One reason why I like George Bush......

Because unlike any British politician he actually talks some smack to journalists.

Take this nice put down of British reporter Nick Robinson

NEW YORK At a recent press conference at Camp David, President George Bush insulted BBC political editor Nick Robinson, the Daily Mirror reports.

Robinson, who has asked Bush pointed questions in the past such as whetherthe president was “in denial” over the Iraq war, posed a question to Bush about whether he could trust visiting British Prime Minister Gordon Brown not to “cut and run” from Iraq.

Bush replied with a dismissal: “Are you still hanging around?”

Later on, Bush poked fun at the bare-pate of Robinson, joking, “You’d better cover up your bald head, it’s getting hot out.”

The respected British reporter shot back, “I didn’t know you cared.”

Bush responded with a cool, “I don’t.” The Mirror reports that Bush then “snorted disdainfully” and “walked away to laughter.”


:D I do like the way he says what he thinks, none of the British diplomatic crap for Bush :P

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....that's great

Bush is gangsta for real, but america doesn't need aggression it needs al gore ;D

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Bush is gangsta for real, but america doesn't need aggression it needs al gore ;D

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....yes we need someone to preach at us about the evironment while he uses 10 times more energy than everyone else BUT he buys carbon offsets which is totally rational :beat:

Al Gore is a peice of shit, W ain't the greatest but he's the lesser evil out of the choices we had....W, Gore, and Kerry.....John Kerry is a total fucking idiot and Al Gore is a whiney bastard....W is stubborn as hell though

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Because unlike any British politician he actually talks some smack to journalists.

Take this nice put down of British reporter Nick Robinson

NEW YORK At a recent press conference at Camp David, President George Bush insulted BBC political editor Nick Robinson, the Daily Mirror reports.

Robinson, who has asked Bush pointed questions in the past such as whetherthe president was “in denial” over the Iraq war, posed a question to Bush about whether he could trust visiting British Prime Minister Gordon Brown not to “cut and run” from Iraq.

Bush replied with a dismissal: “Are you still hanging around?”

Later on, Bush poked fun at the bare-pate of Robinson, joking, “You’d better cover up your bald head, it’s getting hot out.”

The respected British reporter shot back, “I didn’t know you cared.”

Bush responded with a cool, “I don’t.” The Mirror reports that Bush then “snorted disdainfully” and “walked away to laughter.”


:D I do like the way he says what he thinks, none of the British diplomatic crap for Bush :P

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I disagree, Baggins. I think a president getting personal and offensive with a journalist who is just trying to ask serious questions is bang out of line. Its just plain rude.

It would be nice if once Bush had the decency to stand up and answer in depth to some of the things he has carried out during his tenure of the presidency. Instead he resorts to cheap shots.

Its quite sad really.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Because unlike any British politician he actually talks some smack to journalists.

Take this nice put down of British reporter Nick Robinson

NEW YORK At a recent press conference at Camp David, President George Bush insulted BBC political editor Nick Robinson, the Daily Mirror reports.

Robinson, who has asked Bush pointed questions in the past such as whetherthe president was “in denial” over the Iraq war, posed a question to Bush about whether he could trust visiting British Prime Minister Gordon Brown not to “cut and run” from Iraq.

Bush replied with a dismissal: “Are you still hanging around?”

Later on, Bush poked fun at the bare-pate of Robinson, joking, “You’d better cover up your bald head, it’s getting hot out.”

The respected British reporter shot back, “I didn’t know you cared.”

Bush responded with a cool, “I don’t.” The Mirror reports that Bush then “snorted disdainfully” and “walked away to laughter.”


:D I do like the way he says what he thinks, none of the British diplomatic crap for Bush :P

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I disagree, Baggins. I think a president getting personal and offensive with a journalist who is just trying to ask serious questions is bang out of line. Its just plain rude.

It would be nice if once Bush had the decency to stand up and answer in depth to some of the things he has carried out during his tenure of the presidency. Instead he resorts to cheap shots.

Its quite sad really.

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Trust me the world was much better with GW as opposed to the other options that could've been president.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Because unlike any British politician he actually talks some smack to journalists.

Take this nice put down of British reporter Nick Robinson

NEW YORK At a recent press conference at Camp David, President George Bush insulted BBC political editor Nick Robinson, the Daily Mirror reports.

Robinson, who has asked Bush pointed questions in the past such as whetherthe president was “in denial” over the Iraq war, posed a question to Bush about whether he could trust visiting British Prime Minister Gordon Brown not to “cut and run” from Iraq.

Bush replied with a dismissal: “Are you still hanging around?”

Later on, Bush poked fun at the bare-pate of Robinson, joking, “You’d better cover up your bald head, it’s getting hot out.”

The respected British reporter shot back, “I didn’t know you cared.”

Bush responded with a cool, “I don’t.” The Mirror reports that Bush then “snorted disdainfully” and “walked away to laughter.”


:D I do like the way he says what he thinks, none of the British diplomatic crap for Bush :P

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I disagree, Baggins. I think a president getting personal and offensive with a journalist who is just trying to ask serious questions is bang out of line. Its just plain rude.

It would be nice if once Bush had the decency to stand up and answer in depth to some of the things he has carried out during his tenure of the presidency. Instead he resorts to cheap shots.

Its quite sad really.

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Trust me the world was much better with GW as opposed to the other options that could've been president.

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Thats a matter of opinion.

