Is Shane Mosley really that big of a deal anymore, or is he just a big name??

Shane is gonna be an all time great when he retires............. that's a fact.


But................................

In my opinion, he's a loooong ways off from the Mosley of yesteryear.

The reason that I make this bold statement is very simple. The first time that he fought a shot ass Fernando Vargas, he was on his way out by decision or ko. He got the TKO because he kept popping Fernando's eye and swelling it up to the size of a grapefruit before the fight was stopped.

Mosley was gonna lose that fight cause Vargas was coming on real strong in the 2nd half of the fight, nearly dominating in the process.

This would have never happened to the Mosley of old, and I remember watching that fight and thinking (in the later rounds) that Mosley was finished and needed to retire.


The 2nd fight, Vargas was completely shot, and in his following fight, he fought a horribly overrated Luis Collazo and got the UD.

I just thought I'd lay down some opinions before the match with Cotto comes up.





Having said that, I still pick Mosley by a SD over Cotto.

He's a hell of a lot better than Zab Judah, and would beat the living piss out of him... Is that what you wanted to hear ??? Nah, I can't totally disagree that Mosley isn't as sharp as he used to be, but he's still a hell of a fighter.. He wouldn't have lost that fight to Vargas whatsoever, I don't know what you were watching really... First off he was way ahead on the cards even if Vargas was coming on strong(for you to say he was dominating any point is completely ridiculous, Vargas only won a couple rounds imo).. Secondly, to say he would have lost if it hadn't been for that swelling on Vargas eye is just as ridiculous. That beachball on the side of Vargas face was caused entirely by hard punches... Go ahead and watch the stoppage again, Mosley was landing more big shots right on the swelling forcing the ref to step in... It's more likely that Vargas would have suffered a detached retina and lost his sight in the eye, rather than Mosley losing if the fight had continued... And sure in the rematch Vargas was shot, you can even say that Collazo was overrated if that makes you feel better.... But the simple fact is Mosley has looked much better each time he's fought.. In fact since losing two fights against Winky he's looked significantly sharper every single time he's laced them up. Hardly a signal that he needs to retire ::**

Well this fight will show us if it's time to call it quits or if he's still got it. I mean if he loses a wide ud or gets knocked out (unlikely) then he needs to retire, but if he wins or looses a close decision then he still got it in him. I don't remember the first vargas fight, but in the second vargas was like a robot didn't move at all, completely shot, can't believe he's getting in the ring again actually. The collazo fight didn't tell us much either since he won it rather easily, and I don't know if collazo was just over rated or if he really did mess up his hand in the 3rd like he said that it prevented him from performing to his best. Hopefully mosley still got it and this will turn out to be a great fight!

Well Collazo beat Hatton in the eyes of many and then Mosely took him to school! I hardly think Collazo's overated if he lost a very controversial desision to Hatton. Mosely's still got it..I hope he has anyway. I want to see him expose Cotto..I just know there are cracks in Cotto's game. I think Mosely is the one to find them.

Shane Mosley isnt as quick as he was but he is still up there with the best of them, I think he will beat Cotto with his movement and speed and imop he is the man to beat Mayweather. Hatton is also one of my favourite fighters but I think Sugar Shane has more chance of beating Mayweather and thats why Mayweather is avoiding Shane and fighting Hatton instead. Mosley really wants the fight with Mayweather and once he gets it (if) I think he will retire. Hopefully after KOing Floyds arse!!

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Shane Mosley isnt as quick as he was but he is still up there with the best of them, I think he will beat Cotto with his movement and speed and imop he is the man to beat Mayweather. Hatton is also one of my favourite fighters but I think Sugar Shane has more chance of beating Mayweather and thats why Mayweather is avoiding Shane and fighting Hatton instead. Mosley really wants the fight with Mayweather and once he gets it (if) I think he will retire. Hopefully after KOing Floyds a***!!

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Mayweather avoiding Shane ?? you can't win with some people if Mayweather was fighting Mosley you would say Mayweather was ducking Hatton im sure if Mosley wins his fight vs Cotto that he will get his shot.

