Michael Vick TO PLEAD GUILTY!!!!

And Arthur Blank will cut him from the Falcons and Roger Goodell is going to suspend him for a long time.

Now on ESPN they are saying large portions of the African-American community are STILL supporting Michael Vick and saying it's a conspiracy or some sort of witch hunt to get Michael Vick.....which makes no goddamned sense whatsoever!

That portion of Atlanta is showing it's ignorance believing that! It's not a racial issue it's an issue of right and wrong......why must the race card be played in every situation????

BYE BYE Michael Vick have a good trip to the slammer!!!!!!

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It's always a shame when an innocent man who is a positive member of the community gets framed for a crime he didn't commit just because he is not the media darling that America wants him to be.


If these same accusations were made against Peyton Manning, you and the majority of the country would be rallying around him professing his innocence.

errrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmm not if he did it

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It's always a shame when an innocent man who is a positive member of the community gets framed for a crime he didn't commit just because he is not the media darling that America wants him to be.


If these same accusations were made against Peyton Manning, you and the majority of the country would be rallying around him professing his innocence.

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Oh FUCK OFF

If Peyton Manning did what Vick did I'd hate him just as much!

What Vick did and will admit to doing is sick and you cannot BUY your way out of it with money or any kind of bullshit community role model bullcrap.

If Vick was innocent he wouldn't plead guilty he had the best lawyers money could buy and they would have got him off if he was REMOTELY CLOSE to being innocent!


Michael Vick was not framed, there was no conspiracy, get over it, he's just an idiot....he had the world on a platter and was still acting like a thug! It doesn't matter if he was white, black, hispanic, or fucking polka dotted he's an idiot and a disgrace and maybe after he serves his time and realizes how wrong what he did was he'll be able to play football again but let's not forget....Football is a privilege and not a right!



JUSTICE HAS BEEN SERVED!


And for all of you out there thinking this is some kind of covert conspiracy to get rid of Michael Vick:
#1 Vick was the face of the NFL

#2 Pacman Jones and the Cincinati Bengals were the focus of the NFL's "clean up your act or get the hell out policy" so they already had guys that the media knew had done wrong and were serving suspensions and it didn't really shame the entire league by doing it.

#3 The Atlanta Falcons are absolutely fucked without him and fucked if they cut him right now because it's such a HUGE salary cap hit

So to really have a conspiracy Michael Vick had to be so hated that the NFL and the Atlanta Falcons would be willing to lose HUGE ammounts of money and face in the community just to get rid of a guy who is extremely gifted athletically.


Myth BUSTED!

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It's always a shame when an innocent man who is a positive member of the community gets framed for a crime he didn't commit just because he is not the media darling that America wants him to be.


If these same accusations were made against Peyton Manning, you and the majority of the country would be rallying around him professing his innocence.

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Maybe under other circumstances but most people would whoop their own grandma for kicking a dog.

If those who testified against Vick are to be believed, then

"Apparently, simply watching the pups try to disembowel each other didn't quite get it done for Vick, so he further satiated his bloodlust by alternately hanging, electrocuting and body-slamming the less-fearsome of his brood, according to his good friends."

He's a sick fuck and deserves whatever he has coming and probably should get worse.

He'll spend a bit of time in a prison-resort and probably have the opportunity to get back in the nfl after 2-3 seasons.

If I was a linebacker Vick would have a big target on his head if he ever plays football again.

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And Arthur Blank will cut him from the Falcons and Roger Goodell is going to suspend him for a long time.

Now on ESPN they are saying large portions of the African-American community are STILL supporting Michael Vick and saying it's a conspiracy or some sort of witch hunt to get Michael Vick.....which makes no goddamned sense whatsoever!

That portion of Atlanta is showing it's ignorance believing that! It's not a racial issue it's an issue of right and wrong......why must the race card be played in every situation????

BYE BYE Michael Vick have a good trip to the slammer!!!!!!

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I doubt Vick sees any jail time. Any he shouldn't. Give him probation, I guess. I can't believe this shit is getting blown up so much. It's obvious all these ignorant people talking shit have never even been to an actual dog fight. Yet they continue to give there idiotic opinions.

....he damn well better serve time! 5 years is probably too much but considering the charges (it's more than JUST dog fighting) I wouldn't doubt it's crossed the judge's mind....2-3 years max but he should serve over a year

Do I have to go to a dog fight to know what happens??? 2 dogs fight and maybe 1 dog dies or maybe 1 dog loses and is deemed worthless due to injuries and is hung or drowned or electrocuted.

Is that the jist of it?