Bush the elder should have knocked some manners into that obnoxious twit when he was young. I have little time for Bush the junior and look forward to his tenure ending.

Hopefully America can somehow start afresh.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Because unlike any British politician he actually talks some smack to journalists.

Take this nice put down of British reporter Nick Robinson

NEW YORK At a recent press conference at Camp David, President George Bush insulted BBC political editor Nick Robinson, the Daily Mirror reports.

Robinson, who has asked Bush pointed questions in the past such as whetherthe president was “in denial” over the Iraq war, posed a question to Bush about whether he could trust visiting British Prime Minister Gordon Brown not to “cut and run” from Iraq.

Bush replied with a dismissal: “Are you still hanging around?”

Later on, Bush poked fun at the bare-pate of Robinson, joking, “You’d better cover up your bald head, it’s getting hot out.”

The respected British reporter shot back, “I didn’t know you cared.”

Bush responded with a cool, “I don’t.” The Mirror reports that Bush then “snorted disdainfully” and “walked away to laughter.”


:D I do like the way he says what he thinks, none of the British diplomatic crap for Bush :P

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I disagree, Baggins. I think a president getting personal and offensive with a journalist who is just trying to ask serious questions is bang out of line. Its just plain rude.

It would be nice if once Bush had the decency to stand up and answer in depth to some of the things he has carried out during his tenure of the presidency. Instead he resorts to cheap shots.

Its quite sad really.

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Trust me the world was much better with GW as opposed to the other options that could've been president.

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Thats a matter of opinion.

Bush the elder should have knocked some manners into that obnoxious twit when he was young. I have little time for Bush the junior and look forward to his tenure ending.

Hopefully America can somehow start afresh.

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If we get a democrat in office its been nice talking to all of you because this country only has 3 years left if a dem gets in.

Whether you disagree with how they went about going into the war or not, it needed to be done and there's still more to do. If you don't believe that these crazy people are a threat to your country, you are naive. There's 0.9 billion muslims in the world and a couple thousand of them with these extremist views are ruining it for everyone.

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Originally Posted by miles

Thats a matter of opinion.

Bush the elder should have knocked some manners into that obnoxious twit when he was young. I have little time for Bush the junior and look forward to his tenure ending.

Hopefully America can somehow start afresh.

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Well we'll see how much you like it when America has another whiney ass liberal as president and we have all the people WITH MONEY flipping the bill for the lazy ass bastards who don't want to do any work!

Socialized medicine will cure all the ills of America....AND GUN CONTROL TOO!!! AND FREE ABORTIONS FOR EVERYONE!!!!! AND WHITE PEOPLE WILL WORK FOR FREE AND PAY OFF SLAVE REPARATIONS TO THE AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND TEXAS, CALIFORNIA, NEW MEXICO, ARIZONA, COLORADO WILL BE GIVEN BACK TO MEXICO!


I fucking despise government that tries to tell me what the hell I can and can't do which is why I don't like democrats and am forced to vote republican.....I would rather vote libertarian because they like myself believe in a little thing called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY....or in my words, DON'T BLAME ME BECAUSE YOUR LIFE SUCKS

...if the democrats would stop catering to ever small special intrest group in this country they MIGHT be able to WIN an election rather than just have the Republicans lose one.



I still wish Ross Perot would have become President, he was crazy as shit but he was smart and he knew NAFTA was a bad deal for EVERYONE and look at the immigration that's 100% due to NAFTA and us not closing our borders to ILLEGAL immigrants......and if you take offense to me verbally bashing ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS....then you can fuck off because every other group since the founding of America has come here legally and made an effort to become American....sure they keep their culture but they are proud to be Americans

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Whether you disagree with how they went about going into the war or not, it needed to be done and there's still more to do. If you don't believe that these crazy people are a threat to your country, you are naive. There's 0.9 billion muslims in the world and a couple thousand of them with these extremist views are ruining it for everyone.

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I believe Muslims are little threat to the place where I live.


All this really isnt the issue here though. Here I am simply stating that Bush is unable to treat honest questions with the respect they deserve, and that his personal insults are petty and schoolboyish. The guy will retire before he ever grows up! ;D

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Whether you disagree with how they went about going into the war or not, it needed to be done and there's still more to do. If you don't believe that these crazy people are a threat to your country, you are naive. There's 0.9 billion muslims in the world and a couple thousand of them with these extremist views are ruining it for everyone.

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I believe Muslims are little threat to the place where I live.


All this really isnt the issue here though. Here I am simply stating that Bush is unable to treat honest questions with the respect they deserve, and that his personal insults are petty and schoolboyish. The guy will retire before he ever grows up! ;D

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muslims aren't a threat to anybody just these nut jobs are and thats who we're going after.

My personal favorite moment of his presidency is when he was overheard talking to blair at some kind of banquet and he was heard saying "These terrorists need to stop their shit" or something like that. It was hilarious.

The "militant muslims" or "Islamofacists" make the Southern Baptists look like pussies! And the Southern Baptists think Harry Potter is evil and hate Disneyworld and Disneyland....and the top teir of the crazies don't like drinking or even DANCING.


There is an old joke we tell around where I live....

Q:Why don't baptists have sex standing up?
A: Someone might think they are dancing

It's a silly joke but that's how insane they get after they get wound up over the smallest issues....like women working outside the home....or women wearing pants.....I mean HOLY CRAP it must have been a slow day at church when those issues were brought up!


