All Time Pound For Pound List

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#30 - Paul Williams 33-0 W

#29 - Miguel Angel Cotto 30-0 W *

#28 - Jermain Taylor 27-0-1 M *

#27 - Riddick Bowe 42-1 H

#26 - Joe Calzaghe 43-0 SM *

#25 - Michael Spinks 31-1 LH

#24 - Joe Frazier 32-4-1 H

#23 - Sonny Liston 50-4 H

#22 - Shane Mosley 44-4 W *

#21 - George Foreman 75-5 H

#20 - Ronald Wright 51-4-1 M *

#19 - Manny Pacquiao 44-3-2 SF *

#18 - Mike Tyson 50-6 H

#17 - Lennox Lewis 41-2-1 H

#16 - Marco Antonio Barrera 63-5 SF *

#15 - Felix Trinidad 42-2 W

#14 - Larry Holmes 69-6 H

#13 - Thomas Hearns 61-5-1 W

#12 - Julio Cesar Chavez 108-6-2 LW

#11 - Oscar De La Hoya 38-5 LM *

#10 - Roy Jones Jr. 51-4 LH *

#9 - Bernard Hopkins 48-4-1 LH *

#8 - Floyd Mayweather Jr. 38-0 LM *

#7 - Marvin Hagler 62-3-2 M

#6 - Rocky Marciano 49-0 H

#5 - Roberto Duran 103-16 L

#4 - Ray leonard 36-3-1 W

#3 - Joe Louis 69-3 H

#2 - Ray Robinson 173-19-6 M

#1 - Muhammad Ali 56-5 H

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mate i'll give you props posting a list...

but seriously? i would asume you havn't been a massive an or are quit young? i aint trying to be a kunt but there are so many fights missing from the top 10 that are basicaly unquestionablely there...

Pep, amstrong, shit i can go on and on...

(btw before anyone starts ripping this guy give him the benefit of the doubt that is still leanring..)

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I appreciate the effort you put in to the list but
Michael Spinks?
No Jack Johnson,no Willie Pep,No Jake LaMotta,but Michael Spinks is on it?

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Seriously Flawed list

Lets see:

#30 - Paul Williams 33-0 W ??? WTF has he done aside from beating Margarito? You put him before pep? And what about prior? Anyways, he shouldn't be there

#29 - Miguel Angel Cotto 30-0 W * Not yet P4P material. He just beat Judah and Judah ain't a P4P so what did he do to deserve this?

#28 - Jermain Taylor 27-0-1 M * That's probably the funiest thing I've seen. Taylor on a P4P all time?

#27 - Riddick Bowe 42-1 H Now I know you are not serious. What about Norton?

#26 - Joe Calzaghe 43-0 SM * Now you've lost all my respect. You put him behind De La Hoya and Trinidad? Only two words for you, 20 defenses.

I'll stop here because you're list hasn't been researched enough. Do some research and come back with a better list.

But a hint, RJJ should be before Hopkins... he beat him after all.

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Seriously Flawed list

Lets see:

#30 - Paul Williams 33-0 W ??? WTF has he done aside from beating Margarito? You put him before pep? And what about prior? Anyways, he shouldn't be there

#29 - Miguel Angel Cotto 30-0 W * Not yet P4P material. He just beat Judah and Judah ain't a P4P so what did he do to deserve this?

#28 - Jermain Taylor 27-0-1 M * That's probably the funiest thing I've seen. Taylor on a P4P all time?

#27 - Riddick Bowe 42-1 H Now I know you are not serious. What about Norton?

#26 - Joe Calzaghe 43-0 SM * Now you've lost all my respect. You put him behind De La Hoya and Trinidad? Only two words for you, 20 defenses.

I'll stop here because you're list hasn't been researched enough. Do some research and come back with a better list.

But a hint, RJJ should be before Hopkins... he beat him after all.

