Help please.RE:Protein Shakes

I'm looking to add some weight to my frame and eat 5-6 small meals a day,the only problem is,I don't get enough protein in those meals or on days where I cannot have that mount of meals I miss out on protein.

1>)So I was wondering if anyone could recommend me a protein shake?

2.)Also,which are the worst/ones you've had bad experience with?

3.*)Also,is it common for boxers have protein shakes and are there any side effects?

I'm not looking to spend OTT amounts of $$$ on the shake but I'll consider all recommendations.

CC for any responses.

I use Body Fortress

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

I use Body Fortress

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Could you elaborate please? Is it a protein shake? Is it effective? Details people,details!! ;D

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

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I use Body Fortress

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Could you elaborate please? Is it a protein shake? Is it effective? Details people,details!! ;D

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It is a whey protein shake,it is effective,and it doesnt taste like crud

I take MetRx with Metomyasyn (sp.?) It's protein shake, I only add water to it, no milk or anything.
I've also been taking creatine in the mornings, can't tell if it's made a difference or not though.

The vanilla and chocolate taste good, it's low in sugar. It's a whey protein blend. It has like 37 grams of protein per serving.

How much protein are you taking in a day and how much do you weigh?

I know I'm supposed to be taking 1.5 grams per pound of bodyweight right? Some days I manage that,some I don't. I'm 5foot7,weight 150 pounds. Wow,KS,that shake sounds AWESOME,any side effects? Also,what happens if you stop taking it? CC's brothers. Any chance of a link KS?

And has the shake made a difference? Thanks again for the help guys,it is appreciated.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

And has the shake made a difference? Thanks again for the help guys,it is appreciated.

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The shake is making a MAJOR difference,not only in my ability to manipulate my weight,but just lifestyle.
Turns out I need to maintain a certain level of protein when Im working out,otherwise I develop a major hand tremor
Started taking the shakes,by by hand tremor

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I know I'm supposed to be taking 1.5 grams per pound of bodyweight right? Some days I manage that,some I don't. I'm 5foot7,weight 150 pounds. Wow,KS,that shake sounds AWESOME,any side effects? Also,what happens if you stop taking it? CC's brothers. Any chance of a link KS?

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You will have a hard time getting 1.5 grams at your body weight, trust me, go for 0.8 - 1 grams if you're really trying to gain.

http://www.metrx.com/shop/parent.asp...3a98d2dd671e5c

here is a link. There aren't really any side effects other than you may notice a shrinking of your wallet.
Make sure that when you are increasing your protein intake that you drink A LOT of water and space it
out through the day, because too much protein can reek havok on your kidneys and liver.

What do you think of the MET-RX Supreme Whey protein powder? Also,how many servings do you have in a day? Because it's DAM expensive!!! :o

Yo Trainer,have you have your shaking hand checked out? Are you sure it's not related to the shakes? How many grams of protein does a serving provide bro?

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

What do you think of the MET-RX Supreme Whey protein powder? Also,how many servings do you have in a day? Because it's DAM expensive!!! :o

Yo Trainer,have you have your shaking hand checked out? Are you sure it's not related to the shakes? How many grams of protein does a serving provide bro?

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Just wasnt taking in enough protein to maintain muscle especially with weight loss
Hell I only have to take one a day and Im good for the day
Was worrying about it for the longest time,started taking the shakes which I hadnt been doing previously,and they were gone

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

What do you think of the MET-RX Supreme Whey protein powder? Also,how many servings do you have in a day? Because it's DAM expensive!!! :o

Yo Trainer,have you have your shaking hand checked out? Are you sure it's not related to the shakes? How many grams of protein does a serving provide bro?

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I only take the shakes after I do weights, twice a week and after my 12 round heavy bag season once a week.

What I would recommend is getting a store brand whey protein shake without added vitamins and stuff.
Get a powder get as bare bones protein as you can, that would be the cheapest most effective
way to get your protein. If you are eating 5 times a day I'd recommend going for around 24 grams
per feeding of natural protein (probably never be exact, but that's ok) eat some nuts, have slices
of lean meat as snacks you shouldn't rely strictly on your shakes for protein, try to limit it to one a day.

chicken
fish
lean cuts of meat
turkey
eggs and egg whites
milk

are all good sources of protein.