Al Queda doesn't like anyone because they support the Saudi Royal Family which may be a little corrupt but they do ok work, I mean they don't try to kill us or anything....if we totally caved in and got rid of the Saudi's guys like Bin Laden would be in charge and they wouldn't refuse the US and our allies oil....they'd lose out on money and respect in the UN.


It's just a matter of money and oil and religion is used to make these issues seem more serious.....all these guys want when they say "Death to America" is just some love from the US and after a while they would warm to us like the Saudi's and trade with us and so on because without OIL they have jack shit!.....but I hate to break it to them, you don't get love from the US by killing it's people and chopping people's heads off.

Basically these people we are fighting are EXACTLY like Paris Hilton....they are rich, bored, and don't have anything to do but protest or blow shit up!

Can anyone tell me why people love the idea of socialism or communism so fucking much? And what the FUCK is up with everyone loving Che Guavera so god damned much????


And now HUGO CHAVEZ...who the hell made him king of the America's??? Danny Glover, Sean Penn....those guys met with him everyone in Hollywood loves him and why???? Because he hates George Bush!

Hugo Chavez is a bully and honestly we could do without him....I wouldn't buy oil from him at all but then again we have to because of the fact that the peaceniks here don't want drilling or refining in America!

All these people want a clean environment but don't want nuclear power plants the cleanest fucking fuel ON EARTH!!!! God damn I hate hippies I am going to see one today and set their fucking dreadlocks on fire....waste of fucking life

They are annoying and their thought processes are completely illogical.

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They are annoying and their thought processes are completely illogical.

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EXACTLY!

Let's reward the poor people who don't contribute SHIT to society and punish the evil rich people! :beat:

Did you know that people making around a million a year pay count for 90% of America's income tax revenue??? And the democrats want to tax them more??? WHY so that they won't be able to provide jobs for people....I mean the economy speaks for itself....right now, low taxes = low unemployment.


And I am not in favor of income taxes or anything like that...I like the national sales tax which is consumption based....so bastards like Al Gore who CONSUME more than everyone else have to PAY MORE. It's revenue neutral too which is a plus but the liberals won't like it because then they won't have a section to be the victim's aid for like they do now.

This thread has taken on a completely idiotic stance. Lyle, where on earth did the communism come from?! ::**

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This thread has taken on a completely idiotic stance. Lyle, where on earth did the communism come from?! ::**

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...the people who don't like the Republican tax policy are communist or socialist....as well as the people who think Universal Healthcare is a good idea.

Idiotic....maybe.....but it's out there and it's an issue because everyone wants to provide for the people who are poor and I agree it's a noble cause but you can't just do everything for those people, if you do they will become lazy as we hear about those people who take advantage of welfare (and notice I say TAKE ADVANTAGE OF...not everyone on welfare is a lazy peice of shit but some are).....people need to provide for themselves and if they can't then it's darwinism and in life everyone can't win everytime and you shouldn't handicap those who are doing well just to catch people up with them....it's counter productive.

...and when I say "everyone wants to provide for the poor" I mean: Obama, Clinton, and Romney....all of them have Universal Healthcare programs planned for us......just ask our British and Canadian friends how that works for them!

Universal Healthcare is socialism...and it doesn't work because it provides for those who don't do enough and it takes away from those who strive to do better...hence COUNTER PRODUCTIVE


There's a reason Canadians come to the US for healthcare!


Right now someone could need by-pass surgery....tell me how long you would wait in Canada and England.....you'd have it done TODAY in America!

Look at Cancer survivors in those countries....America is far and away the best for survival rates for pretty much all forms of cancer

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...and when I say "everyone wants to provide for the poor" I mean: Obama, Clinton, and Romney....all of them have Universal Healthcare programs planned for us......just ask our British and Canadian friends how that works for them!

Universal Healthcare is socialism...and it doesn't work because it provides for those who don't do enough and it takes away from those who strive to do better...hence COUNTER PRODUCTIVE


There's a reason Canadians come to the US for healthcare!


Right now someone could need by-pass surgery....tell me how long you would wait in Canada and England.....you'd have it done TODAY in America!

Look at Cancer survivors in those countries....America is far and away the best for survival rates for pretty much all forms of cancer

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Hmm I watched Michael Moorer's recent Sicko documentary and according to him if you are an American citizen you have to go to Cuba to be able to get affordable medicine. Also only the inmates at Guantanamo get free healthcare and the rest are just fucked.

Surely Michael Moorer wouldn't be just trying to sensationalise.......would he? ??? ::**

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...and when I say "everyone wants to provide for the poor" I mean: Obama, Clinton, and Romney....all of them have Universal Healthcare programs planned for us......just ask our British and Canadian friends how that works for them!

Universal Healthcare is socialism...and it doesn't work because it provides for those who don't do enough and it takes away from those who strive to do better...hence COUNTER PRODUCTIVE


There's a reason Canadians come to the US for healthcare!


Right now someone could need by-pass surgery....tell me how long you would wait in Canada and England.....you'd have it done TODAY in America!

