Gavin Rees rated 5th best Light-Welter in the World by Ring Magazine!

http://www.frankwarren.tv/drill/News...ng-top-10.html

An article from his promoter's website, but it appears that Gavin Rees has caught the eye of observers over the pond with his dominant win over Souleymane M'baye. Whilst most people agree that M'baye was there for the taking, and Rees has fought no-one else of consequence, it certainly is an achievement to get ranked by Ring Magazine, which most every boxing fan recognises as a bible of boxing.

I think The Ring has lost the plot to be honest. Their rankings have all been a bit wack recently, I prefer boxrec's now.

Maskaev number 3 heavyweight in the world ??? Rees 5th best welter ???

The governing bodies rankings ain't much worse than this

M,Baye was ranked #5 coming in so Rees just took over his place. Moving everyone down one & pushing out the man that could only manage a draw with M'Baye... Kotelnik.

If Soulyman M'Baye was in the 5th spot then The Ring have no choice but to put him there. Just don't expect him to be there long ;)

Hahahaha, the guy just about gets in top ten top Brits at 140 imo.

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Hahahaha, the guy just about gets in top ten top Brits at 140 imo.

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Whoever compiled this month's list has just won the "how to make yourself look ridiculous in one easy move" award.

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

http://www.frankwarren.tv/drill/News...ng-top-10.html

An article from his promoter's website, but it appears that Gavin Rees has caught the eye of observers over the pond with his dominant win over Souleymane M'baye. Whilst most people agree that M'baye was there for the taking, and Rees has fought no-one else of consequence, it certainly is an achievement to get ranked by Ring Magazine, which most every boxing fan recognises as a bible of boxing.

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I just shit me pant's..... :LOS:

I've said it before and recieved my sad clicks for it,the Ring is totally over rated. They have good ideas in the one belt per division and no sanctioning fees but to the average fan,it does not exist and even to some professionals like George Foreman,it has limited meaning(I remember him on numerous ocassions talking about the WBA,WBC etc having more meaning as they are visible titles). And having checked out their latest rankings,I have to say,it looks just as messed up as other rankings

1 1 447 FLOYD MAYWEATHER Welterweight
2 2 190 MANNY PACQUIAO Jr. Lightweight
3 3 81 RAFAEL MARQUEZ Jr. Featherweight
4 4 19 JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ Jr. Lightweight
5 6 59 BERNARD HOPKINS Lt. Heavyweight
6 5 172 WINKY WRIGHT Middleweight
7 7 73 JOE CALZAGHE Super Middleweight
8 9 113 RICKY HATTON Jr. Welterweight
9 8 390 MARCO ANTONIO BARRERA Jr. Lightweight
10 10 7 MIGUEL COTTO Welterweight

Also of note in the division rankings:

Enzo Maccarinelli stays at 5 at cruiser despite beating Wayne Braithwaite.
Gavin Rees debuts at 4 at light welter, Mbaye drops 1 to 5th. Still no Ricardo Torres??

I don't see how the heck MAB can still be there.No JT?Not sure about Cotto just yet,one more decent win does it for me though.

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I've said it before and recieved my sad clicks for it,the Ring is totally over rated. They have good ideas in the one belt per division and no sanctioning fees but to the average fan,it does not exist and even to some professionals like George Foreman,it has limited meaning(I remember him on numerous ocassions talking about the WBA,WBC etc having more meaning as they are visible titles). And having checked out their latest rankings,I have to say,it looks just as messed up as other rankings

1 1 447 FLOYD MAYWEATHER Welterweight
2 2 190 MANNY PACQUIAO Jr. Lightweight
3 3 81 RAFAEL MARQUEZ Jr. Featherweight
4 4 19 JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ Jr. Lightweight
5 6 59 BERNARD HOPKINS Lt. Heavyweight
6 5 172 WINKY WRIGHT Middleweight
7 7 73 JOE CALZAGHE Super Middleweight
8 9 113 RICKY HATTON Jr. Welterweight
9 8 390 MARCO ANTONIO BARRERA Jr. Lightweight
10 10 7 MIGUEL COTTO Welterweight

Also of note in the division rankings:

Enzo Maccarinelli stays at 5 at cruiser despite beating Wayne Braithwaite.
Gavin Rees debuts at 4 at light welter, Mbaye drops 1 to 5th. Still no Ricardo Torres??

