Israel Vazquez vs Manny Pacquiao?

I think Israel Vazquez is getting a little too excited. So ambitious like Vic Darchinyan.

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Everybody wants a piece of Manny. That's a sign that he is up there. Israel is courageous and I admire him for it.

another one going up 2 weight divisions to fight manny? i think larios would be the last one. ain't gonna happen.

ISRAEL SHOULD CLEAR OUT HIS OWN DIVISION BEFORE WORRYING ABOUT 130. MARQUEZ III ANYONE?

later.let them fight other opponents first.

this is a surprise. pac and isreal are from the same gym. both are roach coached. well isreal decided to disobey rouch to redeem himself against rafa which turned out the way he saw it. maybe he seen enough of pac in the wildcard gym to believe he can pull off a gigantic up set.

I believed in isreal to dethrone rafa but 130 is pacs division. isreal won't last 4 rounds with pac.

I'm not a fan of the idea. Vasquez would make it a fight and I'd be rooting for him but he'd really need to do something special to win.

WHAT?!?! This is just ludicrous!!! Vasquez is an agressive fighter and so is Pacquiao. If they traded shots, Vasquez would get the life knocked out of him. Pacquiao has knocked out EVERY opponent he's faced at 130lbs, imagine if he was put into the ring with someone who is naturally at 122lbs? Vasquez is still feeling the confidence build-up he got from knocking out Marquez, but that doesn't mean he should be dilusional.

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WHAT?!?! This is just ludicrous!!! Vasquez is an agressive fighter and so is Pacquiao. If they traded shots, Vasquez would get the life knocked out of him. Pacquiao has knocked out EVERY opponent he's faced at 130lbs, imagine if he was put into the ring with someone who is naturally at 122lbs? Vasquez is still feeling the confidence build-up he got from knocking out Marquez, but that doesn't mean he should be dilusional.

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I hope pac would grant his death wish. ;D

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

this is a surprise. pac and isreal are from the same gym. both are roach coached. well isreal decided to disobey rouch to redeem himself against rafa which turned out the way he saw it. maybe he seen enough of pac in the wildcard gym to believe he can pull off a gigantic up set.

I believed in isreal to dethrone rafa but 130 is pacs division. isreal won't last 4 rounds with pac.

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I say, 3 rounds will be long enough.

I would love to see it, I mean if Pac fights the same way he fought Solis then Vasquez def. has a chance.

I'm all for it, let' em fight.

so does this mean isreal is planning to move up?

what about rafa and their trilogy?

a fight with pac would mean jumping 2 weight division like larios did. can isreal train as hard as larios back in japan?this would be the biggest challenge for isreal and I think it'll be the worst for him too.

I want to see gonzalez and isreal again too if not the trilogy with rafa. I don't think isreal should be thinking about pac.

This fight will be good for Manny. He will even prove how strong he is.

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so does this mean isreal is planning to move up?

what about rafa and their trilogy?

a fight with pac would mean jumping 2 weight division like larios did. can isreal train as hard as larios back in japan?this would be the biggest challenge for isreal and I think it'll be the worst for him too.

I want to see gonzalez and isreal again too if not the trilogy with rafa. I don't think isreal should be thinking about pac.

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yup, going up 2 weight divisions would be too much for vasquez. larios can handle the additional weight better cos of his height. i'd rather see gonzalez again with vasquez after a marquez rematch. i think gonzalez, after 2 debacles that he should have won, would have learned his lesson and hand vasquez a beating next time.

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This fight will be good for Manny. He will even prove how strong he is.

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prove how strong he is? against someone 2 weight division lower? thats not proving much at all if any. this fight would not be good for pac because its meaningless, theres nothing to prove against isreal nor there is any credit to gain beating isreal. Pac can not waste his time, his got better matches to make.

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so does this mean isreal is planning to move up?

what about rafa and their trilogy?

a fight with pac would mean jumping 2 weight division like larios did. can isreal train as hard as larios back in japan?this would be the biggest challenge for isreal and I think it'll be the worst for him too.

I want to see gonzalez and isreal again too if not the trilogy with rafa. I don't think isreal should be thinking about pac.

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yup, going up 2 weight divisions would be too much for vasquez. larios can handle the additional weight better cos of his height. i'd rather see gonzalez again with vasquez after a marquez rematch. i think gonzalez, after 2 debacles that he should have won, would have learned his lesson and hand vasquez a beating next time.

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yea gonzalez and vasquez has to go at it again. As much as it made me happy to see penalosa beat gonzalez it also kinda of sadden me because gonzalez is one of my favorites in the division too. Everybody talked about how good rafeal is but I always had the feeling who ever wins the first isreal vs gonzalez fight would eventually beat out rafeal.

I thought larios kept his fight with pac pretty close untill he got stopped, and since he was coming off a loss from isreal - why not?
isreal has awsome power and could really hurt pac, would be a great fight... if isreal isn't punch drunk by the end of the rafa rubbe rmatch.

