Mayweather Vs Hatton Story

The table is set , the time for rumors and speculations is over. Another super fight hype has been born in what many boxing experts believe to be the end of "Pretty Boy" Floyd's reign at the top of the pound for pound chart. It's Mayweather vs Hatton , Lightning vs Thunder , the Slickster vs the Clubber!

It's been a few months now since the Hatton-Castillo fight. Since then , there has been a lot of talk between both camps about the money , the weight , Floyd's comeback.. First , it was impossible to take Mayweather's retirement seriously , at 30 , his record stands at an impressive 38 victories , 0 losses and 24 wins by knockout. He's already beatten today's bests , but there is still strong opposition in the 147 lbs devision ; Shane Mosley 44-4 , Miguel Cotto 30-0 , Paul Williams 33-0 and perhaps even Demetrius Hopkins 27-0 to a lesser extent.

It's now official ; Mayweather will fight Ricky hatton 43-0 on december 8th , the weight will be 147 lbs , the venue will be the MGM grand in Vegas , 40% of the fans will be from England and out of the remaining 60% , 40% will be Hatton lovers/Mayweather haters. How important is this? Having 80% of the crowd on Ricky's side will be extremely dangerous for Floyd , it's not only bad for morale , it can also have an effect on judging. Remember may 5th at the Delahoya-Mayweather bout where 99.9% of boxing experts had Floyd ahead 116-112 , Tom Kaczmarek , most likely influenced by the Delahoya crowd had Oscar winning 115-113.

Other than the crowd , Floyd will have a hard time against Hatton's infamous "hook and hold" style , cutting the ring off constantly will force Floyd to use short hooks and uppercuts. There will be little or no running around the ring , they will fight on the inside , hitting in the clutch , Mayweather will have to fight off the ropes most of the time.. Long story short , it's setting up to be a nightmare fight for "Pretty Boy Floyd".

All that aside , the fight will take place at Floyd's most comfortable weight , and Ricky's least comfortable weight , and thought the odds are stacked up against Mayweather , he's been in pretty bad situations before , he's more talented , more skilled , he has more experience , he's faster , more accurate , lighter on his toes , he's been in the ring with the best and he's beatten them all and most importantly , he's been able to adapt to any of his opponent's styles.

Of course , no one is invincible , legends like Ali , Leonard , Robinson have losses on their records , the chances of a 30 year old pound for pound king staying undefeated until retirement are pretty low and should Mayweather win this bout , he will probably either retire or take the winner of the Mosley-Cotto fight and then things could get even more complicated...

Keys to victory Mayweather
- Create distance
- Score with jabs
- Short hooks

Keys to victory Hatton
- Hook and hold
- Cut off the ring
- Crowd

What this fight means for the winner:
If 28 year old Ricky Hatton wins this fight , it means bigger paydays in america , bigger names will want to fight him , it will silence most crittics , he will continue his ascension in the ranks , capturing and defending titles but he will likely drop back to light welterweight as he is much stronger in that division. In a nut shell , an excellent career awaits Hatton if he wins on december 8th .. As for one day becoming pound for pound champ , it's doubtful at best.

If 30 year old Floyd Mayweather Jr. wins this fight , he will get back on top of the pound for pound ranks (some see Hopkins as king after his win over Winky Wright) but it will not silence the crittics as they will never be satisfied until someone beats him. Floyd will most likely "retire" again after this fight leaving his career as one of the best fighters to ever lace boxing gloves.

Mayweather better than Ali?
NO! First , boxing fans will never have a fighter replace Ali as the #1 fighter of all times.
If we look at it statistically though , Mayweather has had an incredible career , but for him to surpass Ali as the all time best , he would have to beat Hatton 43-0 , the winner of the Mosley 44-4 Cotto 43-0 fight and then he would have to defeat Paul Williams 33-0. Winning those three fights would put Floyd on top of the all time's best list , but to most people , Ali will never be surpassed.

sounds like Hattons dad wrote that

Good read mate. Is that your own work?

yes sir , i always write articles before a huge fight

Good work , t'was a good read

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Have your first CC in that case buddy ;)

Very good article...floyd has never had the crowd with him so i don't see it making any difference at all...the guys that came over for the castillio fight were more silly and gave me a big laugh if anything. Floyd lives in vegas and even there he is always in front of a hostile crowd, i don't think the fight will be close enough to where the judges will have too much influence ...all the mental stratagies and crowds and all those type of intagables won't affect pbf it's been there done that for him. What's gonna matter is what hatton can physically bring and perform in the ring..and when it comes to that this fight is simple.

Yeah but you've see what happened on may 5th , i know for a fact that the crowd influenced Kaczmarek's judging , and you also saw the hatton castillo fight , man the fans were loud! , imagine what ll happen on december 8th , on top of the hatton fans , 90% of vegas hates pbf

I'm not sure if the crowd effected Kaczmarek's scoring or not. Some judges punish a fighter on their scorecards if they run around and don't iniate the action, and reward the aggressor even if he isn't landing clean punches. That seems to me what happened on that scorecard. Personally, I like that kind of judging. Ballet dancing around the ring and pot shotting here and there does not deserve favor on a scorecard.

WIth the buzz and the fans in Britain, I sincerely doubt that only 40% of the crowd will be English, it'll be more like 80%, out of the 13,500 or so at the Thomas & Mack, at least 10,000 where from England. Great article by the way, really enjoyed it :coolclick:

i hope hatton wins, but its hard not to love mayweather.

either way its an epic fight

between hatton by KO or mayweather by decision , i'd go with pbf

The crowd wont affect Mayweather one bit, he went to Broadwalk Hall and almost every fan was cheering for Gatti and we know what happened there. To be honest no matter what Hatton does he will not beat Mayweather if Floyd boxes. A good boxer always beats a brawler. Hatton is too one dimentional to beat Floyd and many people say Hatton is relentless but he will fade down the strech no doubt about it. He puts on too much weight in between fights and that affects him towards the end of the fight. Floyd is always in tip top condition hell he could probibly fight twice in one night and win em both. I dont think Mayweather will ever be accepted as the best fighter ever no matter who he beats, people hate him and judge him on a personal level (similar to Naseem Hamed) rather than professionally and thats why anyone who fights him is given all the hype that this guy is the one that will beat Floyd or that guy is gonna beat him and if he beat all of em they will say 'oh this was a weak era compare to Robinson and Lennord and Hearns'.

youre right acea very good post!

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Very good article...floyd has never had the crowd with him so i don't see it making any difference at all...the guys that came over for the castillio fight were more silly and gave me a big laugh if anything. Floyd lives in vegas and even there he is always in front of a hostile crowd, i don't think the fight will be close enough to where the judges will have too much influence ...all the mental stratagies and crowds and all those type of intagables won't affect pbf it's been there done that for him. What's gonna matter is what hatton can physically bring and perform in the ring..and when it comes to that this fight is simple.

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Excellent point. Mayweather don't need the crowd behind him. He's winning this fight like he's won his other fights. On his own

good point but do you think he'll be able to avoid or withstand hatton s onslaught of body shots?

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good point but do you think he'll be able to avoid or withstand hatton s onslaught of body shots?

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Mayweather has seen it all before with fighters like Hatton.

Jesus Chavez springs to mind he done incredible workrate of over 90+ infact he threw over 100 punches in some rounds but was landing very little Jose Luis Castillo is another yes i know in first fight Mayweather had trouble but in the rematch he fought excellent fight staying off the ropes learning his lesson from first fight and winning pretty comfortable decision Hatton is bringing nothing new to the table that Mayweather hasn't already dealt with.

another excellent point.. man u seem really confident! how do you see this ending?

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another excellent point.. man u seem really confident! how do you see this ending?

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I see it ending with Mayweather winning on cut stoppage or winning 12 ud remember how Hatton was out on his feet against Collazo at Welterweight who isn't hard hitter at all and Mayweather's power is underrated he may not be really hard hitter but he has decent enough power to make you respect him i mean he moved up to 154 way above his natural weight and managed to rock Oscar few times i don't really know how Hatton will win because others have tried Hatton's tactic of swarming and have failed and i don't think Hatton will be able to clinch constantly either because thats a tactic which he uses alot and in USA i don't think the ref will allow it to be honest i think fighter like Mosley who has lighting speed or tall fighter like Williams will give Mayweather the most trouble.

very true, i saw what williams did to margarito, i m telling you pbf vs williams has got to happen after hatton! cRaZy styles

Props for a well written article. I look forward to more posts by you.

