,it has no hype and in the grand scheme of things,no significance. I actually think 154 in general is really bad the moment. The one guy I thought might do well,Simms,lost too. The division is wide open.
That must be because you gave up on Cory Spinks, who would beat either of these guys
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erm, I dont see what the big deal about this fight being S*** is, there has been far worse Saturday nights of boxing.. im semi interested in it.
Im more excited about this than i was about Taylor Spinks (still quite close to 0 though).
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andre berto vs cosme rivera will be on ESPN's friday night fights.
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hey i bet that you think that this would be an even more boring card
Ruiz/Rahman II
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Spinks/Simms
as the undercard ;D
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I actually really want Baldo to win just so he can increase his own legacy. He's by now means a great fighter, but he's decent and his perseverence and attitude deserves to leave him to retire with some success.
In another 154lb note, I'm kinda gutted Quartey wants to fight at 147 as I was hoping he'd attract a few others to move up for the payday.
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The Berto fight is friday night about 3,000 miles away, it is not part of this HBO telecast.
HBO will show the replay of Hopkins-Wright, and will then show one live fight, Forrest vs. Baldomir.
Not only does this fight figure to be boring, it's also completely the opposite of what HBO's Boxing After Dark series is supposed to be about. BAD was supposed to be showcasing young up-and-coming prospects, not too guys in their mid-30s.
CC thanks for the Berto information and I agree with the second part.
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Vernon Forrest versus Baldomir. Could this be possibly the least anticipated fight of all time?
To be honest I don't think many people anticipated Tarver-Muriqui.
At least Baldo comes to fight and you know hes gonna try to make a fight out of it.
I really think Baldo-Forrest will be a pretty good fight.
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ATLEAST REPLAY OF BHOP AND WINKY WILL BE ON.
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I have idea about the Berto fight being shown but I totally agree with everything you said although I think the fight is for a number 1 contender slot for the WBC title? Anyway,you are totally correct,it has no hype and in the grand scheme of things,no significance. I actually think 154 in general is really bad the moment. The one guy I thought might do well,Simms,lost too. The division is wide open.
Recycling these old fighters and giving them air time is just getting annoying. Nobody wants to see Vernon Forrest fight again. Even Vernon F****** hates himself.
Its like Mayorga-Vargas, does anybody care? Its apparently going to be on Showtime the night HBO has Guzman-Soto. How could anybody choose to watch the Mayorga-Vargas card over that one. Get these old guys out, no more Baldomir, no more Forrest, no more Vargas, no more Mayorga, no more Tarver, even guys that I've been a fan of like Quartey. I'm even tired of DLH, Mosley. This is getting to be a big thing with me, we need to showcase the young guys in the sport, stop recycling these old guys. I don't want Mayweather-Mosley, I want Mayweather-Cotto.
WHAT?! Fuk that! I thought you were a Mayorga fan Oumafan? What happened to you? Mayorga vs. Vargas is gonna rock, two bullies goin at it to prove he's still got something left in the tank. Mayorga is gonna knock Vargas's ass out for sure. It'll be great to watch and action packed while it lasts. Forrest lost his last fight to Quartey and we all know it, I'll be rootin for Baldomir against him, though I don't much care for Baldomir either. And the Berto fight is on ESPN FNF I think.
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I have idea about the Berto fight being shown but I totally agree with everything you said although I think the fight is for a number 1 contender slot for the WBC title? Anyway,you are totally correct,it has no hype and in the grand scheme of things,no significance. I actually think 154 in general is really bad the moment. The one guy I thought might do well,Simms,lost too. The division is wide open.
Recycling these old fighters and giving them air time is just getting annoying. Nobody wants to see Vernon Forrest fight again. Even Vernon F****** hates himself.
Its like Mayorga-Vargas, does anybody care? Its apparently going to be on Showtime the night HBO has Guzman-Soto. How could anybody choose to watch the Mayorga-Vargas card over that one. Get these old guys out, no more Baldomir, no more Forrest, no more Vargas, no more Mayorga, no more Tarver, even guys that I've been a fan of like Quartey. I'm even tired of DLH, Mosley. This is getting to be a big thing with me, we need to showcase the young guys in the sport, stop recycling these old guys. I don't want Mayweather-Mosley, I want Mayweather-Cotto.
WHAT?! Fuk that! I thought you were a Mayorga fan Oumafan? What happened to you? Mayorga vs. Vargas is gonna rock, two bullies goin at it to prove he's still got something left in the tank. Mayorga is gonna knock Vargas's ass out for sure. It'll be great to watch and action packed while it lasts. Forrest lost his last fight to Quartey and we all know it, I'll be rootin for Baldomir against him, though I don't much care for Baldomir either. And the Berto fight is on ESPN FNF I think.
mann, vargas is no bully he tries but he the one that ends up getting punk ;D