I personally am a vegetarian, so I eat morningstar farms Chik'n Strips (fake meat)
they are super healthy have 29 grams of protein per serving and are low in fat.

Be prepared to put in some work though, gaining weight is much harder than losing
weight (to do it healthy at least) If you are just looking to bulk up and not get
stronger for athletic reasons, you want to be doing REALLY heavy weights for low reps.

Killersheep has the best idea of making an adjustment to your diet but if you are like me I am never able to scheduale meals at the same time or able to prepare things they way I would like due to time here are a few suggestions I have seen work pretty well in the past...

By the way in a pinch a protien bar works as well...

VPX redline is a pretty good product and fairly priced ( pre made not powder)

Carb solutions is another decent priced one that taste good ( powder)

4 Ever fit is probably the cheapest and best priced and is a fairly good product at about 25$ for 2lb (powder)

also egg whites are great...If you have trouble getting them down a little trick i used to use is..put the egg whites in a blender add a cap full of Vinilla extract and while blending add a teaspoon of sugar..makes it into a shake type thing just drink fast before they start to collect back together or it is slimy egg again

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Killersheep has the best idea of making an adjustment to your diet but if you are like me I am never able to scheduale meals at the same time or able to prepare things they way I would like due to time here are a few suggestions I have seen work pretty well in the past...

By the way in a pinch a protien bar works as well...

VPX redline is a pretty good product and fairly priced ( pre made not powder)

Carb solutions is another decent priced one that taste good ( powder)

4 Ever fit is probably the cheapest and best priced and is a fairly good product at about 25$ for 2lb (powder)

also egg whites are great...If you have trouble getting them down a little trick i used to use is..put the egg whites in a blender add a cap full of Vinilla extract and while blending add a teaspoon of sugar..makes it into a shake type thing just drink fast before they start to collect back together or it is slimy egg again

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Isn't VPX redline for weight loss? I think El Gamo is saying he's underweight and wants to bulk up............same goes for the 4 ever fit
there is a ton of caffeine in those things.

I do like the carb solutions one though, decent protein low carb and low sugar, how does it taste?

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Killersheep has the best idea of making an adjustment to your diet but if you are like me I am never able to scheduale meals at the same time or able to prepare things they way I would like due to time here are a few suggestions I have seen work pretty well in the past...

By the way in a pinch a protien bar works as well...

VPX redline is a pretty good product and fairly priced ( pre made not powder)

Carb solutions is another decent priced one that taste good ( powder)

4 Ever fit is probably the cheapest and best priced and is a fairly good product at about 25$ for 2lb (powder)

also egg whites are great...If you have trouble getting them down a little trick i used to use is..put the egg whites in a blender add a cap full of Vinilla extract and while blending add a teaspoon of sugar..makes it into a shake type thing just drink fast before they start to collect back together or it is slimy egg again

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Isn't VPX redline for weight loss? I think El Gamo is saying he's underweight and wants to bulk up............same goes for the 4 ever fit
there is a ton of caffeine in those things.

I do like the carb solutions one though, decent protein low carb and low sugar, how does it taste?

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Maybe I misunderstood.....Thought he was just looking for different types of Protein drinks to use while working out...never gave thought on if he was bulking up or just looking for a way to get in protein in general while getting in shape...I read the 5-6 small meals a day and totally missed the adding weight part...CC for the adjustment.....

I just always seem to associate working out with cutting fat while keeping up with everything else

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I'm looking to add some weight to my frame and eat 5-6 small meals a day,the only problem is,I don't get enough protein in those meals or on days where I cannot have that mount of meals I miss out on protein.

1>)So I was wondering if anyone could recommend me a protein shake?

2.)Also,which are the worst/ones you've had bad experience with?

3.*)Also,is it common for boxers have protein shakes and are there any side effects?

I'm not looking to spend OTT amounts of $$$ on the shake but I'll consider all recommendations.

CC for any responses.

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Use WHEY protein, a glass in the morning, and a glass at night, and I think you can have a glass right after working out, although I don't. It's best to mix it with milk (preferably 2%) for more calories AND better taste.

CC for the responses guys and yeah,I'm looking to bulk up. I'm quite muscular at the moment but just want to add more. I am NOT looking to become incredibly huge though Killer so I don't do high weights,light reps especially as I have started to go to boxing classes more regularly(I go just for the training though,and I find it fun,nothing serious).

