Are We Supposed To Take Tua Seriously?????

I was just thinking about Tua and this weekend......Saul Montana??....This guy has a loss to every heavyweight C- or better.......

His last opponents before this were Robert Hawkins and Maurice Wheeler.......

The last Ranked opponent he fought was Rahman back in 2003......I don't understand what is going on with him exactly other then the fact he had promotional problems for a bit.....Why he has not even tried to fight with the upper level......

But I can't take him as a serious threat to the division or even a top caliber fighter in the division as long as he keeps going the way he is facing the guys he has been

....I haven't taken him seriously for quite some time now.


And people wanted Wladimir to fight him :beat:

The guy is bigger than joke for boxing. O0

Whats the Joke Bruce

Lately his choice of opponents reminds me of Joe Mesi.

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

I was just thinking about Tua and this weekend......Saul Montana??....This guy has a loss to every heavyweight C- or better.......

His last opponents before this were Robert Hawkins and Maurice Wheeler.......

The last Ranked opponent he fought was Rahman back in 2003......I don't understand what is going on with him exactly other then the fact he had promotional problems for a bit.....Why he has not even tried to fight with the upper level......

But I can't take him as a serious threat to the division or even a top caliber fighter in the division as long as he keeps going the way he is facing the guys he has been

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I think the one sided lewis deafeat kind of hurt him, he never seemed to believe in him self as much after that if i remeber right, he just fought coz its all he knew...

I think know he is making a steady comeback, it might be to late. but if he gets in good shape, his confidence up he can take a belt and be a threat imo.

Are we supposed to take the entire heavyweight division seriously? Their number 1 guy has been crying unification for well over a year at this point and has made 0 progress while two bums who are newly crowned champs almost had a unification match. A 40 year old man who is a shell of his former self (tho better than the version of him that byrd beat for a title) has a legitimate shot at winning a belt. The wbc is locked up for 2 fights, Holyfield in all reality is gonna retire after he wins the wba belt, who knows what the hell is going on with chagaev, and the best in the division has the ibf but no one to unify against. Absolute masterpeice.

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Originally Posted by brucelee

The guy is a joke for boxing. O0

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I'm not liking this statement. >:mad

I guess he should pull a Lamon Brewster and take a title shot just for the hell of it? Or a James Toney and do nothing to improve himself between fights? How about a Tommy Morrison or a Bowe?

Tua is preparing himself for glory. Wait and see.

Tua would send Rahman packing in 4 rounds if they fought tomorrow. Rahman struggled against Sykes what good did that do for the fans? I'd rather see a fighter workover a bum to get his groove back then play chest bumping games with an average opponent.

I hear you DK...but the 'name' still promises a knockout and in a division so light on excitement and superstars I don't begrudge him having a go a bolstering his pension fund.

If he can punch and take a shot (which is all he could ever do) then i guess we have to take him seriously.

BG I agree cc

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Originally Posted by brucelee

The guy is bigger than joke for boxing. O0

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The guy is not a joke in any way....he has ability and can take a hell of a shot...Give one too.....

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

Tua would send Rahman packing in 4 rounds if they fought tomorrow. Rahman struggled against Sykes what good did that do for the fans? I'd rather see a fighter workover a bum to get his groove back then play chest bumping games with an average opponent.

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I agree he would bang Rahman out .......My point is he leaves...comes back...leaves...comes back....then fights one or two tune up's so to speak then does nothing...goes no further...does not even attempt to take on a bigger name...not even top 10 just someone like Williamson...someone...anyone...just to get out in the mix.....


I am a fan of the guy but all the I am back to make some noise is getting old because he never does anything.....I don't understand it......

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

I was just thinking about Tua and this weekend......Saul Montana??....This guy has a loss to every heavyweight C- or better.......

His last opponents before this were Robert Hawkins and Maurice Wheeler.......

The last Ranked opponent he fought was Rahman back in 2003......I don't understand what is going on with him exactly other then the fact he had promotional problems for a bit.....Why he has not even tried to fight with the upper level......

But I can't take him as a serious threat to the division or even a top caliber fighter in the division as long as he keeps going the way he is facing the guys he has been

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I think the one sided lewis deafeat kind of hurt him, he never seemed to believe in him self as much after that if i remeber right, he just fought coz its all he knew...

I think know he is making a steady comeback, it might be to late. but if he gets in good shape, his confidence up he can take a belt and be a threat imo.

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It is possible.......Lewis ruined Michael Grant but Tua is above that IMO

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Originally Posted by brucelee

The guy is bigger than joke for boxing. O0

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Why?