I don't see how the heck MAB can still be there.No JT?Not sure about Cotto just yet,one more decent win does it for me though.

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wowee we are almost in complete agreement Gamo :o

Personally I don't disagree with Barrera in the top 10, he's only lost one fight recently to Marquez and that was pretty close, much closer than the official scores anyhow. Prior to that he was in the rIng's top 4 or 5. It suprises me more that they managed to somehow remove Jermain Taylor from the list completely despite the fact he won his last two and that B Hop managed to go beack up to number 5 BEFORE he beat Winky. It was completely bizarre how without even fighting he got himself back into the top 10, and also R Marquez somehow leapfrogged Winky just BEFORE Winky lost to B Hop even though neither fighter had fought in a few months ???

Personally the only ratings I trust are my own.

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquaio
3. R Marquez
4. B Hop
5. J M Marquez
6. Taylor
7. Calzaghe
8. Wright
9. Hatton
10. Barrera

Almost Bilbo,almost. ;D

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wowee we are almost in complete agreement Gamo :o

Personally I don't disagree with Barrera in the top 10, he's only lost one fight recently to Marquez and that was pretty close, much closer than the official scores anyhow. Prior to that he was in the rIng's top 4 or 5. It suprises me more that they managed to somehow remove Jermain Taylor from the list completely despite the fact he won his last two and that B Hop managed to go beack up to number 5 BEFORE he beat Winky. It was completely bizarre how without even fighting he got himself back into the top 10, and also R Marquez somehow leapfrogged Winky just BEFORE Winky lost to B Hop even though neither fighter had fought in a few months ???

Personally the only ratings I trust are my own.

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquaio
3. R Marquez
4. B Hop
5. J M Marquez
6. Taylor
7. Calzaghe
8. Gavin Rees
9. Hatton
10. Barrera

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Sorry, just one minor correction there bill-boh, how can the WBA light-welter champion not be ranked above the IBO world champion.

Or in other words....the whole situation is f***ed up.

All the rankings and ratings are a load of bollocks including The Rings.

Askeveryone to compile their P4P lists and all you end up with is the same names in slightly different orders.

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I've said it before and recieved my sad clicks for it,the Ring is totally over rated. They have good ideas in the one belt per division and no sanctioning fees but to the average fan,it does not exist and even to some professionals like George Foreman,it has limited meaning(I remember him on numerous ocassions talking about the WBA,WBC etc having more meaning as they are visible titles). And having checked out their latest rankings,I have to say,it looks just as messed up as other rankings

1 1 447 FLOYD MAYWEATHER Welterweight
2 2 190 MANNY PACQUIAO Jr. Lightweight
3 3 81 RAFAEL MARQUEZ Jr. Featherweight
4 4 19 JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ Jr. Lightweight
5 6 59 BERNARD HOPKINS Lt. Heavyweight
6 5 172 WINKY WRIGHT Middleweight
7 7 73 JOE CALZAGHE Super Middleweight
8 9 113 RICKY HATTON Jr. Welterweight
9 8 390 MARCO ANTONIO BARRERA Jr. Lightweight
10 10 7 MIGUEL COTTO Welterweight

Also of note in the division rankings:

Enzo Maccarinelli stays at 5 at cruiser despite beating Wayne Braithwaite.
Gavin Rees debuts at 4 at light welter, Mbaye drops 1 to 5th. Still no Ricardo Torres??

I don't see how the heck MAB can still be there.No JT?Not sure about Cotto just yet,one more decent win does it for me though.

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dunno why you keep being shocked at Jt notbeing in peoplesl's list's? he can barley beat guys who fought at welter and LMW, and looks shit in the ring, he shouldn't be in anyones top 20 just yet...

Erm Preme,may be Im shocked because he has 2 wins over B Hop who is number 5 and a draw with Winky who is number 6? 2 wins and a draw against 2 defensive masters,and guys who have been P4P for a while and JT does not make P4P?? Those 2 names on his resume are as good as anyone else names on other resumes. Sure he looked bad v Spinks and Ouma but he won.Simple as.

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Erm Preme,may be Im shocked because he has 2 wins over B Hop who is number 5 and a draw with Winky who is number 6? 2 wins and a draw against 2 defensive masters,and guys who have been P4P for a while and JT does not make P4P?? Those 2 names on his resume are as good as anyone else names on other resumes. Sure he looked bad v Spinks and Ouma but he won.Simple as.

