Two junior welter title fights: Witter-Harris and Holt-Torres

Coming up in the next two weeks-neither on TV which sucks but is besides the point

I still don't know that much about Witter, I've never seen him live and have only been able to download a couple of his fights. I don't know who will win but Witter is most likely somewhat less of a dumbass than Harris. Have to go with Witter on the basis that Vivian is stupid.

Holt-Torres, I've always said Cotto's recklessness in their fight made Torres look better than he is and I think he looked pretty crappy against Arnaoutis. Holt has been impressive the last two times out but both guys I think were a bit made for him. I still think he has a shaky chin although he's been impressive and he's definitely a very athletically talented guy and pretty skilled. I'm going with Holt by stoppage although two things worry me: his chin (along with Torres power) and the fact that the fights in Colombia, who knows if the judging will be impartial. It could easily be that but you never know.

So, predictions? Anybody care about the fights.

Witter-Harris: Harris was beaten by Maussa, Witter is almost certainly better than Maussa so therefore Witter will win. But we all no boxing doesn't always work out like that. I like Vivian Harris, he's got a solid jab, goos speed but I have to question his punch and his chin. He usually struggles with guys who get up in his face, cause him problems and make him focus alot more than he would like too.
This is the ultimate antithesis of Witter who stays on the outside and then comes in with flurries and keeps his jab moving. The one man too beat Witter is Zab Judah who isn't disimilar to Vivian Harris. Styles make fights and I'd take Harris to win by UD.

Holt-Torres: Most people I have spoken too are backing Holt in this and they have good reasons too. He looked excellent against Isaac Hlatshwayo and Mike Arnaoutis. After putting Hlatshwayo down 3 times and TKOing David Diaz many people would be forgiven for thinking Holt is a puncher but he is certainly not having only KOed 12 out of 22 opponents and many of this opponents who have survived the distance like Andre Trunov (8-3-0), John Trigg (11-23-5) and Juan Carlos Escobar (3-2-5) had far from impressive records when he fought them. He is a bit loose with the blows below the belt, isn't a great finisher and has a suspect chin.

Torres' exposure came from flooring Miguel Cotto and despite not being as good as he looked there he is still a good fighter. He packs a good punch but not as good as his padded record suggests. His only loss has come against an elite fighter (Cotto). If Torres uses his hand speed it is very effective but sometimes makes amateurish mistakes and leaves his chin open in search of the big shot.

Here i'd back Torres to win by a late TKO.

My opinion on these fights is..... come to think about it, I have none. I really don't care what happends in these fights one way or another. Thats not excactly true. I hope Witter loses so I can stop reading about him.

I'm going Witter late TKO round 8 and also Holt win UD.

Harris will gas out a little and then catch a second air around the 6th, 7th round I think Witter or his corner will seee this and take advantage of this in the 8th where he will be gased out again.

Holt I think is far more skilled then Torres and I think Holt will do what Arnoutis couldn't finish. Holt will be a bit to slick for Torres and will counter him all night.

When Witter fought Judah he was a mere noive that took the fight on about a few days notice. He did not do himself any favours by running like a thief in the night for 36 minutes though.

Witter's stanima is questionable also in my view but I think Witter will pull this one out.

2 title fights that will make absolutley no difference to the top man at 140

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2 title fights that will make absolutley no difference to the top man at 140

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You must mean assuming Hatton isn't in fact sent into retirement when Floyd whips him..

I am indeed assuming that IF Floyd whips Hatton he will not retire.

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I am indeed assuming that IF Floyd whips Hatton he will not retire.

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Didn't really mean to be smart about it, it's just that since Hatton is techinically fighting Floyd at welterweight, if he were to win he has the ring belt there and that's where the money fights are... I guess it is likely he'll move back down to 140 even if he were to pull it off though.

witter lwins late stopage
holt wins but it be close

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I am indeed assuming that IF Floyd whips Hatton he will not retire.

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Didn't really mean to be smart about it, it's just that since Hatton is techinically fighting Floyd at welterweight, if he were to win he has the ring belt there and that's where the money fights are... I guess it is likely he'll move back down to 140 even if he were to pull it off though.

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Win or loose im pretty sure its Oscar at 147, then after that, do you think he will go back down? Depends on what of fans over in the States he makes after these two huge fights, because he is earning like £7 million for the Floyd fight, do you think he will want to go fight Torres or Witter for like 1.5/2 million?

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I am indeed assuming that IF Floyd whips Hatton he will not retire.

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Didn't really mean to be smart about it, it's just that since Hatton is techinically fighting Floyd at welterweight, if he were to win he has the ring belt there and that's where the money fights are... I guess it is likely he'll move back down to 140 even if he were to pull it off though.

