70's Foreman VS 90's Foreman

I think its remarkable that one man could change his course in life and dramatically reinvent himself mind, soul and emotion like George Foreman did... He was able to atone for his shortcomings personally and competitively and chase away the demons that plagued him after his loss to Ali in Zaire 1974 to comeback persevere and do something of legend and magic in the way he KO'D Moorer at age 45..

I for along time wondered if you could seperate George and the fighter person he was in the 70's and have him fight the person and warrior he was in the 90's who would win?

Young George was ferocious intimidating and bludgeoning had a questionable heart and mental makeup. While Old George had grown and strengthen his mind, will and desire not just as a fighter but as a person. He had one of the biggest hearts the sport had ever seen with steely determination and will to go with that warrior personality he developed, not to mention when he startred his comeback at 38 he was signifigantly over his previous fighting weight but was better conditioned than in his younger days.

I believe the older Foreman could survive the onslaught of the younger one and would be confident and determined to out last him in a war of attricion where Old Georges heart, desire and will would wear down his younger self and stop him late..

Whats your opinion?

Good writing ...... I think one or the other of them would have got seriously and permanently hurt !!

I agree 100%, an old Foreman would weather the storm and k.o. his younger version in the late rounds. If young Foreman wasn't so wild I think he would beat the older version, but the patience and savvy George showed later in his career would decisively beat a younger version. A young George would break his arms and hands hitting Old George on the body, the older version was like a granite mountain. IMO the best heavyweight ever, just because he came back and did what he did against Moorer, being as old as he was.

CC for the good thread. ;)

Young Foreman would dismantle the old one i admire Foreman at his old age but he was so slow and young Foreman would swarm all over him and poor old George would be stopped on his feet.

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Young Foreman would dismantle the old one i admire Foreman at his old age but he was so slow and young Foreman would swarm all over him and poor old George would be stopped on his feet.

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I gotta disagree Old George was pretty damn close to the ferocious puncher he was in his younger days, his cross armed defense he developed from Archie Moore was a huge bullet in his gun, the younger George had one of the worst defenses for such a celebrated champion. Young George was wide open and would get tattooed coming in and would get broken down mentally by the smarter more determined older George. And after 3 rounds when he couldn't KO the old man he would start getting the self doubt that someone could absorb his punches and punishment, and then counter with bludgeoning shots I think old George would take the piss out of him mentally and then go on to doing it physically

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CC for the good thread. ;)

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Thanks :coolclick: returned ;)

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Young Foreman would dismantle the old one i admire Foreman at his old age but he was so slow and young Foreman would swarm all over him and poor old George would be stopped on his feet.

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I gotta disagree Old George was pretty damn close to the ferocious puncher he was in his younger days, his cross armed defense he developed from Archie Moore was a huge bullet in his gun, the younger George had one of the worst defenses for such a celebrated champion. Young George was wide open and would get tattooed coming in and would get broken down mentally by the smarter more determined older George. And after 3 rounds when he couldn't KO the old man he would start getting the self doubt that someone could absorb his punches and punishment, and then counter with bludgeoning shots I think old George would take the piss out of him mentally and then go on to doing it physically

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I think your underrating the young Foreman he never got self doubt only after just 3 rounds i do agree the older version was smarter and had better defense but old Foreman was too slow young one would just swarm him and would be alot quicker than the old one i know Foreman had amazing chin when he got older but he wouldn't take the punches of a younger Foreman no way but i maybe wrong but i just think the younger one would win.

I go with the older Geroge....Slower a bit yes ( but then again when was Geroge even considered slightly fast or even average).....But like stated before the older George knew how to be patient...he was better conditioned ( mostly due to knowing how to relax in the ring)...he rolled with the punches to take starch off.....He would be patient let the younger version punch himself out while getting in enought shots to help wear younger geroge down to the body more then get the KO around 9 or 10

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Young Foreman would dismantle the old one i admire Foreman at his old age but he was so slow and young Foreman would swarm all over him and poor old George would be stopped on his feet.

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I gotta disagree Old George was pretty damn close to the ferocious puncher he was in his younger days, his cross armed defense he developed from Archie Moore was a huge bullet in his gun, the younger George had one of the worst defenses for such a celebrated champion. Young George was wide open and would get tattooed coming in and would get broken down mentally by the smarter more determined older George. And after 3 rounds when he couldn't KO the old man he would start getting the self doubt that someone could absorb his punches and punishment, and then counter with bludgeoning shots I think old George would take the piss out of him mentally and then go on to doing it physically

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I think your underrating the young Foreman he never got self doubt only after just 3 rounds i do agree the older version was smarter and had better defense but old Foreman was too slow young one would just swarm him and would be alot quicker than the old one i know Foreman had amazing chin when he got older but he wouldn't take the punches of a younger Foreman no way but i maybe wrong but i just think the younger one would win.

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I only say that because he would size up the old stout man believeing that he couldnt last 30 seconds let alone 3 rounds... If you remember all the interviews that George did young or old that was his mentality in the 70's when he came to fight.

