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Where would Evander Rank All Time PFP If He Beats Ibrigamov
I think taking into consideration that he was the greatest Cruiserweight of all time and being one of the best heavies, regardless of what you think of Imbrigamov at Evanders age to attain the Heavyweight championship for the 5th time.
I gotta believe he has to break into the top 5 PFP all time greats list if he wins
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Lets decide if he does win a version again ;D
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Holyfield will surely be remembered in history just don't know how high. O0
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It would be an admirable feat, and I would take my hand hat off to him ..... but I don't really think that beating someone like Ibragimov for an alphabet belt would qualify him to leapfrog the Ali, Louis, Foreman, Johnson-type of people?
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I think taking into consideration that he was the greatest Cruiserweight of all time and being one of the best heavies, regardless of what you think of Imbrigamov at Evanders age to attain the Heavyweight championship for the 5th time.
I gotta believe he has to break into the top 5 PFP all time greats list if he wins
Sorry JT im massive Holyfield fan and beating Ibrigamov would be good achievement considering his age but top 5 p4p of all time are you serious bro ?? unless i have misunderstood ??
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It would be an admirable feat, and I would take my hand hat off to him ..... but I don't really think that beating someone like Ibragimov for an alphabet belt would qualify him to leapfrog the Ali, Louis, Foreman, Johnson-type of people?
you said it straight X. O0
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I think taking into consideration that he was the greatest Cruiserweight of all time and being one of the best heavies, regardless of what you think of Imbrigamov at Evanders age to attain the Heavyweight championship for the 5th time.
I gotta believe he has to break into the top 5 PFP all time greats list if he wins
Sorry JT im massive Holyfield fan and beating Ibrigamov would be good achievement considering his age but top 5 p4p of all time are you serious bro ?? unless i have misunderstood ??
His achievements at Cruiser and Heavyweight in his prime were something of legend now factor in at 45 regaining a piece of the Heavyweight title is something special.... Look at Holyfield at 45. Forget the steroids speculation... The guy is as finely tuned an athlete that there is competing today and thats in any weight class. Sure he has 8 losses but take a guy like Duran who has 16 losses and is considered by many top alltime PFP, I concede Duran spread his legacy out thru a myriad weight classes, but to take a guy like Holy that had accompolished great feats at Cruiser and then to go on and have memorable and remarkable wins at Heavy garners special consideration as far as a big man being considered all time PFP status
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I think taking into consideration that he was the greatest Cruiserweight of all time and being one of the best heavies, regardless of what you think of Imbrigamov at Evanders age to attain the Heavyweight championship for the 5th time.
I gotta believe he has to break into the top 5 PFP all time greats list if he wins
Sorry JT im massive Holyfield fan and beating Ibrigamov would be good achievement considering his age but top 5 p4p of all time are you serious bro ?? unless i have misunderstood ??
His achievements at Cruiser and Heavyweight in his prime were something of legend now factor in at 45 regaining a piece of the Heavyweight title is something special.... Look at Holyfield at 45. Forget the steroids speculation... The guy is as finely tuned an athlete that there is competing today and thats in any weight class. Sure he has 8 losses but take a guy like Duran who has 16 losses and is considered by many top alltime PFP, I concede Duran spread his legacy out thru a myriad weight classes, but to take a guy like Holy that had accompolished great feats at Cruiser and then to go on and have memorable and remarkable wins at Heavy garners special consideration as far as a big man being considered all time PFP status
Difference is Duran had over 100 fights ;) and i don't consider Duran top 5 anyway but Holyfields best wins are.
Mike Tyson
Old Larry Holmes
Old George Foreman
Riddick Bowe but i count this as a loss because he lost the trilogy
Dwight Muhammad Qawi
James Douglas
Bert Cooper
Ray Mercer
Michael Moorer
These names don't make you top 5 p4p no way should Holyfield be that high Foreman wasn't when he won title at 45 yet he had better wins and better record than Holyfield im not trying to diss Holyfield i admire the guy and always enjoy his fights but i disagree totally with top 5 p4p of all time thats bit extreme imo.
But if we are just talking Heavyweights then thats a different story i would have him just outside the top 5 all time Heavyweights.
