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Pacman training update:his sparring partners.
He is going to be sparring with Urbano Antillion(19-0,12kos), and Jose Armando Santa Cruz. Both are former Valero sparring partners and Antillion in particular will push Manny hard. Roach also saud that they are slowly getting rid of all distractions and that Manny is beginning to look awesome in training again.His heart seems set on KTFO MAB. I gathered this info from various articles.
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Got any information on the styles of the two sparring partners? Are they similar to Barrera.
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CC back Tam. Sorry,there were other sparing partners too but those are the ones I could remember. Urbano is supposed to be a decent all round fighter and Armando Cruz is a come forward pressure fighter so no,I don't think either are similar to MAB but they will give Manny tough tough rounds which is what he needs. I think he'll be able to figure out MAB's style,he did pretty well last time out ;D
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i think i might be crazy or maybe coz its down to barrera being my all time fac fighter, but i honeslty believe marco is gunna beat him, plan on putting my savings on barrera winning this if the odds are good
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i think i might be crazy or maybe coz its down to barrera being my all time fac fighter, but i honeslty believe marco is gunna beat him, plan on putting my savings on barrera winning this if the odds are good
I feel the same. We might be forced to eat our words though.
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I hear Roach saying Manny is on top form,and I'll take his word. He is an excellent coach,and a 100% Manny beats MAB for me. In fact,if he is 100%,I'll super super confident he will KTFO MAB. Any of you guys care for a SIG bet?
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I hear Roach saying Manny is on top form,and I'll take his word. He is an excellent coach,and a 100% Manny beats MAB for me. In fact,if he is 100%,I'll super super confident he will KTFO MAB. Any of you guys care for a SIG bet?
yeah fuck aye - will av to tell em wtf it is tho lol
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I hear Roach saying Manny is on top form,and I'll take his word. He is an excellent coach,and a 100% Manny beats MAB for me. In fact,if he is 100%,I'll super super confident he will KTFO MAB. Any of you guys care for a SIG bet?
Im down for a bet aswell
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Ok,when the fight draws nearer,I'll PM what you have to have written. :D Manny beter fucking be training otherwise my ass is going to get owned BIGTIME!
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Ok,when the fight draws nearer,I'll PM what you have to have written. :D Manny beter F****** be training otherwise my a** is going to get owned BIGTIME!
no probs...
Thing with barrera is he is a bit of a holyfield, he has done so much that it takes sumin liek this to give him a reason to put it on one last time... ever since the last morales fight he has been cruising, no he is going in the ring with a guy who beat him, i hope/believe he will be going in with hunger for a change
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Ok,when the fight draws nearer,I'll PM what you have to have written. :D Manny beter F****** be training otherwise my a** is going to get owned BIGTIME!
I'll probably regret this but Yeh bring it.
Come on Barrera
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i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
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Manny's 2 Mexican sparring partners will be arriving in Manila, Sunday (Phil time).
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Originally Posted by Preme
i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
If he beats Pac, then he will be the greatest. EM already accomplished that.
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Originally Posted by Preme
i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
That's quite ridiculous,no offence but there is NO WAY in hell that MAB is the greatest Mexican ever,there is not even a case for it. That title belongs to JCC or Sal Sanchez. Morales resume is on par with MAB's if not better too.
I've also read Manny weighs 136 pouds and will be sparring 130-150 rounds¬?¬?¬?!?!?!
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Preme
i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
That's quite ridiculous,no offence but there is NO WAY in hell that MAB is the greatest Mexican ever,there is not even a case for it. That title belongs to JCC or Sal Sanchez. Morales resume is on par with MAB's if not better too.
I've also read Manny weighs 136 pouds and will be sparring 130-150 rounds¬?¬?¬?!?!?!
how can a guy who barrera beat 2-1 in this prime be better than him?
barrera started long before morles, and was the brawler long befor people said morales was... is older yet morales became shot before barrera...
sure JCC was a warrior... but i could be wrong but im pretty sure barrera has been in fights with more p4p fighters than JCC, beaten more p4p fighters than jcc... marco is pushing on 70 pro fights, in this day that is fucking is crazy, 70 fights and still fighiting the best about and doing damn well to...
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Preme
i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
That's quite ridiculous,no offence but there is NO WAY in hell that MAB is the greatest Mexican ever,there is not even a case for it. That title belongs to JCC or Sal Sanchez. Morales resume is on par with MAB's if not better too.