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I'd tend to agree with you, however I think it is a question of on what criteria you judge the p4p status. If you look at it recently, B-Hop has beaten Tarver and Wright, whilst Taylor has struggled with Spinks and Ouma. For me I don't think Barrera should be in the p4p list any more, because he hasn't performed at the top level for a few years now, although he looked OK against JMM. I think Barrera is in there simply because of his pedigree, rather than where he ranks among his peers on current form.

Good post El Gamo..that perfectly highlights what a load of shit the ratings are.

Hopkins was their P4P NO.1 when Taylor fought him and Winky their NO.3..These two guys remain on their list even though Taylor is still unbeaten. Ridiculous.

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Erm Preme,may be Im shocked because he has 2 wins over B Hop who is number 5 and a draw with Winky who is number 6? 2 wins and a draw against 2 defensive masters,and guys who have been P4P for a while and JT does not make P4P?? Those 2 names on his resume are as good as anyone else names on other resumes. Sure he looked bad v Spinks and Ouma but he won.Simple as.

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I'd tend to agree with you, however I think it is a question of on what criteria you judge the p4p status. If you look at it recently, B-Hop has beaten Tarver and Wright, whilst Taylor has struggled with Spinks and Ouma. For me I don't think Barrera should be in the p4p list any more, because he hasn't performed at the top level for a few years now, although he looked OK against JMM. I think Barrera is in there simply because of his pedigree, rather than where he ranks among his peers on current form.

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Personally I think Calzaghe is top 10 P4P and would muller the likes of Taylor..BUT..Calzaghe's been on the Ring P4P list since beating Lacy which he's followed up with Bika and Manfredo. Lacy wasn't in their top 10. Bika and Manfredo - nuff said.

How can Calzaghe rank above Taylor if Taylor beat and drew with guys in their top 10 and remains unbeaten? ???

The ranking does seem rather silly if you ask me

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If Soulyman M'Baye was in the 5th spot then The Ring have no choice but to put him there. Just don't expect him to be there long ;)

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Good post El Gamo..that perfectly highlights what a load of shit the ratings are.

Hopkins was their P4P NO.1 when Taylor fought him and Winky their NO.3..These two guys remain on their list even though Taylor is still unbeaten. Ridiculous.

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I agree brother,thanks. I'm starting to take the view that all these rankings,RING included,are BS. I just want the best to fight the best,then I'll be happy. As for P4P,we all know who is in the list,we just differ as to where.We don't need a magazine to tell us.

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Erm Preme,may be Im shocked because he has 2 wins over B Hop who is number 5 and a draw with Winky who is number 6? 2 wins and a draw against 2 defensive masters,and guys who have been P4P for a while and JT does not make P4P?? Those 2 names on his resume are as good as anyone else names on other resumes. Sure he looked bad v Spinks and Ouma but he won.Simple as.

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I'd tend to agree with you, however I think it is a question of on what criteria you judge the p4p status. If you look at it recently, B-Hop has beaten Tarver and Wright, whilst Taylor has struggled with Spinks and Ouma. For me I don't think Barrera should be in the p4p list any more, because he hasn't performed at the top level for a few years now, although he looked OK against JMM. I think Barrera is in there simply because of his pedigree, rather than where he ranks among his peers on current form.

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Personally I think Calzaghe is top 10 P4P and would muller the likes of Taylor..BUT..Calzaghe's been on the Ring P4P list since beating Lacy which he's followed up with Bika and Manfredo. Lacy wasn't in their top 10. Bika and Manfredo - nuff said.

How can Calzaghe rank above Taylor if Taylor beat and drew with guys in their top 10 and remains unbeaten? ???

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I think the only way to justify that is that Calzaghe is the biggest guy on their list and that he is dominating a division where he is head an shoulders better than anyone in there, except for the guy he's fighting next. There's still a few m/w's out there that Taylor needs to beat, such as Pavlik, but if he wins that one then he'll have to go in the mixer there too.

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Erm Preme,may be Im shocked because he has 2 wins over B Hop who is number 5 and a draw with Winky who is number 6? 2 wins and a draw against 2 defensive masters,and guys who have been P4P for a while and JT does not make P4P?? Those 2 names on his resume are as good as anyone else names on other resumes. Sure he looked bad v Spinks and Ouma but he won.Simple as.