He's supposed to be retired. O0

He comes back with a win. Impressive?

I don't know his opponent. That win is not impressive for me.

Hold your sad clicks.Just listen to reason. O0

PBF is supposed to be retired
Hopkins is supposed to be retired
ODLH is supposed to be retired
Trinidad is supposed to be retired

The word retired in boxing is as applicable as the word humble to Naseem Hamed.

Impressive or not its a win, perhaps had he lost one could deem him a joke or a fraud. But to step into the ring, win and then be deemed a joke, i dont feel thats fair on Tua or any fighter making an effort in our sport.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

PBF is supposed to be retired
Hopkins is supposed to be retired
ODLH is supposed to be retired
Trinidad is supposed to be retired

The word retired in boxing is as applicable as the word humble to Naseem Hamed.

Impressive or not its a win, perhaps had he lost one could deem him a joke or a fraud. But to step into the ring, win and then be deemed a joke, i dont feel thats fair on Tua or any fighter making an effort in our sport.

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Okay, i stand corrected. But that was just my honest opinion man. Think i deserve to say my opinion once in a while. O0

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

The word retired in boxing is as applicable as the word humble to Naseem Hamed.

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Ha Ha CC

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Originally Posted by brucelee

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

PBF is supposed to be retired
Hopkins is supposed to be retired
ODLH is supposed to be retired
Trinidad is supposed to be retired

The word retired in boxing is as applicable as the word humble to Naseem Hamed.

Impressive or not its a win, perhaps had he lost one could deem him a joke or a fraud. But to step into the ring, win and then be deemed a joke, i dont feel thats fair on Tua or any fighter making an effort in our sport.

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Okay, i stand corrected. But that was just my honest opinion man. Think i deserve to say my opinion once in a while. O0

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CC for speakin ur mind man!!! Whoa dont think im knockin ur opinion!!! Feel free to bitch back at me anytime u want yano :)
Thats what makes this forum people standin by there opinions and arguin tooth n nail to be heard cos we all think we're right ;D
Actually BruceLee that CC was earned too cos, i noticed a post by u earlier in relation to fighters health, somewhere, so sorry if ya thought i was knockin ya, i respect ur posts and ur opinions aight :)
Thank you for the CC daxx.

hitmandonny here's my beef with David Tua....he says he's retired then he comes back but he only half assed comes back fighting BUMS.

The last contender he fought was HASIM RAHMAN and that was YEARS AGO!!!!

He couldn't do better now than he did in the late 90's and early 2000's....he has peaked and if he fought a top level guy he'd lose.

He has not taken his career seriously since the Rahman fight....maybe he could have won a belt or gotten a huge payday but he doesn't try to achieve anything he just tries to get fights and win.


He's a freakshow, no different than Tyson or Holyfield or Mesi.

He should AT LEAST fight a guy like Shannon Briggs

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

Tua would send Rahman packing in 4 rounds if they fought tomorrow. Rahman struggled against Sykes what good did that do for the fans? I'd rather see a fighter workover a bum to get his groove back then play chest bumping games with an average opponent.

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You say Rahman struggled against mediocre opponent but didn't Tua go 10 rounds with mediocre opponent aswell only winning a closish decision in the fight before his last one ??

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Originally Posted by ChuckNorris

Lately his choice of opponents reminds me of Joe Mesi.

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Mesi doesnt exactly get to choose his opponents,none of the states with big arenas will liscence him,so everybody has the only excuse they need not to risk him

Theres been an issue with contracts Ive heard which have been cleared. Hes Boxing twice in the next 12 weeks.. Lets see what transpires, to me hes the darkhorse in the Heavyweight pack . Hands up who would fancy the job against a focused Tua Id stay well clear.

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

.......My point is he leaves...comes back...leaves...comes back....then fights one or two tune up's so to speak then does nothing...goes no further...does not even attempt to take on a bigger name...not even top 10 just someone like Williamson...someone...anyone...just to get out in the mix.....

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Sounds like he's been reading the Audley Harrison book on how to guide your career ;)

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Originally Posted by Scrap

Theres been an issue with contracts Ive heard which have been cleared. Hes Boxing twice in the next 12 weeks.. Lets see what transpires, to me hes the darkhorse in the Heavyweight pack . Hands up who would fancy the job against a focused Tua Id stay well clear.

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I agree with you on waiting to see what transpires.....Problem is nothing ever seems to transpire with him...Just as it looks like he is about to make a move towards the division he just fades off....