I've also read Manny weighs 136 pouds and will be sparring 130-150 rounds¬?¬?¬?!?!?!
how can a guy who barrera beat 2-1 in this prime be better than him?
barrera started long before morles, and was the brawler long befor people said morales was... is older yet morales became shot before barrera...
sure JCC was a warrior... but i could be wrong but im pretty sure barrera has been in fights with more p4p fighters than JCC, beaten more p4p fighters than jcc... marco is pushing on 70 pro fights, in this day that is F****** is crazy, 70 fights and still fighiting the best about and doing damn well to...
This thread shouldn't turn into a Barrera vs. Morales debate. Both are legendary warriors. That being said...Barrera was able to adapt and extend his career...while Eric's inability to do so wore him down quicker. Not sure where i rate Marco all time on Mexico's greatest fighters list...but if he beats Pac...he is in the top 3.
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CC back Tam. Sorry,there were other sparing partners too but those are the ones I could remember. Urbano is supposed to be a decent all round fighter and Armando Cruz is a come forward pressure fighter so no,I don't think either are similar to MAB but they will give Manny tough tough rounds which is what he needs. I think he'll be able to figure out MAB's style,he did pretty well last time out ;D
yer they sparring partners sound pretty much okay. im hoping mab can have one last horahh and can push manny to the button but im thinking a manny pac UD here
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hey I want in on the sig bet ;D
pacman knocks out marco under 6 ;)
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Preme
i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
That's quite ridiculous,no offence but there is NO WAY in hell that MAB is the greatest Mexican ever,there is not even a case for it. That title belongs to JCC or Sal Sanchez. Morales resume is on par with MAB's if not better too.
I've also read Manny weighs 136 pouds and will be sparring 130-150 rounds¬?¬?¬?!?!?!
how can a guy who barrera beat 2-1 in this prime be better than him?
barrera started long before morles, and was the brawler long befor people said morales was... is older yet morales became shot before barrera...
sure JCC was a warrior... but i could be wrong but im pretty sure barrera has been in fights with more p4p fighters than JCC, beaten more p4p fighters than jcc... marco is pushing on 70 pro fights, in this day that is fucking is crazy, 70 fights and still fighiting the best about and doing damn well to...
although i'm a big morales fan as is el gamo, i think morales is at par with barrera and the 3 fights they had could have swung either way. morales got considered shot pretty fast after 2 consecutive fights with the pacman at 130lbs. he sure as hell did quite well in his last fight at lightweight which in my opinion he won even if he did fade in the last couple of rounds. i think erik can still continue fighting at lightweight if only he would maintain his weight close to the 135lbs lightweight limit and not balloon up to 170lbs in between fights. even at 135lbs i think losing so much weight takes it's toll on the body. erik might be on the slide but i honestly don't think he's shot.
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there will be a KO either really early in the fight or near the end. for pac
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Preme
i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
That's quite ridiculous,no offence but there is NO WAY in hell that MAB is the greatest Mexican ever,there is not even a case for it. That title belongs to JCC or Sal Sanchez. Morales resume is on par with MAB's if not better too.
I've also read Manny weighs 136 pouds and will be sparring 130-150 rounds¬?¬?¬?!?!?!
how can a guy who barrera beat 2-1 in this prime be better than him?
barrera started long before morles, and was the brawler long befor people said morales was... is older yet morales became shot before barrera...
sure JCC was a warrior... but i could be wrong but im pretty sure barrera has been in fights with more p4p fighters than JCC, beaten more p4p fighters than jcc... marco is pushing on 70 pro fights, in this day that is F****** is crazy, 70 fights and still fighiting the best about and doing damn well to...
although i'm a big morales fan as is el gamo, i think morales is at par with barrera and the 3 fights they had could have swung either way. morales got considered shot pretty fast after 2 consecutive fights with the pacman at 130lbs. he sure as hell did quite well in his last fight at lightweight which in my opinion he won even if he did fade in the last couple of rounds. i think erik can still continue fighting at lightweight if only he would maintain his weight close to the 135lbs lightweight limit and not balloon up to 170lbs in between fights. even at 135lbs i think losing so much weight takes it's toll on the body. erik might be on the slide but i honestly don't think he's shot.
I think he is natural gordo.
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I'm going with Barrera in this one I think he boxes circles around Pac this time. Too much on the line for him not to come through. I'm with Preme if the odds are good enough I'm going with Barrera for one last hoorah!
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Preme
i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
That's quite ridiculous,no offence but there is NO WAY in hell that MAB is the greatest Mexican ever,there is not even a case for it. That title belongs to JCC or Sal Sanchez. Morales resume is on par with MAB's if not better too.
