Would LEWIS come out of retirment to box Bowe

Hes the one champ he never got to box. 2 days in the gym and he would be ready for Bowe.

Lewis is probably well past it at that point and bowe isn't gonna be considered an important win if lewis fought him and beat him.

He did box him in the oly's. Destroyed him. Result would be the same in the pros

no he is retired - end of

its annoying looking back isn't it that this is one fight we never got to see - as a big fight fan this is probably in my top 3 in disappointments of fights we never got to see due to boxing politics.

Eubank Benn III is right up with it too >:mad

Lewis isn't coming back to fight anybody......for any reason.

I agree with Mar.....

Lennox ain't commin back! He is past the fact Riddick Bowe didn't want to fight him. Besides Lennox would destroy his fat sloppy a$$

Lennox is definatly past it, but hes not half as far gone as Bowe is. If this fight were to happen, it would be a sad day for boxing. Bowe shouldn't be anywhere near a ring anymore, and he'd more than likely end up taking a beating and getting KO'd by an over-the-hill Lennox. And for what? It would mean absolutely nothing. A showdown between Prime Bowe and Lennox would have been a great HW fight, two huge guys with a great skillset going at it to see who was #1 of that time. But it never happened, that ship sailed almost 15 years ago. It'll be forever known as one of the great fights that just didn't happen.

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Lennox is definatly past it, but hes not half as far gone as Bowe is. If this fight were to happen, it would be a sad day for boxing. Bowe shouldn't be anywhere near a ring anymore, and he'd more than likely end up taking a beating and getting KO'd by an over-the-hill Lennox. And for what? It would mean absolutely nothing. A showdown between Prime Bowe and Lennox would have been a great HW fight, two huge guys with a great skillset going at it to see who was #1 of that time. But it never happened, that ship sailed almost 15 years ago. It'll be forever known as one of the great fights that just didn't happen.

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It would never have happened as Bowe just didn't want to fight Lennox, preferring to throw his belt in the bin than accept Lewis as his mandatory.

Lewis would have given him a beatdown and he knows it.

Against top opposition Lewis was always well prepared and impeccable. I reckon he would have knocked Bowe out.

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no he is retired - end of

its annoying looking back isn't it that this is one fight we never got to see - as a big fight fan this is probably in my top 3 in disappointments of fights we never got to see due to boxing politics.

Eubank Benn III is right up with it too >:mad

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It wasn't politics that prevented this fight, it was Chicken Bowe.

They could have circumvented the politics & just fought if Bowe wanted to.

He did it with Holyfield the 3rd time round, presumably because he thought Holyfield was no threat.

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no he is retired - end of

its annoying looking back isn't it that this is one fight we never got to see - as a big fight fan this is probably in my top 3 in disappointments of fights we never got to see due to boxing politics.

Eubank Benn III is right up with it too >:mad

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It wasn't politics that prevented this fight, it was Chicken Bowe.

They could have circumvented the politics & just fought if Bowe wanted to.

He did it with Holyfield the 3rd time round, presumably because he thought Holyfield was no threat.

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I don't see Bowe being any more keen to make a fight with Lewis now than he was back then, it was an almost certain beatdown back then....and it still is now. Not that Lewis is coming out of retirement, he's a smart guy and doesn't need the money, and realises he doesn't need to do it for his legacy.

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Lennox is definatly past it, but hes not half as far gone as Bowe is. If this fight were to happen, it would be a sad day for boxing. Bowe shouldn't be anywhere near a ring anymore, and he'd more than likely end up taking a beating and getting KO'd by an over-the-hill Lennox. And for what? It would mean absolutely nothing. A showdown between Prime Bowe and Lennox would have been a great HW fight, two huge guys with a great skillset going at it to see who was #1 of that time. But it never happened, that ship sailed almost 15 years ago. It'll be forever known as one of the great fights that just didn't happen.

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It would never have happened as Bowe just didn't want to fight Lennox, preferring to throw his belt in the bin than accept Lewis as his mandatory.

Lewis would have given him a beatdown and he knows it.

Against top opposition Lewis was always well prepared and impeccable. I reckon he would have knocked Bowe out.