The promotion problems have been over for quite some time now

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

.......My point is he leaves...comes back...leaves...comes back....then fights one or two tune up's so to speak then does nothing...goes no further...does not even attempt to take on a bigger name...not even top 10 just someone like Williamson...someone...anyone...just to get out in the mix.....

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Sounds like he's been reading the Audley Harrison book on how to guide your career ;)

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We all see how well that has worked out for Audley

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Originally Posted by Scrap

Theres been an issue with contracts Ive heard which have been cleared. Hes Boxing twice in the next 12 weeks.. Lets see what transpires, to me hes the darkhorse in the Heavyweight pack . Hands up who would fancy the job against a focused Tua Id stay well clear.

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or who would fancy trading left hooks with a focused tua?

MAYORGA maybe... ;D

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

I guess he should pull a Lamon Brewster and take a title shot just for the hell of it? Or a James Toney and do nothing to improve himself between fights? How about a Tommy Morrison or a Bowe?

Tua is preparing himself for glory. Wait and see.

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I believe!!!!! ;D

Having Tua back in the mix is great and he's looking well prepared and fit.
He's doing the sensible thing and getting a few fights underr his belt.

I think Tua can win a World title - it's not as if the champions are upto much and the lack of real contenders is shocking.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

PBF is supposed to be retired
Hopkins is supposed to be retired
ODLH is supposed to be retired
Trinidad is supposed to be retired

The word retired in boxing is as applicable as the word humble to Naseem Hamed.

Impressive or not its a win, perhaps had he lost one could deem him a joke or a fraud. But to step into the ring, win and then be deemed a joke, i dont feel thats fair on Tua or any fighter making an effort in our sport.

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;D +CC


One good thing is that Hamed is retired.

one loss for tua and he will be written off. He needs to fight guys that he can beat so he can get meaningful fights. hes too old to start at the bottom of the ladder again.

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

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Originally Posted by Scrap

Theres been an issue with contracts Ive heard which have been cleared. Hes Boxing twice in the next 12 weeks.. Lets see what transpires, to me hes the darkhorse in the Heavyweight pack . Hands up who would fancy the job against a focused Tua Id stay well clear.

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I agree with you on waiting to see what transpires.....Problem is nothing ever seems to transpire with him...Just as it looks like he is about to make a move towards the division he just fades off....

The promotion problems have been over for quite some time now

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

.......My point is he leaves...comes back...leaves...comes back....then fights one or two tune up's so to speak then does nothing...goes no further...does not even attempt to take on a bigger name...not even top 10 just someone like Williamson...someone...anyone...just to get out in the mix.....

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Sounds like he's been reading the Audley Harrison book on how to guide your career ;)

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We all see how well that has worked out for Audley

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Shit man, even Joe Mesi, David Tua and Monte Barrett would be embarrassed in being compared with Audley Harrison.....FFS he's not even a legend in his wife's mind...let alone anywhere else. The only thing Audley ever did was use what talent he had to get a gold medal, then cash in big time.

As for Tua, his comeback would gather pace if he wins another two fights in the next three months, and with the state of the division in the heavyweights, and if his promotional difficulties are behind him, then anything can happen.

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FFS he's not even a legend in his wife's mind...

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Damn Thats Harsh :-[

In a word, no.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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Originally Posted by brucelee

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

PBF is supposed to be retired
Hopkins is supposed to be retired
ODLH is supposed to be retired
Trinidad is supposed to be retired

The word retired in boxing is as applicable as the word humble to Naseem Hamed.

Impressive or not its a win, perhaps had he lost one could deem him a joke or a fraud. But to step into the ring, win and then be deemed a joke, i dont feel thats fair on Tua or any fighter making an effort in our sport.

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Okay, i stand corrected. But that was just my honest opinion man. Think i deserve to say my opinion once in a while. O0

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CC for speakin ur mind man!!! Whoa dont think im knockin ur opinion!!! Feel free to bitch back at me anytime u want yano :)
Thats what makes this forum people standin by there opinions and arguin tooth n nail to be heard cos we all think we're right ;D
Actually BruceLee that CC was earned too cos, i noticed a post by u earlier in relation to fighters health, somewhere, so sorry if ya thought i was knockin ya, i respect ur posts and ur opinions aight :)
Thank you for the CC daxx.