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Shane Mosley isnt as quick as he was but he is still up there with the best of them, I think he will beat Cotto with his movement and speed and imop he is the man to beat Mayweather. Hatton is also one of my favourite fighters but I think Sugar Shane has more chance of beating Mayweather and thats why Mayweather is avoiding Shane and fighting Hatton instead. Mosley really wants the fight with Mayweather and once he gets it (if) I think he will retire. Hopefully after KOing Floyds a***!!

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Mayweather avoiding Shane ?? you can't win with some people if Mayweather was fighting Mosley you would say Mayweather was ducking Hatton im sure if Mosley wins his fight vs Cotto that he will get his shot.

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I dont think Mayweather is necessary ducking Mosley but Shane has been calling Floyd out for quite a while.
I give Mayweather full respect for coming out of retirement and fighting Hatton but I think he has took a bit of an easier option in fighting Hatton rather than Mosley, but who can blame him. Like you said Icecold if Mosley beats Cotto then hopfully Shane will get his chance!

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Shane Mosley isnt as quick as he was but he is still up there with the best of them, I think he will beat Cotto with his movement and speed and imop he is the man to beat Mayweather. Hatton is also one of my favourite fighters but I think Sugar Shane has more chance of beating Mayweather and thats why Mayweather is avoiding Shane and fighting Hatton instead. Mosley really wants the fight with Mayweather and once he gets it (if) I think he will retire. Hopefully after KOing Floyds a***!!

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Mayweather avoiding Shane ?? you can't win with some people if Mayweather was fighting Mosley you would say Mayweather was ducking Hatton im sure if Mosley wins his fight vs Cotto that he will get his shot.

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i'm one of mayweather's biggest supporters and even i know he's ducking shane...i could care less if he beats hatton, because hatton is nothing more than a strong version of gatti and floyd won't get much credit for taking him to school like gatti...hatton will miss a lot of leaping left hooks and eat leather all night long...shane has and always will be the one with realistic chance of beating mayweather...at 147 shane beats floyd easily with his work rate alone..floyd can't win he he doesn't punch and his work rate isn't that high at 147 and he's great but he stand in the pocket and make shane miss..if shane connects it will show weather floyd can bang with a true boxer-puncher....

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Shane Mosley isnt as quick as he was but he is still up there with the best of them, I think he will beat Cotto with his movement and speed and imop he is the man to beat Mayweather. Hatton is also one of my favourite fighters but I think Sugar Shane has more chance of beating Mayweather and thats why Mayweather is avoiding Shane and fighting Hatton instead. Mosley really wants the fight with Mayweather and once he gets it (if) I think he will retire. Hopefully after KOing Floyds a***!!

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Mayweather avoiding Shane ?? you can't win with some people if Mayweather was fighting Mosley you would say Mayweather was ducking Hatton im sure if Mosley wins his fight vs Cotto that he will get his shot.

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I dont think Mayweather is necessary ducking Mosley but Shane has been calling Floyd out for quite a while.
I give Mayweather full respect for coming out of retirement and fighting Hatton but I think he has took a bit of an easier option in fighting Hatton rather than Mosley, but who can blame him. Like you said Icecold if Mosley beats Cotto then hopfully Shane will get his chance!

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Don't forget Mayweather offered himself to Mosely when Mosley was more in his prime but Mosley was on holiday! I hate how quick people are to accuse Mayweather of 'ducking'. I don't think Mosley would beat Mayweather at this stage in his career but it would be interesting. Who knows the fight may still happen!

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Shane Mosley isnt as quick as he was but he is still up there with the best of them, I think he will beat Cotto with his movement and speed and imop he is the man to beat Mayweather. Hatton is also one of my favourite fighters but I think Sugar Shane has more chance of beating Mayweather and thats why Mayweather is avoiding Shane and fighting Hatton instead. Mosley really wants the fight with Mayweather and once he gets it (if) I think he will retire. Hopefully after KOing Floyds a***!!

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Mayweather avoiding Shane ?? you can't win with some people if Mayweather was fighting Mosley you would say Mayweather was ducking Hatton im sure if Mosley wins his fight vs Cotto that he will get his shot.

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I slightly disagree there.
Isn't Mosley the WBC interim champ or WBC no.1 ranked? It seems the logical option for Mayweather and Mosley to get it on now.