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Actually Bilbo they were going to fight if Lewis beat McCall but we all know what happened McCall upset Lewis was on comeback trail and he didn't look that great vs Ray Mercer struggling and winning controversial decision and by the time Lewis had gotten back on top Bowe was already finished and i don't think Lewis would destroy Bowe as easy as your saying either Lewis had struggles with lesser men than Bowe aka Mercer, Bruno, Briggs,

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Lennox is definatly past it, but hes not half as far gone as Bowe is. If this fight were to happen, it would be a sad day for boxing. Bowe shouldn't be anywhere near a ring anymore, and he'd more than likely end up taking a beating and getting KO'd by an over-the-hill Lennox. And for what? It would mean absolutely nothing. A showdown between Prime Bowe and Lennox would have been a great HW fight, two huge guys with a great skillset going at it to see who was #1 of that time. But it never happened, that ship sailed almost 15 years ago. It'll be forever known as one of the great fights that just didn't happen.

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It would never have happened as Bowe just didn't want to fight Lennox, preferring to throw his belt in the bin than accept Lewis as his mandatory.

Lewis would have given him a beatdown and he knows it.

Against top opposition Lewis was always well prepared and impeccable. I reckon he would have knocked Bowe out.

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Actually Bilbo they were going to fight if Lewis beat McCall but we all know what happened McCall upset Lewis was on comeback trail and he didn't look that great vs Ray Mercer struggling and winning controversial decision and by the time Lewis had gotten back on top Bowe was already finished and i don't think Lewis would destroy Bowe as easy as your saying either Lewis had struggles with lesser men than Bowe aka Mercer, Bruno, Briggs,

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one word .....

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Lennox is definatly past it, but hes not half as far gone as Bowe is. If this fight were to happen, it would be a sad day for boxing. Bowe shouldn't be anywhere near a ring anymore, and he'd more than likely end up taking a beating and getting KO'd by an over-the-hill Lennox. And for what? It would mean absolutely nothing. A showdown between Prime Bowe and Lennox would have been a great HW fight, two huge guys with a great skillset going at it to see who was #1 of that time. But it never happened, that ship sailed almost 15 years ago. It'll be forever known as one of the great fights that just didn't happen.

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It would never have happened as Bowe just didn't want to fight Lennox, preferring to throw his belt in the bin than accept Lewis as his mandatory.

Lewis would have given him a beatdown and he knows it.

Against top opposition Lewis was always well prepared and impeccable. I reckon he would have knocked Bowe out.

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Actually Bilbo they were going to fight if Lewis beat McCall but we all know what happened McCall upset Lewis was on comeback trail and he didn't look that great vs Ray Mercer struggling and winning controversial decision and by the time Lewis had gotten back on top Bowe was already finished and i don't think Lewis would destroy Bowe as easy as your saying either Lewis had struggles with lesser men than Bowe aka Mercer, Bruno, Briggs,

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I didn't see your reply mate.

Am I the only one whos noticed the following:

Vargas vs. Mayorga
RJJ vs. Tito
Holyfield vs. anyone
Tua vs. anyone
Now Lewis vs. Bowe

Dear god have mercy on us...

Dam shame it never happened in the early 90's but after bowe had his 2 consecutive fights with Golota he was finished, well hey we all know it hurts to be hit in the nuts!!!
Never mind Lewis coming out of retirement he could send his mum to kick Bowe's fat ass !!!

No.

Lewis will stay retired for two reasons, the same reasons he retired in the first place.

WLAD and VITALI

Vital lost the fight with lewis and lewis was a old man when they fought and he stays retired because he is a old man now to

why think this aint bowe brain mest up

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Vital lost the fight with lewis and lewis was a old man when they fought and he stays retired because he is a old man now to

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And as we all know, stopped on cuts is a good reason to never fight them again. ???

when you are going to be 40 it is a good reason to stop fighting so yea lewis made a good choice he is old and now he can enjoy retirement vitial lost and should let it go and move on not keep asking a guyy who is not 42 to come out of retirement and fight him

i meant to say now 42 years of age i messed up on my spelling my bad

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i meant to say now 42 years of age i messed up on my spelling my bad

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Lewis has been inactive and at 42 his career is done. Hopkins has kept his momentum going by staying active. Lewis will not have a successful comeback if it happened.