Yeah the motherfucker should do time because I am sure other people have done time for it and he shouldn't get time off because he's Michael Vick....people were pissed off Paris Hilton didn't serve well Vick shouldn't be able to Paris Hilton his way out of this charge!

Michael Vick is a peice of shit....maybe I'll forgive him later on, I'll leave that door open but for now he's human garbage!

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....he damn well better serve time! 5 years is probably too much but considering the charges (it's more than JUST dog fighting) I wouldn't doubt it's crossed the judge's mind....2-3 years max but he should serve over a year

Do I have to go to a dog fight to know what happens??? 2 dogs fight and maybe 1 dog dies or maybe 1 dog loses and is deemed worthless due to injuries and is hung or drowned or electrocuted.

Is that the jist of it?

Yeah the motherfucker should do time because I am sure other people have done time for it and he shouldn't get time off because he's Michael Vick....people were pissed off Paris Hilton didn't serve well Vick shouldn't be able to Paris Hilton his way out of this charge!

Michael Vick is a peice of shit....maybe I'll forgive him later on, I'll leave that door open but for now he's human garbage!

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The object of a dog fight is for one dog to win. And one dog to lose. The object is not for one dog to try and kill the other dog. The object is to win. Some times the losing dog dies in the process. Sounds kind of like a sport a lot people post in this forum about.

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....he damn well better serve time! 5 years is probably too much but considering the charges (it's more than JUST dog fighting) I wouldn't doubt it's crossed the judge's mind....2-3 years max but he should serve over a year

Do I have to go to a dog fight to know what happens??? 2 dogs fight and maybe 1 dog dies or maybe 1 dog loses and is deemed worthless due to injuries and is hung or drowned or electrocuted.

Is that the jist of it?

Yeah the motherfucker should do time because I am sure other people have done time for it and he shouldn't get time off because he's Michael Vick....people were pissed off Paris Hilton didn't serve well Vick shouldn't be able to Paris Hilton his way out of this charge!

Michael Vick is a peice of S***....maybe I'll forgive him later on, I'll leave that door open but for now he's human garbage!

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The object of a dog fight is for one dog to win. And one dog to lose. The object is not for one dog to try and kill the other dog. The object is to win. Some times the losing dog dies in the process. Sounds kind of like a sport a lot people post in this forum about.

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exactly

Difference being most boxers voluntarily choose to go into the ring knowing what they're risking whereas animal fighting is not a choice for the animal.

I don't really like the horse racing steeplechase either - too many horses being put down with broken legs. It's not illegal but maybe should be made safer.

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....he damn well better serve time! 5 years is probably too much but considering the charges (it's more than JUST dog fighting) I wouldn't doubt it's crossed the judge's mind....2-3 years max but he should serve over a year

Do I have to go to a dog fight to know what happens??? 2 dogs fight and maybe 1 dog dies or maybe 1 dog loses and is deemed worthless due to injuries and is hung or drowned or electrocuted.

Is that the jist of it?

Yeah the motherfucker should do time because I am sure other people have done time for it and he shouldn't get time off because he's Michael Vick....people were pissed off Paris Hilton didn't serve well Vick shouldn't be able to Paris Hilton his way out of this charge!

Michael Vick is a peice of S***....maybe I'll forgive him later on, I'll leave that door open but for now he's human garbage!

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The object of a dog fight is for one dog to win. And one dog to lose. The object is not for one dog to try and kill the other dog. The object is to win. Some times the losing dog dies in the process. Sounds kind of like a sport a lot people post in this forum about.

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Well don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of animal cruelty by any means but I don't see the difference to this and what they do in Spain and Mexico with bulls. For that matter you could argue fox hunting in the UK is just as cruel, and cock fighting.

I'm not defending him but making out like he is the worst animal sadist of all time is a bit harsh when millions around the globe slaughter or go to watch animals get slaughtered for their entertainment.

I'm not for it, but I think it's an educational thing. I wasn't brought up in Michael Vick's world, who knows what kind of mentality you would have if you were?

Same with the G Man, unless you lived his life and walked in his shoes you can't really say whether they are sick and evil or not.

It might just be part of the street mentality where they grow up along with gun crime, gang violence, drugs etc.

Not right, but being born into that enviroment don't necessarily make you evil.

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....he damn well better serve time! 5 years is probably too much but considering the charges (it's more than JUST dog fighting) I wouldn't doubt it's crossed the judge's mind....2-3 years max but he should serve over a year

Do I have to go to a dog fight to know what happens??? 2 dogs fight and maybe 1 dog dies or maybe 1 dog loses and is deemed worthless due to injuries and is hung or drowned or electrocuted.

Is that the jist of it?