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

CC for the responses guys and yeah,I'm looking to bulk up. I'm quite muscular at the moment but just want to add more. I am NOT looking to become incredibly huge though Killer so I don't do high weights,light reps especially as I have started to go to boxing classes more regularly(I go just for the training though,and I find it fun,nothing serious).

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It takes a lot to get body-builder huge, you are really in no danger of getting overly-huge for lifting heavy weights, just do it until you get to the size you want, and then raise the reps. As long as you keep up your cardio you're not going look like a body-builder.

i use reflex instant whey, have done for years and cant reccomend it enough

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

CC for the responses guys and yeah,I'm looking to bulk up. I'm quite muscular at the moment but just want to add more. I am NOT looking to become incredibly huge though Killer so I don't do high weights,light reps especially as I have started to go to boxing classes more regularly(I go just for the training though,and I find it fun,nothing serious).

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Your going to find it very hard to bulk up if your lifting light weights man.. Try and aim for no more than 8-12 reps of anything(as in make sure you can't do more reps with the weight), that way you will ensure that you are gaining lean muscle and actually increasing your strength.. Also if you do continue with relatively light weights, make it a rule that each set should take a minimum of 30-40 seconds. After you lift the weight up try brining it down slowly and concentrate on form, assuming you aren't lifting heavily where this is natural. I.e if you are doing 10 reps make sure each one takes three seconds, count 2 secs slowly on your way down then push, etc. As far as protein shakes, I really think Whey is only really beneficial during or following a rigorous workout. Aside from it's amino acid profile, whey is a nutritionally dead food, it's essentially a waste product of the milk industry that's marked up ridiculously, and it's absorbed too quickly to provide substained energy. I personally take hemp protein in the mornings as it is a good source of fibre and fatty acids as well(and it's cheaper), and before bed eat a large bowl of plain cottage cheese as it's very slow absorbing. Other then that you can just rely on lean meats and egg whites etc for your main protein sources. Whatever you do avoid Soy protein or any kind of unfermented Soy. It actually contains these inhibitors which block protein synthesis and it causes bloating and gas.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

CC for the responses guys and yeah,I'm looking to bulk up. I'm quite muscular at the moment but just want to add more. I am NOT looking to become incredibly huge though Killer so I don't do high weights,light reps especially as I have started to go to boxing classes more regularly(I go just for the training though,and I find it fun,nothing serious).

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It takes a lot to get body-builder huge, you are really in no danger of getting overly-huge for lifting heavy weights, just do it until you get to the size you want, and then raise the reps. As long as you keep up your cardio you're not going look like a body-builder.

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I'm confused,you think I should lift heavy until I get to the size I want? Dam this shit is confusing,I get so many different opinions! I think lifting quite heavy but not tooo heavy will give me the size I want without compromising my pretty good cardio etc.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

CC for the responses guys and yeah,I'm looking to bulk up. I'm quite muscular at the moment but just want to add more. I am NOT looking to become incredibly huge though Killer so I don't do high weights,light reps especially as I have started to go to boxing classes more regularly(I go just for the training though,and I find it fun,nothing serious).

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Your going to find it very hard to bulk up if your lifting light weights man.. Try and aim for no more than 8-12 reps of anything(as in make sure you can't do more reps with the weight), that way you will ensure that you are gaining lean muscle and actually increasing your strength.. Also if you do continue with relatively light weights, make it a rule that each set should take a minimum of 30-40 seconds. After you lift the weight up try brining it down slowly and concentrate on form, assuming you aren't lifting heavily where this is natural. I.e if you are doing 10 reps make sure each one takes three seconds, count 2 secs slowly on your way down then push, etc. As far as protein shakes, I really think Whey is only really beneficial during or following a rigorous workout. Aside from it's amino acid profile, whey is a nutritionally dead food, it's essentially a waste product of the milk industry that's marked up ridiculously, and it's absorbed too quickly to provide substained energy. I personally take hemp protein in the mornings as it is a good source of fibre and fatty acids as well(and it's cheaper), and before bed eat a large bowl of plain cottage cheese as it's very slow absorbing. Other then that you can just rely on lean meats and egg whites etc for your main protein sources. Whatever you do avoid Soy protein or any kind of unfermented Soy. It actually contains these inhibitors which block protein synthesis and it causes bloating and gas.