Now if he would of beaten those guys i just put in bold in there prime then that would of been a different story ;)
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It would be an admirable feat, and I would take my hand hat off to him ..... but I don't really think that beating someone like Ibragimov for an alphabet belt would qualify him to leapfrog the Ali, Louis, Foreman, Johnson-type of people?
I have to agree about that...What does balance it out though is the fact he was considered shot....Then came back again,,,,,,so that adds to it.....IMO anyway
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I think taking into consideration that he was the greatest Cruiserweight of all time and being one of the best heavies, regardless of what you think of Imbrigamov at Evanders age to attain the Heavyweight championship for the 5th time.
I gotta believe he has to break into the top 5 PFP all time greats list if he wins
Sorry JT im massive Holyfield fan and beating Ibrigamov would be good achievement considering his age but top 5 p4p of all time are you serious bro ?? unless i have misunderstood ??
His achievements at Cruiser and Heavyweight in his prime were something of legend now factor in at 45 regaining a piece of the Heavyweight title is something special.... Look at Holyfield at 45. Forget the steroids speculation... The guy is as finely tuned an athlete that there is competing today and thats in any weight class. Sure he has 8 losses but take a guy like Duran who has 16 losses and is considered by many top alltime PFP, I concede Duran spread his legacy out thru a myriad weight classes, but to take a guy like Holy that had accompolished great feats at Cruiser and then to go on and have memorable and remarkable wins at Heavy garners special consideration as far as a big man being considered all time PFP status
Difference is Duran had over 100 fights ;) and i don't consider Duran top 5 anyway but Holyfields best wins are.
Mike Tyson
Michael Moorer
Old Larry Holmes
Old George Foreman
Riddick Bowe but i count this as a loss because he lost the trilogy
Dwight Muhammad Qawi
James Douglas
Bert Cooper
Ray Mercer
These names don't make you top 5 p4p no way should Holyfield be that high Foreman wasn't when he won title at 45 yet he had better wins and better record than Holyfield im not trying to diss Holyfield i admire the guy and always enjoy his fights but i disagree totally with top 5 p4p of all time thats bit extreme imo.
But if we are just talking Heavyweights then thats a different story i would have him just outside the top 5 all time Heavyweights.
Now if he would of beaten those guys i just put in bold in there prime then that would of been a different story ;)
Top 5 of all time is a bit extreme that I agree with.....
As far as his list of opp and those guys being past their prime ect...he put who was in front of him...won some lost some but always put on a great performance and never lost as a quitter.....
He fought some guys past their best but also went in as the smaller man.....Like I said about X's comment....It balanced out.....yes those guys were past their best but also he overcame size....
all in all I will put him 5 or 6 as all time HW....as for P4P of all time he is no where near the top 10...I don't even put him in top 20
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Well top 5 and you know what I will change my stance and say no lower than 10 and that is my opinion, besides Daxx I am yet to see someone respond to the question of the thread ???
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ALL TIME P4P?? Im not sure it does much to boost his ratings in that catagory... Given the fact that the state of the Heavyweights has only got worse since his last bout of good form.
If were talking about All-Time Heavyweight Greats then one thing everyone has to conceed is that He would surely rank higher than Foreman... Where ever he may be ranked respectively.
While your at it, you could put him higher than Fraizer, Tyson, Liston & Dempsey.
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Well top 5 and you know what I will change my stance and say no lower than 10 and that is my opinion, besides Daxx I am yet to see someone respond to the question of the thread ???
You know what you are right....i got so wrapped up in reading a responding to everyone elses thread I totally forgot it was P4P you asked about.....
I would put him somewhere between 25-30 All Time P4P.....
You have the regs off the top of my head.....
Robinson, Armstrong, Pep ect....Then guys like Leonard,,Hearns,,,Duran,,,,Chavez,,,Whitiker,,,San chez and a bunch more I can not come up with at the moment......but 25 is not bad as an all time great....
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Re: Where would Evander Rank All Time PFP If He Beats Ibrigamov
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I think taking into consideration that he was the greatest Cruiserweight of all time and being one of the best heavies, regardless of what you think of Imbrigamov at Evanders age to attain the Heavyweight championship for the 5th time.