Yeah the motherfucker should do time because I am sure other people have done time for it and he shouldn't get time off because he's Michael Vick....people were pissed off Paris Hilton didn't serve well Vick shouldn't be able to Paris Hilton his way out of this charge!

Michael Vick is a peice of shit....maybe I'll forgive him later on, I'll leave that door open but for now he's human garbage!

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The object of a dog fight is for one dog to win. And one dog to lose. The object is not for one dog to try and kill the other dog. The object is to win. Some times the losing dog dies in the process. Sounds kind of like a sport a lot people post in this forum about.

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not even the same ball park mate, would be similar only if they took the losing boxer outside shot him , drowned him or slammed him to the ground till he died. .

How they live when they're disliked enough to be killed for loosing can't be good either. I wouldn't be surprised if they were mistreated before they even fought.

I think the worst of all time doesn't sum up this guy because there are many worse but that doesn't mean it should be allowed.

Plenty of people come from bad neighbourhoods and love their pets. in his neighbourhood I bet there were a few loving pet owners. Definitely some who are not also but the idea of it being OK to ignore the dogs obvious pain and killing it inhumanely as part of a sport is a bit wrong.

Good on him for confessing and taking responsibility for what he did though.

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....he damn well better serve time! 5 years is probably too much but considering the charges (it's more than JUST dog fighting) I wouldn't doubt it's crossed the judge's mind....2-3 years max but he should serve over a year

Do I have to go to a dog fight to know what happens??? 2 dogs fight and maybe 1 dog dies or maybe 1 dog loses and is deemed worthless due to injuries and is hung or drowned or electrocuted.

Is that the jist of it?

Yeah the motherfucker should do time because I am sure other people have done time for it and he shouldn't get time off because he's Michael Vick....people were pissed off Paris Hilton didn't serve well Vick shouldn't be able to Paris Hilton his way out of this charge!

Michael Vick is a peice of S***....maybe I'll forgive him later on, I'll leave that door open but for now he's human garbage!

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The object of a dog fight is for one dog to win. And one dog to lose. The object is not for one dog to try and kill the other dog. The object is to win. Some times the losing dog dies in the process. Sounds kind of like a sport a lot people post in this forum about.

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Well don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of animal cruelty by any means but I don't see the difference to this and what they do in Spain and Mexico with bulls. For that matter you could argue fox hunting in the UK is just as cruel, and cock fighting.

I'm not defending him but making out like he is the worst animal sadist of all time is a bit harsh when millions around the globe slaughter or go to watch animals get slaughtered for their entertainment.

I'm not for it, but I think it's an educational thing. I wasn't brought up in Michael Vick's world, who knows what kind of mentality you would have if you were?

Same with the G Man, unless you lived his life and walked in his shoes you can't really say whether they are sick and evil or not.

It might just be part of the street mentality where they grow up along with gun crime, gang violence, drugs etc.

Not right, but being born into that enviroment don't necessarily make you evil.

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Good point about the bullfighting, but nobody gives a crap about big ugly animals ;) We've been torturing animals(forced captivity) and slaughtering them for food for quite some time. I doubt you guys are all Vegan Peta members.....

I eat meat but I fully expect it to be killed humanely. I grew up on a farm and our animals were treated well even if you can't guarantee that when you buy meat.

There's a difference between animals being killed for food humanely and animals painfully slaughtered for fun. Just because it's been done for a long time doesn't make it right. People have been murdering each other for a long time too but if someone killed someone you care about I think you'd be against that.

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I eat meat but I fully expect it to be killed humanely. I grew up on a farm and our animals were treated well even if you can't guarantee that when you buy meat.

There's a difference between animals being killed for food humanely and animals painfully slaughtered for fun. Just because it's been done for a long time doesn't make it right. People have been murdering each other for a long time too but if someone killed someone you care about I think you'd be against that.

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Don't you think that being killed humanely is something of an oxymoron though, a strange metaphorical healing balm that we use to try and soothe our guilty consciences?

The end result and intent are the same in all cases, we want this animal to die so that we can gain some pleasure from it, be it food, clothing, entertainment or whatever.

I like to imagine if there was a superior species to us that enslaved us would we differentiate between our captives who fed us well and let us exercise to get us in perfect condition for eating and those captives who just threw us all in a skanky cell together and then took us out and shot us one by one?

To be honest I'd find the former more sinister.

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I eat meat but I fully expect it to be killed humanely. I grew up on a farm and our animals were treated well even if you can't guarantee that when you buy meat.

There's a difference between animals being killed for food humanely and animals painfully slaughtered for fun. Just because it's been done for a long time doesn't make it right. People have been murdering each other for a long time too but if someone killed someone you care about I think you'd be against that.