I just think Older George could find and capitalize on the Younger Foremans chin easier than the other way around. especially if he got winded

Superior ability to move gives it to 70's
Its not like that version was beating nothing but bums,with 2 wins against Frazier,Norton,Lyle and Chuvallo

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I think its remarkable that one man could change his course in life and dramatically reinvent himself mind, soul and emotion like George Foreman did... He was able to atone for his shortcomings personally and competitively and chase away the demons that plagued him after his loss to Ali in Zaire 1974 to comeback persevere and do something of legend and magic in the way he KO'D Moorer at age 45..

I for along time wondered if you could seperate George and the fighter person he was in the 70's and have him fight the person and warrior he was in the 90's who would win?

Young George was ferocious intimidating and bludgeoning had a questionable heart and mental makeup. While Old George had grown and strengthen his mind, will and desire not just as a fighter but as a person. He had one of the biggest hearts the sport had ever seen with steely determination and will to go with that warrior personality he developed, not to mention when he startred his comeback at 38 he was signifigantly over his previous fighting weight but was better conditioned than in his younger days.

I believe the older Foreman could survive the onslaught of the younger one and would be confident and determined to out last him in a war of attricion where Old Georges heart, desire and will would wear down his younger self and stop him late..

Whats your opinion?

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Mental makeup...ok, fine I agree he was a bully and had the bully mentality but NO HEART????? Ron Lyle found out about his heart.

Pretty much any fighter who can get up from a serious knockdown and knock the other guy out has heart.


He did show more heart in his old age as he was a big punching bag for everyone especially Holyfield who couldn't KO him but still everyone who hit him got rocked in return

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I think its remarkable that one man could change his course in life and dramatically reinvent himself mind, soul and emotion like George Foreman did... He was able to atone for his shortcomings personally and competitively and chase away the demons that plagued him after his loss to Ali in Zaire 1974 to comeback persevere and do something of legend and magic in the way he KO'D Moorer at age 45..

I for along time wondered if you could seperate George and the fighter person he was in the 70's and have him fight the person and warrior he was in the 90's who would win?

Young George was ferocious intimidating and bludgeoning had a questionable heart and mental makeup. While Old George had grown and strengthen his mind, will and desire not just as a fighter but as a person. He had one of the biggest hearts the sport had ever seen with steely determination and will to go with that warrior personality he developed, not to mention when he startred his comeback at 38 he was signifigantly over his previous fighting weight but was better conditioned than in his younger days.

I believe the older Foreman could survive the onslaught of the younger one and would be confident and determined to out last him in a war of attricion where Old Georges heart, desire and will would wear down his younger self and stop him late..

Whats your opinion?

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Mental makeup...ok, fine I agree he was a bully and had the bully mentality but NO HEART????? Ron Lyle found out about his heart.

Pretty much any fighter who can get up from a serious knockdown and knock the other guy out has heart.


He did show more heart in his old age as he was a big punching bag for everyone especially Holyfield who couldn't KO him but still everyone who hit him got rocked in return

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I noticed you bolded out my QUESTIONABLE HEART, and then countered with NO HEART, I say questionable heart cause of the reason you mentioned, Ron Lyle cleaned his clock and had him take a face dive and George got up, in the biggest fight of his career against one of the greatest fighters ever he took the 10 count instead of seizeing the moment and trying to grab boxing immortality ;)

Didnt Norton have a 'Crab' Defence too? Oh and they used to say Chuvallo 'had one hell of a Chin'.

I think stylewise young Foreman would be all over the old man at the start. Not a brutal beat down by anymeans but the raw aggression and edge in speed and conditioning would make young Foreman look the boss.

Foreman of the 70's would start to look terrible from around the 6th. With old boy having more success in bossing the youngn' around, soring with a few jolting rights. However, the old boy would be a spent force by about the 10th. Exhusted by the previous rounds of physical jockying.

This fight would be an ugly mess of swinging arms, pushing and shoving and bulldozing but the younger Foreman would have enough in the tank to regain some form of control by the championship rounds.

70's Foreman by UD.

I say 70's Foreman by TKO....no way anyone is going to let an old man get tatooed by the hardest hitting heavyweight champ in the history of the sport


Foreman vs Ali is a bad fight to refrence in regars to his heart as Ali mentally tore apart everyone he fought

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I say 70's Foreman by TKO....no way anyone is going to let an old man get tatooed by the hardest hitting heavyweight champ in the history of the sport


Foreman vs Ali is a bad fight to refrence in regars to his heart as Ali mentally tore apart everyone he fought

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Ali wouldnt have torn apart mentally the 90's Foreman, George was to damn smart and seasoned. he would beat the hell out of George in the 90's but he would have had to kill him to stop him.

I guess and the end of the day my ladder statement is not the best reference, only because if Ali didnt beat him in Zaire George would have never humbled himself and grew to be the great man he was in his later years. At that time George had a will and determination that wouldnt have succumbed to the wiles of Ali, on the contrary I see Georges antics at press conferences really pissing Ali off, George would be eating burgers and telling Ali to get him a sandwich ;D

In the 90's George wouldn't throw as many punches vs Ali either, he took his time in his later years....the result wouldn't have changed

VS is showing Morrison Vs Foreman if anyone wanted to catch it...8:00 pst

ESPN classic is then showing Foremans greatest hits, then a rare fight vs. Pires..never seen that one, back in 71'. What is today Foremans birthday or what??