I gotta believe he has to break into the top 5 PFP all time greats list if he wins
As impressive a feat as it would be - and I dont think Holyfield will succeed - beating Sultan Ibragimov for the WBO belt wont make much of a difference on Holyfield's resume vis a vis the alltime best p4p. In fact I think people in the grand historic scheme of things would be offended by even noting the WBO title 'the Heavyweight championship'.
Holyfield is a bona fide 3 time champ with wins against several HW legends, but there is a distinct difference between bouncing back to defeat Frazier or Foreman or to bounce back to beat John Ruiz or Sultan Ibragimov, especially when the latters are/were both considered (among) the weakest titlists out of four.
Also, Holyfield definetely deserve credit p4p for being a natural cruiser (sort of), as opposed to say Klitschko or Lewis who could never fight below heavy. However most heavyweights thtoughout history would be cruisers by today standards, e.g. Rocky Maricano (who never fought above 190 according to boxrec)), Joe Louis (who fought most of his career below 200). Heck even Ali could/would have been a cruiser in the beginning of his career. So in all honesty, Holyfield may be the best cruiser ever, but he is not the best fighter ever weighing in at 190 in my opinion.
Dont get me wrong - I like Holyfield. A lot. But there is no way he should be all time top 5 p4p. Top 25 is more likely.
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Right now I think he's already up there with Charles since Holyfield started out at cruiserweight
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Honestly, I don't think it should make any diference on his legacy or P4P ATG status if he wins or loses. His legacy is solidified and this fight ain't gonna make it better or worse. Which proves once again that he should retire before he gets hurt permanently, if he has not already, because unless he beats someone like Klitchko, which he ain't, it just won't make much of a difference. We have all seen his best and he is not going to top his best at age 45.
With that said, winning a 5th title will still be a great achievement even though the last two were totally BS titles.
I for one will never concider him a 5 time HW champion. I have yet to consider him a 4 time HW champion. To me he remainds a 3 time HW champion.
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Sorry JT, but there isn't too much point to this discussion since Sultan is gonna win which would give Holyfield yet another loss (I think that would be like his 10th or something)
As far as p4p status.......
He might crack the top 200. Jumping from cruiserweight all the way up to heavyweight is not a real p4p achievement because that's world titles in only 2 weight classes. If he came from super middleweight or even light heavyweight (and was champ in both of those) up to heavyweight then he might start making some p4p noise.
Losses to Bowe twice (in Holyfield's prime)+
Lost to Michael Moorer (also in his prime)+
and then a slew of losses to other various heavyweights (Byrd, Toney *a real all time p4p great* Donald, etc. etc.)+
= not p4p greatness
Having said that, if he does actually beat Sultan without the judges giving Evander some terrible gift decision, I will commend Holyfield and be the first to say that he may be in the top 25 heavyweights of all time.
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Sorry JT, but there isn't too much point to this discussion since Sultan is gonna win which would give Holyfield yet another loss (I think that would be like his 10th or something)
As far as p4p status.......
He might crack the top 200. Jumping from cruiserweight all the way up to heavyweight is not a real p4p achievement because that's world titles in only 2 weight classes. If he came from super middleweight or even light heavyweight (and was champ in both of those) up to heavyweight then he might start making some p4p noise.
Losses to Bowe twice (in Holyfield's prime)+
Lost to Michael Moorer (also in his prime)+
and then a slew of losses to other various heavyweights (Byrd, Toney *a real all time p4p great* Donald, etc. etc.)+
= not p4p greatness
Having said that, if he does actually beat Sultan without the judges giving Evander some terrible gift decision, I will commend Holyfield and be the first to say that he may be in the top 25 heavyweights of all time.
And he beat Bowe, and avenged his loss to Moorer by destroying him and ruining him to SHOT status
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Sorry JT, but there isn't too much point to this discussion since Sultan is gonna win which would give Holyfield yet another loss (I think that would be like his 10th or something)
As far as p4p status.......
He might crack the top 200. Jumping from cruiserweight all the way up to heavyweight is not a real p4p achievement because that's world titles in only 2 weight classes. If he came from super middleweight or even light heavyweight (and was champ in both of those) up to heavyweight then he might start making some p4p noise.