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Thanks for the CC. Here's a cc too. O0

I think the frustration that the boxing fan feel towards David Tua is justified no question., however people must understand things are not always what they seem. Most people are not aware of Tua’s managerial / legal battles which he has endured over the last few years. . David had to let some contract work expire before moving forward with his career ( a matter of principle if you will !) . Other personal issues which were a by product of all the stress and worry , also had to be worked out


That’s the past! the future is looking bright. . David now has some good people around him.. Of course Roger Bloodworth his trainer . , a great promoter and adviser in Cedric Cushner , accompanied with great fan support. . I think the fight fan will be pleasantly surprised with Tua as he marches forward .

I am a bit taken aback … Would have thought more boxing fans here at Saddo's would be amped about Tua’s march to a HW Championship. Hopefully they soon will be. O0

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

.......My point is he leaves...comes back...leaves...comes back....then fights one or two tune up's so to speak then does nothing...goes no further...does not even attempt to take on a bigger name...not even top 10 just someone like Williamson...someone...anyone...just to get out in the mix.....

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Sounds like he's been reading the Audley Harrison book on how to guide your career ;)

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yeah but Tua has a better chin and better power so he

Posteed by: Lyle
hitmandonny here's my beef with David Tua....he says he's retired then he comes back but he only half assed comes back fighting BUMS.

The last contender he fought was HASIM RAHMAN and that was YEARS AGO!!!!

He couldn't do better now than he did in the late 90's and early 2000's....he has peaked and if he fought a top level guy he'd lose.

He has not taken his career seriously since the Rahman fight....maybe he could have won a belt or gotten a huge payday but he doesn't try to achieve anything he just tries to get fights and win.


He's a freakshow, no different than Tyson or Holyfield or Mesi.

He should AT LEAST fight a guy like Shannon Briggs

1) Is ur beef with Tua or me? Dunno why ur directing this specifically toward me...
2) As a boxer myself i think it's unfair and disrespectful to refer to any fighter as a "bum" as i feel it is a very derogatory term to be directed at the guys who are brave enough to entertain us this way.
3) It is a possibility that he is trying to regain confidence lost against lewis, Like pitbull trainers who feed their dog a muzzled opponent or a rabbit first to build its belief.
4)Why fight Briggs? I take it ur a Briggs fan...I take it u dont feel Briggs is a top level guy or worthy of praise...then why should tua fight him?!!!
5)Finally, dare you to call Tyson OR Holyfield a freakshow to their faces ;D

1) David Tua's career choices.....that's what I am displeased with

2) The guys Tua has fought should consider themselves lucky to be called bums

3) Tua lost to Lennox in 2000....David is now 34 and times almost up. Why the dog fighting references od we really need those now?

4) By fighting Briggs he fights a former title holder who he can destroy easily...it's a simple quick fix way to help Tua reach contender status. A status I am not sure he really wants.

5) Oh Tyson knows it, Holyfield maybe not but he's no Big George....but you never know with the other heavyweight title holders out there.

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

Tua would send Rahman packing in 4 rounds if they fought tomorrow. Rahman struggled against Sykes what good did that do for the fans? I'd rather see a fighter workover a bum to get his groove back then play chest bumping games with an average opponent.

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didnt tua knock out rahman a long time ago?

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Originally Posted by Lyle

1) David Tua's career choices.....that's what I am displeased with

2) The guys Tua has fought should consider themselves lucky to be called bums

3) Tua lost to Lennox in 2000....David is now 34 and times almost up. Why the dog fighting references od we really need those now?

4) By fighting Briggs he fights a former title holder who he can destroy easily...it's a simple quick fix way to help Tua reach contender status. A status I am not sure he really wants.

5) Oh Tyson knows it, Holyfield maybe not but he's no Big George....but you never know with the other heavyweight title holders out there.

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1.It's understandable to be displeased with a fighter who showed such great potnetial (particularily at heavy,) but the guy doesn't deserve to be called a joke.
2.Again, and i find myself saying this over and over again. I feel the word bum in boxing is incredibly degrading and unfair, what if someone was calling you a bum for trying damn hard at ur job.
3.At 34 i no he's not a kid anymore but the longevity of heavies is far greater than say welters so i wouldn say hes outta time just yet....As for the dog references thats just what i associate with this situation, which i feel may be born out of desperation in the Tua camp.
4) Briggs may actually well fit the bill of the easy win to boost the confidence of tua, whilst also elevating him in the rankings but it's not exactly the most mouth watering prospect now is it?
5) Gotta lot of respect for Holyfield and a lot of sympathy for Tyson. Got my Fingers crossed for Holyfield Title shot.
6) Feel free to keep debatin wit me Lyle ur damn good!