Look at Cancer survivors in those countries....America is far and away the best for survival rates for pretty much all forms of cancer

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lyle wtf


actually healthcare in the uk aint what u obviously think !!!!
!if u wanna go private and pay u can and get stuff done quicker
but nhs aint shit

yes we have very long waiting times in some areas of medicine but we dont pick out rich ppl with better payment plans and insurance to treat first

someone in the world and in each county of each country has to shovle shit with not a lot of pay for a living
your shit and mine!!!!!!!! so if their wage is crap they should have less right to health care than u ????
someone has to do the crappy jobs and get paid crap for it or u wouldnt be able to walk on a clean street or eat a takeaway wen u didnt feel like cooking !or tons of other stuff!!!!

you know some ppl dont have a choice about being poor we cant all get silver spoons in our mouth and those of us that do can still go private and get our heart bypasses today


what right does someone have to say that a father who lost his jobs due to downsizing can no longer get treatment for his leaukemia stricken child becaus they no longer have insurance?????

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...and when I say "everyone wants to provide for the poor" I mean: Obama, Clinton, and Romney....all of them have Universal Healthcare programs planned for us......just ask our British and Canadian friends how that works for them!

Universal Healthcare is socialism...and it doesn't work because it provides for those who don't do enough and it takes away from those who strive to do better...hence COUNTER PRODUCTIVE


There's a reason Canadians come to the US for healthcare!


Right now someone could need by-pass surgery....tell me how long you would wait in Canada and England.....you'd have it done TODAY in America!

Look at Cancer survivors in those countries....America is far and away the best for survival rates for pretty much all forms of cancer

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Hmm I watched Michael Moorer's recent Sicko documentary and according to him if you are an American citizen you have to go to Cuba to be able to get affordable medicine. Also only the inmates at Guantanamo get free healthcare and the rest are just fucked.

Surely Michael Moorer wouldn't be just trying to sensationalise.......would he?  ??? ::**

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FYI Michael MOORE is the documentary maker....Michael Moorer was a boxer.......either way I'd still like to see George Foreman knock them both the fuck out!


Kat....the key to your post "if u wanna go private and pay u can and get stuff done quicker"....in Canada going private isn't an option and if it is it's only been recently passed in some areas.

The market always works out for the people in need Kat....which is why it's called Supply and DEMAND.


We have a defacto social healthcare system now in the US....illegals and poor people use the system and honestly it's cheaper to have the procedures done without insurance in most cases because the insurance company sets the prices.....but that's besides the point....the point is doctors are obligated to help people in need and not worry about being paid...if someone has a heart attack in a hospital they don't swipe his credit card before they fix him.....so all these illegals and poor people get treatment and basically insurance goes up and the prices go up due to people not paying...it's like working loss prevention at a department store....you have a whole bunch of $10 items but a bunch get stolen and you change the price to $20 for the rest to save your ass and stay in the positive.


Downsizing over here is mostly due to Unions or NAFTA and honestly it's the corporations, union heads, and politicians who should answer for that....but this ain't France, you have to keep yourself competative even if it means getting fewer benefits or less pay....but mainly it means making yourself too valuable to let go and it's harder to do that in some jobs which is very sad but it's a fact.

"yes we have very long waiting times in some areas of medicine but we dont pick out rich ppl with better payment plans and insurance to treat first "

I'm not talking about kicking people out, I'm saying if you have the means you should have the option to be served right away and get THE BEST treatment available.

You don't just pay to be looked at, you pay for results too...for example I don't want to be told by my government that I have to drive a Yugo when I can afford a Jaguar....you get it?


As for America's system....it's not 100% perfect but it needs less to fix it than overhauling the whole system.

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This thread has taken on a completely idiotic stance. Lyle, where on earth did the communism come from?! ::**

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...the people who don't like the Republican tax policy are communist or socialist....as well as the people who think Universal Healthcare is a good idea.

Idiotic....maybe.....but it's out there and it's an issue because everyone wants to provide for the people who are poor and I agree it's a noble cause but you can't just do everything for those people, if you do they will become lazy as we hear about those people who take advantage of welfare (and notice I say TAKE ADVANTAGE OF...not everyone on welfare is a lazy peice of S*** but some are).....people need to provide for themselves and if they can't then it's darwinism and in life everyone can't win everytime and you shouldn't handicap those who are doing well just to catch people up with them....it's counter productive.

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What I should have said is that this thread had taken on a ludicrous digression.

What started as a funny observation on manners turned into rants about the US healthcare system. Still, all very readable and entertaining! ;D

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This thread has taken on a completely idiotic stance. Lyle, where on earth did the communism come from?! ::**

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...the people who don't like the Republican tax policy are communist or socialist....as well as the people who think Universal Healthcare is a good idea.

Idiotic....maybe.....but it's out there and it's an issue because everyone wants to provide for the people who are poor and I agree it's a noble cause but you can't just do everything for those people, if you do they will become lazy as we hear about those people who take advantage of welfare (and notice I say TAKE ADVANTAGE OF...not everyone on welfare is a lazy peice of S*** but some are).....people need to provide for themselves and if they can't then it's darwinism and in life everyone can't win everytime and you shouldn't handicap those who are doing well just to catch people up with them....it's counter productive.

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What I should have said is that this thread had taken on a ludicrous digression.

What started as a funny observation on manners turned into rants about the US healthcare system. Still, all very readable and entertaining! ;D

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Give me time, I'm still confident I can steer this thread in the direction of either how great I am in the Saddo Arcade or how dinosaurs managed to fit onto Noah's Ark. ;)

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Bush is gangsta for real, but america doesn't need aggression it needs al gore ;D

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....yes we need someone to preach at us about the evironment while he uses 10 times more energy than everyone else BUT he buys carbon offsets which is totally rational :beat:

Al Gore is a peice of shit, W ain't the greatest but he's the lesser evil out of the choices we had....W, Gore, and Kerry.....John Kerry is a total fucking idiot and Al Gore is a whiney bastard....W is stubborn as hell though

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Yea I was joking, but atleast Al gore makes better speaches then both john kerry and W. Bush. I think kerry is a robot, Al gore does whine a lot and bush is too aggressive.

Al gore seems like Dr. phil sometimes but I heard he didn't do such a good job on his own son, whom was caught with many prescribtion drugs and under the influence.

Thats the problem, these guys will ofcourse act like a perfect american family men but they really not. Most of the times, we've already voted them as president before we find out, that they are fuck ups too just like the rest of us americans ;D

Bilbo was right about bush, atleast bush is real. I don't agree with many of his decision but he keeps it real. He came out i think a week ago, and told everyone that someone tell him why they wanted a petitioned sign, and if they gave him a good reason He'll sign it but if not he'll shread it ;D

WE never had a president like that its pretty funny, but yea bush is a recovering alcholic heheh

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This thread has taken on a completely idiotic stance. Lyle, where on earth did the communism come from?! ::**

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...the people who don't like the Republican tax policy are communist or socialist....as well as the people who think Universal Healthcare is a good idea.

Idiotic....maybe.....but it's out there and it's an issue because everyone wants to provide for the people who are poor and I agree it's a noble cause but you can't just do everything for those people, if you do they will become lazy as we hear about those people who take advantage of welfare (and notice I say TAKE ADVANTAGE OF...not everyone on welfare is a lazy peice of S*** but some are).....people need to provide for themselves and if they can't then it's darwinism and in life everyone can't win everytime and you shouldn't handicap those who are doing well just to catch people up with them....it's counter productive.

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What I should have said is that this thread had taken on a ludicrous digression.

What started as a funny observation on manners turned into rants about the US healthcare system. Still, all very readable and entertaining! ;D

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Give me time, I'm still confident I can steer this thread in the direction of either how great I am in the Saddo Arcade or how dinosaurs managed to fit onto Noah's Ark. ;)

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Knowing the way you are that is totally feasible!! ;D

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Bush is gangsta for real, but america doesn't need aggression it needs al gore ;D

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....yes we need someone to preach at us about the evironment while he uses 10 times more energy than everyone else BUT he buys carbon offsets which is totally rational :beat:

Al Gore is a peice of shit, W ain't the greatest but he's the lesser evil out of the choices we had....W, Gore, and Kerry.....John Kerry is a total fucking idiot and Al Gore is a whiney bastard....W is stubborn as hell though

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Yea I was joking, but atleast Al gore makes better speaches then both john kerry and W. Bush. I think kerry is a robot, Al gore does whine a lot and bush is too aggressive.

Al gore seems like Dr. phil sometimes but I heard he didn't do such a good job on his own son, whom was caught with many prescribtion drugs and under the influence.

Thats the problem, these guys will ofcourse act like a perfect american family men but they really not. Most of the times, we've already voted them as president before we find out, that they are fuck ups too just like the rest of us americans ;D

Bilbo was right about bush, atleast bush is real. I don't agree with many of his decision but he keeps it real. He came out i think a week ago, and told everyone that someone tell him why they wanted a petitioned sign, and if they gave him a good reason He'll sign it but if not he'll shread it ;D

WE never had a president like that its pretty funny, but yea bush is a recovering alcholic heheh

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....let's not get ahead of ourselves

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....which is why I think this global warming crap is just something to make Al feel smart

...and we have had alcoholic presidents before...hell one first lady has a fucking rehab center named after her!!!

hahahahahahahahahahaha america :P

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...Fuck YEAH America!

....despite of what all the liberals think America has had it pretty fucking good during the terms of W's stay in office.

My water works, I have access to ANYTHING I want, electricity, cable television, the internet, air conditioning.....I mean things couldn't get much better here

are u still going on about this?
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and btw i dont no y u mentioned canada in ur response to me cus i liv ein uk
and the onli reason i posted on here was because u said ask our uk and canadian bros how that works (referring to nhs)
soi gave u my opinion

and actually having free health care means more of us can afford a jaguar!!!

also this is pointless and i wont get into ann argument with u about it
we vote in our leaders with the majority winning

I wasn't talking about healthcare this time Kat, I was talking about how stupid Al Gore is and how even if we do have "the worst president ever" America is still a great place to live.


But if you want me to go back to healthcare ok....

"Free Healthcare" isn't free, it's "free"...it's taxes that pay for that and some people being healthier than others shouldn't have to pay the same ammount of taxes if they don't go to the doctor the same ammount.

As for Canada they wouldn't let you get private healthcare for the longest time which is why Canadians come across the border to the US to get fixed up.....you don't hear of Americans going across to Canada to get fixed....mainly because there are still circa 4 Million Canadians waiting to meet with a doctor....not have surgery or anything just waiting to see a doctor to see if they are doing ok or to plan out a surgery or whatever.

I mentioned Canada because their system is what our politicians want to copy and it doesn't friggin work


Also, on a side note....if Michael Moore thinks healthcare is so fucking great in Cuba, Canada, England, etc why doesn't he move his fat ass over there and just stay?

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[...the people who don't like the Republican tax policy are communist or socialist....as well as the people who think Universal Healthcare is a good idea.

Idiotic....maybe.....but it's out there and it's an issue because everyone wants to provide for the people who are poor and I agree it's a noble cause but you can't just do everything for those people, if you do they will become lazy as we hear about those people who take advantage of welfare (and notice I say TAKE ADVANTAGE OF...not everyone on welfare is a lazy peice of S*** but some are).....people need to provide for themselves and if they can't then it's darwinism and in life everyone can't win everytime and you shouldn't handicap those who are doing well just to catch people up with them....it's counter productive.

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errrmmmm yeah u did talk about health care


and i asked y in ur reply to my post u mentioned Canada

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i was talking about uk healthcare which is wat is relevant to me
i dont live in Canada so there health care is irrelivant to me

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...and when I say "everyone wants to provide for the poor" I mean: Obama, Clinton, and Romney....all of them have Universal Healthcare programs planned for us......just ask our British and Canadian friends how that works for them!Universal Healthcare is socialism...and it doesn't work because it provides for those who don't do enough and it takes away from those who strive to do better...hence COUNTER PRODUCTIVE


There's a reason Canadians come to the US for healthcare!


Right now someone could need by-pass surgery....tell me how long you would wait in Canada and England.....you'd have it done TODAY in America!

Look at Cancer survivors in those countries....America is far and away the best for survival rates for pretty much all forms of cancer

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Hmm I watched Michael Moorer's recent Sicko documentary and according to him if you are an American citizen you have to go to Cuba to be able to get affordable medicine. Also only the inmates at Guantanamo get free healthcare and the rest are just fucked.

Surely Michael Moorer wouldn't be just trying to sensationalise.......would he? ??? ::**

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Kat....the key to your post "if u wanna go private and pay u can and get stuff done quicker"....in Canada going private isn't an option and if it is it's only been recently passed in some areas.
The market always works out for the people in need Kat....which is why it's called Supply and DEMAND.


We have a defacto social healthcare system now in the US....illegals and poor people use the system and honestly it's cheaper to have the procedures done without insurance in most cases because the insurance company sets the prices.....but that's besides the point....the point is doctors are obligated to help people in need and not worry about being paid...if someone has a heart attack in a hospital they don't swipe his credit card before they fix him.....so all these illegals and poor people get treatment and basically insurance goes up and the prices go up due to people not paying...it's like working loss prevention at a department store....you have a whole bunch of $10 items but a bunch get stolen and you change the price to $20 for the rest to save your a** and stay in the positive.


Downsizing over here is mostly due to Unions or NAFTA and honestly it's the corporations, union heads, and politicians who should answer for that....but this ain't France, you have to keep yourself competative even if it means getting fewer benefits or less pay....but mainly it means making yourself too valuable to let go and it's harder to do that in some jobs which is very sad but it's a fact.

"yes we have very long waiting times in some areas of medicine but we dont pick out rich ppl with better payment plans and insurance to treat first "

I'm not talking about kicking people out, I'm saying if you have the means you should have the option to be served right away and get THE BEST treatment available.

You don't just pay to be looked at, you pay for results too...for example I don't want to be told by my government that I have to drive a Yugo when I can afford a Jaguar....you get it?


As for America's system....it's not 100% perfect but it needs less to fix it than overhauling the whole system.

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and u said ..................
I'm not talking about kicking people out, I'm saying if you have the means you should have the option to be served right away and get THE BEST treatment available.


and in the uk this does happen








and on a side note dont try and send your rejects over here we have enough of our own thanx :)

I guess lyle is a rich republican....

Mchael moore should move to cuba canada or anywhere he thinks healthcare is better, well Moore is just being an american. This is what we do, we are just naturally rebels. It doesn't matter how good we got it, we will still find something to protest about.

I really do think our healthcare plan suxks though and I do think taxing the richer people isn't a good idea. I mean if any of us was to win a million dollars from lotto, the tax percentage will reduce it to like 700k. I think lower the tax percentage for the poor and lower it for the rich too. Lets not waste our money on wars, lets legalize and tax drugs and guns very high and deport criminals or hobos. Lets clean up the streets, lets stop playing around with these local drug dealers and gangs. If they want to act tough lets go send our sqat teams and eradicate these insects. Get all their drugs and money, turn that to tax funds. Lets focus on our own problems, forget the middle east they hate us no matter what we do anyways.

What i find funny is a lot of people hate this country for one reason or another but not a damn one of them wants to move out. ???

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Originally Posted by Lyle

[...the people who don't like the Republican tax policy are communist or socialist....as well as the people who think Universal Healthcare is a good idea.

Idiotic....maybe.....but it's out there and it's an issue because everyone wants to provide for the people who are poor and I agree it's a noble cause but you can't just do everything for those people, if you do they will become lazy as we hear about those people who take advantage of welfare (and notice I say TAKE ADVANTAGE OF...not everyone on welfare is a lazy peice of S*** but some are).....people need to provide for themselves and if they can't then it's darwinism and in life everyone can't win everytime and you shouldn't handicap those who are doing well just to catch people up with them....it's counter productive.

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errrmmmm yeah u did talk about health care


and i asked y in ur reply to my post u mentioned Canada

See in red
i was talking about uk healthcare which is wat is relevant to me
i dont live in Canada so there health care is irrelivant to me

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by Lyle

...and when I say "everyone wants to provide for the poor" I mean: Obama, Clinton, and Romney....all of them have Universal Healthcare programs planned for us......just ask our British and Canadian friends how that works for them!Universal Healthcare is socialism...and it doesn't work because it provides for those who don't do enough and it takes away from those who strive to do better...hence COUNTER PRODUCTIVE


There's a reason Canadians come to the US for healthcare!


Right now someone could need by-pass surgery....tell me how long you would wait in Canada and England.....you'd have it done TODAY in America!

Look at Cancer survivors in those countries....America is far and away the best for survival rates for pretty much all forms of cancer

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Hmm I watched Michael Moorer's recent Sicko documentary and according to him if you are an American citizen you have to go to Cuba to be able to get affordable medicine. Also only the inmates at Guantanamo get free healthcare and the rest are just fucked.

Surely Michael Moorer wouldn't be just trying to sensationalise.......would he? ??? ::**

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Kat....the key to your post "if u wanna go private and pay u can and get stuff done quicker"....in Canada going private isn't an option and if it is it's only been recently passed in some areas.
The market always works out for the people in need Kat....which is why it's called Supply and DEMAND.


We have a defacto social healthcare system now in the US....illegals and poor people use the system and honestly it's cheaper to have the procedures done without insurance in most cases because the insurance company sets the prices.....but that's besides the point....the point is doctors are obligated to help people in need and not worry about being paid...if someone has a heart attack in a hospital they don't swipe his credit card before they fix him.....so all these illegals and poor people get treatment and basically insurance goes up and the prices go up due to people not paying...it's like working loss prevention at a department store....you have a whole bunch of $10 items but a bunch get stolen and you change the price to $20 for the rest to save your a** and stay in the positive.


Downsizing over here is mostly due to Unions or NAFTA and honestly it's the corporations, union heads, and politicians who should answer for that....but this ain't France, you have to keep yourself competitive even if it means getting fewer benefits or less pay....but mainly it means making yourself too valuable to let go and it's harder to do that in some jobs which is very sad but it's a fact.

"yes we have very long waiting times in some areas of medicine but we dont pick out rich ppl with better payment plans and insurance to treat first "

I'm not talking about kicking people out, I'm saying if you have the means you should have the option to be served right away and get THE BEST treatment available.

You don't just pay to be looked at, you pay for results too...for example I don't want to be told by my government that I have to drive a Yugo when I can afford a Jaguar....you get it?


As for America's system....it's not 100% perfect but it needs less to fix it than overhauling the whole system.

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and u said ..................
I'm not talking about kicking people out, I'm saying if you have the means you should have the option to be served right away and get THE BEST treatment available.


and in the uk this does happen








and on a side note dont try and send your rejects over here we have enough of our own thanx :)

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Kitten that was waaaaaay long ago in this topic...I had already moved on

#1 Canada has the system we (Hillary, Obama, Romney) want to copy.....and until just recently private care was ILLEGAL....as in "against the law"....as in " it was not allowed for people to spend their money which they earned in their jobs to get treatment for diseases/illnesses/health issues they have".

#2 I know you're from England

#3 Why must you Europeans tax the shit out of everyone??? I mean how much is enough? The politicians are frivilous enough with their own fucking money......John Edwards has paid upwards of $1,000 bucks to get his hair cut.....that's HIS money I am not letting that jackass NEAR my hard earned cash!

Julius I am not rich....I am a conservative only because I want to keep what I have worked hard for...I don't want my government to tell me EVERYTHING to do....there is a limit to government and I like them to know it.

You think Hillary Clinton is going to sit back and go to whatever doctor "the government" tells her to??? NO, the politicians are creating 2 America's...not a rich and a poor but an independent and a dependent America!

Dependency never works when you bring the federal government into question....you have to look out for #1 and that's what I do and that's what I tell people to do.




Besides sugar britches, name 1 thing the government runs without turning it into a giant bureaucracy...I don't want going to the doctor to be like going to the DMV

Well as someone who has seen Islamic fundamentalism up front and personal in the mountains of Afghanistan and in November will meet it again in Iraq..This is not an issue of oil, WMDs, dictatorships etc...Its western culture and islamic extremism meeting in the world...If the US withdraws this fight will follow us home, and I feel strongly as Europeans more and more want to defend their culture against an explosion of muslim immigrants that this violence will visit itself more and more in the European continent...George Bush is what he is love him or hate him...the important thing to me about the president is that I believe he is a man of principle that whether mistake or not he truly believes he is right...I believe that he will not tell you what he think you want to hear which I did feel about Carey and Gore...I don't want socialized medicine simply b/c I don't think its right to invest my tax dollars in a plan to provide healthcare for people that don't take care of themselves...Why should some fat ass, twinkie eating, alcoholic, two pack a day smoker pay the same amount for healthcare that I do? Obviously there has to be a minimum requirement...but an overall socialized medicine will drive doctors wages down and conversely cause our best and brightest not want to give up 10 yrs of their life to be a MD. One thing that would help make medical care more affordable is better tort reform so hospitals and Drs malpractice insurance isn't so expensive. I pray that Mccain get elected but at the moment its not looking good...anyway I'm rambling

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Originally Posted by Lyle

[...the people who don't like the Republican tax policy are communist or socialist....as well as the people who think Universal Healthcare is a good idea.

