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All I can say is WTFFFFFF!!!!! eL iNCA is P4P one of the most devestating punchers in boxing and if MAB has him to spar with,it's going to be a big big boost even if it's merely for the fact that he's shouthpaw and has HUGE power. The odds on this fight just got closer but I still favour Manny. Edwin also denied he was disfigured in the knife attack and will train in Mexico with MAB! Wow,great move by MAB's campp if it's true!
Kewl info Gamo. Cc!
No way Valero can simulate Pac's style eventhough they're both southpaw. Pac moves his head a lot, has great lateral moves with BLISTERING SPEED, and can throw 1300 quality punches in full 12 rounds.
Valero is like Vic Darchinyan. He is damn slow and has lazy jabs. Always relying on one big shot.
The big shots are the ones that gave MAB problems in the first fight. I think it is an excellent choice to have Valero as a sparring partner, asQuote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
long as he is also sparring with a southpaw that does volume punches as well.
Now this is what I meant by Valero as slow but can punch like a mofo...Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPkQa3LygAw
CC back PSL,although I totally disagree. Valero has,when he chooses to display it,excellent lateral movement and punch fpr punch,hits harder than Manny but Manny makes up for it,as you said,with numbers. For pure power,the weird southpaw angles, I think Valero is an excellent choice! I hope someone,somewhere can put up vids of the sessions,they would be great to watch! Also,Valero is excellent at countering and making angles to set up his power shots.
Agree KS bro!Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Give Valero good footwork, speed, and stamina,.. and that would make him a PERFECT sparring partner for MAB.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Edwin can help toughen MAB's chin by giving him facial calluses. ;D (kiddin')
after seeing this vid, still im not impressed that valero should be sparring against MAB. valero, in most ways will never resemble pac. first of all, valero is like the old pac.. 1-2 kind of fighter but only slower. valero has no head movement and no footwork.all he does is stalk his opponent, sets his jab up following with the left straight. by looking at the video, he was not even cutting off his oponnent from going to his left and he leaves a lazy jab that even barerra could counter with a five punch combo. valero has power but if you're only throwing 3 @ a time, you'll never make barerra work and simulate a fight with manny pac. pac is not a one punch fighter, he is a two handed punisher that can also crack. making MAB spar with valero to simulate a pac fight will just make MAB slower come fight night. IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
NO way is Valero like Vic...........Vic was unorthodox as fuck.......Valero, though flawed is much more of a boxer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Valero reminds me so much of the OLD, unpolished Pac (without the speed of hand and foot). Theres no way he could posibly resemble today's Pac IMO
Valero may be slower than Pacquaio but no superfeatherweight fighter comes close to Pacquaio in terms of power than Valero.
Valero is the best choice there is for MAB.
ok, maybe valero punches harder than pac.but you cant train for only one aspect. pacquiao has speed, movement, defense and power. how can mab train to deal with only pacs power? how would that be the best choice for MAB sparring with a power punching stiff to prepare to fight against a whirlwind like pac?Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
You don't train for a fight with Pac.....you just visit the pub and the church often hoping for answers. ;D Obviously MAB is the sacrificial lamb here for a last buck....anyone that doesn't see that didn't watch the first fight.
CC good posting although Valero,being the natural at the weight,packs more power imo.And like I said,Valero knows how to use foot movement in intelligent and subtle ways which in turn allows more openings to land power shots. This will help MAB but I still favour Manny,his speed will be too much as will his relentlesnessQuote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
I don't see why some people are disagreeing there is no one with similar style of Pacquiao but this is still a good sparring partner who is southpaw and can bang yes he doesn't have Pac's speed or headmovement but there isn't really anyone else so this is good choice for Barrera camp.
I agree ICB. This is kindof like Oscar trying to find a sparring partner to fight Floyd.....you are never going to find someone EXACTLY like them, but the help you out alot, they don't have to be. Edwin is a very good fighter, although flawed. His flaws will not prevent Barrerra from gettting use of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
BBUUUTT... The only way that Valero gets Barrerra a Win is if Barrerra and Valero are both allowed to fight Pac at the same time..
Good one ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
I might get a public mockery on this :-\, but eventhough Jimrex Jaca has soft chin and doesn't punch like a ton of bricks, I think he can simulate Pac's style better than Valero.
Valero doesn’t have any tactical skills, he's just a f*cking stalker.
Valero doesn’t experience to be hit by numerous hard punches.
Valero doesn’t experience to be hit in the liver, which pac oftenly defended.
Valero has lack of experience on fighting counter punchers.
Valero never faced any elite fighters. Even semi-elite Vicente Mosquera knocked him down.
Valero doesn’t have experience to be cut, while fighting full 12 rounds.
eric use valero as a sparring partner too. I don't know what some of you guys are talking about, this is the best possible sparring partner mab can get. Valero will make mab work, but ultimately mab will get the best of him.
Were they sparmates on whole Pac-EM trilogy, or just on a certain Pac-EM bout? Just curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Watching the fights of Valero is like watching Pacquaio when he was still fighting in Blow by Blow (a boxing tv show in the Philippines). Pacquaio was raw then and so is Valero now. But to be honest, Valero is starting to ripen. He has the clumsy style of Pacman and sometimes his speed is beginning to be like the Pacman's.
i guess that didnt work for eric after all. eric looked slower against pac during pac-em 2 and 3. a boxer cant expect to fight a fast fighter and expect to win after sparring exclusively with a slow slugger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Morales used Valero ALOT during their first fight...we all saw the results. :D
El Gamo,
With due respect, it was not that convincing win for Erik. Erik demanded that Manny use gloves that will not hurt him.Clearly, it was against fair play.Plus, Manny was fighting with a bad cut from a headbutt.
Erik was fighting a Pacman with one eye and no hands during that fight.
An honest opinion.SCs are not allowed.
did he have the wrong socks as well or am I thinking of another fight? :-X
Wrong fight,he was getting tested for blood for this one and didn't have enough blood to fight. :-X :D And the wrong socks led to blisters ;D ;D ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Missy
Ah, that explains it, thanks El Gamo.
good for both fighters
still i think e hit harder than pac
Agreed. Erik fought the one-fisted, one eye Pac. And Pac was right with the gloves issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee