Mayweather vs Hopkins : The Boss

Pretty boy Floyd Mayweather Jr. has been on top of the boxing world for some time now. Of course , many analysts despise "PBF" to the point of screaming "Pacquiao" as King.. But for those of us who see clearly , weather we like him or not , it's been difficult to argue over the fact that Floyd has been hands down , the P4P title holder for quite some time , ever since Shane Mosley's back to back losses to Vernon Forest.

After a split decision victory over Oscar Delahoya on may 5th , Mayweather's status became even more remarkable , a spotless record of 38 wins , 0 losses and 24 big wins by KO. Having captured titles in 5 different weight classes from 130lbs to 154lbs , he's not only on top of boxing , he's also one of the top boxers of all time.. We would have to put him in the top 10 fighters ever (even the MHFC) would have to aknowledge this.

On july 21th 2007 , 42 year old Bernard Hopkins beat Ronald Wright who many believed (including myself) to be ONE of today's top fighters. It was'nt a great fight , he did'nt beat him AS convincingly as he did Antonio Tarver , but he got the job done.

Many experts have put Hopkins ahead of Mayweather after the "Winky" fight and even as a Floyd fan , i find it's still very arguable for both fighters , they've both been in the ring with the best and they've both beaten the best.

The real poll question is this , regardless of the outcome on december 8th (Mayweather Vs Hatton) , if both men were to retire today , who do YOU believe is on top of the pound for pound chart?

NOTABLE WINS
Mayweather:

Oscar De La Hoya
Zab Judah
Sharmba Mitchell
Arturo Gatti
Jose Luis Castillo X2
Diego Corrales


Hopkins:

Ronald Wright
Antonio Tarver
Howard Eastman
Felix Trinidad
Oscar De La Hoya
Glen Johnson

I'd love to read your comments also , good or bad , let'er rip

P4P right now: Maywether.

Who's legacy is more secure and who will be considered a greater fighter: Hopkins.

This is if both guys retire now.

Mayweather: World titles in 5 different weight classes, and undefeated with almost 40 fights. Still only 30 years old.

Hopkins: 2 and 2 in his last 4 fights. Beat Winky Wright similar to his victories over Trinidad and Delahoya, by fighting guys who are way outside their weight class. Don't forget that
Hopkins is now fighting at the weight class where he started his career. Jermain Taylor has a stronger claim to p4p status, imo.


1.) Floyd Mayweather Jr.

2.) Manny Pacquio

3.) Juan Manuel Marquez

4.) Jermain Taylor

5.) Bernard Hopkins

It does shock me how low Taylor is in some P4P lists despite the fact that he has not loss. It proves that P4P lists are more of a popularity contest than anything else. Taylor has had some forgetable fights but he is still winning against some tough, quality opponents.

I see Hopkins as one of the bests still , i don't think , especially after watching those 2 losses , i dont think it diminishes what Hopkins has accomplished in his career , and i Certainly don't think it puts Jermain Taylor ahead of hopkins ; his two fights vs Hopkins could have easely gone either way , his fight against Wright was a draw which i believed he really lost , and his fights vs Spinks and Ouma??? wow...enough said

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Originally Posted by Mikefields

I see Hopkins as one of the bests still , i don't think , especially after watching those 2 losses , i dont think it diminishes what Hopkins has accomplished in his career , and i Certainly don't think it puts Jermain Taylor ahead of hopkins ; his two fights vs Hopkins could have easely gone either way , his fight against Wright was a draw which i believed he really lost , and his fights vs Spinks and Ouma??? wow...enough said

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I didn't say Hopkins wasn't good.

I said he was 5th best, that's saying a helluva lot about a professional fighter. His loses to Taylor hurt him the same way it would hurt Mayweather if he lost twice to Hatton ;)

Ask yourself this............
If Hatton beats Mayweather twice, should Hatton be ranked higher than Floyd on p4p lists??