Idiotic....maybe.....but it's out there and it's an issue because everyone wants to provide for the people who are poor and I agree it's a noble cause but you can't just do everything for those people, if you do they will become lazy as we hear about those people who take advantage of welfare (and notice I say TAKE ADVANTAGE OF...not everyone on welfare is a lazy peice of S*** but some are).....people need to provide for themselves and if they can't then it's darwinism and in life everyone can't win everytime and you shouldn't handicap those who are doing well just to catch people up with them....it's counter productive.

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errrmmmm yeah u did talk about health care


and i asked y in ur reply to my post u mentioned Canada

See in red
i was talking about uk healthcare which is wat is relevant to me
i dont live in Canada so there health care is irrelivant to me

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by Lyle

...and when I say "everyone wants to provide for the poor" I mean: Obama, Clinton, and Romney....all of them have Universal Healthcare programs planned for us......just ask our British and Canadian friends how that works for them!Universal Healthcare is socialism...and it doesn't work because it provides for those who don't do enough and it takes away from those who strive to do better...hence COUNTER PRODUCTIVE


There's a reason Canadians come to the US for healthcare!


Right now someone could need by-pass surgery....tell me how long you would wait in Canada and England.....you'd have it done TODAY in America!

Look at Cancer survivors in those countries....America is far and away the best for survival rates for pretty much all forms of cancer

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Hmm I watched Michael Moorer's recent Sicko documentary and according to him if you are an American citizen you have to go to Cuba to be able to get affordable medicine. Also only the inmates at Guantanamo get free healthcare and the rest are just fucked.

Surely Michael Moorer wouldn't be just trying to sensationalise.......would he? ??? ::**

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Kat....the key to your post "if u wanna go private and pay u can and get stuff done quicker"....in Canada going private isn't an option and if it is it's only been recently passed in some areas.
The market always works out for the people in need Kat....which is why it's called Supply and DEMAND.


We have a defacto social healthcare system now in the US....illegals and poor people use the system and honestly it's cheaper to have the procedures done without insurance in most cases because the insurance company sets the prices.....but that's besides the point....the point is doctors are obligated to help people in need and not worry about being paid...if someone has a heart attack in a hospital they don't swipe his credit card before they fix him.....so all these illegals and poor people get treatment and basically insurance goes up and the prices go up due to people not paying...it's like working loss prevention at a department store....you have a whole bunch of $10 items but a bunch get stolen and you change the price to $20 for the rest to save your a** and stay in the positive.


Downsizing over here is mostly due to Unions or NAFTA and honestly it's the corporations, union heads, and politicians who should answer for that....but this ain't France, you have to keep yourself competitive even if it means getting fewer benefits or less pay....but mainly it means making yourself too valuable to let go and it's harder to do that in some jobs which is very sad but it's a fact.

"yes we have very long waiting times in some areas of medicine but we dont pick out rich ppl with better payment plans and insurance to treat first "

I'm not talking about kicking people out, I'm saying if you have the means you should have the option to be served right away and get THE BEST treatment available.

You don't just pay to be looked at, you pay for results too...for example I don't want to be told by my government that I have to drive a Yugo when I can afford a Jaguar....you get it?


As for America's system....it's not 100% perfect but it needs less to fix it than overhauling the whole system.

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and u said ..................
I'm not talking about kicking people out, I'm saying if you have the means you should have the option to be served right away and get THE BEST treatment available.


and in the uk this does happen








and on a side note dont try and send your rejects over here we have enough of our own thanx :)

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Kitten that was waaaaaay long ago in this topic...I had already moved on

#1 Canada has the system we (Hillary, Obama, Romney) want to copy.....and until just recently private care was ILLEGAL....as in "against the law"....as in " it was not allowed for people to spend their money which they earned in their jobs to get treatment for diseases/illnesses/health issues they have".

#2 I know you're from England

#3 Why must you Europeans tax the S*** out of everyone??? I mean how much is enough? The politicians are frivilous enough with their own F****** money......John Edwards has paid upwards of $1,000 bucks to get his hair cut.....that's HIS money I am not letting that jackass NEAR my hard earned cash!

Julius I am not rich....I am a conservative only because I want to keep what I have worked hard for...I don't want my government to tell me EVERYTHING to do....there is a limit to government and I like them to know it.

You think Hillary Clinton is going to sit back and go to whatever doctor "the government" tells her to??? NO, the politicians are creating 2 America's...not a rich and a poor but an independent and a dependent America!

Dependency never works when you bring the federal government into question....you have to look out for #1 and that's what I do and that's what I tell people to do.




Besides sugar britches, name 1 thing the government runs without turning it into a giant bureaucracy...I don't want going to the doctor to be like going to the DMV

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#1 your still not explaining y u mentioned Canada in my reply thread
i wrote on this thread as one of ur uk 'friends' refererring to our health care!!!i dont need to know about Canada
i have no plans to live there


#2 i dont call myself English -------I'm British i see a difference

#3 What the fuck does it have to do with u how or why we tax everything?????
do u live here ? NO

so how does it affect u ???
it dont



#4

hahahahahahahaha quote 'you have to look out for #1 and that's what I do and that's what I tell people to do.'unquote

thats dependency is it
u telling people what to do ?????


#5 your wasting your time whinging on a boxing forum about this
use your time to write a nice long letter

and then use ur fucking vote
and u no what if who u vote for doesnt get elected
then the majority of the country doesnt feel the same as u !
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