I've also read Manny weighs 136 pouds and will be sparring 130-150 rounds¬?¬?¬?!?!?!
how can a guy who barrera beat 2-1 in this prime be better than him?
barrera started long before morles, and was the brawler long befor people said morales was... is older yet morales became shot before barrera...
sure JCC was a warrior... but i could be wrong but im pretty sure barrera has been in fights with more p4p fighters than JCC, beaten more p4p fighters than jcc... marco is pushing on 70 pro fights, in this day that is F****** is crazy, 70 fights and still fighiting the best about and doing damn well to...
I agree with you Preme . Barrera is obviously better than Morales and i'd put him above Chavez too cuz Barrera can box aswel as brawl . Chavez was just very good at the style he had . Barrera too can retire on top when he beats Manny . Chavez lost too many fights to bums.
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Originally Posted by KKisser
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Preme
i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
That's quite ridiculous,no offence but there is NO WAY in hell that MAB is the greatest Mexican ever,there is not even a case for it. That title belongs to JCC or Sal Sanchez. Morales resume is on par with MAB's if not better too.
I've also read Manny weighs 136 pouds and will be sparring 130-150 rounds¬?¬?¬?!?!?!
how can a guy who barrera beat 2-1 in this prime be better than him?
barrera started long before morles, and was the brawler long befor people said morales was... is older yet morales became shot before barrera...
sure JCC was a warrior... but i could be wrong but im pretty sure barrera has been in fights with more p4p fighters than JCC, beaten more p4p fighters than jcc... marco is pushing on 70 pro fights, in this day that is fucking is crazy, 70 fights and still fighiting the best about and doing damn well to...
although i'm a big morales fan as is el gamo, i think morales is at par with barrera and the 3 fights they had could have swung either way. morales got considered shot pretty fast after 2 consecutive fights with the pacman at 130lbs. he sure as hell did quite well in his last fight at lightweight which in my opinion he won even if he did fade in the last couple of rounds. i think erik can still continue fighting at lightweight if only he would maintain his weight close to the 135lbs lightweight limit and not balloon up to 170lbs in between fights. even at 135lbs i think losing so much weight takes it's toll on the body. erik might be on the slide but i honestly don't think he's shot.
Preme,to say MAB has beat better names than JCC is ridiculous and you talk about longevity,JCC had way more. Morales has beaten Jones,MAB,Pac,In Jin Chi,an unbeaten Ayala,Hernandez,Espades,Chavez,Macollugh and Zaragoza.
Those are some great names. MAB has beaten Morales,Nas,Ayala(after Morales),Kelly(after Morales)Mckinney and Sanchez.
I know whos' resume looks better to me..Pretty easy if you know boxing..
As for how why Morales got shot quicker,he fought and warred with better fighters and he was weight drained for a lot of his last fights. MAB has been fighting longer,Morales has beaten far better fighters.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Preme
i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
That's quite ridiculous,no offence but there is NO WAY in hell that MAB is the greatest Mexican ever,there is not even a case for it. That title belongs to JCC or Sal Sanchez. Morales resume is on par with MAB's if not better too.
I've also read Manny weighs 136 pouds and will be sparring 130-150 rounds¬?¬?¬?!?!?!
how can a guy who barrera beat 2-1 in this prime be better than him?
barrera started long before morles, and was the brawler long befor people said morales was... is older yet morales became shot before barrera...
sure JCC was a warrior... but i could be wrong but im pretty sure barrera has been in fights with more p4p fighters than JCC, beaten more p4p fighters than jcc... marco is pushing on 70 pro fights, in this day that is F****** is crazy, 70 fights and still fighiting the best about and doing damn well to...
I agree with you Preme . Barrera is obviously better than Morales and i'd put him above Chavez too cuz Barrera can box aswel as brawl . Chavez was just very good at the style he had . Barrera too can retire on top when he beats Manny . Chavez lost too many fights to bums.
I agree that Barrera is better than Morales. Against each other Barrera came out on top.
When it comes to quality of opposition it becomes more debatable. If Barrera can beat Pac then there is much less room for argument.
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ium going for barerra. sig bets welcome!
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by KKisser
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Preme
i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
That's quite ridiculous,no offence but there is NO WAY in hell that MAB is the greatest Mexican ever,there is not even a case for it. That title belongs to JCC or Sal Sanchez. Morales resume is on par with MAB's if not better too.