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CC for the response bro. I understand what you're saying but I really don't want to get much bigger so although I won't be lifting massive weights,I'll be using alot of resistance and I think and have read that this will allow me to gain size without losing my good cardio and yes it will be slower than if I was to lift huge weights but I don't mind.

I have the rest in between sets and set time on lock down! I don't spend longer than 45 mins in the gym,1 hour at most. I have an explosive,powerful workout and get out of there! And thanks for the info on Soy,are you are it's accurate! I had no idea!!

Guys,is any whey,good whey? I mean there are some cheap no name brands in my local health shop and they have alot of protein per scoop,what else should I be looking out for in order to ascertain that it's a good whey powder?


Thankyou all for your help and keep the info coming brothers!

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I'm confused,you think I should lift heavy until I get to the size I want? Dam this shit is confusing,I get so many different opinions! I think lifting quite heavy but not tooo heavy will give me the size I want without compromising my pretty good cardio etc.

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Yeah that's the jist of it, lift really heavy tear up those muscle fibers and that will get you the results you want.
Body builders take in 2.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight, and work each muscle for at least an hour.
You will be nowhere near that with your routine and protein intake. to start with go for 4-6 reps, where you are really
struggling on the last reps, do this for 3 weeks. Then move up to 5-8 reps do that until you get to the size you
want, from there on out you will be doing maintainance you can do 8-12 reps and if you notice you are getting
too big for your liking back off to 15-20 reps. Are you going to post your workout?

What are your goals?

Listen,

-You can't bulk up and do cardio to keep fit at the same time unless you have a strict diet(Because cardio breaks down to many layers of muscle). If you want to bulk up you have to take usually 3-4 months off and just do weight training, or whenever you reach your goal.
-Also its 1.3-1.5grams of protein per pound. So lets say you are 200 pounds, you do 200 x 1.5= 300. *(so 300grams is the amount of protein you need in a day). So then you divide 300 on 5 or 6, (because you need 5-6 meals a day spaced out every 2-3 hours), so then its like 50 grams of protein per meal.
-You also need 50 grams of carbs every 2 hours, and 60 grams only in the mornings or prior workout
-Dont have carbs at night, only have a shake with some good fats like peanut butter or fish oil. or cottage cheese with some almonds.(prevents you from turning catabolic over night)

Lift heavy as you can, you dont get built over night you know..so you shouldnt be worried about getting 'too big'.

Once you reach your peak of what you want to be in size, start to hit cardio and boxing training (also incorpororating light-medium weights.)

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

CC for the responses guys and yeah,I'm looking to bulk up. I'm quite muscular at the moment but just want to add more. I am NOT looking to become incredibly huge though Killer so I don't do high weights,light reps especially as I have started to go to boxing classes more regularly(I go just for the training though,and I find it fun,nothing serious).

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It takes a lot to get body-builder huge, you are really in no danger of getting overly-huge for lifting heavy weights, just do it until you get to the size you want, and then raise the reps. As long as you keep up your cardio you're not going look like a body-builder.

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I'm confused,you think I should lift heavy until I get to the size I want? Dam this S*** is confusing,I get so many different opinions! I think lifting quite heavy but not tooo heavy will give me the size I want without compromising my pretty good cardio etc.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

CC for the responses guys and yeah,I'm looking to bulk up. I'm quite muscular at the moment but just want to add more. I am NOT looking to become incredibly huge though Killer so I don't do high weights,light reps especially as I have started to go to boxing classes more regularly(I go just for the training though,and I find it fun,nothing serious).

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Your going to find it very hard to bulk up if your lifting light weights man.. Try and aim for no more than 8-12 reps of anything(as in make sure you can't do more reps with the weight), that way you will ensure that you are gaining lean muscle and actually increasing your strength.. Also if you do continue with relatively light weights, make it a rule that each set should take a minimum of 30-40 seconds. After you lift the weight up try brining it down slowly and concentrate on form, assuming you aren't lifting heavily where this is natural. I.e if you are doing 10 reps make sure each one takes three seconds, count 2 secs slowly on your way down then push, etc. As far as protein shakes, I really think Whey is only really beneficial during or following a rigorous workout. Aside from it's amino acid profile, whey is a nutritionally dead food, it's essentially a waste product of the milk industry that's marked up ridiculously, and it's absorbed too quickly to provide substained energy. I personally take hemp protein in the mornings as it is a good source of fibre and fatty acids as well(and it's cheaper), and before bed eat a large bowl of plain cottage cheese as it's very slow absorbing. Other then that you can just rely on lean meats and egg whites etc for your main protein sources. Whatever you do avoid Soy protein or any kind of unfermented Soy. It actually contains these inhibitors which block protein synthesis and it causes bloating and gas.