If Mayweather actually called out Mosley, rather than call him a sparring partner and the fight was made, if anything, Hatton would be sidelined in most of our minds.

Besides, can anyone here honestly say Hatton is a bigger fight than Mosley?
Dont get me wrong its great that Hatton is fighting Mayweather... But only because we all know how much Hatton wanted it.

75% of Mosley is still better than 90% of the other fighters out there.

And wouldn't it be great if we saw the winner of Cotto/Mosley and Mayweather/Hatton fight each other? Now we're talking!!

Going back to the original question.

Yes Mosley is still a huge threat to anyone who steps in the ring with him.

Mosley was always a bit too small for 154 and he still did a damn good job there if you ask me. I did think the first fight with Vargaz was closer than some have said here. But you gotta remember that Vargaz, even that Vargaz, was really strong and could manhandle and over power most at 154. He was giving DLH a real tough fight in the first half and looked to be too strong for Oscar untill Oscar stepped it up and took control of the fight.

Vargaz is very much underrated after his loss to Tito. He has only lossed to the very best (Trinidad, De la Hoya and Mosley) and was going into the fight with 4 straight wins including a UD over Javier Castillejo who only last year KOed Sturm for a MW title. I know this is not really that impressive but the point is Vargaz was still a top fighter when he fought Mosley.

I also don't think anyone was overrating Collazo. He is a fast slick boxer who had just given Ricky Hatton, the universally recognized Undisputed 140lb champ, the toughest fight of his career. Mosley was just the better man and showed his quickness is back as a 147lber.

With that said....I don't want nobody talking no sh*t when my boy Cotto smacks that a**

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Shane Mosley isnt as quick as he was but he is still up there with the best of them, I think he will beat Cotto with his movement and speed and imop he is the man to beat Mayweather. Hatton is also one of my favourite fighters but I think Sugar Shane has more chance of beating Mayweather and thats why Mayweather is avoiding Shane and fighting Hatton instead. Mosley really wants the fight with Mayweather and once he gets it (if) I think he will retire. Hopefully after KOing Floyds a***!!

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Mayweather avoiding Shane ?? you can't win with some people if Mayweather was fighting Mosley you would say Mayweather was ducking Hatton im sure if Mosley wins his fight vs Cotto that he will get his shot.

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I slightly disagree there.
Isn't Mosley the WBC interim champ or WBC no.1 ranked? It seems the logical option for Mayweather and Mosley to get it on now.

If Mayweather actually called out Mosley, rather than call him a sparring partner and the fight was made, if anything, Hatton would be sidelined in most of our minds.

Besides, can anyone here honestly say Hatton is a bigger fight than Mosley?
Dont get me wrong its great that Hatton is fighting Mayweather... But only because we all know how much Hatton wanted it.

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This is where some Alphabet shit is getting fucked up, after PBF won the WBC 154 lb title, the WBC stated that he would vacate the 147 lb title it if he didn't make an immediate defense against Mosley and Mosley would be the
WBC 147 Champ, however, now that all this money is involved PBF will in fact be defending the WBC 147 lb title
against Hatton, and Mosley is kinda left out in the cold with a title he should have inherited, although I haven't heard
"Sugar" complain.

Yes Shane is still one of the top flight best fighters in the world right now... Anyone who says different has to get their head out of the sand

The 1st Vargas fight was getting close, but to say VArgas was gonna KO Shane ??? What a load of Shat, Believe me if someone was gonna fade down the stretch in that fight it was Fernado Vargas

The 2nd fight, Vargas was completely shot

This I dont understand at all ??? If Vargas was dominating the 2nd half of their 1st fight and was gonna KO Shane, then how how could Vargas be completely shot when he fought Shane in an immediate rematch ??? I dont quite understand your logic

How can you say Colazzo is overrated ??? he is a young hungry top 147 fighter and a slick south paw with good skills. Its like your trying to do damage control for Shane losing... Believe me Cotto is not gonna beat Mosely! So its not necessary

I think that Shane still has a bit left in him...When you break it down it sounds more rational....