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I thought larios kept his fight with pac pretty close untill he got stopped, and since he was coming off a loss from isreal - why not?
isreal has awsome power and could really hurt pac, would be a great fight... if isreal isn't punch drunk by the end of the rafa rubbe rmatch.

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wow you thought it was close???

pac promise his home country a show thats why it lasted and no larios was not stopped. pac boxed him for 12 with less aggressiveness as the usual pac.

The likelihood of this coming off are slim. Even if he did move up,JMM/Soto/Guzman/Valero are all ahead of him. However,I do know that Vazquez and Pacman used to spar together so maybe the fight could be made at some point. Silly move for Isreal imo,after the third Rafa fight,he can still fight Ponce and Caballaro.

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I thought larios kept his fight with pac pretty close untill he got stopped, and since he was coming off a loss from isreal - why not?
isreal has awsome power and could really hurt pac, would be a great fight... if isreal isn't punch drunk by the end of the rafa rubbe rmatch.

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wow you thought it was close???

pac promise his home country a show thats why it lasted and no larios was not stopped. pac boxed him for 12 with less aggressiveness as the usual pac.

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um, i got the wrong fight, i dunno what one i'm thinking of but that wasn;t it, my bad.

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I thought larios kept his fight with pac pretty close untill he got stopped, and since he was coming off a loss from isreal - why not?
isreal has awsome power and could really hurt pac, would be a great fight... if isreal isn't punch drunk by the end of the rafa rubbe rmatch.

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wow you thought it was close???

pac promise his home country a show thats why it lasted and no larios was not stopped. pac boxed him for 12 with less aggressiveness as the usual pac.

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um, i got the wrong fight, i dunno what one i'm thinking of but that wasn;t it, my bad.

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:coolclick: for being the only person I've ever seen here be man enough to admit when they make a mistake.

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Its pissing me off now tho what fight i was thinking of.

prolly got confused and thought of Isreal'sfight with johnny.

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lol CC back...

Its pissing me off now tho what fight i was thinking of.

prolly got confused and thought of Isreal'sfight with johnny.

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yea isreal and johnnys fight was pretty close and for a second I thought johnny was going to stop isreal but then isreal was the one who stopped johnny.

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lol CC back...

Its pissing me off now tho what fight i was thinking of.

prolly got confused and thought of Isreal'sfight with johnny.

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yea isreal and johnnys fight was pretty close and for a second I thought johnny was going to stop isreal but then isreal was the one who stopped johnny.

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yup, gonzalez was owning vasquez big time before he got caught. that shifted the tide of the fight. same thing happened with his fight with gerry though i gotta give gerry props, he was patient looking to land that liver shot all night and he did, and jhonny not being comfortable at 118lbs anymore certainly didn't help him any. with those setbacks i'm sure jhonny will be back with a vengeance at 122lbs.

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lol CC back...

Its pissing me off now tho what fight i was thinking of.

prolly got confused and thought of Isreal'sfight with johnny.

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yea isreal and johnnys fight was pretty close and for a second I thought johnny was going to stop isreal but then isreal was the one who stopped johnny.

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yup, gonzalez was owning vasquez big time before he got caught. that shifted the tide of the fight. same thing happened with his fight with gerry though i gotta give gerry props, he was patient looking to land that liver shot all night and he did, and jhonny not being comfortable at 118lbs anymore certainly didn't help him any. with those setbacks i'm sure jhonny will be back with a vengeance at 122lbs.

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yea johnny has to get up to 122lbs now. a body shot knock out is usually a result of a fighter being drain but it also didn't help fighting a veteran as accurate and petient as gerry.

johnny can definently make some noise at 122lbs.

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lol CC back...

Its pissing me off now tho what fight i was thinking of.

prolly got confused and thought of Isreal'sfight with johnny.

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yea isreal and johnnys fight was pretty close and for a second I thought johnny was going to stop isreal but then isreal was the one who stopped johnny.

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yup, gonzalez was owning vasquez big time before he got caught. that shifted the tide of the fight. same thing happened with his fight with gerry though i gotta give gerry props, he was patient looking to land that liver shot all night and he did, and jhonny not being comfortable at 118lbs anymore certainly didn't help him any. with those setbacks i'm sure jhonny will be back with a vengeance at 122lbs.

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yea johnny has to get up to 122lbs now. a body shot knock out is usually a result of a fighter being drain but it also didn't help fighting a veteran as accurate and petient as gerry.

johnny can definently make some noise at 122lbs.

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definitely make a noise? He was even unable to stop an aging penalosa? How much more in a higher weight division. The knock out caused by drain? are you serious Julius? He was in top shape.

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lol CC back...

Its pissing me off now tho what fight i was thinking of.

prolly got confused and thought of Isreal'sfight with johnny.

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yea isreal and johnnys fight was pretty close and for a second I thought johnny was going to stop isreal but then isreal was the one who stopped johnny.

