Enzo Maccarinelli V David Haye

OK so JimBoogie started an excellent thread which kicked off the mass debate ( ::**) about who would win, Enzo or Dave?

Both have their good and bad points and it seems that everyone sees different +/- in both guys.

So, vote on who you think would win and feel free to add a sentence or two as well as a CC for Jimboogie...

Personally I think Haye will edge this one his power as is immense but don't take nothing away from Enzo but Haye would win a UD points for me and i feel he could hurt Enzo.

With both of them very powerful hitters, I think it's inevitable that the corners will try and protect their fighters, and after his cool, calm boxing display against Braithewaite where he boxed consistently over 12 rounds, I'm picking Enzo to come out on top.

My backup reason for that is also the fact that Haye's only outing over 12 rounds was a dire fight against Ismail Abdoul, and the pace was much lower than Macca v Braithewaite, and I think he'd tire down the stretch, especially with his trouble making the cruiserweight limit.

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

With both of them very powerful hitters, I think it's inevitable that the corners will try and protect their fighters, and after his cool, calm boxing display against Braithewaite where he boxed consistently over 12 rounds, I'm picking Enzo to come out on top.

My backup reason for that is also the fact that Haye's only outing over 12 rounds was a dire fight against Ismail Abdoul, and the pace was much lower than Macca v Braithewaite, and I think he'd tire down the stretch, especially with his trouble making the cruiserweight limit.

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Agree, though Haye has the obvious chance of a KO, for me Macca outboxes him.

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

With both of them very powerful hitters, I think it's inevitable that the corners will try and protect their fighters, and after his cool, calm boxing display against Braithewaite where he boxed consistently over 12 rounds, I'm picking Enzo to come out on top.

My backup reason for that is also the fact that Haye's only outing over 12 rounds was a dire fight against Ismail Abdoul, and the pace was much lower than Macca v Braithewaite, and I think he'd tire down the stretch, especially with his trouble making the cruiserweight limit.

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Agree, though Haye has the obvious chance of a KO, for me Macca outboxes him.

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I don't get why haye has the obvious chance of scoring a kayo? they both have the power to knock eachother out, yeah enzo got knocked out when he was 17 big deal... haye has been put on his ass by less than average fighters in sparring

Enzo has just showed hecan outbox one of the biggest hitters around, a southpaw who cans witch to orthodox, and do it with a bad righthand

Honestly with enzo's work rate movment, and his tightend defense i see him stopping haye late on

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Originally Posted by Bomp

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

With both of them very powerful hitters, I think it's inevitable that the corners will try and protect their fighters, and after his cool, calm boxing display against Braithewaite where he boxed consistently over 12 rounds, I'm picking Enzo to come out on top.

My backup reason for that is also the fact that Haye's only outing over 12 rounds was a dire fight against Ismail Abdoul, and the pace was much lower than Macca v Braithewaite, and I think he'd tire down the stretch, especially with his trouble making the cruiserweight limit.

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Agree, though Haye has the obvious chance of a KO, for me Macca outboxes him.

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I don't get why haye has the obvious chance of scoring a kayo? they both have the power to knock eachother out, yeah enzo got knocked out when he was 17 big deal... haye has been put on his a** by less than average fighters in sparring

Enzo has just showed hecan outbox one of the biggest hitters around, a southpaw who cans witch to orthodox, and do it with a bad righthand

Honestly with enzo's work rate movment, and his tightend defense i see him stopping haye late on

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I'm referring to Haye's power than Enzo's chin. If I were to put money on the fight I'd pick Enzo to win by late stoppage, but Haye has that chance if Enzo gets careless.

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

With both of them very powerful hitters, I think it's inevitable that the corners will try and protect their fighters, and after his cool, calm boxing display against Braithewaite where he boxed consistently over 12 rounds, I'm picking Enzo to come out on top.

My backup reason for that is also the fact that Haye's only outing over 12 rounds was a dire fight against Ismail Abdoul, and the pace was much lower than Macca v Braithewaite, and I think he'd tire down the stretch, especially with his trouble making the cruiserweight limit.

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Agree, though Haye has the obvious chance of a KO, for me Macca outboxes him.

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I don't get why haye has the obvious chance of scoring a kayo? they both have the power to knock eachother out, yeah enzo got knocked out when he was 17 big deal... haye has been put on his a** by less than average fighters in sparring

Enzo has just showed hecan outbox one of the biggest hitters around, a southpaw who cans witch to orthodox, and do it with a bad righthand

Honestly with enzo's work rate movment, and his tightend defense i see him stopping haye late on

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I'm referring to Haye's power than Enzo's chin. If I were to put money on the fight I'd pick Enzo to win by late stoppage, but Haye has that chance if Enzo gets careless.