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Lewis will stay retired for two reasons, the same reasons he retired in the first place.

WLAD and VITALI

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he strugled yes and got old that night

but the record book reads Lennox Lewis TKO6 Vitali Klitschko (might have been 7, can't remember)

And he had just started to make inroads in that fight - lets face it Vitali's face was cut to shit.

Coming back to the ring will not do any good for Lewis. It will not prove anything.

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Lewis will stay retired for two reasons, the same reasons he retired in the first place.

WLAD and VITALI

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he strugled yes and got old that night

but the record book reads Lennox Lewis TKO6 Vitali Klitschko (might have been 7, can't remember)

And he had just started to make inroads in that fight - lets face it Vitali's face was cut to S***.

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Exactly a prime Vitali Klitschko couldn't beat a 38 year old Lennox so would never beat him prime for prime.
Vitali lost cos of cut's and Lewis' punches caused the cuts. Lennox would have stopped Vitali in the 7th if it had gone on.

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Lewis will stay retired for two reasons, the same reasons he retired in the first place.

WLAD and VITALI

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And it's lucky for WLAD and VITALI that IKE IBEABUCHI went to prison cos he would have ended their careers.

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Lewis will stay retired for two reasons, the same reasons he retired in the first place.

WLAD and VITALI

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And it\'s lucky for WLAD and VITALI that IKE IBEABUCHI went to prison cos he would have ended their careers.

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No doubt. Ike would of ruined both of them

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Lewis will stay retired for two reasons, the same reasons he retired in the first place.

WLAD and VITALI

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he strugled yes and got old that night

but the record book reads Lennox Lewis TKO6 Vitali Klitschko (might have been 7, can't remember)

And he had just started to make inroads in that fight - lets face it Vitali's face was cut to S***.

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Exactly a prime Vitali Klitschko couldn't beat a 38 year old Lennox so would never beat him prime for prime.
Vitali lost cos of cut's and Lewis' punches caused the cuts. Lennox would have stopped Vitali in the 7th if it had gone on.

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So I take it that you and Mark TKO are always satisfied with the outcome when a fight is stopped early on cuts and the scorecards show the other fighter winning at the time of stoppage. No need for a rematch? Personally, I don't think so.

I have to agree with Ibeabuchi doing some major damage in the HW division. I was watching USA's Tuesday Night Fights (no longer on tv) when he destroyed one of my favorite fighters, Chris Byrd.

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Lewis will stay retired for two reasons, the same reasons he retired in the first place.

WLAD and VITALI

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he strugled yes and got old that night

but the record book reads Lennox Lewis TKO6 Vitali Klitschko (might have been 7, can't remember)

And he had just started to make inroads in that fight - lets face it Vitali's face was cut to S***.

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Exactly a prime Vitali Klitschko couldn't beat a 38 year old Lennox so would never beat him prime for prime.
Vitali lost cos of cut's and Lewis' punches caused the cuts. Lennox would have stopped Vitali in the 7th if it had gone on.

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So I take it that you and Mark TKO are always satisfied with the outcome when a fight is stopped early on cuts and the scorecards show the other fighter winning at the time of stoppage. No need for a rematch? Personally, I don't think so.

I have to agree with Ibeabuchi doing some major damage in the HW division. I was watching USA's Tuesday Night Fights (no longer on tv) when he destroyed one of my favorite fighters, Chris Byrd.

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Lennox realised he wasn't as good as he once was and did the sensible thing and retired- and all credit to him or would you like him to be like Muhammad Ali and keep fighting way past his best and getting seriously injured?
Lennox won the fight it's as simple as that, if Vitali couldn't KO an oldman then that's his fault.

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Lewis will stay retired for two reasons, the same reasons he retired in the first place.

WLAD and VITALI

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he strugled yes and got old that night

but the record book reads Lennox Lewis TKO6 Vitali Klitschko (might have been 7, can\'t remember)

And he had just started to make inroads in that fight - lets face it Vitali\'s face was cut to S***.

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Exactly a prime Vitali Klitschko couldn\'t beat a 38 year old Lennox so would never beat him prime for prime.
Vitali lost cos of cut\'s and Lewis\' punches caused the cuts. Lennox would have stopped Vitali in the 7th if it had gone on.

