I believe that behind every great boxer is a great and talented coach.We should also have a list of great boxing coaches. I wonder who is the most most talented (best) coach of all time? Name your pick. O0
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I believe that behind every great boxer is a great and talented coach.We should also have a list of great boxing coaches. I wonder who is the most most talented (best) coach of all time? Name your pick. O0
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Originally Posted by brucelee
The egendary John Walsh, University of Wisconsin, boxing coach, won 8 NCAA team championships and 38 individual titles from 1933 to 1960. He was acclaimed a true genius back then. I used to travel to Madison from Northern Illinois to watch his fighters train so I could pick up pointers as an amature in Chicago.
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wow. you really know something about boxing. Not many "boxing enthusiasts" can readily pinpoint a good boxing coach. All they know are the boxers. O0cc from me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted The Bull
Edwin L Haislet, coach at the Univ. of Minnesota, and author of the best "how to..." boxing book in history.
Bill Miller, the man that taught James Toney and was the REAL trainer behind Kronk's greatness.
Ray Arcel
Jackie McCoy
For me it's simple, 'Nacho'. 8)
For me, I think people like Eddie Futch, Chappie Blackburn and maybe Emmanuel Stewart are up there?
Charley Goldman also did a sterling job on Marciano, considering what he had to start with.
Past Legends include:
Eddie Futch.
Angelo Dundee.
Cus D'amato.
Current Potential Legends:
Freddie Roach.
Enzo Calzaghe.
Do trainers really deserve credit, they can help a fighter but ultimately it is the fighter that makes the name of the trainer, and trainers now can pick and choose their fighters like consultants and get fame and fortune for comming in 2 weeks before a fight.
A fighter is nothing without training, il swear by that. But i dont agree with this switching of trainers every fight, it jus doesn't seem nurturing to start with a new coach every time.
The reality is that in front of every great trainer is a least one great fighter and it is the fighters that make the great trainers stand out.
I'd agree to some extent (an example Dan Birmingham.) But then there's the trainers like Enzo Calzaghe who has a stable of home grown champs, like Joe C, Enzo Mac, Bradley Price, Gavin Rees n a heap of young guys he's all trained himself, so id say its more of a symbiotic relationship than u see it...Trainers need Fighters, Fighters need trainers
Greys brings up a name of an underated coach in Jackie Mc Coy always kept his job Longshoreman. Was a great coach of al the coaches Ive seen work he stands out, and Ive seen a few.
People give Cus D'Mato a ton of credit...a little too much for my taste
EDDIE FUTCH is my personal favorite
Eddie was class as a person
Honorable mention: Gil Clancy
With all due respect, I recently spent 2 1/2 months, three days a week at the Wild Card gym in Hollywood- Freddie Roach's gym. Honest to God, I don't see it. I do not understand what the hoopla is all about. He is successful, mostly, with guys that other people taught how to fight, but I really and truly don't get it. I don't see what he adds.
His doorman/assistant, Mac, plays one hell of a game of boxing trivia and his brother Pepper punched me in the arm so hard I still feel it.
I have a real problem with Enzo Calzaghe being mentioned in the same sentence as Ray Arcel. Arcel was the master and is head and shoulders above Dundee and the rest of his contemporaries. The man learned his trade in stillmans Gym and trained the two greatest lightweights who ever lived, Benny Leonard and Roberto Duran. Dundee said that Arcel was as old as water and he was right, he was also as nourishing and fundamentally flawless as the clear life giving liquid.
Freddie Roach stands out in professional boxing. O0
Freddies a good coach and a very nice man. His recipe for crab cakes is outstanding. ;)
I hear he's good at keeping his fighters on point, some of the guys need a babysitter/trainer. Dont know how he compares as far as technique, when I watched the De La Hoya-Mayweather fight I was wondering why he wasnt livid about Oscar abandoning his jab,if I was Roach I would have tried to reverse Floyds usual role on him and make him come to Oscar, sometimes I question him....but nobodys right all the time...Like the Lazcano-Harris fight, didnt think giving away those first rounds by trying to execute his counterpunch stradegy helped.I give him alot of credit tho, he is the posterboy for people who have Parkinsons.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
I concur on the honorable mention for Gill Clancy. A very astute and erudite fellow who narrated some of the finest action in ring history and proved his worth as a trainer time and time again.
I didn mention Manny Steward earlier, i met him personally before and altho i wasn't exactly enthralled by his attitude u gotta respect him as a coach.
Donny whys that
Well i met him in Cardiff at the Calzaghe fight, having met him a couple times previously. At first he fobbed me off saying he was "too busy," yet Merchant and Lampley were very friendly. So i approached him again, explained my situation (He's training a guy from my area (Andy)) and i was wondering if there would be room for me in Kronk in a year or so. Now i didn expect him to be "Oh my God, iv Found the One!!!!!" but i certainly didn expect "Whatever Kid."
I think as Greys says hes got a lot to thank Bill Miller for. Personaly I dont rate the man but hes a good saleman, spent time with Arcel , McCoy , Futch, all had tremendous insights of fighting plus all were very nice men.
i think Angelo Dundee is overated both Ali and Leonard where outstanding natural talents who any trainer could have taken to a title. i'd say Eddie Futch and Ray Arcel were top trainers.
Agreeing to an extent there Seanie.
And good to see ya CC
you obviously did not spend any quality time with the man, Roach is one of those guys that just inspires a person , . He is willing to help out with no strings attached. I found him terrific on the mitts. there lots to be learned from Roach, make no mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Freddies physical condition sometimes hampers his ability to communicate , takes a bit of patience on part of the student , if you think out that… Patience in boxing is an important lesson in and of itself. So you gain something from the gate ! Top man in my book.
There are great trainers out there willing to help out , and give advise. One such fellow here at Saddo’s Mr. Scrap .. Lots to be learned from this man . Lucky to have him on the board. Top man.
I meant no disrespect to Freddie. I watched himfight many times, and, in meeting him, he is a gentleman. As you noted, he speaks very softly and it takes effort to hear him. Also, I am not privy to his converations, in private, with his fighters.
That said, I do not believe that he did much for DLH. Penalosa was there when I was there and I don't know how smart of a fight plan he executed against DeLeon- though it was the fight he trained for in sparring.
I don't mean to be confrontational, but, really, I don't get it. No aspersions on the man or his integrity or ability as such.
I respect Enzo Calzaghe a lot, for the man to come from a non-boxing background to creating champions especially Gavin Rees, yeah I know the belt is paper but he was such a trouble youth, Enzo treated the kid like family and now he has a big future.
Angelo Dudee, Ray Arcel, Emmanuel Steward and Cus D'amato