Absolutely ;)

He drew with Winky Wright who was actually fighting close to his natural weight. He beat Corey Spinks (who was and still is the #1 fighter at jr. middleweight according to the latest ring magazine rankings: http://www.thering-online.com/ringpages/ratings2.html) and took a breather to take on Kassim Ouma (who is still tons better than most guys Hopkins fought) Now he's fighting Kelly Pavlik. Pavlik is no joke, and had a big coming out party against Miranda.


Give Taylor a break. The guy fights everybody and beats everybody with the exception of one draw (I had Taylor ahead by two rounds over Wright)

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

Mayweather: World titles in 5 different weight classes, and undefeated with almost 40 fights. Still only 30 years old.

Hopkins: 2 and 2 in his last 4 fights. Beat Winky Wright similar to his victories over Trinidad and Delahoya, by fighting guys who are way outside their weight class. Don't forget that
Hopkins is now fighting at the weight class where he started his career. Jermain Taylor has a stronger claim to p4p status, imo.


1.) Floyd Mayweather Jr.

2.) Manny Pacquio

3.) Juan Manuel Marquez

4.) Jermain Taylor

5.) Bernard Hopkins

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I'm with ya on this one...

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It does shock me how low Taylor is in some P4P lists despite the fact that he has not loss. It proves that P4P lists are more of a popularity contest than anything else. Taylor has had some forgetable fights but he is still winning against some tough, quality opponents.

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Exactly.

P4P is about mythical matches with the size and weight factor leveled.

The mythical nonsense isn't needed when you've already witnessed the reality. Taylor is better than Hopkins.

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Originally Posted by Mikefields

I see Hopkins as one of the bests still , i don't think , especially after watching those 2 losses , i dont think it diminishes what Hopkins has accomplished in his career , and i Certainly don't think it puts Jermain Taylor ahead of hopkins ; his two fights vs Hopkins could have easely gone either way , his fight against Wright was a draw which i believed he really lost , and his fights vs Spinks and Ouma??? wow...enough said

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I didn't say Hopkins wasn't good.

I said he was 5th best, that's saying a helluva lot about a professional fighter. His loses to Taylor hurt him the same way it would hurt Mayweather if he lost twice to Hatton ;)

Ask yourself this............
If Hatton beats Mayweather twice, should Hatton be ranked higher than Floyd on p4p lists??

Absolutely ;)

He drew with Winky Wright who was actually fighting close to his natural weight. He beat Corey Spinks (who was and still is the #1 fighter at jr. middleweight according to the latest ring magazine rankings: http://www.thering-online.com/ringpages/ratings2.html) and took a breather to take on Kassim Ouma (who is still tons better than most guys Hopkins fought) Now he's fighting Kelly Pavlik. Pavlik is no joke, and had a big coming out party against Miranda.


Give Taylor a break. The guy fights everybody and beats everybody with the exception of one draw (I had Taylor ahead by two rounds over Wright)

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CC for that. I don't think Taylor gets enough credit, and I think it will be fight of the year with Pavlik and it will bring out the best of both guys, not ot mention will be a rebirth of the Taylor alot of people were fond of a while back. He does fight everybody and doesn't have the defeat on his record yet, and don't thik he plans on letting Pavlik be the first one to give it to him. Pavlik's style is Taylor{lol} made for Jermaine, and if Taylor wins it will be interesting to see where he stands in the rankings. I had Jermaine ahead by 3 rounds also with Wright and am surprised alot thought Winky won. I didn't see the second Taylor/Hop fight, but clearly Taylor won the 1st IMO. Taylor will be around a while.

I haven't been so much impressed on Mayweather's performances. Hopkins, on the other hand, was so impressive against Trinidad and Winky.

At the moment, pound for pound Mayweather is #1 but excitement wise and "x-factor" wise, Hopkins leads over Mayweather.

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Originally Posted by brucelee

I haven't been so much impressed on Mayweather's performances. Hopkins, on the other hand, was so impressive against Trinidad and Winky.

At the moment, pound for pound Mayweather is #1 but excitement wise and "x-factor" wise, Hopkins leads over Mayweather.

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I didn't find Hopkins impressive vs Winky and his fight with Tito was in 2001 and excitement wise goes to Hopkins ?? are you kidding me ??