And Hopkins beat Tarver

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Be prepared for som serious thrashing. You should do some research before putting up a list on this thread. I'll give you a little help. With the exception of Roy Jones jr and Floyd Maywether Jr. Get rid of all the guys with an asterisks(*) next to it. And that includes Paul Williams whom you forgot to mark as an active fighter.

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Trainer Monkey, Touché 8)

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Wow a little harsh but i understand where some critisizm is valid..but this is his just his opinion and a good place to start for a discussion , hell most can't agree on a current pfp list so an all time list is gonna have tons of different views, definatly an A for effort though.

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Seriously Flawed list

Lets see:

#30 - Paul Williams 33-0 W ??? WTF has he done aside from beating Margarito? You put him before pep? And what about prior? Anyways, he shouldn't be there

#29 - Miguel Angel Cotto 30-0 W * Not yet P4P material. He just beat Judah and Judah ain't a P4P so what did he do to deserve this?

#28 - Jermain Taylor 27-0-1 M * That's probably the funiest thing I've seen. Taylor on a P4P all time?

#27 - Riddick Bowe 42-1 H Now I know you are not serious. What about Norton?

#26 - Joe Calzaghe 43-0 SM * Now you've lost all my respect. You put him behind De La Hoya and Trinidad? Only two words for you, 20 defenses.

I'll stop here because you're list hasn't been researched enough. Do some research and come back with a better list.

But a hint, RJJ should be before Hopkins... he beat him after all.

you will find it hard to find a bigger calzaghe fan on this board than me, but shit not even i would put joe above de la hoya and tito...

Joe has defended his belt 21 times but oscar is a 6 weight world champion, both he and tito have mixed it with some of the biggest names of boxing in the era...

Joe has still got work to do before he has done, but i doubt he will ever be considered greater than de la hoya

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In my opinion, De La Hoya is viewed as an all time great because of his fame and not his accomplishments. But that's only my opinion. I just think Trinidad and De La Hoya are too high on the list.

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#30 - Paul Williams 33-0 W

#29 - Miguel Angel Cotto 30-0 W *

#28 - Jermain Taylor 27-0-1 M *

#27 - Riddick Bowe 42-1 H

#26 - Joe Calzaghe 43-0 SM *

#25 - Michael Spinks 31-1 LH

#24 - Joe Frazier 32-4-1 H

#23 - Sonny Liston 50-4 H

#22 - Shane Mosley 44-4 W *

#21 - George Foreman 75-5 H

#20 - Ronald Wright 51-4-1 M *

#19 - Manny Pacquiao 44-3-2 SF *

#18 - Mike Tyson 50-6 H

#17 - Lennox Lewis 41-2-1 H

#16 - Marco Antonio Barrera 63-5 SF *

#15 - Felix Trinidad 42-2 W

#14 - Larry Holmes 69-6 H

#13 - Thomas Hearns 61-5-1 W

#12 - Julio Cesar Chavez 108-6-2 LW

#11 - Oscar De La Hoya 38-5 LM *

#10 - Roy Jones Jr. 51-4 LH *

#9 - Bernard Hopkins 48-4-1 LH *

#8 - Floyd Mayweather Jr. 38-0 LM *

#7 - Marvin Hagler 62-3-2 M

#6 - Rocky Marciano 49-0 H

#5 - Roberto Duran 103-16 L

#4 - Ray leonard 36-3-1 W

#3 - Joe Louis 69-3 H

#2 - Ray Robinson 173-19-6 M

#1 - Muhammad Ali 56-5 H

List is so bad, there's no need for me to bad mouth it. Enough people will do that.

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Seriously Flawed list

Lets see:

#30 - Paul Williams 33-0 W ??? WTF has he done aside from beating Margarito? You put him before pep? And what about prior? Anyways, he shouldn't be there

#29 - Miguel Angel Cotto 30-0 W * Not yet P4P material. He just beat Judah and Judah ain't a P4P so what did he do to deserve this?

#28 - Jermain Taylor 27-0-1 M * That's probably the funiest thing I've seen. Taylor on a P4P all time?