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Try to explain that to the chicken living in its own shit stacked on top of 10 other chickens.Im just saying theres alot of inhumane shit going on in the meat industry and no one is being brought up on charges. Out of sight out of mind.....does it really matter if you kill something humanely? Its still dead...I eat meat occasionally, but I dont go around pretending like it died of natural causes.

Why Bilbo are you vegetarian?

Taking pleasure in the pain caused to an animal is different from enjoying a nice roast when the animal is no longer alive.

Humanely killing an animal means killing it as quickly and painlessly as possible. It's not a myth. There are more and less painful ways to die.

Humans eat meat because we're meant to physically. It's difficult especially if you're female to be a healthy vegetarian because we're meant to eat meat.

The same can be said for many carnivorous animals. Killing for fun though - killing for killing is a completely different thing.

I don't wear fur either. I like to think anything I own which is leather came from a cow which was killed humanely for food.

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I like to imagine if there was a superior species to us that enslaved us would we differentiate between our captives who fed us well and let us exercise to get us in perfect condition for eating and those captives who just threw us all in a skanky cell together and then took us out and shot us one by one?

To be honest I'd find the former more sinister.

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We should differentiate because we'd spend more time alive than being killed especially if it's done humanely by a butcher off the farming property.

You can buy freerange chickens and nobody ever said they die of natural causes.

Anyway if you don't like animals being killed for food you shouldn't like animals being killed for fun either. It's still not right!

Hopefully this is the end of it. The fucking anna nicole smith story was like a 6 month media marathon. I bet JFK's assassination didn't even get that much air time. Oh well, atleast we can all move on with our lives since we all personally know michael vick and this event really hit home with all of us ::**.

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Why Bilbo are you vegetarian?

Taking pleasure in the pain caused to an animal is different from enjoying a nice roast when the animal is no longer alive.

Humanely killing an animal means killing it as quickly and painlessly as possible. It's not a myth. There are more and less painful ways to die.

Humans eat meat because we're meant to physically. It's difficult especially if you're female to be a healthy vegetarian because we're meant to eat meat.

The same can be said for many carnivorous animals. Killing for fun though - killing for killing is a completely different thing.

I don't wear fur either. I like to think anything I own which is leather came from a cow which was killed humanely for food.

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I like to imagine if there was a superior species to us that enslaved us would we differentiate between our captives who fed us well and let us exercise to get us in perfect condition for eating and those captives who just threw us all in a skanky cell together and then took us out and shot us one by one?

To be honest I'd find the former more sinister.

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We should differentiate because we'd spend more time alive than being killed especially if it's done humanely by a butcher off the farming property.

You can buy freerange chickens and nobody ever said they die of natural causes.

Anyway if you don't like animals being killed for food you shouldn't like animals being killed for fun either. It's still not right!

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My own sensabilities agree with you entirely. I do eat meat, I will buy leather shoes, sofa's etc but I wouldn't wear fur and I certainly wouldn't get an enjoyment out of watching an animal get tortured and killed.

But I grew up in a small urban town where the only prolongoed exposure to animals I've ever had is as pets, and watching nice animated Disney movies where all the little animals have nice personalities and are fluffy and cute.

But not everyone grows up like that. I must admit I don't know Vick's background, I had never heard of him before this thread but I know this has been said about Gerlad McCllelan in the past so I can talk about this as it applies to him even if it may not apply directly to Vick (or may I don't know)

Anyway the G man was brought up in gangs, on the mean streets where violence was commonplace. You fought each other, you might even kill or be killed. There are drugs, gang fights, drive by's, and violent crime. Living in that harsh, violent world it might be just natural to have your animals live in that hash world too. I'm not saying it's right, and I'm not saying I aprove, it's just all of this violence goes hand in hand.

I just find it ironic that people like Bernard Hopkins, Sugar Ray Robinson, Diego Coralles etc are all revered and respected (and by me too) by most people in this board, their misdemenours excused, yet a guy like Mclellen, and now Vick is labelled as the scourge of the whole earth as they are incomparably evil, without good points and beyond redemption.

Do I think dog fighting, bull fighting, fox hunting etc is cruel, yes I think it's horrible

Do I think it automatically makes anyone who participates in it evil and wicked, no, I don't live in their world and I don't know them personally to judge.

That's all I'm saying, I agree entirely with you in principal, it's just I don't think animal cruelty is the worst crime in the world, contrary to many on here it seems.