I've also read Manny weighs 136 pouds and will be sparring 130-150 rounds¬?¬?¬?!?!?!
how can a guy who barrera beat 2-1 in this prime be better than him?
barrera started long before morles, and was the brawler long befor people said morales was... is older yet morales became shot before barrera...
sure JCC was a warrior... but i could be wrong but im pretty sure barrera has been in fights with more p4p fighters than JCC, beaten more p4p fighters than jcc... marco is pushing on 70 pro fights, in this day that is F****** is crazy, 70 fights and still fighiting the best about and doing damn well to...
although i'm a big morales fan as is el gamo, i think morales is at par with barrera and the 3 fights they had could have swung either way. morales got considered shot pretty fast after 2 consecutive fights with the pacman at 130lbs. he sure as hell did quite well in his last fight at lightweight which in my opinion he won even if he did fade in the last couple of rounds. i think erik can still continue fighting at lightweight if only he would maintain his weight close to the 135lbs lightweight limit and not balloon up to 170lbs in between fights. even at 135lbs i think losing so much weight takes it's toll on the body. erik might be on the slide but i honestly don't think he's shot.
Preme,to say MAB has beat better names than JCC is ridiculous and you talk about longevity,JCC had way more. Morales has beaten Jones,MAB,Pac,In Jin Chi,an unbeaten Ayala,Hernandez,Espades,Chavez,Macollugh and Zaragoza.
Those are some great names. MAB has beaten Morales,Nas,Ayala(after Morales),Kelly(after Morales)Mckinney and Sanchez.
I know whos' resume looks better to me..Pretty easy if you know boxing..
As for how why Morales got shot quicker,he fought and warred with better fighters and he was weight drained for a lot of his last fights. MAB has been fighting longer,Morales has beaten far better fighters.
The reason Morales has faded quicker than Marco isn't because he warred with BETTER fighters...it is because all he did was war instead of adapting his style. I love Morales as a fighter...a true warrior...but he wasn't the smartest fighter. His pride and unwillingness to change his fighting style cost him. The sad thing is that Eric is a great technical boxer...but he was to easily lured into a brawl. A perfect example of this is his three fights with Marco. He had a reach advantage against Barrera...but he rarely used it (jab, etc.). Marco got in his head and made him exchange up close rather than control the fights using his other skills. This of course made for 3 incredible and close fights...but it showed who the smarter and better all around fighter was. Barrera has extended his career because he can box, brawl, and use his head to fight tactical fights and adapt. I think their resumes are pretty even...but if Barrera can pull the upset against Pac...he should be considered as a good a Mexican fighter that has ever laced them up.
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Originally Posted by zhubin
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by KKisser
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Preme
i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
That's quite ridiculous,no offence but there is NO WAY in hell that MAB is the greatest Mexican ever,there is not even a case for it. That title belongs to JCC or Sal Sanchez. Morales resume is on par with MAB's if not better too.
I've also read Manny weighs 136 pouds and will be sparring 130-150 rounds¬?¬?¬?!?!?!
how can a guy who barrera beat 2-1 in this prime be better than him?
barrera started long before morles, and was the brawler long befor people said morales was... is older yet morales became shot before barrera...
sure JCC was a warrior... but i could be wrong but im pretty sure barrera has been in fights with more p4p fighters than JCC, beaten more p4p fighters than jcc... marco is pushing on 70 pro fights, in this day that is F****** is crazy, 70 fights and still fighiting the best about and doing damn well to...
although i'm a big morales fan as is el gamo, i think morales is at par with barrera and the 3 fights they had could have swung either way. morales got considered shot pretty fast after 2 consecutive fights with the pacman at 130lbs. he sure as hell did quite well in his last fight at lightweight which in my opinion he won even if he did fade in the last couple of rounds. i think erik can still continue fighting at lightweight if only he would maintain his weight close to the 135lbs lightweight limit and not balloon up to 170lbs in between fights. even at 135lbs i think losing so much weight takes it's toll on the body. erik might be on the slide but i honestly don't think he's shot.
Preme,to say MAB has beat better names than JCC is ridiculous and you talk about longevity,JCC had way more. Morales has beaten Jones,MAB,Pac,In Jin Chi,an unbeaten Ayala,Hernandez,Espades,Chavez,Macollugh and Zaragoza.
Those are some great names. MAB has beaten Morales,Nas,Ayala(after Morales),Kelly(after Morales)Mckinney and Sanchez.
I know whos' resume looks better to me..Pretty easy if you know boxing..
As for how why Morales got shot quicker,he fought and warred with better fighters and he was weight drained for a lot of his last fights. MAB has been fighting longer,Morales has beaten far better fighters.
The reason Morales has faded quicker than Marco isn't because he warred with BETTER fighters...it is because all he did was war instead of adapting his style. I love Morales as a fighter...a true warrior...but he wasn't the smartest fighter. His pride and unwillingness to change his fighting style cost him. The sad thing is that Eric is a great technical boxer...but he was to easily lured into a brawl. A perfect example of this is his three fights with Marco. He had a reach advantage against Barrera...but he rarely used it (jab, etc.). Marco got in his head and made him exchange up close rather than control the fights using his other skills. This of course made for 3 incredible and close fights...but it showed who the smarter and better all around fighter was. Barrera has extended his career because he can box, brawl, and use his head to fight tactical fights and adapt. I think their resumes are pretty even...but if Barrera can pull the upset against Pac...he should be considered as a
good a Mexican fighter that has ever laced them up.