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so what your saying is if a fighter gets onto the p4p list and doesnt lose, he should not be replaced?

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Erm Preme,may be Im shocked because he has 2 wins over B Hop who is number 5 and a draw with Winky who is number 6? 2 wins and a draw against 2 defensive masters,and guys who have been P4P for a while and JT does not make P4P?? Those 2 names on his resume are as good as anyone else names on other resumes. Sure he looked bad v Spinks and Ouma but he won.Simple as.

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I'd tend to agree with you, however I think it is a question of on what criteria you judge the p4p status. If you look at it recently, B-Hop has beaten Tarver and Wright, whilst Taylor has struggled with Spinks and Ouma. For me I don't think Barrera should be in the p4p list any more, because he hasn't performed at the top level for a few years now, although he looked OK against JMM. I think Barrera is in there simply because of his pedigree, rather than where he ranks among his peers on current form.

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Most people who watched that fight agreed JMM won a very very close decision.. a few thought barrera even won.. so if JMM just won and stays in the list, then surly barrera should be jsut behinde him in it?

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Erm Preme,may be Im shocked because he has 2 wins over B Hop who is number 5 and a draw with Winky who is number 6? 2 wins and a draw against 2 defensive masters,and guys who have been P4P for a while and JT does not make P4P?? Those 2 names on his resume are as good as anyone else names on other resumes. Sure he looked bad v Spinks and Ouma but he won.Simple as.

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sorry, u mention spinks...

Yeah he got the DC, JUST again... but going by that, anaturalmiddle v a former WW and JUST won.. surlyif taylor belongs on the list then spinks does to?? you would have to be higher up even, being the smaller fighter and unluckily lossing against the undisputed middleweight??

P4P list is a list of the best fighters in the world right now, and taylor sure as hell isnt one.... its not a case of what you done 3 years ago, or how many fans you have... if your one of the best boxers in the world you belong on that list, if you look piss poor and are not performing, you don't belong there, simple as that.

I see the same people (not saying u gam) defending taylor for being dropped form the list, when they had no problems when hatton was, even tho he was still winning...

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Erm Preme,may be Im shocked because he has 2 wins over B Hop who is number 5 and a draw with Winky who is number 6? 2 wins and a draw against 2 defensive masters,and guys who have been P4P for a while and JT does not make P4P?? Those 2 names on his resume are as good as anyone else names on other resumes. Sure he looked bad v Spinks and Ouma but he won.Simple as.

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I'd tend to agree with you, however I think it is a question of on what criteria you judge the p4p status. If you look at it recently, B-Hop has beaten Tarver and Wright, whilst Taylor has struggled with Spinks and Ouma. For me I don't think Barrera should be in the p4p list any more, because he hasn't performed at the top level for a few years now, although he looked OK against JMM. I think Barrera is in there simply because of his pedigree, rather than where he ranks among his peers on current form.

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Most people who watched that fight agreed JMM won a very very close decision.. a few thought barrera even won.. so if JMM just won and stays in the list, then surly barrera should be jsut behinde him in it?

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Have no idea where you are going with that one bro.Fightwriter,Eastside,doghouse,boxingtalk and maxboxing had JMM winning with scores similar to those of the judges.NONE thought MAB won(I posted the scores at the time) and most of these guys help RING to decide their lists. Also,I agree with SHR,MAB has not fought great competition for a long long time(Fana,Peden,even Juarez do not cut it for me)

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Erm Preme,may be Im shocked because he has 2 wins over B Hop who is number 5 and a draw with Winky who is number 6? 2 wins and a draw against 2 defensive masters,and guys who have been P4P for a while and JT does not make P4P?? Those 2 names on his resume are as good as anyone else names on other resumes. Sure he looked bad v Spinks and Ouma but he won.Simple as.

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sorry, u mention spinks...

Yeah he got the DC, JUST again... but going by that, anaturalmiddle v a former WW and JUST won.. surlyif taylor belongs on the list then spinks does to?? you would have to be higher up even, being the smaller fighter and unluckily lossing against the undisputed middleweight??

P4P list is a list of the best fighters in the world right now, and taylor sure as hell isnt one.... its not a case of what you done 3 years ago, or how many fans you have... if your one of the best boxers in the world you belong on that list, if you look piss poor and are not performing, you don't belong there, simple as that.

I see the same people (not saying u gam) defending taylor for being dropped form the list, when they had no problems when hatton was, even tho he was still winning...

