i just cant get stanima

i dont know why. i guess im not one of those guys with built in stanima. i just dont have it and i jog and everything? there is some days where i can go 12 rounds but those days only come once a year. what am i doing wrong? i eat right too i only eat fried chicken and rice and beans ( im a man living by himeself thats the only thing i know how to do ;D) but anyways i dont think the food is slowing me down. any advice? please give me a great routin that will help me out im sure that alote of people have this problem. thanks

first things first...stamina, not stanima...

second: eating fried chicken is horrible for you, and limiting your diet to that, rice and beans, is pretty brutal too.

third: run faster. jogging aint gonna do the trick for stamina, it'll make your legs stronger, but if you want to be in fighting shape you should be able to run at under 7 minutes a mile for at least 3 miles.

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Originally Posted by lynwood1

i dont know why. i guess im not one of those guys with built in stanima. i just dont have it and i jog and everything? there is some days where i can go 12 rounds but those days only come once a year. what am i doing wrong? i eat right too i only eat fried chicken and rice and beans ( im a man living by himeself thats the only thing i know how to do ;D) but anyways i dont think the food is slowing me down. any advice? please give me a great routin that will help me out im sure that alote of people have this problem. thanks

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Are you breathing correctly ??

im not sure but everytime i throw a punch i breath out my mouth?

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Originally Posted by lynwood1

im not sure but everytime i throw a punch i breath out my mouth?

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Take deep breathes in and out you gotta learn to breath correctly in a sport and sometimes that can be the problem when i went to running club once i thought i was pretty fit but i was not breathing correctly my trainer told me how to properly and it helped maybe you should try it.

oh and another thing its unhealthy for me to eat anything without fat and grease. i guess i have a super speedy metabolism. i started eating only twice a day with no tortillas and i lost weight fast I'm 140lbs and 5'11 and thats really unhealthy. so I'm going to start eating three times a day and tortillas too and try to get back to the 150's.

Eating 5 or 6 small meals would be even better. Some fruit in there too. Meals don't all need to be big but more often especially earlier in the day would be better.

If you don't eat well and burn calories really fast maybe your glycogen levels are too low for longish workouts. Try sipping on a sports drink in between rounds in training and eating 2 hours before you workout.

dude, hate to say it but grease and fat is very unhealthy regardless of your metabolic rate. the more i read of your posts, the more i think your issues are with your diet more than anything. and if you are 5'11" in the 140s enjoy it.

The secret to stamina is repetition. If you are preparing to fight four rounds, traing, HARD, for four rounds. Not twelve. That is called leaving your fight in the gym. You build up to fighting for twelve rounds and you build up to training for a 12 round fight. Take your time and pace yourself.
Breath...If you punch properly- by turning your body and not by slinging your arms- it is much easier.

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Originally Posted by spaceballwon

dude, hate to say it but grease and fat is very unhealthy regardless of your metabolic rate. the more i read of your posts, the more i think your issues are with your diet more than anything. and if you are 5'11" in the 140s enjoy it.

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5' 11" at light welter could be a dangerous combination with the right skill set ;)

Definately push yourself when doing roadwork, I am learning this myself.
If you can only maintain a good rate of speed for 1/2 mile start there
Run 1/2 a mile and jog 1/2 a mile keep increasing the run portion until you can run the whole mile.
Then run for 1 mile followed directly by jogging for 1 mile.
Work your way up until you can run for 2 miles
etc. etc.
keep doing that until you can run (not jog) for 3 miles.

Also it helps when you see the end of your run sprint it
out, just go for it.

What te hell is STANIMA? Jus jokin, I know what u mean (stamina).

Lookin at a couple of things that were posted it's probably a combination that will take time & effort for u to figure out.

IMO u can start by eating 4-5 small meals a day. Get off the fried stuff. If u know how to fry chicken then u shouldn't have a problem grilling it. Drink alot of water & try to stay away from soda's, high fructose, carbonated drinks, etc... I won't get into a long drawn out diet plan but just try to be smart with ur intake.

Someone already posted about ur roadwork. Start bustin ass when u do ur roadwork.

One thing that is very important but will only come after u gain a little bit of in ring time is being comfortable. Breathing normally, not being tense, etc...

It's a long road that u will have to pay ur dues. This is not an easy sport. So the question is how bad do u want it? Good luck with ur training.

Your proctologist can give you a 'stanima' assuming that's what it's called these days.

No expert but my suggestion woul be to entirely rip apart ur training regime. Never mind jogging, try swimming, If u can get a trainer with a bodybag, who can use it correctly in my opinion there is no harder drill.