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I think they both have a chance of a KO down the stretch, and if one fighter decides to go for it then it could be, but I reckon one will outscore the other, and going into round 11 Haye will need a KO...and that's when it gets interesting.

The fight would never make it to the late rounds.

Haye knows he wouldn't even have to land one of his best shots to knock Enzo spark out. All he'd have to be wary of is Enzo getting him first.

Enzo seemed a little intimidated by Hobson. So funk knows what he'd be like with Haye firing bomb's at him.

Haye KO 1-3.

Enzo's moved on a lot since the first Hobson fight IMO. Big truck was a bigger hitter than Hobson and he couldn't intimidate Enzo. This fight really really should be made, it's the fans that bloody miss out.

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Originally Posted by Bomp

Enzo's moved on a lot since the first Hobson fight IMO. Big truck was a bigger hitter than Hobson and he couldn't intimidate Enzo. This fight really really should be made, it's the fans that bloody miss out.

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I thought Enzo was very good against Braithwaite. But I also thought Braithwaite was disappointing. And to be fair that's not surprising seeing as he came back from retirement.

And it wasn't just age Enzo had over Braithwaite he looked to hold all the physical advantages. He wont have that against Haye.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

The fight would never make it to the late rounds.

Haye know's he wouldn't even have to land one of his best shots to knock Enzo spark out. All he'd have to be wary of is Enzo getting him first.

Enzo seemed a little intimidated by Hobson. So funk knows what he'd be like with Haye firing bomb's at him.

Haye KO 1-3.

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As Bomp said....I reckon Enzo has come on a lot since the first Hobson fight, where you have to remember that Hobson came in at fairly late notice, and is a very different proposition to the Johnny Nelson that he thought he was going to fight.

I can't see Haye really being able to KO Maccarinelli early doors.
As for physical advantages, I think the one he will have is not having to squeeze down to the weight limit, as Haye will have to do, and will struggle enouhgh to do it for the Mormeck fight.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

The fight would never make it to the late rounds.

Haye knows he wouldn't even have to land one of his best shots to knock Enzo spark out. All he'd have to be wary of is Enzo getting him first.

Enzo seemed a little intimidated by Hobson. So funk knows what he'd be like with Haye firing bomb's at him.

Haye KO 1-3.

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As Bomp said....I reckon Enzo has come on a lot since the first Hobson fight, where you have to remember that Hobson came in at fairly late notice, and is a very different proposition to the Johnny Nelson that he thought he was going to fight.

I can't see Haye really being able to KO Maccarinelli early doors.
As for physical advantages, I think the one he will have is not having to squeeze down to the weight limit, as Haye will have to do, and will struggle enouhgh to do it for the Mormeck fight.

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True about the weight. But seeing as Haye will only need a few minutes it shouldn't be noo bother. ;)


As it goes Enzo-Haye will probably happen once they get to the Danny, Audley, Skelton stage ::**

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The fight would never make it to the late rounds.

Haye knows he wouldn't even have to land one of his best shots to knock Enzo spark out. All he'd have to be wary of is Enzo getting him first.

Enzo seemed a little intimidated by Hobson. So funk knows what he'd be like with Haye firing bomb's at him.

Haye KO 1-3.

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As Bomp said....I reckon Enzo has come on a lot since the first Hobson fight, where you have to remember that Hobson came in at fairly late notice, and is a very different proposition to the Johnny Nelson that he thought he was going to fight.

I can't see Haye really being able to KO Maccarinelli early doors.
As for physical advantages, I think the one he will have is not having to squeeze down to the weight limit, as Haye will have to do, and will struggle enouhgh to do it for the Mormeck fight.

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True about the weight. But seeing as Haye will only need a few minutes it shouldn't be noo bother. ;)


As it goes Enzo-Haye will probably happen once they get to the Danny, Audley, Skelton stage ::**

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I really think that when they're both nearing 40...that Enzo will win their fifth meeting to get a shot at the heavyweight title....or so FW promises.....

Enzo has the better stamina not much difference in chin department i can't really say i think it just comes down to who lands the big punch first.

I picked all 5 responses because I could :P

But my real pick is Haye KO 4-5 rounds. I think their skill sets are quite similar
but Haye is a little more agressive, and a little harder hitting
This would be a great match-up though, definately be entertaining
for casual boxing fans as well.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

I picked all 5 responses because I could :P

But my real pick is Haye KO 4-5 rounds. I think their skill sets are quite similar
but Haye is a little more agressive, and a little harder hitting
This would be a great match-up though, definately be entertaining
for casual boxing fans as well.