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i bin wondering this myself


if Hatton was to win then surely he'll stay at welter ???

As u said the moni fights are here ad he;ll have he belt
guess we'll just have to see what happens
but no doubt Whinger Witter will say that by going up a weight and staying there Hatoon dodged him ::**

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

I am indeed assuming that IF Floyd whips Hatton he will not retire.

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Didn't really mean to be smart about it, it's just that since Hatton is techinically fighting Floyd at welterweight, if he were to win he has the ring belt there and that's where the money fights are... I guess it is likely he'll move back down to 140 even if he were to pull it off though.

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Win or loose im pretty sure its Oscar at 147, then after that, do you think he will go back down? Depends on what of fans over in the States he makes after these two huge fights, because he is earning like £7 million for the Floyd fight, do you think he will want to go fight Torres or Witter for like 1.5/2 million?

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£7 million will be his biggest pay.He has no other choice but to go down and fight other fighter whose matchups with him will be less lucrative.

If there is a god and he's smiling on me, Witter will get brutally KO'ed in round 1.

I pick Torres to pull out a split decision over Holt. That's a toss up for me though.

Harris by knock out. Holt on points

I think Witter wins by decision. But if Harris comes in anywhere close to his best it'll be a tough fight. I still think Harris has got something left & wouldn't be at all surprised at an upset.

Holt maybe one of the best fighters in the division IMO. I think he schools Torres. I'd love to see Holt vs Malinaggi... would be a fight for the boxing purists!

What I'd love to happen......

Torres by KO
Harris by first round KO

What I think will happen........

Witter UD (in one of the most boring fights of all time)
Holt UD

I think Harris will win this - he must have been suicidal about the way he lost the WBA belt in the first place, and he's had a couple of years in boxing exile because of it (Ricky Hatton rated Harris highly and challeneged him, whereas Witter he has never rated)

To explain, he lost to Mausa through KO and he looked hopeless, but apparantly he came into the fight several pounds underweight, and had done a 5 or 10 mile run or something daft before he entered the ring

Think he went completely mad, and Maussa who is nothing special at all made him look an idiot (which in fact he was)

I think Harris will be desperate to show what he can do when he is on form, and Witter is the unfortunate victim in the firing line who is gonna get sparked

Never seen Holt so cant say, but from what youve been saying he looks the one I would pick.

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Witter-Harris: Harris was beaten by Maussa, Witter is almost certainly better than Maussa so therefore Witter will win. But we all no boxing doesn't always work out like that. I like Vivian Harris, he's got a solid jab, goos speed but I have to question his punch and his chin. He usually struggles with guys who get up in his face, cause him problems and make him focus alot more than he would like too.
This is the ultimate antithesis of Witter who stays on the outside and then comes in with flurries and keeps his jab moving. The one man too beat Witter is Zab Judah who isn't disimilar to Vivian Harris. Styles make fights and I'd take Harris to win by UD.

Holt-Torres: Most people I have spoken too are backing Holt in this and they have good reasons too. He looked excellent against Isaac Hlatshwayo and Mike Arnaoutis. After putting Hlatshwayo down 3 times and TKOing David Diaz many people would be forgiven for thinking Holt is a puncher but he is certainly not having only KOed 12 out of 22 opponents and many of this opponents who have survived the distance like Andre Trunov (8-3-0), John Trigg (11-23-5) and Juan Carlos Escobar (3-2-5) had far from impressive records when he fought them. He is a bit loose with the blows below the belt, isn't a great finisher and has a suspect chin.

Torres' exposure came from flooring Miguel Cotto and despite not being as good as he looked there he is still a good fighter. He packs a good punch but not as good as his padded record suggests. His only loss has come against an elite fighter (Cotto). If Torres uses his hand speed it is very effective but sometimes makes amateurish mistakes and leaves his chin open in search of the big shot.

Here i'd back Torres to win by a late TKO.

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Holt's a solid puncher, not a great puncher but he's definitely not featherfisted. And because of his speed the other guy has to worry about getting caught with something he doesn't see.

I just don't see much in Torres, in a rematch Cotto would have adjusted and hammered him. Of course I guess its possible that for whatever reason Torres would always be rough for Cotto, but I think it had a lot to do with Cotto being reckless and impatient.

But its not like I think its a lock, Holt seems chinny and Torres obviously has some power. Anything can happen there.

CC for the topic Pumafan,I think most,including me,forgot about these fights!Amazing how quickly things change,1-2 years ago,140 was a hotbed of talent!! I favour Holt over Torres but Torres power keeps him in the fight and isnt the fight in Columbia? As for Witter Harris,I have no idea but I think the loser will drop down the pecking order big time.