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Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
I mean Diaz is really just another guy.
He didn't look good at all versus Kendall Holt and didn't look good at all for the first 10 or so rounds of the Santa Cruz fight. Credit to him for managing to pull it out but that was Santa Cruz. He's a very limited guy, who would have have pretty much no shot against guys like Juan Diaz, Joel Casamayor. He's slow, kinda plodding, not even that busy from what I've seen, and pretty easy to hit. I guess he's reasonably tough.
There's no need to go into how much better Morales was prime for prime, that's beyond discussion, its just a question of is he too shot to even beat a very average guy? I'm afraid he might be. It would almost be worse if he wins, then he might decide he can take on the big boys of 135.
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
You hit the nail on the head. Its a lose lose situation especially for a Morales fan such as myself. He does not need to take this fight,even if he wins,how much credit does he get?He may also decide to continue which could be disastrous. On the other hand,if he loses,it'll tarnish his record even further.I'm really not keen on this fight.
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
His best bet would have been to jump divisions and take on Soliman M'Baye, even Gatti could have won that fight.
Although if he does beat Diaz he could always challenge Gavin Rees and the chance to become a 5 weight world champ..................
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
I think Morales beats Diaz with out much problems. There is no doubt that Morales is not the same fighter he once was. But I don't think he's totally shot yet. He's at a point in his career were he has no business being in the ring with fighters who are faster than him. Cuz speed will beat him. But fighters who you just come forward? I think Morales can still take them. Especially a guy like Diaz. Morales was in shape and came to fight in his third fight with Pac. But Pac's speed killed him. Diaz doesn't present that problem.
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
His best bet would have been to jump divisions and take on Soliman M'Baye, even Gatti could have won that fight.
Although if he does beat Diaz he could always challenge Gavin Rees and the chance to become a 5 weight world champ..................
I don't know whether you're being sarcastic or not but it sounds like a good idea to me ;D
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
I think he looked bad against Pacquiao in the third fight because he was weight drained. He may be better off at lightweight, I would love to see him put on a good showing.
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
His best bet would have been to jump divisions and take on Soliman M'Baye, even Gatti could have won that fight.
Although if he does beat Diaz he could always challenge Gavin Rees and the chance to become a 5 weight world champ..................
Let's if I got this straight. Based on his win over the mediocre Souleymane M'baye. Rees is now I guess the next great British fighter, right?
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
I think it is over for Morales. And just hope that he does not get hurt. Even if he wins I hope he does not continue forward. But I don\'t think he can even beat Diaz at this stage in his career.
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
I don't know how much is left in morales to loose the way he did in his last fight raised some questions...i think diaz is a safe enough fight for him to impress some but not most and he does have a slim chance of loosing all together.
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
i'm just hoping he has a good showing, and well (going out on a limb here) maybe he's not done after all, but i just hope he has a good showing and goes out on a win
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
Diaz has never beaten a great fighter. Every good fighter he has fought he had trouble with. Hes never fought anyone on Morales' level and only fought past 10 rounds once. Morales should beat him if he has anything left.
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
On Morales being shot, what bothers me is he got knocked down in 3 rounds to Pacquiao in a fight where he didn't looked as drained going in as he did in the second Pac fight. He might be done, I hope this isn't the case being a huge Morales fan. El Terrible needs to box like he did against Ayala and not go in for an all out brawl.
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
As honest as I can be with you IMO, Morales is just waaaay past his best days. He has been since the end of the the 2nd Pac fight.
I would favor a handful of Lightweights over Morales at this point.
Damn! One of my all time favs. :(
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
I agree Mick that Morales is past his best but I still believe he has enough left to deal with Diaz!
Maybe I'm wrong but one thing is for sure: Morales won't go without a fight!
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
You hit the nail on the head. Its a lose lose situation especially for a Morales fan such as myself. He does not need to take this fight,even if he wins,how much credit does he get?He may also decide to continue which could be disastrous. On the other hand,if he loses,it'll tarnish his record even further.I'm really not keen on this fight.