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So I take it that you and Mark TKO are always satisfied with the outcome when a fight is stopped early on cuts and the scorecards show the other fighter winning at the time of stoppage. No need for a rematch? Personally, I don\'t think so.

I have to agree with Ibeabuchi doing some major damage in the HW division. I was watching USA\'s Tuesday Night Fights (no longer on tv) when he destroyed one of my favorite fighters, Chris Byrd.

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I\'m wouldn\'t be satisfied. But Lewis-Klitschko was different. It had to be stopped, before Vitali eye fell out

Ali quit when he was 39 yrs old and had 56 fights. The competition in many peoples opinion (not mine) was better at that time so it stands to reason that he retired. Lennox on the other hand quit at 38 yrs old and had only 41 fights. The competition at that time and since then, hasn't been as good (again not my opinion) with the exception of two very good fighters, the Klitschkos. Lennox's last fight left many people believing he was well on his way to a loss before the cut and in order to prove himself, needed to fight the rematch.

Instead, he quit/retired in fear of a rematch due to the fact he would actually have to train hard in order to win decisively. He realized that Vitali was much more game than imagined and his brother was a better boxer than Lewis and would most probably win because of his heart and determination even though he just got tko'd by Sanders.

Hey Rotten, I couldn't agree with you more that it was a good stoppage. That was one of the ugliest cuts I've ever seen in a fight.

I hate when people say "if the fight had been allowed to continue......" blah blah blah. Rules are rules. That is like saying if they didn't have to use gloves Calzaghe would have lost to Bika. You have a rule that says if a cut is very substantial that the fight is stopped. The cut was substantial. check.

You also have another rule that says after 4 rounds you go to the score cards. Check.
Lewis won the fight within the rules of boxing without any foul play. That is more than I can say about alot of fights.

Lewis, having won a fight fairly and legitimately, saw that he was past his prime AND had really nothing else to prove esp. when in context of the current heavywieght situation at the time. (And currently for that matter). He did the only rational and approriate thing. For doing that, he will be considered with much higher admiration in the future for his timely departure.

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I hate when people say "if the fight had been allowed to continue......" blah blah blah. Rules are rules. That is like saying if they didn't have to use gloves Calzaghe would have lost to Bika. You have a rule that says if a cut is very substantial that the fight is stopped. The cut was substantial. check.

You also have another rule that says after 4 rounds you go to the score cards. Check.
Lewis won the fight within the rules of boxing without any foul play. That is more than I can say about alot of fights.

Lewis, having won a fight fairly and legitimately, saw that he was past his prime AND had really nothing else to prove esp. when in context of the current heavywieght situation at the time. (And currently for that matter). He did the only rational and approriate thing. For doing that, he will be considered with much higher admiration in the future for his timely departure.

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Slow down Booze, If you'd read what I'd written, I don't think for a second that the fight should have continued nor did I ever imply that Lennox cheated. As far as his retiring, I and a lot of people's opinion will always be that he left prematurely.

If you weren't necessarily replying to me, then by all means please accept my apology.

No I knew you said that it was an approriate stoppage. I was just commenting on foreseeable comments before they came.

I think we are agreeing on everything with the exception of Wladdy beating Lewis (at least within a year or so of Lewis's retirement). CC. slk123

CC'd you back cause I know we usually agree on things and I didn't want to hit a crossroads with a well known wordsmith such as yourself. Heard from Terry lately? ;D

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CC\'d you back cause I know we usually agree on things and I didn\'t want to hit a crossroads with a well known wordsmith such as yourself. Heard from Terry lately? ;D

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Terry can go take a hike. When Violent Demise coming back?

No I haven't heard from terry. I honestly think that he is a loyal Hatton forum poster and just comes on here occassionally when it is down, considering he has so few posts in such a span of time. I enjoy Hatton's work myself so I'm not saying anything ill in that regard.

While I did enjoy the heated argument with all its verbs and nouns we didn't accomplish anything but getting VD banned. I think Terry is such a know-it-all that even if someone who really knew boxing (which I don't) brought up a truly valid point or argument in some unique light that Terry hadn't thought of that he wouldn't really consider it.......which is his loss.