At 154 bMosley was beyond his weight class so his performances were not all too impressive...Everyone knoew that including him that why he dropped back down

His bouts with Vargas though not all that impressive Mosley still KO's a man known for his rugged styles and power punching who walks around at 190-200lbs at times....The natrual size in general was hard to get over...
and of course the weight diffrence slowed him a bit

Molsley is actually even smaller the DLH not only in height but mass size as well...Mosley at 154 was like DLH at 160 just not a good fit....

Mosley lost to Wright twice...Perhaps the best version ever of Wright ever...again at 154....

his two losses to Forrest...The first one I think took Mosley off his game a bit and he did not expect a Forrest of that caliber...The second fight was closer but Mosley lost that as well but again no shame...Forrest at that time was truly a DAMN good fighter.....

I do not see wheree Shane has ever been shown to be shot....Or do Have I ever seen where he has shown he should retire before something bad happens...He has only been down one time in his career against Forrest....
He can still hang with the best and 147 is his ideal weight...He can make it easy and he is not outsized.....out muscled or really does he have a speed disadvantage against anyone but maybe Floyd at 147 as of current.....

Problem is we all know and remember the prime Mosley...the Mosley that had dazzling combos and ring movement...

Alll fighters aree compared to their prime moments and fighters can not remain prime forever but we can not always compare them to their prime moment....and that is what is happening here...Mosley of today is being compared to the Mosley of his absolute prime.....Lets be honest for a second...a Prime Mosley is hard for anyone to be compared to..he is an ATG

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Yes Shane is still one of the top flight best fighters in the world right now... Anyone who says different has to get their head out of the sand

The 1st Vargas fight was getting close, but to say VArgas was gonna KO Shane ??? What a load of Shat, Believe me if someone was gonna fade down the stretch in that fight it was Fernado Vargas

The 2nd fight, Vargas was completely shot

This I dont understand at all ??? If Vargas was dominating the 2nd half of their 1st fight and was gonna KO Shane, then how how could Vargas be completely shot when he fought Shane in an immediate rematch ??? I dont quite understand your logic

How can you say Colazzo is overrated ??? he is a young hungry top 147 fighter and a slick south paw with good skills. Its like your trying to do damage control for Shane losing... Believe me Cotto is not gonna beat Mosely! So its not necessary

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Nobody is doing damage control. I still see Mosley winning by a decision against Cotto.

I was just posting this for discussion.

Anybody who says that Vargas looked the same in the 2nd fight as he did in the first needs to have their head examined. Vargas was still a solid contender at the end of their first fight, but as of the 2nd, everyone said he's washed up real bad and needs to retire.

And yes...............

I don't think much of Collazo other than he caught Hatton on the worst night of Hatton's career.

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Anybody who says that Vargas looked the same in the 2nd fight as he did in the first needs to have their head examined. Vargas was still a solid contender at the end of their first fight, but as of the 2nd, everyone said he's washed up real bad and needs to retire.

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Anybody who says that Vargas looked the same in the 2nd fight as he did in the first needs to have their head examined. Vargas was still a solid contender at the end of their first fight, but as of the 2nd, everyone said he's washed up real bad and needs to retire.

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Well call the doctor and schedule my examination, because I dont follow how if Vargas didnt fight in between the rematch how could he have fallen off the table even worse ??? Dosent make sense to me.

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Well do you remember that Vargas never wanted the rematch and only did it for the money?

The first time they fought, Vargas WANTED to fight.

The second time they fought, Vargas went on record saying he didn't want a rematch but ended up doing it for the money.


This will ring a bell to some members who read this.

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Well call the doctor and schedule my examination, because I dont follow how if Vargas didnt fight in between the rematch how could he have fallen off the table even worse ??? Dosent make sense to me.

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Well do you remember that Vargas never wanted the rematch and only did it for the money?

The first time they fought, Vargas WANTED to fight.

The second time they fought, Vargas went on record saying he didn't want a rematch but ended up doing it for the money.


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Shane Mosley isnt as quick as he was but he is still up there with the best of them, I think he will beat Cotto with his movement and speed and imop he is the man to beat Mayweather. Hatton is also one of my favourite fighters but I think Sugar Shane has more chance of beating Mayweather and thats why Mayweather is avoiding Shane and fighting Hatton instead. Mosley really wants the fight with Mayweather and once he gets it (if) I think he will retire. Hopefully after KOing Floyds a***!!