Losses to Bowe twice (in Holyfield's prime)+
Lost to Michael Moorer (also in his prime)+
and then a slew of losses to other various heavyweights (Byrd, Toney *a real all time p4p great* Donald, etc. etc.)+
= not p4p greatness
Having said that, if he does actually beat Sultan without the judges giving Evander some terrible gift decision, I will commend Holyfield and be the first to say that he may be in the top 25 heavyweights of all time.
And he beat Bowe, and avenged his loss to Moorer by destroying him and ruining him to SHOT status
He beat (robbed) Bowe the 2nd time they fought. Bowe came back the 3rd time and KOed Evander.
75 year old George Foreman reduced Michael Moorer to shot status, Evander was just picking up scraps
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75 year old George Foreman reduced Michael Moorer to shot status, Evander was just picking up scraps
Sorry dude, but Moorer was pitching a shut out till the 10th when George landed the thunder, hardly a means to making a fighter shot.
Holyfield smoked him something fierce and punished him real bad... Thats how you make a fighter SHOT ;)
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plus, to his credit. That 'robbery' you speak of was actually one of Holyfields BEST perfomances. (Funny how he's best performances came in the rematches ^-^ )
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To me holyfield will always been a total ATG, im not sure where he ranks and i don't think i would have him in the top 10 of all time.
but he is up there, as for winning this fight i don't think i would consider him any higher than he is now (where evr i have him lol) legecys are rgeat, but to me they don't place a fighter any higher or lower, they re-enforce an argument about where u have already placed him, they are sometime there to showa fighter could do things that others might question.
mainly p4p great lists i rank people by what they done in their prime, because to me whats what its for, like current p4p list its what guys are doing now, not 4 years ago...
it seems some people forget holyfield was never really a heavyweight, he was a cruiser but moved up for the big fights. going from cruiser to heavy isnt like going from welter to Light-middle, or middle to super middle, there is no few pound jump, your talking much much bigger and stronger guys to compete with. evander never really possed the power at heavyweight he needed to complement his style, it was his true warrior spirit that got him a lot of his wins (ofc his talent too) but lacking the power he really had to dig deep to get some of his great wins...
The third bowe fight, wasn't there something badly up with holyfield then? i know forman wouldn't shut up about his hear, that he shouldn't be in there, holyfield looked in bad shape very very early on, someting your not accustomed to seeing in someone like him...
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The third bowe fight, wasn't there something badly up with holyfield then? i know forman wouldn't shut up about his hear, that he shouldn't be in there, holyfield looked in bad shape very very early on, someting your not accustomed to seeing in someone like him...
He got hepatitis from some bad shellfish and against Moorer he had a heart problem and was laboring toward the end
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The third bowe fight, wasn't there something badly up with holyfield then? i know forman wouldn't shut up about his hear, that he shouldn't be in there, holyfield looked in bad shape very very early on, someting your not accustomed to seeing in someone like him...
He got hepatitis from some bad shellfish and against Moorer he had a heart problem and was laboring toward the end
always wondered if that heart problem stemmed from steroid abuse. i know they put massive preasure on the heart and with all the training a guy like he does could defo make it worse and cause a problem.
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The third bowe fight, wasn't there something badly up with holyfield then? i know forman wouldn't shut up about his hear, that he shouldn't be in there, holyfield looked in bad shape very very early on, someting your not accustomed to seeing in someone like him...
He got hepatitis from some bad shellfish and against Moorer he had a heart problem and was laboring toward the end
always wondered if that heart problem stemmed from steroid abuse.  i know they put massive preasure on the heart and with all the training a guy like he does could defo make it worse and cause a problem.
if he had been alledgedly doing Roids for as far back as 93-94 Holyfield would be dead or decrepit by now, with heart, liver and kidney problems  ;) plus he has passed every steroid test
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The third bowe fight, wasn't there something badly up with holyfield then? i know forman wouldn't shut up about his hear, that he shouldn't be in there, holyfield looked in bad shape very very early on, someting your not accustomed to seeing in someone like him...
He got hepatitis from some bad shellfish and against Moorer he had a heart problem and was laboring toward the end
always wondered if that heart problem stemmed from steroid abuse. i know they put massive preasure on the heart and with all the training a guy like he does could defo make it worse and cause a problem.
if he had been alledgedly doing Roids for as far back as 93-94 Holyfield would be dead or decrepit by now, with heart, liver and kidney problems ;) plus he has passed every steroid test
Many people (most who do them) have used steroids for a lot longer than a stretch of 7 or 8 years.