I'm not saying Dogfights are right. They are sick if you ask me...I was just pointing out how some animals get special treatment , no one would care if Micheal Vick was fighting roaches, or rats. Pointing out some hypocrisy as I see it...As far as the killing(for food, fun), whatever ,dead is dead. Is it right for you to think your life is worth more than the animal you consume?

I do think animal cruelty is up there with some of the bad crimes. I'm sure there are too many crimes to weigh them up though. I guess that I think of bad crimes being those which seem more physical, unprovoked, involving maiming etc than tax fraud or ripping someone off.

Either this wasn't a big story in Australia or my lack of TV watching has left me completely out of the loop but I don't know anything personal about this guy. I wouldn't recognize him in a picture because I don't follow American football and his name doesn't ring a bell.

I'm not commenting on him so much as what I think of animal torture. If this guy is a role model to kids I just hope that they don't get the impression that it's cool.

Some people are just sadists too. Some people from normal families will be involved in animal torture. I guess with him we can't tell if it's his upbringing or his nature or a combination of both.

As for thinking your life is worth more than the animal's you consume - I'm not completely sure - you have me thinking. To be honest if I had to kill my own food I'd probably stick to seafood mostly.

I'm not sure why I have no problems fishing but couldn't kill a cow. Theoretically a cow is one life for a lot more food so it's almost more ethical but I'd look into those big brown eyes and not be able to do it unless the only other option was starvation. Maybe because I can see the greater intelligence of a cow and I'm not sure a fish would feel pain or loss or heartbreak to the same extent. I guess a fish seems closer to a plant to me?

I did try to go vego once but i ended up getting anaemic and fainting because my active lifestyle pretty much meant I needed meat to stay healthy.

I guess ultimately the food chain is there and it's not my invention so should I commit suicide just because I have to eat to stay alive?

I do think the way something dies is important. I think a painful death is worse. I don't think it's the same thing.

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I'm not saying Dogfights are right. They are sick if you ask me...I was just pointing out how some animals get special treatment , no one would care if Micheal Vick was fighting roaches, or rats. Pointing out some hypocrisy as I see it...As far as the killing(for food, fun), whatever ,dead is dead. Is it right for you to think your life is worth more than the animal you consume?

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If they wanted to have a say in the matter, they would've became bipedal with thumbs and done something about it by becoming the dominant species of this planet ;D.

The biggest problem in american (and human society in general) is a denial of what we really are. Censoring certain words on tv or music when everybody knows that they say them on a regular basis in their off camera life. There's almost this sense of guilt for being at the top of the food chain. We can't just do what we want with them but some people go alittle out of the way out of what is responsible action. There's 6.4 billion humans on this planet and over 50% of them live in extreme poverty. Another significant slice is just barely getting by with really low paying jobs.

People wanna worry about the environment and animals but don't give a damn about their fellow man. Yeah there's some fucked up things people do to the envrionment and animals, but when you wake up tomorrow the world is still gonna be there and its not gonna be filled with cute little puppies curing diseases, ending poverty, and making the world a better place for humans. A dog isn't gonna drive you to the hospital after you get messed up by something. It's not gonna start raining successful city plans anytime soon. When a dog attacks a human, what shows up to fix the problem? When a natural disaster hits an area, what shows up to help out? When humans attack other humans, what shows up to fix the problem? People do. There's no hesiatation to save an animal in need but if a person's in trouble "Ah they probably deserved it". "I made it, why can't they?" If everyone could make it on their own and didn't need some kind of generous intervention, the majority of the world would be healthy wealthy and safe but they're not so obviously there's a problem.

Just like not everyone can get lucky and make it on their own, not everyone is in the position to make a difference. I can't make a difference about anything. I don't have the resources to do that. But if you're going to take up a cause, take care of your own species before you villify them and attempt to "save" something else from an unjust situation in the world. I don't lose sleep when something bad happens because i wasn't in the position to prevent or fix it. I can come up with a theory on how it could've been prevented/fixed, but i had no chance of putting it to work. People need help before anything else, and one person or even a lot of people without the means isn't going to fix anything.

I do agree that cruelty to animals happens a lot in 3rd world countries because the level of desperation there is so much higher and the means to do things humanely is less available/feasible. Brought up living in a hovel in some 3rd world diseased area drinking diseased water with a family dying of AIDS I'd probably kill an animal to eat with a rusty spoon and not feel bad about it.

Humans do have a lot of human issues to fix. Not that i think we need to condone animal cruelty in back yards of 1st world countries for fun - especially by wealthy famous people who could afford many other forms of entertainment.

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It's always a shame when an innocent man who is a positive member of the community gets framed for a crime he didn't commit just because he is not the media darling that America wants him to be.


