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Here's my videos...Didn't do as well as I would have hoped but I'll do better next time...any comments/suggestions or anything, it's all appreciated. I'm in the red headgear. Dude I was sparring claims to have been boxing for 7 years(on and off I'm assuming). Well anyways here they are let me know what you think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV9tL2QIs4I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9eCK6zgj88
Thanks
I like your attitude,the coach should have given you more protection
its your first time and of course there are a couple of first time mistakes that most people commit. the most imperative thing you need to address is not looking down every time you see a punch coming. your trainers kept saying hands up, they should have been saying head up, because having your hands up and your head down aint gonna do nothin but get you messed up. head up.
had a problem awhile back where i was getting gun shy and looking away when i was under a lot of pressure. it was a developmental thing, i turn and pull away from punches a lot, and what happened was when i sparred with the same guy every week for 2 months he figured out my timing and range and started catching me more. the more i got caught the more i pulled away and it got to the point where my pulling away was nothing more than turning and crap rolling. enter situational sparring (kind of)...i backed into a corner for 5 rounds straight one day so that i couldnt turn away. i got hit clean with a lot of right hands (probably 20-25), but the habit was broken because the corner pad wouldnt let me turn or pull back more than a certain amount. believe it or not the more i got hit the less i got scared because it kept hurting less and less. now my head movement is back to where it was before the incident, even when i do get hit.
When he hits you is when you look down. Also, this guy is very very hittable. His chin is up in the air.
It seems that he has more experience throwing punches than you do. He throws a jab-right-hook over and over again...You cross your feet when you move. Don't do that.
I'd bet if you are able to train regularly and get some sparring or partnerwork in reasonably often (maybe not always this intense) you'll be bashing Mr 7 years within 6 months.
I think he's trying to intimidate you but as greynotsold says he's very hittable and if you can make few little adjustments as intelligently mentioned above you'll be bashing him easily very soon.
Of course I'm not a coach but that's what I think. Other opinions?
I'd like to see another vid in 6 months :)
I'm with Sharla, looks like you want to be in the ring!
If that guy has been boxing for 7 years then pretty soon you're going to be able to say you're better than some one who's been boxing 7 years as long as you stick in, practice and think! :)
biggest mistakes I could see is that you only ever moved one way and you kept putting your head down, big no no! it's good to see you trying to roll shots, but remember: the knees, feet and shoulders move, not the head/spine. :)
Guys thanks for the comments. How do I work on my movement? Circling to the left is what feels natural to me and I can't even envision moving to my right while throwing punches.
Thanks for all the compliments, I've only been boxing for about 4 months(although I have a little experience in wrestling, which I believed has helped me with my footwork)
to the left will feel natural if you're orthodox and yeah, you don't want to move your right foot as you throw. You're not throwing all teh time though, you want to keep turning and moving your opponent which you can't do by moving one way! ;)
Ok that makes a LOT more sense. Thanks
Cool Click #4 , I think your doing a great job mate. I would like to see less wasted movement from you. Make the guy miss by stepping off to the side a bit, then be ready to fire and press a bit of your own.!
All that wasted movement is simply taking you way out of range and allowing you sparring mate to simply walk you down,
Instead of trying to get all that distance between you and him make him miss , onlyby an inch or so, this allows you to be able and return fire you will still be in range , this will alsokeep you fresher.
I look forward to seeing your progression, . best of luck .- LG
Cool Click #5
FORGET 6 MONTHS, i say at least 3, and you'll be able to get some "sparring revenge" (remember, no one sould be getting beat up in the gym!!) but as before stated keep you head up at all time, but keep you chin tucked down. and be more relaxed...you'll see the punches coming better either watch the shoulders or elbows and that usually gives away what punch he will be doing...
best of luck to you
To add,about the putting your head down
Every time your out of range,the guy peek a boo's(he drops his hands to track where you were) but you cant see that cause your heads down.
Catching him coming forward like that would mess him up
From what i can tell you blatantly think alot more then first timers and its good that you move side to side..
All the mistake you made you neednt worry about..