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CC for the response bro. I understand what you're saying but I really don't want to get much bigger so although I won't be lifting massive weights,I'll be using alot of resistance and I think and have read that this will allow me to gain size without losing my good cardio and yes it will be slower than if I was to lift huge weights but I don't mind.

I have the rest in between sets and set time on lock down! I don't spend longer than 45 mins in the gym,1 hour at most. I have an explosive,powerful workout and get out of there! And thanks for the info on Soy,are you are it's accurate! I had no idea!!

Guys,is any whey,good whey? I mean there are some cheap no name brands in my local health shop and they have alot of protein per scoop,what else should I be looking out for in order to ascertain that it's a good whey powder?


Thankyou all for your help and keep the info coming brothers!

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Yea CC back, but I can't really stress this enough... That when weight training, you have to lift whatever you are capable of doing while staying within your desired reps... Just like killer said, start out with 5-6 reps, move up to 8ish, maybe 10-12 eventually, but never do any more then that unless you are trying to heal an injury or something. It's not a matter of lifting massive weights, like I said, if you are doing 6-8 reps and concentrating on form, then you lift whatever you are capable of doing, with the last 2 reps being gruelingly difficult. You don't have to worry about looking like a bodybuiler, as they are A)all juiced anyways, b)eat a ridiculous amount of food in general and especially protein, and c) only weight train, for long hours on specific muscle groups every single day. Lifting heavy weights is perfectly safe for any athlete as long as you are doing good compound lifts and getting the proper recovery and nutrition. As for whey, well it's almost all the same.. You wan't to make sure though, that it is cross flow microfiltered, or unadentured... This means it is processed at a cold temperature which keeps the amino acid profile intact... If it's Ion exchange, that means it is technically a higher % pure protein, and a little faster to absorb, but alot of it's BV has been killed. So long as you know that it's undentured, it's all the same basicallly. All whey is is the liquid that's left over when milk is used to make cheese. There are curds and whey. Anyways, most commercial brands of whey are WAY overpriced for what it is, and use sucralose or other artificial sweeteners which are bad for you. I use this organic whey Isolate that I buy at a bulk food store, it's unflavoured and there's nothing added, and it's a hell of a lot cheaper than most brands. Also make sure you are taking it with a simple carb source after weight training or any heavy workout. a Protein shake on it's own is going to do almost nothing to help with recovery and gains, as it won't replenish your glycogen stores. I just mix my whey isolate with a bananna or 2, and some glutamine(a great supplement) for an easy shake... You can also find dextrose or maltodextrin as they are supposed to be more effecient as a carb source, and will definetly help you to bulk up quicker. Just look around for a good article on Google or something, type in workout nutrition, or something like that. None of this is really as confusing as it sounds.

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CC for the responses guys and yeah,I'm looking to bulk up. I'm quite muscular at the moment but just want to add more. I am NOT looking to become incredibly huge though Killer so I don't do high weights,light reps especially as I have started to go to boxing classes more regularly(I go just for the training though,and I find it fun,nothing serious).

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It takes a lot to get body-builder huge, you are really in no danger of getting overly-huge for lifting heavy weights, just do it until you get to the size you want, and then raise the reps. As long as you keep up your cardio you're not going look like a body-builder.

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I'm confused,you think I should lift heavy until I get to the size I want? Dam this S*** is confusing,I get so many different opinions! I think lifting quite heavy but not tooo heavy will give me the size I want without compromising my pretty good cardio etc.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

CC for the responses guys and yeah,I'm looking to bulk up. I'm quite muscular at the moment but just want to add more. I am NOT looking to become incredibly huge though Killer so I don't do high weights,light reps especially as I have started to go to boxing classes more regularly(I go just for the training though,and I find it fun,nothing serious).