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Mayweather avoiding Shane ?? you can't win with some people if Mayweather was fighting Mosley you would say Mayweather was ducking Hatton im sure if Mosley wins his fight vs Cotto that he will get his shot.

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I think people believe Floyd should be fighting every month. It's bollocks. I'm not a Floyd fan but he's hardly ducking people. As for Mosley, he's a great fighter, but I believe Cotto will take him. Great fight though, glad it's being made.

your forgetting how big vargas is, hes huge compared to mosely

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Shane Mosley isnt as quick as he was but he is still up there with the best of them, I think he will beat Cotto with his movement and speed and imop he is the man to beat Mayweather. Hatton is also one of my favourite fighters but I think Sugar Shane has more chance of beating Mayweather and thats why Mayweather is avoiding Shane and fighting Hatton instead. Mosley really wants the fight with Mayweather and once he gets it (if) I think he will retire. Hopefully after KOing Floyds a***!!

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Mayweather avoiding Shane ?? you can't win with some people if Mayweather was fighting Mosley you would say Mayweather was ducking Hatton im sure if Mosley wins his fight vs Cotto that he will get his shot.

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i'm one of mayweather's biggest supporters and even i know he's ducking shane...i could care less if he beats hatton, because hatton is nothing more than a strong version of gatti and floyd won't get much credit for taking him to school like gatti...hatton will miss a lot of leaping left hooks and eat leather all night long...shane has and always will be the one with realistic chance of beating mayweather...at 147 shane beats floyd easily with his work rate alone..floyd can't win he he doesn't punch and his work rate isn't that high at 147 and he's great but he stand in the pocket and make shane miss..if shane connects it will show weather floyd can bang with a true boxer-puncher....

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Thats total rubbish Hatton is way above Gatti in class Hatton beat top world class fighters Gatti never did and i think its bit early to say Mayweather is ducking Mosley if Mosley beats Cotto i gurantee you Mosley will get his shot because Cotto and Mosley are both deserving so let them fight eachother to see who really is the proper one to fight Mayweather.

shane beats floyd easily with his work rate alone..

Floyd has never struggled with workrate.

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Alll fighters aree compared to their prime moments and fighters can not remain prime forever but we can not always compare them to their prime moment....and that is what is happening here...Mosley of today is being compared to the Mosley of his absolute prime.....Lets be honest for a second...a Prime Mosley is hard for anyone to be compared to..he is an ATG

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The word "prime" gets tossed around on here a lot. For many, it seems like prime=height of physical abilities. In some cases, that might be true. But when a great fighter loses a step physically, often he learns to compensate in the thinking end of the fight game. SSM is a good example of a very intelligent fighter who is not quite as young as he once was, but who's still very capable in the ring. I think he's not so far gone that he can't make adjustments and give Cotto one hell of a fight.

I wouldn't be surprised to see this match go to either fighter - SSM on skill and experience, or Cotto on tenacity and aggression.

Unless Shane has really gotten out of his groove, I just can't see Cotto beating him. I see his face looking as bad as Vargas' by the 6th or 7th round, and think Shane will redefine the term hitting from angles. In a way I want Mosley to win because I really want him and Floyd to fight, but on the other hand I'd like to see Cotto take it and maybe become the new young lion in the division.

Mosley showed in the Collazo fight that he's still a great fighter. Cotto will be a tougher assignment than Collazo. But I still lean towards Mosley on points.

I just want to respond to the comment that sugar been calling floyd out for a while now, he has but at the same time PB has called him out first but sugar wasn't didn't to fight him. He was talking about going on vacation and thinking about it with his wife. I love Sugar but he is a pu$$y when it come to his wife. :-X I think she is the reason he didn't want to fight him at first. He I think he is a legend and has one of the biggest hearts i ever seen on a fighter. He still got a lot left in the tank and will kick Cotto A$$ I just hope he give his wife the boot next.

It's a testament to his incredible athleticism that Shane is still so fast and strong...even at his age. The man is a great boxer and carries himself with class. He still has plenty left in the tank to be a tremendous task for ANY fighter he faces. I think in his last few fights he has gone back to throwing more combo's and looks more fluid than he has in a long time. He become enamored with trying to hurt people with one punch in recent years. But he seems to be fighting better all around than he has in many years. I think he will simply have too much skill, athleticism, and experience for Cotto to handle. If everything works out...hopefully him and Floyd will finally fight in the near future (before Shane gets too old).