The finer tuning will come with time, practice and comfort in bieng in the ring..
Once you stop thinking about bieng hit and are used to it you can move on
Also stop reaching so far with the jab,your ranges arent that different,but you arent getting any on yours because your allways overextended
And when he paws with that right(and he does)a cross or hook counter would catch him dead flush
just to say , i would kick both ur assses just with a jab, and im not disrespecting u , lemme tell u y, he is wide open for straight punches and comes forwaard squared up, ur lettin him pressure u and run round the ring, stand ur ground and pop him with a few to make him stop, just pop the jab with mean intentions, and u , keep ur eyes up, chin down , hands up at all times, and im sorry i jus remeberd its ur first time so not bad u actully did alriet jus didnt want to delelte everythin i wrote lol, lemme ask u sumtin , how old are u and how long have u been boxing?
I'm 18 and I've been boxing about 4 months or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by the phenom
than u did great, jus keep working hard buddy and remeber look up and have more pop on ur punchesQuote:
Originally Posted by David H
just to say...i would probably kick your ass with just a jab, and im not disrespecting you. oh wait, you sorta back tracked, i just dont feel like going back and erasing what i wrote before.Quote:
Originally Posted by the phenom
dude, obvious beginner making the most common beginner mistakes that i guarantee you made too. ease up
yeah if u read my last post i did ease up, its just my gym got these punks that do stupid shit over and over and been boxing for years, i just didnt know i honestly did nt pay attention to the post and wen strait to watching the video and went to my critsizing like i do in my gym and felt like i should leave the critsizm no matter how harsh it sounded and decided to take note and tell him he did alrite for his first time and wen i relized how long he been boxing i figured he is doin great actually so be so kind and ease up on me, im really a nice guy, im not an asshole like i sounded lol ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by spaceballwon
Anyone else think Mr 7 years is a bit too heavy handed on a first timer or am I just a bit soft? I wouldn't be a tough session on someone a little more experienced but for your very first sparring session I'm thinking he's being a bit of an A**hole!
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Originally Posted by Sharla
yeah im wit u, alot of times wen my coach puts me in wit beginers whose its first or second time sparring i either just work defense or jus alowed to throw jabs, but mr 7 years isnt really good for sumone who sais hes been boxing seven years, david if u train hard ull beat this guy in 2 months or 3 months no problem
i dont really think its going to hard for one reason:
he doesnt fight like someone that has 7 years of skill training or exp. if he did, and he was swinging for the fences with the newbie, then yeah, i would say he was being a bit out of whack, but since he seems like a rather unpolished beginner himself, its hard to accuse him of going to hard.
any time a trainer asks me to work with someone who has never sparred before, i keep two things in mind: one, dont hit him on the chin, and two, let him land some shots if he is doing something right. since its a sport where you work from the ground up, its important that beginners trust their basics. if i see a kid working a jab dilligently, even though i'm constantly sniffing it out and in no danger of getting hit by it, i'll let him bounce a few off my head and give him a nod and a smile. or if a kid tries to work the body, which is rare for a first timer, i will cover my floating rib and liver and just let him crack my ribs a few times so he doesnt get discouraged and become a head hunter.
what i see here though, is two people who aren't really looking to exploit weakness or help each other out, just throwing punches really, and if someone has seven years of experience, then they should be beyond throwing punches, and the kid w/ 4 months of exp. will probably go past him soon enough.
I am always told not to deliberately overwhelm a beginner I spar with. Sure if I have to defend myself against big shots then I will but if they can't even look up and I keep the pressure on and I have 7 years experience (whether I'm good or not) then I know it's not a case of mutual benefit.
I think Mr 7 years wants to make sure Mr 4 months doesn't overtake him. It's a pride thing that's blinding him to the benefit he can get out of letting his sparring partner get a feel for what he's meant to be doing in there.
You don't have to be good to bully a beginner.
I guess I should give Mr 7 years the benefit of the doubt though since perhaps as you say spaceball he doesn't know any better. Maybe the same thing was done to him when he started?