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Oh F*** OFF

If Peyton Manning did what Vick did I'd hate him just as much!

What Vick did and will admit to doing is sick and you cannot BUY your way out of it with money or any kind of bullshit community role model bullcrap.

If Vick was innocent he wouldn't plead guilty he had the best lawyers money could buy and they would have got him off if he was REMOTELY CLOSE to being innocent!


Michael Vick was not framed, there was no conspiracy, get over it, he's just an idiot....he had the world on a platter and was still acting like a thug! It doesn't matter if he was white, black, hispanic, or F****** polka dotted he's an idiot and a disgrace and maybe after he serves his time and realizes how wrong what he did was he'll be able to play football again but let's not forget....Football is a privilege and not a right!



JUSTICE HAS BEEN SERVED!


And for all of you out there thinking this is some kind of covert conspiracy to get rid of Michael Vick:
#1 Vick was the face of the NFL

#2 Pacman Jones and the Cincinati Bengals were the focus of the NFL's "clean up your act or get the hell out policy" so they already had guys that the media knew had done wrong and were serving suspensions and it didn't really shame the entire league by doing it.

#3 The Atlanta Falcons are absolutely fucked without him and fucked if they cut him right now because it's such a HUGE salary cap hit

So to really have a conspiracy Michael Vick had to be so hated that the NFL and the Atlanta Falcons would be willing to lose HUGE ammounts of money and face in the community just to get rid of a guy who is extremely gifted athletically.


Myth BUSTED!

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As a football player I am a Michael Vick fan, but I seriously doubt that he was framed.

As for the Peyton Manning comment... bad example because I seriously doubt that Peyton Manning wouldn't participate in this. Sound like OJ's lawyers all over again.

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Didn't you see Finding Nemo?

I believe that if Vick wasn't a wealthy man he would be another thug shooting people in the street. Afterall, animals are often the first victims of serial killers.


Pun & Bilbo, I think both of you are making excellent posts. They make for good reading.

In reguards to Vick

i also dont no who his is and aint really bothered i do think what he did was wrong


im not gonna o the quote thing there is too many things to quote on so this post will prob jump from one thing to another so i apologise b4 hand

ok as for the dogs being mistreated b4 the fight this isnt true in some cases dont forget there is a lot ofmoney in these fights(treated badly in the way of being given steroids etc........yes )but as in beaten b4 a fight i dont think that happens in all cases the dogs are extreamly loyal to thier owner and thousands are spent on these dogs but after the fight the loser is killed that not right at all


i think the crime is serious but b4 we start witch hunting thousands of ppl beat and starve thier own kids daily while social serices are too busy to go visit ::**

that should come first !!

the comment about carin less about a fish and more about a cow cus fish dont feel as much pain ???

i used to fish as a child (remember most of the time we take the hook out and let it go!!)hmmmmmmmm that or having a bull shot in the head so we can survive???

if u think it logically id rather have the bull shot


trust me if i had no food (ie third world country ) i would kill a dog fuck me id eat ants if i had to !!! but id eat the dog first

i dont think about where my food comes from wen i eat it i dont care its food but wen someone starts sayin oh but it lived in its own shit etc........
my first thought isnt oh that poor animal its urgh i hope they got it all off!!

im definatly a big meat eater but i wouldnt wanna eat something if it died of natural causes
u dont no what it died of

i grew up in a place where fox hunting was done

let me just say ive never participated

but the cullin of foxes in some of these areas is an absolute must!!

they are not cute little dogs they are wild animals that kill farmers live stock (the same live stock that u want running free and nt in cages )we are talkin about someones livelihood

it just so happens that its one of the things that was turned into a sport yrs and yrs andyrs ago

im not saying its right that one animal is hunted down until it cant breath anymore and ripped apart by 10 others because it isnt

but fox hunting doesnt really bother me i guess because where i was raised for some of my life i was taught foxes as foxes not cute little animals from fox and the hound


i do love animals and dont think killing anything for fun is justified but i dont think it is the crime of the century

kids are being beaten,abused etc.......... a news story comes on about that and we all say ahhhhhhhhhhh thats awful im so glad that isnt my child or how can the mother father allow that etc.........

now an animal gets killed etc......... we start on a big debate to why its such a big crime

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....he damn well better serve time! 5 years is probably too much but considering the charges (it's more than JUST dog fighting) I wouldn't doubt it's crossed the judge's mind....2-3 years max but he should serve over a year

Do I have to go to a dog fight to know what happens??? 2 dogs fight and maybe 1 dog dies or maybe 1 dog loses and is deemed worthless due to injuries and is hung or drowned or electrocuted.

Is that the jist of it?