#27 - Riddick Bowe 42-1 H Now I know you are not serious. What about Norton?

#26 - Joe Calzaghe 43-0 SM * Now you've lost all my respect. You put him behind De La Hoya and Trinidad? Only two words for you, 20 defenses.

I'll stop here because you're list hasn't been researched enough. Do some research and come back with a better list.

But a hint, RJJ should be before Hopkins... he beat him after all.

If you even had any creditability you would of just lost it. Good thing for you, you don't have any.

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Hey dude, are YOU saying I don't have credibility because you know me? or because of the number of posts I have? Either way, your credibility check failed.

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Hey dude, are YOU saying I don't have credibility because you know me? or because of the number of posts I have? Either way, your credibility check failed.

No you failed it. You put Calzaghe ahead of De La Hoya and Trinidad. That shows you know nothing about boxing.

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I said, in my opinion. And no, it doesn't show I know nothing about boxing, it doesn't mean that because a fighter is not American that he is defacto not better then Trinidad.

Someone in here said that nobody today can agree on a current P4P list so I don't expect you and I to agree on everything

Plus, remember that I wasn't ripping the guy just voicing my opinion so again, I can't be wrong, it's an opinion.

If you tell me that you don't agree, fine, but saying someone doesn't have any credibility because he prefers 21 world title defenses and an undefeated record over a very unidimensional Trinidad, you are missing what a conversation should be all about.

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In my opinion, De La Hoya is viewed as an all time great because of his fame and not his accomplishments. But that's only my opinion. I just think Trinidad and De La Hoya are too high on the list.

De la hoya got his fame because of his accomplishments... seriously, can;t beliebe i have to explain this...

You think he had fame for doing fuck all? or coz of his golden smile?

this is a guy with one of the greatest resumes in the histroy of boxing... yes he did lose, but never with a total beat down, shit even at middleweight he kept it close with hopkins untill the 'stoppage' there was a time people when people were doubting the golden boy and questioning him for his lack of meaningfull fights - he threatend to leave his then promotor unles they started matching him with better fighters... he then went on from there fight some of the hardest consecutive fights in the history of boxing, he has mixed it with just about every great in his weight and eara possible... THATS HOW HE GOT HIS FAME

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Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)

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I said, in my opinion. And no, it doesn't show I know nothing about boxing, it doesn't mean that because a fighter is not American that he is defacto not better then Trinidad.

Someone in here said that nobody today can agree on a current P4P list so I don't expect you and I to agree on everything

Plus, remember that I wasn't ripping the guy just voicing my opinion so again, I can't be wrong, it's an opinion.

If you tell me that you don't agree, fine, but saying someone doesn't have any credibility because he prefers 21 world title defenses and an undefeated record over a very unidimensional Trinidad, you are missing what a conversation should be all about.

Im english and i totally disagree forgetting how many title defences Joe Calzaghe has all you have to do is look at there best wins.

Joe Calzaghe

Chris Eubank weight drained shot one
Richie Woodhall
Jeff Lacy
Charlers Brewer
Byron Mitchell
Mario Veight
Robin Reid

Felix Trinidad

Maurice Blocker
William Joppy
Oscar Delahoya
Pernell Whitaker shot one
Ricardo Mayorga
Fernando Vargas
David Reid
Luis Ramon Campas

Also Welterweight, Lightmiddleweight, Middleweight, champion of the world

Oscar Delahoya

Ricardo Mayorga
Arturo Gatti
Pernell Whitaker bit past his best
Ike Quartey
Luis Ramon Campas
Oba Carr
Fernando Vargas
Julio Cesar Chavez
Wilfredo Rivera
Hector Camacho
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Jesse James Leija
Genaro Hernandez
Rafael Ruelas
John John Molina

Also again Superfeatherweight, Lightweight, Lightwelterweight, Welterweight, Lightmiddleweight, Middleweight, champion of the world this isn't even debatable.