Your article leads me to this:

I have a couple of questions for pbf fans. If Hatton wins, does this make him immediate top p4p? What happens to Floyd afterward if he does lose and for the sake of argument, loses the rematch. Does he fall into obscurity like RJJ?

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Props for a well written article. I look forward to more posts by you.

Your article leads me to this:

I have a couple of questions for pbf fans. If Hatton wins, does this make him immediate top p4p? What happens to Floyd afterward if he does lose and for the sake of argument, loses the rematch. Does he fall into obscurity like RJJ?

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If Hatton wins, does this make him immediate top p4p?

Nope didn't happen to Forrest when he beat Shane Mosley who was top 3 p4p if i remember right but Hatton would probably be top 5 easily.



What happens to Floyd afterward if he does lose and for the sake of argument, loses the rematch.

Well if he lost the Hatton fight he would rematch him straight away and if he lost the rematch it would probably be the end of Mayweathers career.



But i doubt very much Mayweather will lose to Hatton but if you flip the coin the same could be said about Hatton aswell unless he puts up good showings then thats different and ditto to Mayweather.

I remember the last time "Lightning" met "Thunder" and it wasn't pretty. I think this fight will be a lot more competitive than that one, but Floyd will still win, maybe by late stoppage.
I like Hatton, but I don't think he brings too much more to the table than Castillo or De La Hoya did. The fight in, in part, hinges on if the ref allows Hatton to use his mauling style against Floyd.

In the first Castillo fight didn't Floyd damage his shoulder before the fight but he went in and fought anyway? In the second fight he proved he was the better man so it sounds plausable.

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Props for a well written article. I look forward to more posts by you.

Your article leads me to this:

I have a couple of questions for pbf fans. If Hatton wins, does this make him immediate top p4p? What happens to Floyd afterward if he does lose and for the sake of argument, loses the rematch. Does he fall into obscurity like RJJ?

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If Hatton wins, does this make him immediate top p4p?

Nope didn't happen to Forrest when he beat Shane Mosley who was top 3 p4p if i remember right but Hatton would probably be top 5 easily.



What happens to Floyd afterward if he does lose and for the sake of argument, loses the rematch.

Well if he lost the Hatton fight he would rematch him straight away and if he lost the rematch it would probably be the end of Mayweathers career.



But i doubt very much Mayweather will lose to Hatton but if you flip the coin the same could be said about Hatton aswell unless he puts up good showings then thats different and ditto to Mayweather.

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Does Mayweather have a rematch clause in the event of a loss? I have not heard about this if so.

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Props for a well written article. I look forward to more posts by you.

Your article leads me to this:

I have a couple of questions for pbf fans. If Hatton wins, does this make him immediate top p4p? What happens to Floyd afterward if he does lose and for the sake of argument, loses the rematch. Does he fall into obscurity like RJJ?

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If mayweather losses, he will go down to number 2, Pacman will be number 1 especially if he defeats Barrera convincingly. Hatton will be ranked around 4 to 7.

CC Great Topic, good article. Thanks

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Props for a well written article. I look forward to more posts by you.

Your article leads me to this:

I have a couple of questions for pbf fans. If Hatton wins, does this make him immediate top p4p? What happens to Floyd afterward if he does lose and for the sake of argument, loses the rematch. Does he fall into obscurity like RJJ?

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If mayweather losses, he will go down to number 2, Pacman will be number 1 especially if he defeats Barrera convincingly. Hatton will be ranked around 4 to 7.

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This is what makes me laugh about P4P ratings, how can you possibly say that hatton would be ranked lower than floyd if hatton beats him and stays undefeated???? Its ludicrous!

Floyd would be higher because of the fighters hes beaten. Where would Hatton be if he beat Mayweather and lost to De La Hoya? would De La Hoya be higher than Floyd or would he be lower than Hatton. The P4P list is looked on in terms of how long you have been Champ and how many titles have you won in different divisions and who you have beaten its complicated as there is no one precise measure of who is P4P no 1. Mayweather is there now because he has beat legitimate contenders and Champions form 130- 154, Hatton has only fought at 140 and 147 and hasn't had a very long reign as champ and looking at his fight resume it is not all that impressive

yes but if hatton beats him then he is surely better than him and considering he would be still UNBEATEN he has to rank higher. you cant keep someone higher because of who has beaten in the past. That would be something you do for an all time P4P not a current P4P list?

First i would like to say thanks to everyone who wrote "nice article" , it was my first post on this site and the boxing fans here are awesome !