As far as the "He passed every steroid test," arguement.....................
Do you recall the MLB steroid bust that happened??
Guess what JT?
THEY PASSED TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bonds, McGuire, Palemero, etc. etc.
And in case you forgot, Holyfield (excuse me, Evan Fields who happened to live at the same address as Holyfield) was on the same client list as all those baseball players who got busted for using the steroid that passed drug tests.
Well, I guess we know where Evander's "heart," (or lack there of ;)) problem came from.
checkmate
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The third bowe fight, wasn't there something badly up with holyfield then? i know forman wouldn't shut up about his hear, that he shouldn't be in there, holyfield looked in bad shape very very early on, someting your not accustomed to seeing in someone like him...
He got hepatitis from some bad shellfish and against Moorer he had a heart problem and was laboring toward the end
always wondered if that heart problem stemmed from steroid abuse. i know they put massive preasure on the heart and with all the training a guy like he does could defo make it worse and cause a problem.
if he had been alledgedly doing Roids for as far back as 93-94 Holyfield would be dead or decrepit by now, with heart, liver and kidney problems ;) plus he has passed every steroid test
Many people (most who do them) have used steroids for a lot longer than a stretch of 7 or 8 years.
As far as the "He passed every steroid test," arguement.....................
Do you recall the MLB steroid bust that happened??
Guess what JT?
THEY PASSED TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bonds, McGuire, Palemero, etc. etc.
And in case you forgot, Holyfield (excuse me, Evan Fields who happened to live at the same address as Holyfield) was on the same client list as all those baseball players who got busted for using the steroid that passed drug tests.
Well, I guess we know where Evander's "heart," (or lack there of ;)) problem came from.
checkmate
So your accusing Evander of using Roids in his 12th pro fight against Qawi ??? thats were the legend of his heart started. Checksmashed ;D
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The third bowe fight, wasn't there something badly up with holyfield then? i know forman wouldn't shut up about his hear, that he shouldn't be in there, holyfield looked in bad shape very very early on, someting your not accustomed to seeing in someone like him...
He got hepatitis from some bad shellfish and against Moorer he had a heart problem and was laboring toward the end
always wondered if that heart problem stemmed from steroid abuse. i know they put massive preasure on the heart and with all the training a guy like he does could defo make it worse and cause a problem.
if he had been alledgedly doing Roids for as far back as 93-94 Holyfield would be dead or decrepit by now, with heart, liver and kidney problems ;) plus he has passed every steroid test
Many people (most who do them) have used steroids for a lot longer than a stretch of 7 or 8 years.
As far as the "He passed every steroid test," arguement.....................
Do you recall the MLB steroid bust that happened??
Guess what JT?
THEY PASSED TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bonds, McGuire, Palemero, etc. etc.
And in case you forgot, Holyfield (excuse me, Evan Fields who happened to live at the same address as Holyfield) was on the same client list as all those baseball players who got busted for using the steroid that passed drug tests.
Well, I guess we know where Evander's "heart," (or lack there of ;)) problem came from.
checkmate
So your accusing Evander of using Roids in his 12th pro fight against Qawi ??? thats were the legend of his heart started. Checksmashed ;D
He probably has been using them since he turned pro
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The third bowe fight, wasn't there something badly up with holyfield then? i know forman wouldn't shut up about his hear, that he shouldn't be in there, holyfield looked in bad shape very very early on, someting your not accustomed to seeing in someone like him...
He got hepatitis from some bad shellfish and against Moorer he had a heart problem and was laboring toward the end
always wondered if that heart problem stemmed from steroid abuse. i know they put massive preasure on the heart and with all the training a guy like he does could defo make it worse and cause a problem.
if he had been alledgedly doing Roids for as far back as 93-94 Holyfield would be dead or decrepit by now, with heart, liver and kidney problems ;) plus he has passed every steroid test
Many people (most who do them) have used steroids for a lot longer than a stretch of 7 or 8 years.
As far as the "He passed every steroid test," arguement.....................
Do you recall the MLB steroid bust that happened??
Guess what JT?