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Ok Ice Cold, point taken. I'll give in. Though, Chavez was shot when he fought DLH and so was Camacho.

But I still think, even after your demonstration, that Calzaghe should be in front of Trinidad. We'll see after Kessler and Hopkins.

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The original list was flawed because it lacked legitimate historical perspective.
As far as where current fighters will list,you wont really have an honest assesment until about 10 years after theyre retired.
Thats why Joe stepped up to take the Kessler fight,he knows he's fighting to have a legacy now,not just a belt

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I said, in my opinion. And no, it doesn't show I know nothing about boxing, it doesn't mean that because a fighter is not American that he is defacto not better then Trinidad.

Someone in here said that nobody today can agree on a current P4P list so I don't expect you and I to agree on everything

Plus, remember that I wasn't ripping the guy just voicing my opinion so again, I can't be wrong, it's an opinion.

If you tell me that you don't agree, fine, but saying someone doesn't have any credibility because he prefers 21 world title defenses and an undefeated record over a very unidimensional Trinidad, you are missing what a conversation should be all about.

Your going by numbers that don't tell the no where near the whole story. Calzaghe 21 defenses is a bogus record. Not only was he defending the low budget crappy ass title that is the WBO. But he defended it against 16 bums, 3 shot fighters, an overrated fighter and 1 prime fighter. And your impressed with that? Artur Grigorian defended the same crappy ass WBO title (Lightweight version) 17 times. And retired with a record of 37-1. You probably think he's and all time great as well, huh?

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Ali over SRRobinson? ???

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Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)

manny paquiao?

pac is ahead of oscar on the all time list? shit pac has done well but beating a shot morales twice and barrera once is bollox

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Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)

manny paquiao?

pac is ahead of oscar on the all time list? S*** pac has done well but beating a shot morales twice and barrera once is bollox

I think Pac won more crucial competitive fights than Oscar did.

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Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)

manny paquiao?

pac is ahead of oscar on the all time list? S*** pac has done well but beating a shot morales twice and barrera once is bollox

I think Pac won more crucial competitive fights than Oscar did.

Let's no get carried away now

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Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)

manny paquiao?

pac is ahead of oscar on the all time list? S*** pac has done well but beating a shot morales twice and barrera once is bollox

I think Pac won more crucial competitive fights than Oscar did.

Please explain...............

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Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)

manny paquiao?

pac is ahead of oscar on the all time list? S*** pac has done well but beating a shot morales twice and barrera once is bollox

I think Pac won more crucial competitive fights than Oscar did.

Let's no get carried away now

Well, he was the chick magnet back in his prime. Oscar won against down the hill JCC, a runner against Trinindad, lost crucial fights with B-hop (massive liver shot), Mosley twice, PBF. Won against punk asses Vargas and Mayorga.

That's pretty much the highlights of his career. :-\

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Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)

manny paquiao?

pac is ahead of oscar on the all time list? S*** pac has done well but beating a shot morales twice and barrera once is bollox

I think Pac won more crucial competitive fights than Oscar did.

Let's no get carried away now

Well, he was the chick magnet back in his prime. Oscar won against down the hill JCC, a runner against Trinindad, lost crucial fights with B-hop (massive liver shot), Mosley twice, PBF. Won against punk asses Vargas and Mayorga.

That's pretty much the highlights of his career. :-\

OK now compare that with PAC.............

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Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)

manny paquiao?

pac is ahead of oscar on the all time list? S*** pac has done well but beating a shot morales twice and barrera once is bollox

I think Pac won more crucial competitive fights than Oscar did.

Let's no get carried away now

Well, he was the chick magnet back in his prime. Oscar won against down the hill JCC, a runner against Trinindad, lost crucial fights with B-hop (massive liver shot), Mosley twice, PBF. Won against punk asses Vargas and Mayorga.

That's pretty much the highlights of his career. :-\

lol hopkins? shit if he got taken out in the first round i wudnt care, oscare started winning world titles 5 weights lower than that!

