hello everyone, just wanted to ask what combo's are used by fighters and what works best for each fighter
my ones are
1) jab, jab, cross, left hook, right uppercut, left hook
2) left hook to the body, left hook to the head, right to the head
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hello everyone, just wanted to ask what combo's are used by fighters and what works best for each fighter
my ones are
1) jab, jab, cross, left hook, right uppercut, left hook
2) left hook to the body, left hook to the head, right to the head
How would you set your opponent up to land your combination? I think that pre planned combinations makes for a predictable fighter. What happens when you're trying to throw your favorite combo and your opponent punches in between your sequences while avoiding your own punches? Understand that when you become focussed on just throwing a pre-planned combination that your attack can become a predictable pattern that a decent fighter can counter or avoid altogether. The same applies for any preset plan or preset anything.
Now look at guys such Julio Cesar Chavez, their punches may have looked like a simple combination that they just so happened to throw but actually it started out as a counterpunch. You see to them there's probably not a punch that their opponent throws that they can't counterpunch. A good counterpuncher will make their opponent throw the punch that they want to counter.
Combinations are great because it can spread out an opponent's defense especially against people assume a rigid defense such as the squared up hand high and tight defense that most fighters today are brought up in. Against an opponent with a nice flexible defense who decides to stay out of range and makes you do most of the leading, throwing a combination would be ineffective if you can't hit anything. Look at how Pernell Whittaker fights and think how would you be able to even lay glove on him. Boxing isn't always as easy as pick your spot and name your shot. The thing is that boxing at its highest level requires you to set up your punches in order to land anything. This can be practiced on the bags or in the ring, throwing counters off the slip, learning how to counter each kind of punch, and later on learning how to set your opponent up.
We had a massive post on this once where is that, Page 115 or something???
Thats just what I was thinking when I saw the thread ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris N.
I learn from the best. ;)
I can't remember it, maybe it got lost. If you can remember what year it was made I'll take see if find it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Yeah I think the best combos come from a contact reflex or both that and visual reflex, built around someones over reactions to being hit , moved or lied to.
(Yep Im stealing 'the lied to' analogy from a recent post..good one that).
1) Double Jab, Left Hook.
2)Right hand, Left Uppercut, Right Hand.
3)Right Uppercut, Right Hook, Left Hook Rightt Hand.
4)Jab, Right, Left Hook, Right hand, right, jab, right hook left uppercut.
5)Jab, Right, Left uppercut.
there some my favs.
Reading what you wrote, Shane Mosely comes to mind by how he set up his punches bases off the cuff and right off his opponent's reactions. He would block/parry and punch almost simultaneosly all to set up his flurries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
When I was thinking about my shadow boxing I realized that an opponent would probably be reacting to my every move. After I slip their punch, or land my own punch it ought to bring about a reaction from my opponent. I also think that in a lot of instances you can plan around their reactions. Let's say for instance you side-step their punch and they have to turn to face you
These two seem pretty tricky from the point of view of being able to make them nice fast, fluent and balanced - any particular tricks to it you can educate me on hitmandonny?Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Is no 3 for working in close only or do you widen the angle of your elbow for the hooks so that they're long punches?
Tricky footwork for no 4? Moving from the outside to in close?
Realistically I usually only land combos with 3 or 4 punches max - perhaps due to my opponent's movement/retaliation aswell as my own balance - but it'd be nice to be able to land longer ones!
No.3 is one i was jus taught at the start of this summer at a pro camp. The pad holder holds his right pad low and directly in fornt of his body out about 10 inches, and on contact brings it back for a normal right hook, this means u are moving from outside distance to inside distance very quickly. The subsequent, right hook, left hook and straight are all inside punches and are all pretty quick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharla
No.4 Im lucky iv got a long reach so i Kinda have a "mid-range" where i can work outside n inside at the same time. n thats kinda jus what i do, work both consecutively. But as regards foot work, its probably a combination best used in an exchange just Stepping and pivoting. A slip can also be inserted between the two right hands if u wish to switch it to the body or if ur under pressure.
CC thanks hitmandonny - perhaps still a little advanced for me to pull off in sparring just yet but I might start trying to get a feel for no 3 on the bag.
Now just in case I still don't get it .......the no 3 is a long right uppercut to the body (perhaps solarplexis or under the ribs??) from outside and then rest on the inside. Maybe something to use when you're coming in underneath an opponents jab trying to cut distance before attacking inside? maybe especially good for an opponent which is already almost suck on the ropes or when they are moving in towards you and making it easier to cut the distance?
- no 4 sounds like it's not appropriate for short s**ts such as myself but still interesting thanks :)
I tend to launch no.3 from a slip.
He jabs i get his left ribs, meaning i dont travel to far, go up with the right hook, pivot the left foot on the LH and finish with a right, then i run ;D
Ya no.4 is pretty cool!
Stiil one of the toughest combos to truly master is the double jab, right hand left hook, but it can be unreal!!!
Never have more then a few,write them down while trying to visualise what your trying to achieve
Then go work them on the bag to create memory
Ahh thanks hitmandonny CC - I can picture it now :)Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Thanks Sharla CC back, Doubt i mwas actually much help but how and ever.
You did help thanks hitmandonny - you're a good advice giver :)
Yeah bro, you can plan and its the first step and the major part of training your self or others to SEE first and so learn the varying limits regarding what they then know/feel deeply as action and what they do consiously for the results that they pre think about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris N.
But how much faster and reactive is the fighter who (then) trains contact reflexes on touch and movments so that the real move or the faint doesn't need thought, its a trained reaction that your muscles build memory to incorperated into the minds (as a knowing between the two systems) so the brain is free to utilze what you know even faster.
That leads into a style of fighter who is so comfortable in any situation that she /he moves into the zone when under extreme pressure and everything becomes automatic and more.
The key to to be able to fight like this is total exceptance of the moment so your emersed in it.
Much like living life to the full, stop thinking about it ,do it.
That's where sparring comes in to fine tune those movement's into our muscle memory so that it is there without needing to think about it. I notice some fighters that seem so at home when they're practically nose to nose with their opponents. This isn't just good infighters, guys like Willie Pep, Shane Mosely and other guys seem to have a 6th sense when it comes to working with their opponents. I bet their body knew all the right moves beforehand, there was always room for thought with these guys but they didn't have to think about how to do the moves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
I'm thinking that lot of the techniques that Jesse taught can almost add into the autopilot of a fighter, how to manipulate and work around their reactions, how to survive even under pressure, there's a lot of moves and tactics that can be trained into the muscles to be brought out to deal with whatever situation that maybe called for.
I remember reading an article in a martial arts magazine that was agueing whether it is better to know more techniques, or less. The arguement being that more techniques require more thought and less techniques allow the fighter to act quicker.
In the end I think it is how prepared the fighter is and what situations that they have trained to deal with. The fighter already knows what to do beforehand, they just do it.
I think its true in most things .
Unlearning is relevant to boxing too,emptying yourself of the first things you learnt and had to use just to survive in the ring at first in the basics .
Then you free up and move into bringing your natuaral abilities and even your personality into the ring,thats where flowing around,moving on angles in comfort or saftey ,pushing the boundaries with minimum risk when you just know your safe to do so on the opponents reactions brings out the best combinations.
Then again some people attest to a state of 'like being taken over' goin on auto pilot, when placed under extreme pressure and they go into the zone where they cant seem to do a wrong thing from that point on...be nice to be able to have some control over when and where that happens :)
I think all emotion has to leave for that to occur even slightly, so ultra aggression may shut the door to it, as would fear of any sort or maybe any prethought about whats about to happen might block it too ???