Second , what does "cc" mean?

and 3rd (pound for pound list)
it should be something like this :
If Mayweather loses -

1-Hopkins
2-Pacquiao (if he wins his fight)
3-Hatton
4-Mayweather

If Mayweather wins -

1-Mayweather
2-Hopkins
3-Pacquiao (if he wins his fight)
---hatton would drop between 7-10

Those are just estimations of course but i think it's important to remember taht Hopkins is still alive and kicking and though he's getting older , he still ranks as one of the best fighters in boxing!

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Props for a well written article. I look forward to more posts by you.

Your article leads me to this:

I have a couple of questions for pbf fans. If Hatton wins, does this make him immediate top p4p? What happens to Floyd afterward if he does lose and for the sake of argument, loses the rematch. Does he fall into obscurity like RJJ?

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If mayweather losses, he will go down to number 2, Pacman will be number 1 especially if he defeats Barrera convincingly. Hatton will be ranked around 4 to 7.

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This is what makes me laugh about P4P ratings, how can you possibly say that hatton would be ranked lower than floyd if hatton beats him and stays undefeated???? Its ludicrous!

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Easy. Hatton's resume is nowhere near PBF's. Just because you beat the man does not make you the man. Part of Hatton's problem is Hatton. If he held a little less and won people would give him more of a break. As it stands, you can count on himgrabbing after virtually every punch.

And if Oscar couldn't do it when PBF was out of his natural weight, what makes anyone think Hatton could when he's most comfortable? Hatton is shorter, slower, has stamina issues and is all too willing to get hit. Sure, he takes a good punch, but at the end of the day that'll just make him a professional punching bag. All this hype is VERY reminiscent of people touting how Gatti would be the first to do it. The morning after it'll be like people awoke from a fever dream and couldn't believe what they thought would happen.

And I'm not some American who automatically picks the American over the other guy. Since Lacy I've picked Calzaghe over everyone he's even been rumored to be in against. Hatton is just nowhere near a Calzaghe, not even a poor man's version.

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yes but if hatton beats him then he is surely better than him and considering he would be still UNBEATEN he has to rank higher. you cant keep someone higher because of who has beaten in the past. That would be something you do for an all time P4P not a current P4P list?

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That never happens like that Forrest beat Mosley who was top 3 p4p Forrest didn't go that high it doesn't work that way.

i agree even if pacman beat barrera hopkins would still be no 1 as barrera lost to marquez pac has to beat him to take the no 1 spot that of course is if Mayweather loses which is very unlikely and i think deep down a lot of people know this. I dont even think Hatton has earned his right to face Mayweather, Sugar Shane Mosley should have had this fight i mean beating a over the hill Castillo (the guy couldnt make weight for the Corrales fights and didnt look good in his last fight before hatton) and an aging Kostya shouldn't get you a shot i the P4P best. Trust me Hatton is going to get schooled, he has never fought a fighter like Mayweather who moves around a lot and is so elusive and accurate. Sure hatton may have been relentless in his biggest fights (Kostya and Castillo) but they stood in front of him and tried to land big shots. How will hattons stamina bare up against floyd who he is going to be chasing around the ring all night long? Will he be able to use his high work rate to the body after 5 or 6 rounds of chasing floyd down? We know Mayweather can box and move all nights long but will hatton be able to keep up with Floyd and throw punches for 12 rounds the evidence suggests he will struggle. I respect Hatton for his style and his self belief but even he must be starting to think he may have bitten off a little bit more than he can chew

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If Mayweather wins -

1-Mayweather
2-Hopkins
3-Pacquiao (if he wins his fight)
---hatton would drop between 7-10

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I have a hard time ranking Hopkins as #2 p4p when he has 2 wins and 2 losses in his last 4 fights.




Jermain Taylor should be ranked higher than B-Hop on p4p lists. Here's how my top 3 would go (assuming Mayweather wins)

1.) Mayweather

2.) Pacquio

3.) Juan Manuel Marquez

I see Hopkins as one of the bests still , i don't think , especially after watching those 2 losses , i dont think it diminishes what Hopkins has accomplished in his career , and i Certainly don't think it puts Jermain Taylor ahead of hopkins ; his two fights vs Hopkins could have easely gone either way , his fight against Wright was a draw which i believed he really lost , and his fights vs Spinks and Ouma??? wow...enough said

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another excellent point.. man u seem really confident! how do you see this ending?