Yeah the motherfucker should do time because I am sure other people have done time for it and he shouldn't get time off because he's Michael Vick....people were pissed off Paris Hilton didn't serve well Vick shouldn't be able to Paris Hilton his way out of this charge!

Michael Vick is a peice of shit....maybe I'll forgive him later on, I'll leave that door open but for now he's human garbage!

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The object of a dog fight is for one dog to win. And one dog to lose. The object is not for one dog to try and kill the other dog. The object is to win. Some times the losing dog dies in the process. Sounds kind of like a sport a lot people post in this forum about.

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People who box make a conscious decision to choose that as a job or as a hobby.

The dogs aren't given a choice

...and the boxers aren't PUT DOWN if they lose too many fights or get injured so that is one stupid ass comparison.

Cock fighting is wrong as well and bull fighting where the bull dies is wrong too because there is some bull fighting that goes without killing or injuring the animal not that I watch bull fighting to begin with.



I like eating meat but the circle of life is different than some sick bastard torturing and killing animals....when lions kill gazelles they don't do it for fun, they do it for food.

Nice to see in a world where people die everyday, innocent people are made victoms of crime etc....that this much effort is put into someone who kills thier own dogs. There are area's in every city where people live in fear of crime and nobody cares, it's so common that most never make the news, but it's nice to know a couple of dogs are now safe due to the hard work and dilligence of our government.

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Nice to see in a world where people die everyday, innocent people are made victoms of crime etc....that this much effort is put into someone who kills thier own dogs. There are area's in every city where people live in fear of crime and nobody cares, it's so common that most never make the news, but it's nice to know a couple of dogs are now safe due to the hard work and dilligence of our government.

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I understand your point and think it is a good one.

Still, Vick killing dogs comes from the same path-of-logic as a random shooting in the streets of a major city. It's purely entertainment and shows a lack of respect for life. A man who makes millions of dollars per year is letting his friends influence him? Vick should be putting these guys through college not funding their dog fighting ring, but they don't want an education, they're "thugs" afterall.

On another note, eating a hamburger is not the same as bashing a dogs head in with a bat and throwing it's body in the woods to rot.

At brith a puppy and a baby are both innocent, infact the dog remains innocent and the adult man becomes a sinner. Still, Puppies and babies have something in common. Both can grow up to be assholes or heroes depending on how they are raised.

.....these dogs are domesticated and are at our mercy....they are taught to fight either by neglect or inhumane treatment.

Hunters kill animals like deer and so on but I know of no hunters who kill animals ONLY for fun and they don't enjoy the death of the animal. The hunters I know are respectful of nature and animals and hunt for management of the species and for food.


Hunting/eating meat is not the same as watching anything fight to the death.


Yall have fun with all that, I bet everyone would let Michael Vick watch their kids now that they know what a kind gentle soul he is :thumb:

CC Lyle and Boxing Gorilla

I've known someone sick enough to torture animals before and that's not all they were capable of. It's just something that they could get away with more easily than their other sick ideas. It wasn't their upbringing either because their other family members were nothing like that. He said himself he knew exactly what he was doing at all times and choose to do it. He did it proudly.

I haven't seen anything on this guy except for what's in this thread so I'm not able to appreciate how much media attention it's been given. I don't see that the issue is do we protect animals OR humans from torture. It'd be great to protect everyone and it really sucks that this doesn't always happen. Whether it's human torture or animal torture it's wrong. Maybe this guy getting locked up will decrease his chances of having kids and torturing them! Pity you don't need proof you're not a psycho before you're allowed to have kids!

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the comment about carin less about a fish and more about a cow cus fish dont feel as much pain ???

i used to fish as a child (remember most of the time we take the hook out and let it go!!)hmmmmmmmm that or having a bull shot in the head so we can survive???

if u think it logically id rather have the bull shot

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Didn't you see Finding Nemo?

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Not sure why I don't think the fish feels as much pain. Maybe it does and I'm not sensitive to it because it's not a mammal and i can't tell it's in pain. I was talking about what I could do not what I really think is best to do. I'd find it easier to catch a fish than shoot a mammal if I had to do it myself. When other people are doing the dirty work I buy all kinds of meat though!

I confess it's weird and I did see Finding Nemo and it's a cute movie sorry Bomp!

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CC Lyle and Boxing Gorilla

I've known someone sick enough to torture animals before and that's not all they were capable of. It's just something that they could get away with more easily than their other sick ideas. It wasn't their upbringing either because their other family members were nothing like that. He said himself he knew exactly what he was doing at all times and choose to do it. He did it proudly.