Just a "good" Mexican fighter? I think he would be more than that. If he beats Pac in rematch, he would be in between "good" and "great". But if he beats Pac again on their 3rd match-up (trilogy), then I would sh1t brick and consider him as great.
That's the way I see it.
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by zhubin
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by KKisser
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Preme
i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
That's quite ridiculous,no offence but there is NO WAY in hell that MAB is the greatest Mexican ever,there is not even a case for it. That title belongs to JCC or Sal Sanchez. Morales resume is on par with MAB's if not better too.
I've also read Manny weighs 136 pouds and will be sparring 130-150 rounds¬?¬?¬?!?!?!
how can a guy who barrera beat 2-1 in this prime be better than him?
barrera started long before morles, and was the brawler long befor people said morales was... is older yet morales became shot before barrera...
sure JCC was a warrior... but i could be wrong but im pretty sure barrera has been in fights with more p4p fighters than JCC, beaten more p4p fighters than jcc... marco is pushing on 70 pro fights, in this day that is F****** is crazy, 70 fights and still fighiting the best about and doing damn well to...
although i'm a big morales fan as is el gamo, i think morales is at par with barrera and the 3 fights they had could have swung either way. morales got considered shot pretty fast after 2 consecutive fights with the pacman at 130lbs. he sure as hell did quite well in his last fight at lightweight which in my opinion he won even if he did fade in the last couple of rounds. i think erik can still continue fighting at lightweight if only he would maintain his weight close to the 135lbs lightweight limit and not balloon up to 170lbs in between fights. even at 135lbs i think losing so much weight takes it's toll on the body. erik might be on the slide but i honestly don't think he's shot.
Preme,to say MAB has beat better names than JCC is ridiculous and you talk about longevity,JCC had way more. Morales has beaten Jones,MAB,Pac,In Jin Chi,an unbeaten Ayala,Hernandez,Espades,Chavez,Macollugh and Zaragoza.
Those are some great names. MAB has beaten Morales,Nas,Ayala(after Morales),Kelly(after Morales)Mckinney and Sanchez.
I know whos' resume looks better to me..Pretty easy if you know boxing..
As for how why Morales got shot quicker,he fought and warred with better fighters and he was weight drained for a lot of his last fights. MAB has been fighting longer,Morales has beaten far better fighters.
The reason Morales has faded quicker than Marco isn't because he warred with BETTER fighters...it is because all he did was war instead of adapting his style. I love Morales as a fighter...a true warrior...but he wasn't the smartest fighter. His pride and unwillingness to change his fighting style cost him. The sad thing is that Eric is a great technical boxer...but he was to easily lured into a brawl. A perfect example of this is his three fights with Marco. He had a reach advantage against Barrera...but he rarely used it (jab, etc.). Marco got in his head and made him exchange up close rather than control the fights using his other skills. This of course made for 3 incredible and close fights...but it showed who the smarter and better all around fighter was. Barrera has extended his career because he can box, brawl, and use his head to fight tactical fights and adapt. I think their resumes are pretty even...but if Barrera can pull the upset against Pac...he should be considered as a
good a Mexican fighter that has ever laced them up.
Just a "good" Mexican fighter? I think he would be more than that. If he beats Pac in rematch, he would be in between "good" and "great". But if he beats Pac again on their 3rd match-up (trilogy), then I would sh1t brick and consider him as great.
That's the way I see it.
You misunderstood what i was trying to say...."as good as any" was meant to imply that his name will be up there with anyone considered the greatest from Mexico. You are an idiot to think that he needs to beat Pac to be considered "good" and "great". He is already a legend.
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i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
That's quite ridiculous,no offence but there is NO WAY in hell that MAB is the greatest Mexican ever,there is not even a case for it. That title belongs to JCC or Sal Sanchez. Morales resume is on par with MAB's if not better too.