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Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)

manny paquiao?

pac is ahead of oscar on the all time list? S*** pac has done well but beating a shot morales twice and barrera once is bollox

I think Pac won more crucial competitive fights than Oscar did.

Let's no get carried away now

Well, he was the chick magnet back in his prime. Oscar won against down the hill JCC, a runner against Trinindad, lost crucial fights with B-hop (massive liver shot), Mosley twice, PBF. Won against punk asses Vargas and Mayorga.

That's pretty much the highlights of his career. :-\

I guess them wins over Whitaker, Ruelas, Leija, Carr, Hernandez don't mean much

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Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)

manny paquiao?

pac is ahead of oscar on the all time list? S*** pac has done well but beating a shot morales twice and barrera once is bollox

I think Pac won more crucial competitive fights than Oscar did.

Let's no get carried away now

Well, he was the chick magnet back in his prime. Oscar won against down the hill JCC, a runner against Trinindad, lost crucial fights with B-hop (massive liver shot), Mosley twice, PBF. Won against punk asses Vargas and Mayorga.

That's pretty much the highlights of his career. :-\

I guess them wins over Whitaker, Ruelas, Leija, Carr, Hernandez don't mean much

nop 'coz he lost a couple of times to some of the best p4p fighters at the time and ov all time... and even they were razor thin losses (hopkins excluded) it tarnishes his record...

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Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)

manny paquiao?

pac is ahead of oscar on the all time list? S*** pac has done well but beating a shot morales twice and barrera once is bollox

I think Pac won more crucial competitive fights than Oscar did.

Let's no get carried away now

Well, he was the chick magnet back in his prime. Oscar won against down the hill JCC, a runner against Trinindad, lost crucial fights with B-hop (massive liver shot), Mosley twice, PBF. Won against punk asses Vargas and Mayorga.

That's pretty much the highlights of his career. :-\

I guess them wins over Whitaker, Ruelas, Leija, Carr, Hernandez don't mean much

nop 'coz he lost a couple of times to some of the best p4p fighters at the time and ov all time... and even they were razor thin losses (hopkins excluded) it tarnishes his record...

As long as we all agree that Rustico Torrecampo and Medgoen Singsurat (who both KOed PAC) are p4p better than everyone that beat ODLH hands down, i think we will have consensus ::**

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Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)

manny paquiao?

pac is ahead of oscar on the all time list? S*** pac has done well but beating a shot morales twice and barrera once is bollox

I think Pac won more crucial competitive fights than Oscar did.

Let's no get carried away now

Well, he was the chick magnet back in his prime. Oscar won against down the hill JCC, a runner against Trinindad, lost crucial fights with B-hop (massive liver shot), Mosley twice, PBF. Won against punk asses Vargas and Mayorga.

That's pretty much the highlights of his career. :-\

If Pacquiao is higher on the list how come De La Hoya vs Mayweather's PPV buys for that one fight doubled that of the whole Pacquiao vs Morales trilogy? I could take a guess and say it was something he did in the past like win titles in 6 different weight classes. Oscar has also faced much better opposition than Manny. To put Pacquiao and Calzaghe over De La Hoya is nuts. Calzaghe is moving in the right direction fighting Kessler but he needs to get on a boat, fly a plane do whatever to get to the states to fight better opposition. And Manny he's got plenty ways to go before he's even considered to be on the level of a De La Hoya.

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Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)

manny paquiao?

pac is ahead of oscar on the all time list? S*** pac has done well but beating a shot morales twice and barrera once is bollox

I think Pac won more crucial competitive fights than Oscar did.

Let's no get carried away now

Well, he was the chick magnet back in his prime. Oscar won against down the hill JCC, a runner against Trinindad, lost crucial fights with B-hop (massive liver shot), Mosley twice, PBF. Won against punk asses Vargas and Mayorga.

