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well if i had to make a list of the greats fighters of all time it would be
1 Sugar Ray Robinson
2 Henry Armstrong
3 Willie Pep
4 Muhammad Ali
5 Benny Leonard
6 Robert Duran
7 Rocky Marciano
8 Jack Johnson
9 Harry Grebe
10 Gene Tunney
well that just my list i like to hear what other people have to say about their list
come on no one eles has a list i know people here love making lists
thinking about a list there boom seen you looking at this list for a while
Ray Robinson-won 173 (KO 108) + lost 19 (KO 1) + drawn, pound for pound greastest, was a 5 time middle weight champion and never lost a rematch till he was in his 40's also only lost once in his prime to jake also giving away 12 pounds but did avenge it
Henry Armstrong-won 149 (KO 101) + lost 21 (KO 2) + drawn 10 was a champion in featherweight,lightweight,and welterwight division and had one the best careers of all time will be remembered for ever
that list is a carbon copy of all the other "lists" that I've seen historians make..and the biased opinions for the old era fighter will never change..
SRR is the all greatest....and I say prime RJJ would beat any man that ever boxed under heavyweight..all them get beat if not stopped then UD or lopsided UD..but nevertheless he'd beat them all....
I'd even go so far as the say the smallish heavy's would also be beaten...
Willie Pep-won 229 (KO 65) + lost 11 (KO 6) + drawn 1 He was a 2 time World featherweight champion and one of the biggest winners in boxing history with 229 wins his record is a feat of its own and he even fought 70 fights and still won 90% and there is also a round in which without throwing a punch he was still able to win the round his defense was that good
i havent seen a list like mine yet the only ones that i seen that are the same is 1 SRR 2 Armstrong 3 Pep but those ones i found to be correct the others are just a toss up so why dont you make a list and don't bag on mine my friend
Muhammad Ali- won 56 (KO 37) + lost 5 (KO 1) Was a 3 time heavyweight champion notable wins Patterson,Liston,Frazier,Nortan and Foreman beat all those guys when past his prime missed out in his later twenties which were probably prime years that he missed out on
Benny Leonard-won 183 (KO 70) + lost 18 (KO 4) + drawn 12 Was lightweight champion is consider the 2nd best lightweight champion by ring magazine last fight was in 1932 were he was knocked out and retired but was way past it
Robert Duran-won 103 (KO 70) + lost 16 (KO 4) + drawn 0 Was the lightweight champion in the 70's welterweight champion lightmiddleweight champion and later in the 80's a middleweight champion was a fighter that will never be forgotten
Rocky Marciano-won 49 (KO 43) + lost 0 (KO 0) + drawn 0 Was the only undeafeted heavywieght champion ever and that alone gives him a spot, he may have had a featherweight reach but had hands of stone and heart of a bull
Jack Johnson-won 92 (KO 51) + lost 14 (KO 7) + drawn 11 Was the first black champion was also was a boxer who's technique and boxing style was ahead of his time especially his defence he later died of a automobile accident
Harry Greb-won 260 (KO 48) + lost 21 (KO 2) + drawn 17 Was a Middleweight champion and Lightheavyweight champion was one of the greats fighters of all time was still able to fight well even though he went blind in one of his eyes
Gene Tunney-won 82 (KO 48) + lost 1 (KO 0) + drawn 3 Was a Lightheavyweight champion and Heavyweight champion was the first fighter of the year for ring magazine in 1928 he only had one loss which he avenged twice and had two wins over Dempsey and retired champion at 31
And those are my ten hope you enjoyed my post and now i am going to bed good night
What round was it, and against whom?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Willie pep didint win a round without throwing a punch thats BS... he won the round on counters i had some evidence of this but i just cant remeber where..if i find ill post it. I wont post a top 10
But the number 1 for me...is Willow the Wisp... I mean how can you be the only survivor in a plane crash suffering some serius injurys then come back and pretty much dominate your division..
as far as achievment goes thats pretty good
There would be a fair argument for having Jimmy Wilde and Joe Gans in there as well somewhere?
easily..Quote:
Originally Posted by X
I just don't like these lists full stop. I like reading what people think, but imo its impossible to generate an acurate all time p4p list period. i mean you could make a case for RJJ being top ten all time... he combined speed, power reflexes and movment as good as anyone, most will all agree he was untouchable in his prime...
Everytime i have ever tried to get an all time p4p list to post in threads like these i find my self arguing with my self in my head and end up giving up before i have any names down lol
It is extremely har to make a P4P list that satisfies everyone. Add to that an All Time Greats P4P list and the challenge becomes unmesurable. CC for giving it a shot. I think it is al lot easier to make All Time Great lists by weight class. But then it is hard to place people like Harry Greb, Henry Armstrong, Sam Langford, ect.