THEY PASSED TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bonds, McGuire, Palemero, etc. etc.
And in case you forgot, Holyfield (excuse me, Evan Fields who happened to live at the same address as Holyfield) was on the same client list as all those baseball players who got busted for using the steroid that passed drug tests.
Well, I guess we know where Evander's "heart," (or lack there of ;)) problem came from.
checkmate
So your accusing Evander of using Roids in his 12th pro fight against Qawi ??? thats were the legend of his heart started. Checksmashed ;D
He probably has been using them since he turned pro
Oh yea i rememebr Qawi's excuse *Holyfield looked dead in the 6th round then he comes out banging in the next round* its called being a boxer and having second wind Mr Qawi ::**
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The third bowe fight, wasn't there something badly up with holyfield then? i know forman wouldn't shut up about his hear, that he shouldn't be in there, holyfield looked in bad shape very very early on, someting your not accustomed to seeing in someone like him...
He got hepatitis from some bad shellfish and against Moorer he had a heart problem and was laboring toward the end
always wondered if that heart problem stemmed from steroid abuse. i know they put massive preasure on the heart and with all the training a guy like he does could defo make it worse and cause a problem.
if he had been alledgedly doing Roids for as far back as 93-94 Holyfield would be dead or decrepit by now, with heart, liver and kidney problems ;) plus he has passed every steroid test
Many people (most who do them) have used steroids for a lot longer than a stretch of 7 or 8 years.
As far as the "He passed every steroid test," arguement.....................
Do you recall the MLB steroid bust that happened??
Guess what JT?
THEY PASSED TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bonds, McGuire, Palemero, etc. etc.
And in case you forgot, Holyfield (excuse me, Evan Fields who happened to live at the same address as Holyfield) was on the same client list as all those baseball players who got busted for using the steroid that passed drug tests.
Well, I guess we know where Evander's "heart," (or lack there of ;)) problem came from.
checkmate
So your accusing Evander of using Roids in his 12th pro fight against Qawi ??? thats were the legend of his heart started. Checksmashed ;D
So tell me then, JT?
What's your whole stance on the whole BALCO investigation??
Was it Evander having the steroids (the same ones that all the baseball players used ;)) shipped to his house?
Or does Evander Holyfield have a roommate named Evan Fields that lives at his address that was having these steroids shipped to?
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Originally Posted by Preme
The third bowe fight, wasn't there something badly up with holyfield then? i know forman wouldn't shut up about his hear, that he shouldn't be in there, holyfield looked in bad shape very very early on, someting your not accustomed to seeing in someone like him...
He got hepatitis from some bad shellfish and against Moorer he had a heart problem and was laboring toward the end
always wondered if that heart problem stemmed from steroid abuse.  i know they put massive preasure on the heart and with all the training a guy like he does could defo make it worse and cause a problem.
if he had been alledgedly doing Roids for as far back as 93-94 Holyfield would be dead or decrepit by now, with heart, liver and kidney problems  ;) plus he has passed every steroid test
Many people (most who do them) have used steroids for a lot longer than a stretch of 7 or 8 years.
As far as the "He passed every steroid test," arguement.....................
Do you recall the MLB steroid bust that happened??
Guess what JT?
THEY PASSED TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bonds, McGuire, Palemero, etc. etc.
And in case you forgot, Holyfield (excuse me, Evan Fields who happened to live at the same address as Holyfield) was on the same client list as all those baseball players who got busted for using the steroid that passed drug tests.
Well, I guess we know where Evander's "heart," (or lack there of ;)) problem came from.
checkmate
So your accusing Evander of using Roids in his 12th pro fight against Qawi  ???  thats were the legend of his heart started.   Checksmashed ;D
So tell me then, JT?
What's your whole stance on the whole BALCO investigation??
Was it Evander having the steroids (the same ones that all the baseball players used ;)) shipped to his house?
Or does Evander Holyfield have a roommate named Evan Fields that lives at his address that was having these steroids shipped to?
I'll maintain what I have said all along..... When there is dead on proof, prosecutions, arraignments, convictions etc then I will speak on it.... BALCO had some shady shiit going on but that lab had some cutting edge nutritional and innovative ideas that were on the up and up with legal supplements and vitamins... We dont always have to assume the worst  ;)