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I see it ending with Mayweather winning on cut stoppage or winning 12 ud remember how Hatton was out on his feet against Collazo at Welterweight who isn't hard hitter at all and Mayweather's power is underrated he may not be really hard hitter but he has decent enough power to make you respect him i mean he moved up to 154 way above his natural weight and managed to rock Oscar few times i don't really know how Hatton will win because others have tried Hatton's tactic of swarming and have failed and i don't think Hatton will be able to clinch constantly either because thats a tactic which he uses alot and in USA i don't think the ref will allow it to be honest i think fighter like Mosley who has lighting speed or tall fighter like Williams will give Mayweather the most trouble.

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43 fights, Hatton has never been stopped on a cut, and when was the last time someone bled in a Mayweather fight? For years people have been saying Hatton will be stopped on a cut, the last time he was cut was against Carlos Maussa back in 2005. If you go on common sense rather than what the so called experts say the last thing we can expect is Hatton to be stopped on a cut.

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another excellent point.. man u seem really confident! how do you see this ending?

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I see it ending with Mayweather winning on cut stoppage or winning 12 ud remember how Hatton was out on his feet against Collazo at Welterweight who isn't hard hitter at all and Mayweather's power is underrated he may not be really hard hitter but he has decent enough power to make you respect him i mean he moved up to 154 way above his natural weight and managed to rock Oscar few times i don't really know how Hatton will win because others have tried Hatton's tactic of swarming and have failed and i don't think Hatton will be able to clinch constantly either because thats a tactic which he uses alot and in USA i don't think the ref will allow it to be honest i think fighter like Mosley who has lighting speed or tall fighter like Williams will give Mayweather the most trouble.

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43 fights, Hatton has never been stopped on a cut, and when was the last time someone bled in a Mayweather fight? For years people have been saying Hatton will be stopped on a cut, the last time he was cut was against Carlos Maussa back in 2005. If you go on common sense rather than what the so called experts say the last thing we can expect is Hatton to be stopped on a cut.

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I said that as an option thats why i always said either cut stoppage win or ud win Hatton has been badly cut before but the opposition he was up against haven't been able to take advantage of that if Hatton gets cut against Mayweather early thats it all over.

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Props for a well written article. I look forward to more posts by you.

Your article leads me to this:

I have a couple of questions for pbf fans. If Hatton wins, does this make him immediate top p4p? What happens to Floyd afterward if he does lose and for the sake of argument, loses the rematch. Does he fall into obscurity like RJJ?

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If Hatton wins, does this make him immediate top p4p?

Nope didn't happen to Forrest when he beat Shane Mosley who was top 3 p4p if i remember right but Hatton would probably be top 5 easily.



What happens to Floyd afterward if he does lose and for the sake of argument, loses the rematch.

Well if he lost the Hatton fight he would rematch him straight away and if he lost the rematch it would probably be the end of Mayweathers career.



But i doubt very much Mayweather will lose to Hatton but if you flip the coin the same could be said about Hatton aswell unless he puts up good showings then thats different and ditto to Mayweather.

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In this case I agree with you except for Hatton becoming obscure, I believe most figthers that are given a chance against the considered favorite especially someone like mayweather, they would say oh well, he lost to the best and Ricky would continue on.

Side note, I really appreciate your replies to not only my posts but to others as well. You can give a good argument (right or not...he he) without stuping to the lowest form of posting entertainment, calling people names. I retaliate when attacked viciously but to rebuttals such as yours and others like you, I feel like I walked away with a bit more than I came in with. Hats off to you sir!

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yes but if hatton beats him then he is surely better than him and considering he would be still UNBEATEN he has to rank higher. you cant keep someone higher because of who has beaten in the past. That would be something you do for an all time P4P not a current P4P list?

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That's how p4p ranking goes. A fighter needs to prove(consistently) before being promoted to higher rank. Hatton can not simply be automatically the number 1 after beating the pound for pound best. For example, let us suppose Mayweather will be paid to lose his fight with Hatton by some Mafia or syndicated organization (this happened during La Motta's time) and he is forced to accept it. What will happen? Hatton will be number 1?

No, the pound for pound ranking should be protected by not giving the top spot immediately to whoever will defeat the person who is currently holding the top spot. My argument and illustration may have been too exaggerated. I have done it so as not to explain further.