That's pretty much the highlights of his career. :-\

I guess them wins over Whitaker, Ruelas, Leija, Carr, Hernandez don't mean much

nop 'coz he lost a couple of times to some of the best p4p fighters at the time and ov all time... and even they were razor thin losses (hopkins excluded) it tarnishes his record...

As long as we all agree that Rustico Torrecampo and Medgoen Singsurat (who both KOed PAC) are p4p better than everyone that beat ODLH hands down, i think we will have consensus ::**

hahahah

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Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)

manny paquiao?

pac is ahead of oscar on the all time list? S*** pac has done well but beating a shot morales twice and barrera once is bollox

I think Pac won more crucial competitive fights than Oscar did.

Let's no get carried away now

Well, he was the chick magnet back in his prime. Oscar won against down the hill JCC, a runner against Trinindad, lost crucial fights with B-hop (massive liver shot), Mosley twice, PBF. Won against punk asses Vargas and Mayorga.

That's pretty much the highlights of his career. :-\

I guess them wins over Whitaker, Ruelas, Leija, Carr, Hernandez don't mean much

nop 'coz he lost a couple of times to some of the best p4p fighters at the time and ov all time... and even they were razor thin losses (hopkins excluded) it tarnishes his record...

Since when do close losses and a lost to a much bigger man tarnish some ones record? Either way, Oscar should be ranked ahead of Pac no matter what. And if you disagree than you know a lot less about boxing than I taught you did

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Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)

manny paquiao?

pac is ahead of oscar on the all time list? S*** pac has done well but beating a shot morales twice and barrera once is bollox

I think Pac won more crucial competitive fights than Oscar did.

Let's no get carried away now

Well, he was the chick magnet back in his prime. Oscar won against down the hill JCC, a runner against Trinindad, lost crucial fights with B-hop (massive liver shot), Mosley twice, PBF. Won against punk asses Vargas and Mayorga.

That's pretty much the highlights of his career. :-\

I guess them wins over Whitaker, Ruelas, Leija, Carr, Hernandez don't mean much

nop 'coz he lost a couple of times to some of the best p4p fighters at the time and ov all time... and even they were razor thin losses (hopkins excluded) it tarnishes his record...

Since when do close losses and a lost to a much bigger man tarnish some ones record? Either way, Oscar should be ranked ahead of Pac no matter what. And if you disagree than you know a lot less about boxing than I taught you did

yeah its called :sarcasm: eesh killer got it...

i would of thought the fact i already defended oscar over pac would of tipped you off tho... (it's ok i'll pm you next time ther eis sarcasm on the board to give you a heads up mate)

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Lol you guys scared all the pacquiao and calzaghe supporters away from the thread. :P

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Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)

manny paquiao?

pac is ahead of oscar on the all time list? S*** pac has done well but beating a shot morales twice and barrera once is bollox

I think Pac won more crucial competitive fights than Oscar did.

Let's no get carried away now

Well, he was the chick magnet back in his prime. Oscar won against down the hill JCC, a runner against Trinindad, lost crucial fights with B-hop (massive liver shot), Mosley twice, PBF. Won against punk asses Vargas and Mayorga.

That's pretty much the highlights of his career. :-\

I guess them wins over Whitaker, Ruelas, Leija, Carr, Hernandez don't mean much

nop 'coz he lost a couple of times to some of the best p4p fighters at the time and ov all time... and even they were razor thin losses (hopkins excluded) it tarnishes his record...

Since when do close losses and a lost to a much bigger man tarnish some ones record? Either way, Oscar should be ranked ahead of Pac no matter what. And if you disagree than you know a lot less about boxing than I taught you did

yeah its called :sarcasm: eesh killer got it...

i would of thought the fact i already defended oscar over pac would of tipped you off tho... (it's ok i'll pm you next time ther eis sarcasm on the board to give you a heads up mate)

Wrong poster. I taught the quote was from Pacstraightleft not you. Most of the words were spelled right. I guess that's what threw me off. My mistake.