I think Vargas was coming back in the first fight and it was a coin toss as to who would have got the decision but Mosley was the smart fighter and worked vargas's eye all credit to him. The second fight Vargas had weight trouble and yes he was a shot fighter, he should have hung the gloves up right there. Mosley isn't a shot fighter and still has a bit left in the tank but i think Cotto is gonna knock his ass out. Cotto has only gotten better since he moved up to 147lbs and he cuts the ring off very effectively. Trust me Cotto will rip the shit out of his body and finish the fight in RD 10, hell i think this will be fight of the year. Cotto will get knocked down by Mosley early tho as he will be too excited and try n take Shanes head off and catch a counter. Cotto will come back tho cause hes a warrior and want it so bad. As for Mosley beating Floyd i cant see it myself. Mayweather is such an amazing boxer he can adapt to almost any style and turn the fight in his favor without losing too many rounds. Do you seriously think Mayweather would just coast if he was getting out worked? The only reason Floyd doesn't put out a high work rate is because he hasn't needed to. In the De La Hoya fight all of de la hoya's punches were being blocked and Floyd's landed he was being efficient with his punches whereas de la hoya just let the combo's go and he gassed out. Against Mosley Floyd would be a lot busier and would probably stand up close and counter as Mosley shots got blocked. Shane throws in spurts now so Floyd ll just block the flurry's and mount his own offense.

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I think Vargas was coming back in the first fight and it was a coin toss as to who would have got the decision but Mosley was the smart fighter and worked vargas's eye all credit to him. The second fight Vargas had weight trouble and yes he was a shot fighter, he should have hung the gloves up right there. Mosley isn't a shot fighter and still has a bit left in the tank but i think Cotto is gonna knock his a** out. Cotto has only gotten better since he moved up to 147lbs and he cuts the ring off very effectively. Trust me Cotto will rip the S*** out of his body and finish the fight in RD 10, hell i think this will be fight of the year. Cotto will get knocked down by Mosley early tho as he will be too excited and try n take Shanes head off and catch a counter. Cotto will come back tho cause hes a warrior and want it so bad. As for Mosley beating Floyd i cant see it myself. Mayweather is such an amazing boxer he can adapt to almost any style and turn the fight in his favor without losing too many rounds. Do you seriously think Mayweather would just coast if he was getting out worked? The only reason Floyd doesn't put out a high work rate is because he hasn't needed to. In the De La Hoya fight all of de la hoya's punches were being blocked and Floyd's landed he was being efficient with his punches whereas de la hoya just let the combo's go and he gassed out. Against Mosley Floyd would be a lot busier and would probably stand up close and counter as Mosley shots got blocked. Shane throws in spurts now so Floyd ll just block the flurry's and mount his own offense.

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Dream on. Cotto has been put on his ass by fighters with a lot less speed, power. and skill than Shane. Shane also can hit the body hard, he will be way faster, has a much better chin....and even at his age will be better conditioned. If it's war...Cotto will be the one catching a beatdown by a superior boxer/athlete (unless he want to take a few cheap shots to Shane's crotch). Shane can bang and he can also pick him apart from numerous different angles. Say what you want about Vargas...but he is a BIG, strong, and stubborn guy...and he got viciously knocked down by Mosely. Should be a great fight...but Cotto will be the one in trouble.

Shane Mosley is a big deal and a big name, until someone kicks his ass in the ring and he retires he definately deserves a shot against Cotto and if he wins then Floyd.
Mosley would be in everyone's top 10 Lightweight Champions of all time lists and he has been a great Welterwight Champion with two wins against a prime DLH.
His major problem is age and he will be 36 by fight time and the reality is in boxing as much as all of us don't like to say it, he is one fight away from being shot. He is going up against a younger warrior in Cotto
nine years his junior and it won't be easy. I know we will get a good fight because Mosley is in it!!

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Well just have to wait and see. The boxing world is in for a big surprise after this fight. Age will be a big factor in this one. Do not bet on Mosley.