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Your going to find it very hard to bulk up if your lifting light weights man.. Try and aim for no more than 8-12 reps of anything(as in make sure you can't do more reps with the weight), that way you will ensure that you are gaining lean muscle and actually increasing your strength.. Also if you do continue with relatively light weights, make it a rule that each set should take a minimum of 30-40 seconds. After you lift the weight up try brining it down slowly and concentrate on form, assuming you aren't lifting heavily where this is natural. I.e if you are doing 10 reps make sure each one takes three seconds, count 2 secs slowly on your way down then push, etc. As far as protein shakes, I really think Whey is only really beneficial during or following a rigorous workout. Aside from it's amino acid profile, whey is a nutritionally dead food, it's essentially a waste product of the milk industry that's marked up ridiculously, and it's absorbed too quickly to provide substained energy. I personally take hemp protein in the mornings as it is a good source of fibre and fatty acids as well(and it's cheaper), and before bed eat a large bowl of plain cottage cheese as it's very slow absorbing. Other then that you can just rely on lean meats and egg whites etc for your main protein sources. Whatever you do avoid Soy protein or any kind of unfermented Soy. It actually contains these inhibitors which block protein synthesis and it causes bloating and gas.

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CC for the response bro. I understand what you're saying but I really don't want to get much bigger so although I won't be lifting massive weights,I'll be using alot of resistance and I think and have read that this will allow me to gain size without losing my good cardio and yes it will be slower than if I was to lift huge weights but I don't mind.

I have the rest in between sets and set time on lock down! I don't spend longer than 45 mins in the gym,1 hour at most. I have an explosive,powerful workout and get out of there! And thanks for the info on Soy,are you are it's accurate! I had no idea!!

Guys,is any whey,good whey? I mean there are some cheap no name brands in my local health shop and they have alot of protein per scoop,what else should I be looking out for in order to ascertain that it's a good whey powder?


Thankyou all for your help and keep the info coming brothers!

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Yea CC back, but I can't really stress this enough... That when weight training, you have to lift whatever you are capable of doing while staying within your desired reps... Just like killer said, start out with 5-6 reps, move up to 8ish, maybe 10-12 eventually, but never do any more then that unless you are trying to heal an injury or something. It's not a matter of lifting massive weights, like I said, if you are doing 6-8 reps and concentrating on form, then you lift whatever you are capable of doing, with the last 2 reps being gruelingly difficult. You don't have to worry about looking like a bodybuiler, as they are A)all juiced anyways, b)eat a ridiculous amount of food in general and especially protein, and c) only weight train, for long hours on specific muscle groups every single day. Lifting heavy weights is perfectly safe for any athlete as long as you are doing good compound lifts and getting the proper recovery and nutrition. As for whey, well it's almost all the same.. You wan't to make sure though, that it is cross flow microfiltered, or unadentured... This means it is processed at a cold temperature which keeps the amino acid profile intact... If it's Ion exchange, that means it is technically a higher % pure protein, and a little faster to absorb, but alot of it's BV has been killed. So long as you know that it's undentured, it's all the same basicallly. All whey is is the liquid that's left over when milk is used to make cheese. There are curds and whey. Anyways, most commercial brands of whey are WAY overpriced for what it is, and use sucralose or other artificial sweeteners which are bad for you. I use this organic whey Isolate that I buy at a bulk food store, it's unflavoured and there's nothing added, and it's a hell of a lot cheaper than most brands. Also make sure you are taking it with a simple carb source after weight training or any heavy workout. a Protein shake on it's own is going to do almost nothing to help with recovery and gains, as it won't replenish your glycogen stores. I just mix my whey isolate with a bananna or 2, and some glutamine(a great supplement) for an easy shake... You can also find dextrose or maltodextrin as they are supposed to be more effecient as a carb source, and will definetly help you to bulk up quicker. Just look around for a good article on Google or something, type in workout nutrition, or something like that. None of this is really as confusing as it sounds.

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Not many people have that type of knowledge, it's really good to know that some people on this board understand nutrition and workout on a body building level.

I take whey with dextrose and maltodextrine after workout, its good but Im using a commercial brand of whey, and your right about the artificial sweetners, they also cause cancer you know. The only reason i take commercial is for the taste, is the non flavoured one you're taking disgusting though?

When bulking there also has to be a emphasis on the timing of your meals, for example the best time to eat is in the morning because your gyclogen levels are depleted, and the other time would be after your gym workout because your body is looking for the sufficient nutrients to repair your body.