How many Hopkins fight's can you say that were exciting ?? i can name handful of Mayweather's fights that were exciting but i can't say the same about Hopkins.

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

Mayweather: World titles in 5 different weight classes, and undefeated with almost 40 fights. Still only 30 years old.

Hopkins: 2 and 2 in his last 4 fights. Beat Winky Wright similar to his victories over Trinidad and Delahoya, by fighting guys who are way outside their weight class. Don't forget that
Hopkins is now fighting at the weight class where he started his career. Jermain Taylor has a stronger claim to p4p status, imo.


1.) Floyd Mayweather Jr.

2.) Manny Pacquio

3.) Juan Manuel Marquez

4.) Jermain Taylor

5.) Bernard Hopkins

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Just a little note about Taylor in regards to Hopkins...compare their records & current wins over opposition...Taylor has fought more blown up fighters than Hopkins has.

Hopkins first 20 fights were against actual middleweights...Taylor's were not.

Also...check Taylors last two or three fights...not legit middles either.

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Originally Posted by brucelee

I haven't been so much impressed on Mayweather's performances. Hopkins, on the other hand, was so impressive against Trinidad and Winky.

At the moment, pound for pound Mayweather is #1 but excitement wise and "x-factor" wise, Hopkins leads over Mayweather.

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I didn't find Hopkins impressive vs Winky and his fight with Tito was in 2001 and excitement wise goes to Hopkins ?? are you kidding me ??


How many Hopkins fight's can you say that were exciting ?? i can name handful of Mayweather's fights that were exciting but i can't say the same about Hopkins.

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His fight with Tito was in 2001 but I can still remember it. The fight lingers in my mind. That's the reason why I consider it impressive. I can't remember any of Mayweather's fight. Sorry, but that's the criteria on which I judge a fight to be impressive or not impressive.

Mayweather has to go down as the boss...he's still undefeated.

this is hard to decide because hopkins has faced against better fighters than mayweather but mayweather is undeafeated. hopkins had 20 successful middleweight title defences and also a light heavyweight champ but mayweather has held world titles in five different weight classes.

i can't decide

This is an easy one: Mayweather. He hasn't had a fight that's even been close in the last 5 years (no, the ODH fight wasn't close just because one blind judge had it horribly wrong). Hopkins, on the other hand, had two close fights with Taylor (I thought he won the first one, but it was close; and I thought he legitimately lost the second), and then, after an impressive win over a sliding Antonio Tarver, had a highly controversial victory over Wright (I thought he won, barely, but it was entirely due to dirty fighting and was far from impressive).

Don't get me wrong, I think Hop has the better legacy at this point when you look at their entire careers, but at this moment, Floyd is the man. That's obviously no shot at Hopkins--the guy's 42 years old!

i think hopkins would win by ud or late k.o, he has the smarts and ruthlessness to not chase mayweather around the ring he let mayweather come onto him

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i think hopkins would win by ud or late k.o, he has the smarts and ruthlessness to not chase mayweather around the ring he let mayweather come onto him

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I don't think this thread is about who would win if they fought, it's about who is better p4p.

Hopkins is a light heavyweight, so I think that would give him a pretty good advantage over Floyd (who was two divisions too high when he fought Oscar)












Can you name any welterweight or jr. middleweight in history that could beat Hopkins at light heavyweight?

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

Mayweather: World titles in 5 different weight classes, and undefeated with almost 40 fights. Still only 30 years old.

Hopkins: 2 and 2 in his last 4 fights. Beat Winky Wright similar to his victories over Trinidad and Delahoya, by fighting guys who are way outside their weight class. Don't forget that
Hopkins is now fighting at the weight class where he started his career. Jermain Taylor has a stronger claim to p4p status, imo.


1.) Floyd Mayweather Jr.

2.) Manny Pacquio

3.) Juan Manuel Marquez

4.) Jermain Taylor

5.) Bernard Hopkins

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I'm with ya on this one...

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How you all have Taylor ahead of Wright is a mystery..... When Wright in fact should have one his last fight against your number 5 p4p man.

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

Mayweather: World titles in 5 different weight classes, and undefeated with almost 40 fights. Still only 30 years old.