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I'm surprised to see the highlighted because if that is the case, and I'm just using him as an example again because I know you really like him,MAB should not have been on the list for a long long time. He looked like shit v Juarez the first time(a Juarez who got his ass handed on a plate to him by Soto) and he beat guys like I mentioned earlier. His biggest fight in ages(v JMM and he lost it).

My point is, JT beat and drew with 2 P4P and HOF guys,which was not too long ago and he's not on the list? How can anyone argue against that? Sure he looked woeful in his last 2 fights but it does not detract from the fact that he got the W and beat/drew with 2 guys that are there now.


Post your list for me please.

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M,Baye was ranked #5 coming in so Rees just took over his place. Moving everyone down one & pushing out the man that could only manage a draw with M'Baye... Kotelnik.

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Right. I think the right thing was done in this case. If you beat a ranked guy you break into the rankings.

Also,

Once you break into the top 10 you either slip down the list from ass whippings or get pulled due to inactivity. That's how I remember it being.

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Erm Preme,may be Im shocked because he has 2 wins over B Hop who is number 5 and a draw with Winky who is number 6? 2 wins and a draw against 2 defensive masters,and guys who have been P4P for a while and JT does not make P4P?? Those 2 names on his resume are as good as anyone else names on other resumes. Sure he looked bad v Spinks and Ouma but he won.Simple as.

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I'd tend to agree with you, however I think it is a question of on what criteria you judge the p4p status. If you look at it recently, B-Hop has beaten Tarver and Wright, whilst Taylor has struggled with Spinks and Ouma. For me I don't think Barrera should be in the p4p list any more, because he hasn't performed at the top level for a few years now, although he looked OK against JMM. I think Barrera is in there simply because of his pedigree, rather than where he ranks among his peers on current form.

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Most people who watched that fight agreed JMM won a very very close decision.. a few thought barrera even won.. so if JMM just won and stays in the list, then surly barrera should be jsut behinde him in it?

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Have no idea where you are going with that one bro.Fightwriter,Eastside,doghouse,boxingtalk and AUTO MESSAGE: The webmaster of this site has requested that we do not use any content from it.... please delete this post had JMM winning with scores similar to those of the judges.NONE thought MAB won(I posted the scores at the time) and most of these guys help RING to decide their lists. Also,I agree with SHR,MAB has not fought great competition for a long long time(Fana,Peden,even Juarez do not cut it for me)

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Erm Preme,may be Im shocked because he has 2 wins over B Hop who is number 5 and a draw with Winky who is number 6? 2 wins and a draw against 2 defensive masters,and guys who have been P4P for a while and JT does not make P4P?? Those 2 names on his resume are as good as anyone else names on other resumes. Sure he looked bad v Spinks and Ouma but he won.Simple as.

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sorry, u mention spinks...

Yeah he got the DC, JUST again... but going by that, anaturalmiddle v a former WW and JUST won.. surlyif taylor belongs on the list then spinks does to?? you would have to be higher up even, being the smaller fighter and unluckily lossing against the undisputed middleweight??

P4P list is a list of the best fighters in the world right now, and taylor sure as hell isnt one.... its not a case of what you done 3 years ago, or how many fans you have... if your one of the best boxers in the world you belong on that list, if you look piss poor and are not performing, you don't belong there, simple as that.

I see the same people (not saying u gam) defending taylor for being dropped form the list, when they had no problems when hatton was, even tho he was still winning...

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I'm surprised to see the highlighted because if that is the case, and I'm just using him as an example again because I know you really like him,MAB should not have been on the list for a long long time. He looked like S*** v Juarez the first time(a Juarez who got his a** handed on a plate to him by Soto) and he beat guys like I mentioned earlier. His biggest fight in ages(v JMM and he lost it).

My point is, JT beat and drew with 2 P4P and HOF guys,which was not too long ago and he's not on the list? How can anyone argue against that? Sure he looked woeful in his last 2 fights but it does not detract from the fact that he got the W and beat/drew with 2 guys that are there now.


Post your list for me please.

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Thing is what was the odds for Barrera/ Marquez? I'm sure it was a hell of a lot closer than Taylor/ Spinks! Taylor was a huge favorite going in & many thought he lost. Barrera maybe not the favorite going in had a better shot of winning in the majority of peoples minds than Spinks did. Therefore IMO Taylor deserved to be removed!