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The sad thing is that Haye has already said that it won't happen, because he's only coming down to Cruiser one more time to fight (beat) Mormeck.

Enzo would outwork and stop him, i hope it happens though.

I've only seen ENzo a few times and from what I've seen of Haye,he has awesome power but poor stamina. I also think in Braithwaite(and a few others),Enzo has faced better fighters I was hugely impressed by his showing v Braithwaite! I'd favour Enzo. I also think Haye's chin is questionable so yep,Enzo via stoppage.

i think haye would win by ko

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Originally Posted by killersheep

I picked all 5 responses because I could :P

But my real pick is Haye KO 4-5 rounds. I think their skill sets are quite similar
but Haye is a little more agressive, and a little harder hitting
This would be a great match-up though, definately be entertaining
for casual boxing fans as well.

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The sad thing is that Haye has already said that it won't happen, because he's only coming down to Cruiser one more time to fight (beat) Mormeck.

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before the braithwaite fight hobson and haye wer eon abut making a few defences, post braithwaite "i will be moving up after mormeck"

I picked all 5 because I could (like Killersheep) ;D
But seriously I'd go for Macca on points
Haye will keep it close though
I'd rather see either of them (preferebly Haye) against Mormeck

i honeslty dont think haye will get through mormeck tbh.... haye wont like it when he is slipping his jabs and in his face early on. they will both tire but by the time that happens i think mormeck would of built up enough lead to take it out on the points

If haye doesnt win i think he should go back to heavyweight and try his best for a title there. the opposition is a lot easier than cruiser for sure.

I think Haye lays him out

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

I think Haye lays him out

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why though? Haye has power but no heart and no stamina

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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

I think Haye lays him out

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why though? Haye has power but no heart and no stamina

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I don't think Haye has much heart either, but he has the better chin and the bigger punch.

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I think Haye lays him out

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why though? Haye has power but no heart and no stamina

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He's definitely got heart, Fragomeni busted him up real bad and he came through to knock him out. His loss to Thompson he was a baby 23 years old and only his 11th fight.

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I think Haye lays him out

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why though? Haye has power but no heart and no stamina

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No heart ans stamina??

Wheres your evidence of this a fight that nearly happened 4 years ago?? Come on, Haye against Frogemmini proved he has heart and his stamina was fine imo, when this fight was mentioned around about 18 months ago i said enzo tko late on, but not now, Haye is to sharp for Enzo. Everyone goes on about Enzo's boxing skills against Braithwaite who lets be honest was fucking awful, and didnt actully through much to trouble Enzo with, Haye is quick and sharp, Enzo is not, i think Haye has improved areas like stamina a hell of alot, Haye takes Enzo out within 5 rounds for my money.

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I think Haye lays him out

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why though? Haye has power but no heart and no stamina

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He's definitely got heart, Fragomeni busted him up real bad and he came through to knock him out. His loss to Thompson he was a baby 23 years old and only his 11th fight.

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Okay...so he's got heart and stamina, but a guard that can let a third-rate Italian regional fighter bust his face up?

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I think Haye lays him out

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why though? Haye has power but no heart and no stamina

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No heart ans stamina??

Wheres your evidence of this a fight that nearly happened 4 years ago?? Come on, Haye against Frogemmini proved he has heart and his stamina was fine imo, when this fight was mentioned around about 18 months ago i said enzo tko late on, but not now, Haye is to sharp for Enzo. Everyone goes on about Enzo's boxing skills against Braithwaite who lets be honest was F****** awful, and didnt actully through much to trouble Enzo with, Haye is quick and sharp, Enzo is not, i think Haye has improved areas like stamina a hell of alot, Haye takes Enzo out within 5 rounds for my money.

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Ill be honest i was a bit drunk when i made that post. I know he has heart but the stamina is the issue for haye. I just can see him being outworked by enzo and because someone like fragemmini got his punches in i feel that enzo will do that but he willl do it worth more power and more sting and stop him. But this is were we can see his heart at his best because enzo will be throwing more that haye. but if haye catches him i think that would change everything. I just think enzo is just a busier fighter and will open haye up and stop him.

i acctually do apoligse for saying he has no heart, that was the beer talking. ;D

I can't split them to be honest and Enzo Calzaghe has got Mac fighting on a different level imo,a year ago i'd have chosen Haye but now it's too close to call.
No way it goes past a few rounds as both will throw bombs early and have serious power.
Shame it'll never happen :(