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yup, gonzalez was owning vasquez big time before he got caught. that shifted the tide of the fight. same thing happened with his fight with gerry though i gotta give gerry props, he was patient looking to land that liver shot all night and he did, and jhonny not being comfortable at 118lbs anymore certainly didn't help him any. with those setbacks i'm sure jhonny will be back with a vengeance at 122lbs.

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yea johnny has to get up to 122lbs now. a body shot knock out is usually a result of a fighter being drain but it also didn't help fighting a veteran as accurate and petient as gerry.

johnny can definently make some noise at 122lbs.

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definitely make a noise? He was even unable to stop an aging penalosa? How much more in a higher weight division. The knock out caused by drain? are you serious Julius? He was in top shape.

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Your talking out from your Ass, how many johnny fight have you actually seen? you've prolly only known johnny since his fight with penalosa. What do you mean he couldn't even stop aging penalosa? nobody has even drop penalosa. he may be past it but his no walk over. Johnny was beating him until that perfect time body shot. Johnny should of been up in the 122 division any ways, what do you know huh?

If Johnny does not have the body to withstand hardhitting punchers in his division right now, how much more if he goes up where there are more hardhitting punchers. Got the logic Julius?

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If Johnny does not have the body to withstand hardhitting punchers in his division right now, how much more if he goes up where there are more hardhitting punchers. Got the logic Julius?

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gerry isn't really that much of a hard hitter. it was just a well placed liver shot he gave gonzalez that any other fighter would have crumpled from. even before the fight there were apprehensions about gonzalez making weight. jhonny was doing pretty well against vasquez, one of the hardest hitter at 122, but his eagerness to finish that fight with a flourish got the better of him. he simply got careless. imo, the super bantam is the best division for him.

bruce, even pacquiao was ko'ed by a body shot after failing to make weight that's why he had to move up in the weight division.

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If Johnny does not have the body to withstand hardhitting punchers in his division right now, how much more if he goes up where there are more hardhitting punchers. Got the logic Julius?

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exactly you can't answer my question. You think just because gerry knock johnny out with a body shot that means he won't stand any chance at the 122 division? you have a mind of a 10 year old, where do you get your thoughts from huh? stick to pac topics buddy thats the only boxing you have a clue in. No wait scratch that, even in pac topics you lack quality post.haha you asking me if i got the logic? you have noun so run along and take your head out of your Ass.

The Gerry to Jhonny body shot was premidatory. Roach knew Gonzalez was having weight issue. So plan A was to attack Gonzalez's body. That's what you do to a guy who's been having trouble making the weight. Even Lennox Lewis pointed that out during the fight.

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The Gerry to Jhonny body shot was premidatory. Roach knew Gonzalez was having weight issue. So plan A was to attack Gonzalez's body. That's what you do to a guy who's been having trouble making the weight. Even Lennox Lewis pointed that out during the fight.

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bRo do me a favor and explain it to brucelee in tagalog maybe in that way he'll learn and thing or two, so he can stop trying to talk like he has a damn clue ;D

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The Gerry to Jhonny body shot was premidatory. Roach knew Gonzalez was having weight issue. So plan A was to attack Gonzalez's body. That's what you do to a guy who's been having trouble making the weight. Even Lennox Lewis pointed that out during the fight.

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bRo do me a favor and explain it to brucelee in tagalog maybe in that way he'll learn and thing or two, so he can stop trying to talk like he has a damn clue ;D

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Oks lang yan si pareng Bruce.

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If Johnny does not have the body to withstand hardhitting punchers in his division right now, how much more if he goes up where there are more hardhitting punchers. Got the logic Julius?

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exactly you can't answer my question. You think just because gerry knock johnny out with a body shot that means he won't stand any chance at the 122 division? you have a mind of a 10 year old, where do you get your thoughts from huh? stick to pac topics buddy thats the only boxing you have a clue in. No wait scratch that, even in pac topics you lack quality post.haha you asking me if i got the logic? you have noun so run along and take your head out of your a**.

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Pacstraight, let me engage JuliusRain.


juliusRain,

let me give you a little rebuttal on your seeming ignorance.

"Even in Pac topics you lack quality posts"

What do you mean quality posts? Your bad mouthing surely does not make your posts better than mine.You need to do your suggestion.

"You have a mind of a 10 year old"

You don't know me. I've graduated from UP with honors.

"stick to pac topics buddy thats the only boxing you have a clue in"

Please read all my posts before making a hasty generalization.



Going back to the topic, I have said that it will be good for Pacquaio to meet Vasquez to let the world know that he has power in his punches (not that the world does not know but so that all people will believe, don't know if Julius understand this. He has no strong background in Philosopy).... and that power does not only come from his speed... as some people with "knowledge" in boxing would claim.

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ISRAEL SHOULD CLEAR OUT HIS OWN DIVISION BEFORE WORRYING ABOUT 130. MARQUEZ III ANYONE?

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cc HELL YEAH SON

Ok.

I'm gonna have to lock this topic bago pa kayo mag-rambolan dito. ;D

Peace bros