I haven't seen anything on this guy except for what's in this thread so I'm not able to appreciate how much media attention it's been given. I don't see that the issue is do we protect animals OR humans from torture. It'd be great to protect everyone and it really sucks that this doesn't always happen. Whether it's human torture or animal torture it's wrong. Maybe this guy getting locked up will decrease his chances of having kids and torturing them! Pity you don't need proof you're not a psycho before you're allowed to have kids!

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the comment about carin less about a fish and more about a cow cus fish dont feel as much pain ???

i used to fish as a child (remember most of the time we take the hook out and let it go!!)hmmmmmmmm that or having a bull shot in the head so we can survive???

if u think it logically id rather have the bull shot

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Not sure why I don't think the fish feels as much pain. Maybe it does and I'm not sensitive to it because it's not a mammal and i can't tell it's in pain. I was talking about what I could do not what I really think is best to do. I'd find it easier to catch a fish than shoot a mammal if I had to do it myself. When other people are doing the dirty work I buy all kinds of meat though!

I confess it's weird and I did see Finding Nemo and it's a cute movie sorry Bomp!

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I agree with you though about certain animals being harder to kill. Mammals, and especially the higher order ones are far more like us than the rest of the animal kingdom. Looking into the eyes of a fish or a snake, you just don't feel the same sense of kin that you do looking into the eyes of say a horse or a dog.

It may be illusionary but I'd imagine it's an almost universal response amongst all societies who arn't intimately involved with farming, hunting etc.

In a way I feel like a hipocrit for saying I'd find it hard to do because I grew up in a farming family. Still when it came to controlling number of rabbits (huge problem in Australia) my brothers and their dogs and ferrets did it and not in a way which had them dying slowly. I wasn't ever expected to kill anything - just do other basic animal feeding and upkeep chores.

I don't remember us ever killing our own pigs or cows - for our own food we sent them to the local butcher to kill and prepare them and gave him an animal for his own as payment. Animals which were sold for profit were shipped off alive in trucks to be either sold to other farmers for breeding (or wool in the case of sheep) or to the abattoir where I imagine they have skilled fast and hopefully hygienic workers.

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Nice to see in a world where people die everyday, innocent people are made victoms of crime etc....that this much effort is put into someone who kills thier own dogs. There are area's in every city where people live in fear of crime and nobody cares, it's so common that most never make the news, but it's nice to know a couple of dogs are now safe due to the hard work and dilligence of our government.

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People who engage in this type activity , also run parallel with the snuff queens who are mugging and robbing folks.. another words you round up this lot of thugs , the other crimes in the neighborhood will drop . same douche bags

BG made some very good points.

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Nice to see in a world where people die everyday, innocent people are made victoms of crime etc....that this much effort is put into someone who kills thier own dogs. There are area's in every city where people live in fear of crime and nobody cares, it's so common that most never make the news, but it's nice to know a couple of dogs are now safe due to the hard work and dilligence of our government.

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CC Mar i agree

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In a way I feel like a hipocrit for saying I'd find it hard to do because I grew up in a farming family. Still when it came to controlling number of rabbits (huge problem in Australia) my brothers and their dogs and ferrets did it and not in a way which had them dying slowly. I wasn't ever expected to kill anything - just do other basic animal feeding and upkeep chores.

I don't remember us ever killing our own pigs or cows - for our own food we sent them to the local butcher to kill and prepare them and gave him an animal for his own as payment. Animals which were sold for profit were shipped off alive in trucks to be either sold to other farmers for breeding (or wool in the case of sheep) or to the abattoir where I imagine they have skilled fast and hopefully hygienic workers.

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...that is population control and it has to be done because they would basically eat all the food for the other animals and the RABBITS could bring extinction on some other species.

I'm not vegan or anything, I eat meat, I hunt and fish and it's different when you kill for a purpose as opposed to watching carnage for fun....that is a HUGE difference to me.


I can't believe Stephon Marberry and Roy Jones Jr. are basically crying about what Michael Vick GOT HIMSELF INTO...Yes Vick is a gifted athlete but you know if he breaks the law his athletism doesn't mean anything. And Marberry said people shoot deer for fun.....well MAYBE that happens in some cases but it doesn't involve the prolonged pain and suffering like drowning and electrocution and hanging....WE DON'T EVEN TREAT MURDERERS LIKE THAT!!!

My guess is that Roy Jones Jr is upset because he openly admits to fighting gamecocks.

I saw many rooster fights growing up. Many of my uncles and cousins were into it and during the summer they had one or two gatherings a month. When I was a boy I thought it was cool right up until I accidently saw an uncle wring the neck of his chicken that lost. After that I never watched again...