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VS is showing Morrison Vs Foreman if anyone wanted to catch it...8:00 pst

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Don't bother Morrison vs Foreman is a borefest.

Young Foreman wins he would have paced himself and would have the time to brutally beat old Foreman, who would never have fought him as he chose his opponents carefully which is the reason why he never fought Lewis.

Young Foreman would have paced himself?!

This question raises an important question for me.
Everyone is acutely aware that Ali's prime years may have been robbed from the boxing ring by circumstance...However in turn did Ali rob boxing of the prime of George Foreman?
George was very young and raw upto and until the point he fought Ali, the loss damaged his psyche and mentality and subsequently affected him badly up until his "layoff."
When he managed to repair the psychological damage and come back he was undeniably aged and past-peak...So im wondering (quite rightly i feel) had he not been beaten by ali, not taken the layoff how devastating could he have been???? The power strength and youth of a 70's Foreman with the mentality, fortitude and work ethic of the 90's foreman? Did we miss out big time?....

Foreman only lost to Ali, he beat plenty of good fighters better than the 90's version so he would have paced himself, old Foreman was no Ali.

I agree with you that the boxing brain and experience of the old Foreman with the physical attributes of the young Foreman would have been unbeatable, (although I am sure Ali would find a way!)

Jimmy Young

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Young Foreman would have paced himself?!

This question raises an important question for me.
Everyone is acutely aware that Ali's prime years may have been robbed from the boxing ring by circumstance...However in turn did Ali rob boxing of the prime of George Foreman?
George was very young and raw upto and until the point he fought Ali, the loss damaged his psyche and mentality and subsequently affected him badly up until his "layoff."
When he managed to repair the psychological damage and come back he was undeniably aged and past-peak...So im wondering (quite rightly i feel) had he not been beaten by ali, not taken the layoff how devastating could he have been???? The power strength and youth of a 70's Foreman with the mentality, fortitude and work ethic of the 90's foreman? Did we miss out big time?....

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Nice point ;)
Although im of the line of thinking that Foreman gained his mental fortitude through finding God.
Which i doubt he would of done, had he not temporarily turned his back on the sport.

CC JimBoogie,
Thats another important point and its really intriguing as we'll never really no will we :)

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CC JimBoogie,
Thats another important point and its really intriguing as we'll never really no will we :)

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CC back Donny ;)

I wish he didint retire though. Would of loved to see him fight Holmes... Maybe even Tyson!

This answer is easy: 70s Foreman easily beats 90s Foreman.

What did 90s Foreman actually do? He KO'd Michael Moorer with one punch, in a fight where he was losing every round. How many successful defenses did Moorer have as heavyweight champ? ZERO.

70s Foreman KO'd Joe Frazier and Ken Norton in a matter of minutes, and lost the title to the greatest heavyweight of all-time/

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...yeah after he had just had the bully beaten out of him vs Ali.

Had Young fought him before Ali got to him Young would have been smacked down like a little bitch

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...yeah after he had just had the bully beaten out of him vs Ali.

Had Young fought him before Ali got to him Young would have been smacked down like a little bitch

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Foreman wasn't that past it and you say he had *just* been beaten by Ali when that was 3 years before hardly just anyway Young was very underrated and would give prime Foreman 90s Foreman trouble because he has the style to always trouble him don't let Young's record fool you them losses came at end of his career but in his prime when he was on form he was handful for anyone.

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...yeah after he had just had the bully beaten out of him vs Ali.

Had Young fought him before Ali got to him Young would have been smacked down like a little bitch

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Your really not that fond of me are you lyle? :D

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...yeah after he had just had the bully beaten out of him vs Ali.

Had Young fought him before Ali got to him Young would have been smacked down like a little bitch

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Your really not that fond of me are you lyle? :D

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Dont take it personally. Lyle gets like that.
On the back foot, he's a Monstor :)

Nah its jus myself n lyle havi a few friendly debates on a few threads....I was looking for a no there n then i could start freakin him out with "Lyyyyylleeeee whhhhhyyyy dont u like meeeeee :'("

That would of been quite funny actually :D
.... Should of kept me hooter out of it ::**

CC in a few bro, appologies for a spoil sport :P

Oh no worries at all mate ha ha i cant cc u either for 24, ah actually i reckon its time i apologised to lyle, iv pretty much took it upon myself to disagree with everyting he's said the past couple days :D :D :D Which isn't fair really cos he's a good poster.

Oh I don't care hitmandonny, I wasn't being mean towards you or anything. I guess the way I post is difficult to read without a way to measure tone.


No need to apologize

Oh man not at all! I was really diggin the couple debates we had goin, an a couple times u had me sayin "shit he's got me," so i jus had to disagree with ya more :D HaHa