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Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)

manny paquiao?

pac is ahead of oscar on the all time list? S*** pac has done well but beating a shot morales twice and barrera once is bollox

I think Pac won more crucial competitive fights than Oscar did.

Let's no get carried away now

Well, he was the chick magnet back in his prime. Oscar won against down the hill JCC, a runner against Trinindad, lost crucial fights with B-hop (massive liver shot), Mosley twice, PBF. Won against punk asses Vargas and Mayorga.

That's pretty much the highlights of his career. :-\

I guess them wins over Whitaker, Ruelas, Leija, Carr, Hernandez don't mean much

nop 'coz he lost a couple of times to some of the best p4p fighters at the time and ov all time... and even they were razor thin losses (hopkins excluded) it tarnishes his record...

Since when do close losses and a lost to a much bigger man tarnish some ones record? Either way, Oscar should be ranked ahead of Pac no matter what. And if you disagree than you know a lot less about boxing than I taught you did

yeah its called :sarcasm: eesh killer got it...

i would of thought the fact i already defended oscar over pac would of tipped you off tho... (it's ok i'll pm you next time ther eis sarcasm on the board to give you a heads up mate)

Wrong poster. I taught the quote was from Pacstraightleft not you. Most of the words were spelled right. I guess that's what threw me off. My mistake.

nice one jack...

alot of my spelling mistakes are down to mainly typos (some i just cba looking up) but bad grammer? You didn't have english lessons when you were in juvenile hall in your correctional facilities?

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Be prepared for som serious thrashing. You should do some research before putting up a list on this thread. I'll give you a little help. With the exception of Roy Jones jr and Floyd Maywether Jr. Get rid of all the guys with an asterisks(*) next to it. And that includes Paul Williams whom you forgot to mark as an active fighter.

As much as I agree that the original list was lacking the historical perspective (and that the Paul Williams inclusion looks like a joke), I am just wondering if you actually think that RJJ and PBF are the only active fighters worthy of an all time top 30 p4p?

Now, I dont have the historical knowledge, nor perhaps enough boxing knowledge in general, needed to make such a list (and if I did, I definitely wouldnt have the balls to put it online!). So I am asking in all honesty and curiosity, not because I wanna convince people of any particular opinion, but how about, say, these people:

- Bernard Hopkins
- Felix Trinidad
- James Toney
- Oscar de la Hoya
- Shane Mosley
- Evander Holyfield

Who would fare on a top 30 based on current merits? None? Others?

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Be prepared for som serious thrashing. You should do some research before putting up a list on this thread. I'll give you a little help. With the exception of Roy Jones jr and Floyd Maywether Jr. Get rid of all the guys with an asterisks(*) next to it. And that includes Paul Williams whom you forgot to mark as an active fighter.

As much as I agree that the original list was lacking the historical perspective (and that the Paul Williams inclusion looks like a joke), I am just wondering if you actually think that RJJ and PBF are the only active fighters worthy of an all time top 30 p4p?

Now, I dont have the historical knowledge, nor perhaps enough boxing knowledge in general, needed to make such a list (and if I did, I definitely wouldnt have the balls to put it online!). So I am asking in all honesty and curiosity, not because I wanna convince people of any particular opinion, but how about, say, these people:

- Bernard Hopkins
- Felix Trinidad
- James Toney
- Oscar de la Hoya
- Shane Mosley
- Evander Holyfield

Who would fare on a top 30 based on current merits? None? Others?

To tell you the trueth. I would never do an all time great P4P list. P4P lists in general are a hassle cuz they are just too subjective. Add to that an all time list and it just becomes a big headaik.

To give an example of how tough this is I'll give you an example. Lets look at Trinidad and DLH, if I was doing an all time ww list I would place Trinidad over DLH. If I did an all time P4P I would put DLH over Trinidad. There are just too many things to take into consideration on these types of lists.

With that said, I think all those guys would make top 50 easy. Top 30 might be a bit high for some of them. B-Hop should be up there, don't know about the rest.