Stupid thread,of course Shane is a big deal otherwise so many people would not be excited about this fight. So many variables,but I still favour Cotto. He just hits way too hard at 147,especially to the body and although Mosley has some pop too,I think Cotto's body attack will wear him down. Cotto's jab will give Mosley problems too.

Shane's speed will be important for him and will give Miguel trouble at times but I think Cotto can handle it. He handled Zabs speed fairly well,and Shane is not much faster than Za. Zab was also southpaw which made it more difficult,Shane isn't.

And Cotto's stamina has been awesome at 147,he was averaging about 80 punches a round v Zab and didn't seem that tired at all to me. Miguel wins this for me,too strong,too much pressure and as long as he uses his jab alot like he did v Zab to set up his shots,he'l do well for sure.

He's a lot more then a big name, he's approaching pound for pound status yet again and that is if he isn't already.

Vargas may be a shot fighter, but the guy in front of you doesn't have to be Ray Robinson for you to look good. He was fast, accurate and punched in combinations again.

Then against Collazo he just looked excellent, sweeping a good fighter completely out. Shane hadn't been that good since before the Forrest bouts and before the BALCO stuff. It's been rough on Mosley, but he's done a good job in resurrecting his career.

To be honest I never thought he would return to form but he did and that's what makes this matchup so good. Can't wait, Cotto KO but this is the one, unlike Judah, that I'm not positively sure of. It's the first time Cotto has been in the ring with someone of his own skill level imo.

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He's a lot more then a big name, he's approaching pound for pound status yet again and that is if he isn't already.

Vargas may be a shot fighter, but the guy in front of you doesn't have to be Ray Robinson for you to look good. He was fast, accurate and punched in combinations again.

Then against Collazo he just looked excellent, sweeping a good fighter completely out. Shane hadn't been that good since before the Forrest bouts and before the BALCO stuff. It's been rough on Mosley, but he's done a good job in resurrecting his career.

To be honest I never thought he would return to form but he did and that's what makes this matchup so good. Can't wait, Cotto KO but this is the one, unlike Judah, that I'm not positively sure of. It's the first time Cotto has been in the ring with someone of his own skill level imo.

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What is BALCO??? And I disagree,when the fight was made,people thought Quintana was more skilled than Cotto and would beat him. A similar situation with Paulie too,ALOT of people thought he would outbox Cotto.

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What is BALCO??? And I disagree,when the fight was made,people thought Quintana was more skilled than Cotto and would beat him. A similar situation with Paulie too,ALOT of people thought he would outbox Cotto.

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Agree with you. Over 50% of the boxing world continue to under estimate Cotto's talent. They used to compare him with Gatti that he was just gonna be an exciting fighter to watch, then they said he was too slow for quintana, Mag and for Judah, and now they are saying that he has no chance what so ever at a Mosley because Mosley is fast and has a chin....... well let these people keep on underestimating his talent,speed, power and heart. They will see after this fight that Cotto is the real deal and faster than what many think. I continue to say, Cotto's fight mentality is alot like B-HOPS.....No matter what style to come to fight with......You will fight their style of Fight and that seems to frustrate every fighter.

I love Cotto's aggressive pressure style - a lot - but SSM has the skill to frustrate Cotto. Mosley is no Judah or Malignaggi - this is easily the biggest test for Cotto.

I still say it can go either way.

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What is BALCO??? And I disagree,when the fight was made,people thought Quintana was more skilled than Cotto and would beat him. A similar situation with Paulie too,ALOT of people thought he would outbox Cotto.

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Agree with you. Over 50% of the boxing world continue to under estimate Cotto's talent. They used to compare him with Gatti that he was just gonna be an exciting fighter to watch, then they said he was too slow for quintana, Mag and for Judah, and now they are saying that he has no chance what so ever at a Mosley because Mosley is fast and has a chin....... well let these people keep on underestimating his talent,speed, power and heart. They will see after this fight that Cotto is the real deal and faster than what many think. I continue to say, Cotto's fight mentality is alot like B-HOPS.....No matter what style to come to fight with......You will fight their style of Fight and that seems to frustrate every fighter.