I've also read Manny weighs 136 pouds and will be sparring 130-150 rounds¬?¬?¬?!?!?!
how can a guy who barrera beat 2-1 in this prime be better than him?
barrera started long before morles, and was the brawler long befor people said morales was... is older yet morales became shot before barrera...
sure JCC was a warrior... but i could be wrong but im pretty sure barrera has been in fights with more p4p fighters than JCC, beaten more p4p fighters than jcc... marco is pushing on 70 pro fights, in this day that is F****** is crazy, 70 fights and still fighiting the best about and doing damn well to...
although i'm a big morales fan as is el gamo, i think morales is at par with barrera and the 3 fights they had could have swung either way. morales got considered shot pretty fast after 2 consecutive fights with the pacman at 130lbs. he sure as hell did quite well in his last fight at lightweight which in my opinion he won even if he did fade in the last couple of rounds. i think erik can still continue fighting at lightweight if only he would maintain his weight close to the 135lbs lightweight limit and not balloon up to 170lbs in between fights. even at 135lbs i think losing so much weight takes it's toll on the body. erik might be on the slide but i honestly don't think he's shot.
Preme,to say MAB has beat better names than JCC is ridiculous and you talk about longevity,JCC had way more. Morales has beaten Jones,MAB,Pac,In Jin Chi,an unbeaten Ayala,Hernandez,Espades,Chavez,Macollugh and Zaragoza.
Those are some great names. MAB has beaten Morales,Nas,Ayala(after Morales),Kelly(after Morales)Mckinney and Sanchez.
I know whos' resume looks better to me..Pretty easy if you know boxing..
As for how why Morales got shot quicker,he fought and warred with better fighters and he was weight drained for a lot of his last fights. MAB has been fighting longer,Morales has beaten far better fighters.
The reason Morales has faded quicker than Marco isn't because he warred with BETTER fighters...it is because all he did was war instead of adapting his style. I love Morales as a fighter...a true warrior...but he wasn't the smartest fighter. His pride and unwillingness to change his fighting style cost him. The sad thing is that Eric is a great technical boxer...but he was to easily lured into a brawl. A perfect example of this is his three fights with Marco. He had a reach advantage against Barrera...but he rarely used it (jab, etc.). Marco got in his head and made him exchange up close rather than control the fights using his other skills. This of course made for 3 incredible and close fights...but it showed who the smarter and better all around fighter was. Barrera has extended his career because he can box, brawl, and use his head to fight tactical fights and adapt. I think their resumes are pretty even...but if Barrera can pull the upset against Pac...he should be considered as a
good a Mexican fighter that has ever laced them up.
Just a "good" Mexican fighter? I think he would be more than that. If he beats Pac in rematch, he would be in between "good" and "great". But if he beats Pac again on their 3rd match-up (trilogy), then I would sh1t brick and consider him as great.
That's the way I see it.
You misunderstood what i was trying to say...."as good as any" was meant to imply that his name will be up there with anyone considered the greatest from Mexico. You are an idiot to think that he needs to beat Pac to be considered "good" and "great". He is already a legend.
"as good as any"? Did you even post that on your previous comment? You consider MAB a great fighter,... I don't. For me, he's just a dirty fighter who got his azz raped in front of his own crowd by Pac and became a legend because of that.
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Re: Pacman training update:his sparring partners.
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i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
That's quite ridiculous,no offence but there is NO WAY in hell that MAB is the greatest Mexican ever,there is not even a case for it. That title belongs to JCC or Sal Sanchez. Morales resume is on par with MAB's if not better too.
I've also read Manny weighs 136 pouds and will be sparring 130-150 rounds¬?¬?¬?!?!?!
how can a guy who barrera beat 2-1 in this prime be better than him?
barrera started long before morles, and was the brawler long befor people said morales was... is older yet morales became shot before barrera...
sure JCC was a warrior... but i could be wrong but im pretty sure barrera has been in fights with more p4p fighters than JCC, beaten more p4p fighters than jcc... marco is pushing on 70 pro fights, in this day that is F****** is crazy, 70 fights and still fighiting the best about and doing damn well to...
although i'm a big morales fan as is el gamo, i think morales is at par with barrera and the 3 fights they had could have swung either way. morales got considered shot pretty fast after 2 consecutive fights with the pacman at 130lbs. he sure as hell did quite well in his last fight at lightweight which in my opinion he won even if he did fade in the last couple of rounds. i think erik can still continue fighting at lightweight if only he would maintain his weight close to the 135lbs lightweight limit and not balloon up to 170lbs in between fights. even at 135lbs i think losing so much weight takes it's toll on the body. erik might be on the slide but i honestly don't think he's shot.
Preme,to say MAB has beat better names than JCC is ridiculous and you talk about longevity,JCC had way more. Morales has beaten Jones,MAB,Pac,In Jin Chi,an unbeaten Ayala,Hernandez,Espades,Chavez,Macollugh and Zaragoza.
Those are some great names. MAB has beaten Morales,Nas,Ayala(after Morales),Kelly(after Morales)Mckinney and Sanchez.