To build stamina u need mental strength, Get on a heavy bag, keep goin til, u feel like u need to stop then let ur hands go as hard and fast as u can for thirty seconds or so then slow for a while then sprint, thisl kill ya at first but it works for me.....

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

No expert but my suggestion woul be to entirely rip apart ur training regime. Never mind jogging, try swimming, If u can get a trainer with a bodybag, who can use it correctly in my opinion there is no harder drill.

To build stamina u need mental strength, Get on a heavy bag, keep goin til, u feel like u need to stop then let ur hands go as hard and fast as u can for thirty seconds or so then slow for a while then sprint, thisl kill ya at first but it works for me.....

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I never liked the idea of punching the bag 'til you drop. I always thought it was better to pace yourself and actually thinking about how you're going to land your punches and working the bag as you would a real living and breathing opponent. Working the bag according to rounds is good because it allows you to work on different things for each round. You can focus on how you'd set up your punches, how to get your body set and throw different combinations. There's not really a limit of what you can practice. Ultimately all of your training should condition yourself for fighting and aspire to the way you'd really fight.

Punching and going over the various moves should be well controlled, and going all out on the bags really defeats the purpose of improving on your punches. If you want stamina you can keep the pace up as high as you can manage (without sacrificing good technique) for the length that you'd have in a real bout. As you get better you can increase the pace, and start to add a round or so when you can handle it. Since you're training for an actual bout which consists of rounds it wouldn't be a bad idea to increase the intensity and hardness in the last seconds before the bell of each round. If you want to build yourself mentally then everything you do when your training should be well thought out with a good valid reason behind everything that you do.

Well Chris u no i respect ur opinion, mayb i should try post a video of me trainin to clarify what im tryin to say. I never throw anything at the bag that i havent prepared in a combination earlier on the pads. Only problem is it gets a bit robotic, Kiltschko syndrome i think its called

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Originally Posted by lynwood1

im not sure but everytime i throw a punch i breath out my mouth?

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yes that can be a problem. Thing is that when you breathe through your nose oxygenation is better. Breath in through the nose, and breathe out through your mouth. That's how it goes. I can't breathe on my nose when I get really tired because I have this deviation of nasal septum, I have to wait some more to be able to go to surgery. If your nose is ok, use it.

CRO-Luka, try Olbas oil with that deviation, mornin times especially it fixed me up pretty good. Failing that baking powder water solution. Horrible but it helps, honest.

i know this might be a dumb question but do you think if i drink a energy drink like monster it will give me alittlebit more energy to go an extra round. once again sorry if its a dumb question.

Jogging isnt going to get you in shape. RUNNING and most importantly SHORT SPRINTS will get you into shape. Boxing is a sport of short intense bursts of action and then some aerobic moving around.

I suggest first and foremost you spar harder, keep good technique always, but push your pace while still being in control.

Second, do workouts that combine different aspects of fitness. For example, do a 3minute round of 1minute of 20yards sprints back and forth, 1minute of push presses, 1min of cleans(light weight, this is for conditioning). then take your one minute rest and repeat it for however many rounds you need to go.

Now that is an example, but you can vary what you do each rounds. I usually include more exercises. Good ones to rotate in are, Sprints, cleans, push press, pushups, situps, pummeling, pullups, burpees, firemans carry, jumping on a 12' box or step, jump rope, ect ect. The key is, your not going to be able to do everything for 1minute straight so be flexible, if say you burn out on the push presses, then switch to pushups if you can, or maybe go to a different muscle group.

Another thing to note is for every 3minute rounds you want to distribute somewhat evenly the muscle groups worked,

So for instance, sprints, push-press, and situps, work different muscle groups. Generally for the lower body you can do sprints and cleans or some other leg movement, but for upperbody its more important to split up the pushing and pulling and not overdo it.

I recommend pacing yourself at first because this is harder than you think doing 4rounds of 3 mins or whatever you choose to do. Last rounds go all out and push yourself, as you do this more increase your pace. This is hell, itll make fighting easy.

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Originally Posted by lynwood1

i know this might be a dumb question but do you think if i drink a energy drink like monster it will give me alittlebit more energy to go an extra round. once again sorry if its a dumb question.

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I wouldn't drink heaps but a little bit might help - if you are using all your glycogen stores and then getting tired which can happen in long workouts. You only need to sip it though. You don't need to drink a lot. You probably only need this for really long workouts after the first hour - not for every workout.