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Doesn't matter if Cotto forces Shane to fight his style. Shane has the power and speed (not to mention the chin)....and Cotto has the an iffy chin....that if this become a brawl...Shane has the advantage there as well. As shown by Mosely's fights against Forrest and Wright...Shane has problems fighting fighters with a great jab and ones that use their range. Unless Shane grows old in this fight...he has too much skill and athleticism for Cotto...and when they exchange...Shane will be way faster and just as strong if not stronger. Speed trumps power. In this case you have speed AND power against a weak chin and a weak defense.

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What is BALCO??? And I disagree,when the fight was made,people thought Quintana was more skilled than Cotto and would beat him. A similar situation with Paulie too,ALOT of people thought he would outbox Cotto.

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Agree with you. Over 50% of the boxing world continue to under estimate Cotto's talent. They used to compare him with Gatti that he was just gonna be an exciting fighter to watch, then they said he was too slow for quintana, Mag and for Judah, and now they are saying that he has no chance what so ever at a Mosley because Mosley is fast and has a chin....... well let these people keep on underestimating his talent,speed, power and heart. They will see after this fight that Cotto is the real deal and faster than what many think. I continue to say, Cotto's fight mentality is alot like B-HOPS.....No matter what style to come to fight with......You will fight their style of Fight and that seems to frustrate every fighter.

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Doesn't matter if Cotto forces Shane to fight his style. Shane has the power and speed (not to mention the chin)....and Cotto has the an iffy chin....that if this become a brawl...Shane has the advantage there as well. As shown by Mosely's fights against Forrest and Wright...Shane has problems fighting fighters with a great jab and ones that use their range. Unless Shane grows old in this fight...he has too much skill and athleticism for Cotto...and when they exchange...Shane will be way faster and just as strong if not stronger. Speed trumps power. In this case you have speed AND power against a weak chin and a weak defense.

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I think you're slightly under rating Cotto or over rating Mosley. You make no mention of Cotto's power which is comparable if not better than Shane's at WW. Zab was also way faster than Cotto. You also neglect to mention that Cotto was landing a superb jab v the southpaw Zab so I'm sure he would be able to land it v Mosley who has difficulties dealing with a good stiff jab as seen in the Vernon an WInky fights.

I think you are overrating Cotto's jab...because it's not nearly the same as Winky's or Vernon's...two fighter who had way more range, reach, and size than Cotto. As far as me giving too much credit to Mosely's power...Shane is pound 4 pound of the strongest fighters in the sport. No doubt Cotto's strong...but Cotto's weak chin has been seriously wobbled by much less punchers than Shane. As far as the Judah comment...Zab's speed was giving Cotto plenty of trouble....but the classic Judah mental weakness, along with cheap shots to his groin, lost the fight for him.

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He's a lot more then a big name, he's approaching pound for pound status yet again and that is if he isn't already.

Vargas may be a shot fighter, but the guy in front of you doesn't have to be Ray Robinson for you to look good. He was fast, accurate and punched in combinations again.

Then against Collazo he just looked excellent, sweeping a good fighter completely out. Shane hadn't been that good since before the Forrest bouts and before the BALCO stuff. It's been rough on Mosley, but he's done a good job in resurrecting his career.

To be honest I never thought he would return to form but he did and that's what makes this matchup so good. Can't wait, Cotto KO but this is the one, unlike Judah, that I'm not positively sure of. It's the first time Cotto has been in the ring with someone of his own skill level imo.

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What is BALCO??? And I disagree,when the fight was made,people thought Quintana was more skilled than Cotto and would beat him. A similar situation with Paulie too,ALOT of people thought he would outbox Cotto.

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BALCO is the Bay Area lab that made the steroids "The cream" and "The clear", the owner is now in Prison but implicated in the thing was Barry Bonds, Jason Giambi, Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery and a whole host of other elite athletes including Shane Mosley. Mosley ended up testifying about the thing and he fell off immediately after that came out.

And I hugely rate Cotto's skills, I like both Quintana and Malignaggi to come back and be champions but Cotto was better skilled then both of them especially Malignaggi. But Cotto did indeed prove better.

Mosley is a guy we KNOW will match Cotto in skill level. It's a very evenly matched fight imo, while even if they were seeming close matchups, Quintana and Malignaggi were never P4P champions. Wasn't discrediting either but this is obviously the best guy Cotto has ever faced.