I don't agree it's a lose-lose situation.If he wins, then retires, it's a winning situation. He has said this will likely be his swansong. What Pacquiao did to him in the 3rd fight was pretty brutal though. It kinda looked like a beating a fighter can't recover from.
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
ok, to all of you guys who says erik is shot. what if he wins big against diaz?
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
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Originally Posted by KKisser
ok, to all of you guys who says erik is shot. what if he wins big against diaz?
I'd like to see him retire on a big performance.
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
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ok, to all of you guys who says erik is shot. what if he wins big against diaz?
I'd like to see him retire on a big performance.
4th world crown for Erik?.. Wow! what a retirement that would be.
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Originally Posted by KKisser
ok, to all of you guys who says erik is shot. what if he wins big against diaz?
If Erik wins, I would poke my right eye with this pencil that I'm holding right now. ;D Just kiddin.
I wouldn't count him out.
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Originally Posted by KKisser
ok, to all of you guys who says erik is shot. what if he wins big against diaz?
I'd like to see him retire on a big performance.
I'd like to see him retire too. But I think he's stated if he wins he would like to have a farewell fight in Tijuana
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
I think so, I thought he was shot before he met Pac the first time. When he won, I was surprised and assumed it was his size that kept him in the fight. But again he is shot.
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
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Originally Posted by Mad_Dog
I think so, I thought he was shot before he met Pac the first time. When he won, I was surprised and assumed it was his size that kept him in the fight. But again he is shot.
so even if he puts in an impressive performance against diaz you still think he's shot?
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by KKisser
ok, to all of you guys who says erik is shot. what if he wins big against diaz?
I'd like to see him retire on a big performance.
I'd like to see him retire too. But I think he's stated if he wins he would like to have a farewell fight in Tijuana
If Barrera loses to Marquez again then a forth outing between thses two legends would be an awesome finale for both guys!!!
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
I think you meant Pac. But it would be a good ending, but being a Morales fan I kinda think Morales is a bit shot, where Barerra has some left in him. I would not want to see Barerra KO Morales.
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
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I think you meant Pac. But it would be a good ending, but being a Morales fan I kinda think Morales is a bit shot, where Barerra has some left in him. I would not want to see Barerra KO Morales.
Yeah cc bro, must have been dreaming. I agree Barrera may have more left in the tank. They could end 2 wins a piece though if Morales could pull out one more superb performance!
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
His best bet would have been to jump divisions and take on Soliman M'Baye, even Gatti could have won that fight.
Although if he does beat Diaz he could always challenge Gavin Rees and the chance to become a 5 weight world champ..................
Let's if I got this straight. Based on his win over the mediocre Souleymane M'baye. Rees is now I guess the next great British fighter, right?
Wrong he is probably the shittest World Champ in the game right now.
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
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Wrong he is probably the shittest World Champ in the game right now.
until tomorrow night.....................
long live the wbc jr. middleweight champion of the world
carlos baldomir or vernon forrest
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
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Wrong he is probably the shittest World Champ in the game right now.
until tomorrow night.....................
long live the wbc jr. middleweight champion of the world
carlos baldomir or vernon forrest
;D. Horrible fight.
As for KKisser's question, if he looks dominant against Diaz I'd still have my doubts that he could look that way against the big time fighters. I just don't rate Diaz at all.
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
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Originally Posted by Mad_Dog
I think so, I thought he was shot before he met Pac the first time. When he won, I was surprised and assumed it was his size that kept him in the fight. But again he is shot.
so even if he puts in an impressive performance against diaz you still think he's shot?
he won't and this breaks my heart he is one of my favorite fighters
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Re: Is Morales shot to the point of losing to a guy like David Diaz?
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Originally Posted by KKisser
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I think so, I thought he was shot before he met Pac the first time. When he won, I was surprised and assumed it was his size that kept him in the fight. But again he is shot.
so even if he puts in an impressive performance against diaz you still think he's shot?
he won't and this breaks my heart he is one of my favorite fighters
i didn't know we have a psychic in the house. :)