I know whos' resume looks better to me..Pretty easy if you know boxing..
As for how why Morales got shot quicker,he fought and warred with better fighters and he was weight drained for a lot of his last fights. MAB has been fighting longer,Morales has beaten far better fighters.
The reason Morales has faded quicker than Marco isn't because he warred with BETTER fighters...it is because all he did was war instead of adapting his style. I love Morales as a fighter...a true warrior...but he wasn't the smartest fighter. His pride and unwillingness to change his fighting style cost him. The sad thing is that Eric is a great technical boxer...but he was to easily lured into a brawl. A perfect example of this is his three fights with Marco. He had a reach advantage against Barrera...but he rarely used it (jab, etc.). Marco got in his head and made him exchange up close rather than control the fights using his other skills. This of course made for 3 incredible and close fights...but it showed who the smarter and better all around fighter was. Barrera has extended his career because he can box, brawl, and use his head to fight tactical fights and adapt. I think their resumes are pretty even...but if Barrera can pull the upset against Pac...he should be considered as a
good a Mexican fighter that has ever laced them up.
Just a "good" Mexican fighter? I think he would be more than that. If he beats Pac in rematch, he would be in between "good" and "great". But if he beats Pac again on their 3rd match-up (trilogy), then I would sh1t brick and consider him as great.
That's the way I see it.
You misunderstood what i was trying to say...."as good as any" was meant to imply that his name will be up there with anyone considered the greatest from Mexico. You are an idiot to think that he needs to beat Pac to be considered "good" and "great". He is already a legend.
"as good as any"? Did you even post that on your previous comment? You consider MAB a great fighter,... I don't. For me, he's just a dirty fighter who got his azz raped in front of his own crowd by Pac and became a legend because of that.
You know what i like about you moron? You can't help but make idiotic comment after idiotic comment...it's really amusing. Take Pac's balls out of your mouth and educate yourself about boxing. Aside from your fellow Pac jocker Julius Rain, i don't think you will have anyone else on this board agreeing with your brilliant analysis: "You consider MAB a great fighter,... I don't. For me, he's just a dirty fighter who got his azz raped in front of his own crowd by Pac and became a legend because of that." Are you just plain stupid or just a Pac jocker? I think you are both. So please jackass....reply with another one of your fantastic comments and amuse us all.
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i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
That's quite ridiculous,no offence but there is NO WAY in hell that MAB is the greatest Mexican ever,there is not even a case for it. That title belongs to JCC or Sal Sanchez. Morales resume is on par with MAB's if not better too.
I've also read Manny weighs 136 pouds and will be sparring 130-150 rounds¬?¬?¬?!?!?!
how can a guy who barrera beat 2-1 in this prime be better than him?
barrera started long before morles, and was the brawler long befor people said morales was... is older yet morales became shot before barrera...
sure JCC was a warrior... but i could be wrong but im pretty sure barrera has been in fights with more p4p fighters than JCC, beaten more p4p fighters than jcc... marco is pushing on 70 pro fights, in this day that is F****** is crazy, 70 fights and still fighiting the best about and doing damn well to...
although i'm a big morales fan as is el gamo, i think morales is at par with barrera and the 3 fights they had could have swung either way. morales got considered shot pretty fast after 2 consecutive fights with the pacman at 130lbs. he sure as hell did quite well in his last fight at lightweight which in my opinion he won even if he did fade in the last couple of rounds. i think erik can still continue fighting at lightweight if only he would maintain his weight close to the 135lbs lightweight limit and not balloon up to 170lbs in between fights. even at 135lbs i think losing so much weight takes it's toll on the body. erik might be on the slide but i honestly don't think he's shot.
Preme,to say MAB has beat better names than JCC is ridiculous and you talk about longevity,JCC had way more. Morales has beaten Jones,MAB,Pac,In Jin Chi,an unbeaten Ayala,Hernandez,Espades,Chavez,Macollugh and Zaragoza.
Those are some great names. MAB has beaten Morales,Nas,Ayala(after Morales),Kelly(after Morales)Mckinney and Sanchez.
I know whos' resume looks better to me..Pretty easy if you know boxing..
As for how why Morales got shot quicker,he fought and warred with better fighters and he was weight drained for a lot of his last fights. MAB has been fighting longer,Morales has beaten far better fighters.