That dude was definitely going too hard if that was your first time sparring.. with that said, if I were you, i'd rear back and throw a straight right to his nose, it's open ALL DAY.. You may take a punch or two but he will back up if you hit him without a doubt. For the record i, personally, wouldn't do that in a sparring session but this guy is clearly trying to overwhelm you, someone who is a beginner.
And the trainers dont know how to reprimand and control when its going on?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharla
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Good job man! It takes guts getting into the ring. I like the way you keep moving, sort of like a Shane Mosley.. ;)
Just be careful and not put your head down so much...you might not see a hard hit coming...but you got heart...mad props 8)
Good Point. Were trainers there or were the people talking just other boxers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
At a boxing coaching clinic i went to (not that I'm coaching any time soon as I'd like a few more years more experience first just wanted to do the course for my own benefit) I met a coach who believed in doing everything the same way his coach taught him.
Thing was the stories he told were about toughing it out and getting injured in training and being thrown in the deep end a lot. Especially since he planned to teach kids and had already accidentally broken a student's elbow in sparring (an adult's thankfully) I'm not sure that's the best approach.
OK he loves and respects his original trainer but surely you can respect the person who gave you your start in the sport without emulating absolutely everything they did?
Just to clear a few things up...There was several trainers there, and the guy I was sparring was told a few times to calm down and take it easy...I don't think you can hear it on the video. But I think what he was doing was more because he didn't know what he was doing, rather than him being an asshole.
I don't really want to spar him again. I'm not scared or anything, I just feel like I would learn more against more experienced guys that would let me work instead of trying to kick my ass.
You're a very understanding guy CC David. You'll probably enjoy sparring him in a few months but I can see why he's not the greatest sparring partner just initially. I kinda doubt he'd be likely to tone it down if he doesn't when the coaches are telling him to now either.
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Originally Posted by the phenom
Did not need to be said.. The board is for help not to put people down or attempt to brag..
Not worth a post
I think you did a good job . sometimes you get your best work with these types. if you can handle it mentally I would stick with this sparring mate. . a few adjustments and you will be kicking his ass, trust me, you froze him several times with shots , only you stepped back instead of moving in. next time try pressing and stepping off to the side. hold your ground some ,let your hand go, then and step off again.. repeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by David H
also get yourself in proper condition ..fatigue is the real enemy of any fighter . get on the treadmill. do some burnouts on the heavybag . 3 min drills.. nothing but punches, not real hard, just keep them coming. tap tap tap tap tap.. work the mitts and defense with you trainer. come back in few weeks and kick that blokes ass. look forward to watching your progression !
Oh yeah, I don't think I mentioned it but I did gas out very, very quickly. So what you said about proper conditioning is very true. But that's what I get for going easy the last week or two.
Next time I spar, I won't be as afraid of getting hit. I plan on standing my ground more and not running in circles as much. If I could do that and work on keeping my head up when I duck, I'll be pretty satisfied with my next sparring session.
thats the attitude to have mate ! you will do much better next time out , and so on. best of luckQuote:
Originally Posted by David H
Yep I agree, He looks more experienced at times but out of condition and out of practice .Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharla
he got angry there at one stage too and went head hunting in reply; he hates being out of condition and hates being hit by a first time sparrer who at times caught him comming in. Great job David.
You did bettter than my first attempts.
That head down stuff is hard to break the habit of when getting hit and they swamp you moving in. But watch him closely on the vid, he is open for an uppercut that you can deliver with rising full leg force from down there. Some people can use that to an advantage,hope you can to eventually or break the habit one or the other.
You have to cover your head both sides and peek up at them while wavering about below them if you do that stuff for a reason and then come up out of hell and have them when you see the opening appear just after they miss a shot.
When someones low and wavering a good fighter follows the same path that the low wavers head passes through with his fists; instead of taking straight shots at something moving sideways as this bloke does.
Its those ones who leave the openings that you can set up by being down there; but the other ones that plant themselves and follow your head path with their fists are the ones you learn fast not to go low in front of, until your feet can carry you into safe spaces while being down there in some control of things.
All things work in fighting sometimes just not all things all of the time.