I'm very old fashioned in my views but as soon as I see a fighter, trained by modern methods and with the modern cluster of "specialists" in his camp, that can fight 15 like they used to I'll change my views.
Diet...Lord knows I'm clueless here but I know this. The best conditioned, strongest fighters I've ever seen were poor and poor people eat rice and beans. My experience mostly refers to fighters from Mexico- that is who I grew up watching and reading about- and rice and beans is a staple of the diet there. Emanuel Steward says the same thing; he says he cooks his fighters collard greens, beans and chicken. Jackie McCoy, the great trainer, called beans and rice "earth food" and swore that they made for strong fighters.
Breathing is a curious subject...Lots of fighters forget to breath, especially when they get excited, like in the middle of an exchange or when things are going very well or very badly. This is often an ignored subject but here is what I think, and I learned this from a 69 year old Australian opera singer. She was very scrappy despite being 4' 11" and weighing maybe 98 pounds. (google Elizabeth Sabine).
You breathe through your lungs. Breathe in short gulps of air; the most common way of running out of breath is not from lacking air but from having too much. If you breathe deeply but don't use up and exhale that breath, then your lungs get clogged with "bad air" and you can no longer take full breaths. So take short breaths and exhale fully- like when you punch for instance and don't forget to breathe. Doing this, you can keep your abdomen tight- so body punches don't knock the wind out of you- while moving and breathing easily.
The last reason I think you, like many others on this site, may lack stamina, is that you train to much. Look, the early morning 4 miles of roadwork is as much to build discipline as any thing else. Rocky Marciano didn't run millions of miles but he walked every place he went. Running- alternating sprints, jogging and brisk walking- is to sharpen your wind. You should train every day and not just to prepare for a fight. Stretch in the morning every morning. Run-as explained above- three times a week, or on days you don't spar. Don't jump rope on days when you run or spar- it is over using the legs. When training to fight 4 rounds, train to fight 4, not 10 or your body will not peak properly.
See, training for a fight is not something you begin to do when you learn about a fight. It is something you begin to do the day you begin boxing. A good, hard, sharp hour to 90 minutes a day is fine. Working 6-8 hours a day is foolish. And just get me started on cross training!

Rice and beans - carbs and protein - sounds pretty sensible CC greynotsoold.

So you don't agree with cross training? Too much?

You always hear about Olympic athletes training 5 or 6 hours a day - you think that's appropriate for just a few of the non boxing sports rather than boxing?

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I think what they dont mention is that most of that is technique practice and doing drills that dont wear down the body. They definetly couldnt be going hard for more than 1hour. If they did they would be sacrificing intensity for volume which most the time isnt what you need.

For wrestlers their breakdown from what I know is this-

morning-alternate days of running then stretching or lifting then stretching.

afternoon-technique and drilling

evening-wrestle live or other forms of conditioning



Yeah Rice is poor person food, I eat alot of it lol. go brown rice and add hot sauce thats my recipe.

National coaches as Ive seen havent a clue on personal conditioning. They kill the kids Ive seen it I once had 6 in the National squad. The boys were always complaining and didnt like it but had to go for the selection process. When they came back Id give them a week off, Greys right , to many cooks.

National Coach...My Shoulder...ruined...Bollocks....Revenge....soon

A national coach ruined your shoulder for you hitmandonny!!!!!!! That sucks! How long did he take to get that to happen? you'd think having too many people drop out from injury might alert them to the idea that they're pushing you too hard?

Hey sharla, remember when i started her i wasa injured well yeah that time!!!
He had showed me this weird shoulder dippin technique, had me work on it really hard then told me to utilise it when sparring, Dislocated it remember, only got it right recently!!!

I was actuallt tempted to name him here but it would be immature of me wouldn be fair on him

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Originally Posted by lynwood1

i dont know why. i guess im not one of those guys with built in stanima. i just dont have it and i jog and everything? there is some days where i can go 12 rounds but those days only come once a year. what am i doing wrong? i eat right too i only eat fried chicken and rice and beans ( im a man living by himeself thats the only thing i know how to do ;D) but anyways i dont think the food is slowing me down. any advice? please give me a great routin that will help me out im sure that alote of people have this problem. thanks

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Are you Audley Harrison?????????

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Hey sharla, remember when i started her i wasa injured well yeah that time!!!
He had showed me this weird shoulder dippin technique, had me work on it really hard then told me to utilise it when sparring, Dislocated it remember, only got it right recently!!!

I was actuallt tempted to name him here but it would be immature of me wouldn be fair on him

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Ouch!

Well sounds like the weird shoulder snap thing someone tried to teach me but I could never get it. I guess you won't be wanting to train with him again but do you have a choice if he's the national coach?

Well thats exactly what he was tryna teach me, which is dumb cos im an inside fighter, but no...i wont have to train under him again. This is gonna be my last year as a competitve amateur. Everythin i do from here is in preparation for the other side of boxing.