Hopkins: 2 and 2 in his last 4 fights. Beat Winky Wright similar to his victories over Trinidad and Delahoya, by fighting guys who are way outside their weight class. Don't forget that
Hopkins is now fighting at the weight class where he started his career. Jermain Taylor has a stronger claim to p4p status, imo.


1.) Floyd Mayweather Jr.

2.) Manny Pacquio

3.) Juan Manuel Marquez

4.) Jermain Taylor

5.) Bernard Hopkins

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I'm with ya on this one...

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How you all have Taylor ahead of Wright is a mystery..... When Wright in fact should have one his last fight against your number 5 p4p man.

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It was ruled a draw (even though many had Taylor by a round or two) and Wright was p4p # 2 or 3 depending on who you ask AFTER that fight.

Wright went on to lose to Hopkins who wasn't even considered p4p top 5 by ANYBODY after Taylor beat him twice.

Because Hopkins beat Wright, he is now on the edge of the top 5 and Wright is not. Taylor beat Hopkins twice and had a draw with p4p #3 guy, then went on and beat Spinks (#1 jr. middleweight according to Ring Magazine) and Ouma (not a world beater, but a solid fighter)




Hope this helps...........

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

Mayweather: World titles in 5 different weight classes, and undefeated with almost 40 fights. Still only 30 years old.

Hopkins: 2 and 2 in his last 4 fights. Beat Winky Wright similar to his victories over Trinidad and Delahoya, by fighting guys who are way outside their weight class. Don't forget that
Hopkins is now fighting at the weight class where he started his career. Jermain Taylor has a stronger claim to p4p status, imo.


1.) Floyd Mayweather Jr.

2.) Manny Pacquio

3.) Juan Manuel Marquez

4.) Jermain Taylor

5.) Bernard Hopkins

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I'm with ya on this one...

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How you all have Taylor ahead of Wright is a mystery..... When Wright in fact should have one his last fight against your number 5 p4p man.

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It was ruled a draw (even though many had Taylor by a round or two) and Wright was p4p # 2 or 3 depending on who you ask AFTER that fight.

Wright went on to lose to Hopkins who wasn't even considered p4p top 5 by ANYBODY after Taylor beat him twice.

Because Hopkins beat Wright, he is now on the edge of the top 5 and Wright is not. Taylor beat Hopkins twice and had a draw with p4p #3 guy, then went on and beat Spinks (#1 jr. middleweight according to Ring Magazine) and Ouma (not a world beater, but a solid fighter)




Hope this helps...........

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Okay. I didn't have Wright losing IMO to BHop or Taylor. So in my mind he has a very impressive resume with current or past p4p players.

Also Hopkins def. didn't lose to Taylor twice. That was pathetic scoring. LIke the Quartey-Forrest fight.......(which doesn't seem so awful know that Forrest has looked awesome in his comeback.)

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Mayweather has to go down as the boss...he's still undefeated.

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What about Joe Mesi... he's still undefeated.

That is a joke btw.

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Also Hopkins def. didn't lose to Taylor twice. That was pathetic scoring. LIke the Quartey-Forrest fight.......(which doesn't seem so awful know that Forrest has looked awesome in his comeback.)

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Well i wouldn't go that far but i had Hopkins losing the first fight 7 rounds to 5 i had him winning the rematch by a point but both men hardly done anything it was hard to tell who won anything.

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

Mayweather: World titles in 5 different weight classes, and undefeated with almost 40 fights. Still only 30 years old.

Hopkins: 2 and 2 in his last 4 fights. Beat Winky Wright similar to his victories over Trinidad and Delahoya, by fighting guys who are way outside their weight class. Don't forget that
Hopkins is now fighting at the weight class where he started his career. Jermain Taylor has a stronger claim to p4p status, imo.


1.) Floyd Mayweather Jr.

2.) Manny Pacquio

3.) Juan Manuel Marquez

4.) Jermain Taylor

5.) Bernard Hopkins

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JMM lost to Chris John so i fail to see why hes so high ??????? ??? ??? ??? ???