The reason Morales has faded quicker than Marco isn't because he warred with BETTER fighters...it is because all he did was war instead of adapting his style. I love Morales as a fighter...a true warrior...but he wasn't the smartest fighter. His pride and unwillingness to change his fighting style cost him. The sad thing is that Eric is a great technical boxer...but he was to easily lured into a brawl. A perfect example of this is his three fights with Marco. He had a reach advantage against Barrera...but he rarely used it (jab, etc.). Marco got in his head and made him exchange up close rather than control the fights using his other skills. This of course made for 3 incredible and close fights...but it showed who the smarter and better all around fighter was. Barrera has extended his career because he can box, brawl, and use his head to fight tactical fights and adapt. I think their resumes are pretty even...but if Barrera can pull the upset against Pac...he should be considered as a
good a Mexican fighter that has ever laced them up.
Just a "good" Mexican fighter? I think he would be more than that. If he beats Pac in rematch, he would be in between "good" and "great". But if he beats Pac again on their 3rd match-up (trilogy), then I would sh1t brick and consider him as great.
That's the way I see it.
You misunderstood what i was trying to say...."as good as any" was meant to imply that his name will be up there with anyone considered the greatest from Mexico. You are an idiot to think that he needs to beat Pac to be considered "good" and "great". He is already a legend.
"as good as any"? Did you even post that on your previous comment? You consider MAB a great fighter,... I don't. For me, he's just a dirty fighter who got his azz raped in front of his own crowd by Pac and became a legend because of that.
You know what i like about you moron? You can't help but make idiotic comment after idiotic comment...it's really amusing. Take Pac's balls out of your mouth and educate yourself about boxing. Aside from your fellow Pac jocker Julius Rain, i don't think you will have anyone else on this board agreeing with your brilliant analysis: "You consider MAB a great fighter,... I don't. For me, he's just a dirty fighter who got his azz raped in front of his own crowd by Pac and became a legend because of that." Are you just plain stupid or just a Pac jocker? I think you are both. So please jackass....reply with another one of your fantastic comments and amuse us all.
lol! Whooaaa! Look who's about to get a heart attack. Call the paramedic!
Would it make you feel better if I say MAB is great? If that will save you from getting a massive stroke, then I will. But easy on the personal insults. ;)
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Re: Pacman training update:his sparring partners.
Leave Julius alone. He's got his own opinions, and I got mine. We too, disagree also on some occasions fyi.
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Re: Pacman training update:his sparring partners.
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by Preme
i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
That's quite ridiculous,no offence but there is NO WAY in hell that MAB is the greatest Mexican ever,there is not even a case for it. That title belongs to JCC or Sal Sanchez. Morales resume is on par with MAB's if not better too.
I've also read Manny weighs 136 pouds and will be sparring 130-150 rounds¬?¬?¬?!?!?!
how can a guy who barrera beat 2-1 in this prime be better than him?
barrera started long before morles, and was the brawler long befor people said morales was... is older yet morales became shot before barrera...
sure JCC was a warrior... but i could be wrong but im pretty sure barrera has been in fights with more p4p fighters than JCC, beaten more p4p fighters than jcc... marco is pushing on 70 pro fights, in this day that is F****** is crazy, 70 fights and still fighiting the best about and doing damn well to...
Im not biggest fan of JCC he had 4 gifts in my eyes Juan La Porte, Meldrick Taylor, Pernell Whitaker, Frankie Randall, theres not that much in it with there best wins.
JCC best wins
Ruben Castillo
Edwin Rosario
Jose Luis Ramirez
Meldrick Taylor
Roger Mayweather
Angel Hernandez
Frankie Randall
Juan La Porte who gave Salvador Sanchez all he could handle
Hector Camacho
Greg Haugen
Now Compare MAB best wins
Erik Morales
Rocky Juarez
Paulie Ayala
Kevin Kelley
Johnny Tapia
Naseem Hamed
Kennedy McKinney
Chavez wins with the opponents but not by that much and if Barrera pulls an upset vs Pac MAB will be rated higher on his best wins list than Chavez.
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Re: Pacman training update:his sparring partners.
6:35pm Pacific time.
Pac's sparring partners are set to arrive in Manila in about an hour and a half (10am Phil time).
http://philboxing.com/news/story-12200.html
"patayan na!" ;D I love that expression.
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Heh, day by day coverage of the training camp..you guys are die hard Pacman fans. Barrera may be at the end of the road, if he wins this one, he's going down as the best feather/super ever. Its gonna take a miracle tho. Its hard to box and run against Manny, he's gonna need to k.o. for the win.If he wins by decision, I will be shocked.
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Heh, day by day coverage of the training camp..you guys are die hard Pacman fans. Barrera may be at the end of the road, if he wins this one, he's going down as the best feather/super ever. Its gonna take a miracle tho. Its hard to box and run against Manny, he's gonna need to k.o. for the win.If he wins by decision, I will be shocked.
Session break for Pac (cool intermission).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofa4R...elated&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBLL3s8tUU4
