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Marco Antonio Barrera is an old fighter, ravaged by one too many wars and unable to fend off Manny Pacquiao. In fact, one of the world’s leading boxing agents says there is only one boxer in the world capable of outscoring the Filipino legend.
Interesting. A lot of people think Pac is invincible. But really the other guy (John) is the one who has never lost.
Hmm.
Barrera looked like an "old, shot fighter" against Marquez????
Not at all. He looked in extremely good condition.
Guzman,Soto and Marquez have a better chance thn John. I'm not saying John is not a good fighter but a robbery ver JMM and hardly any other big wins does not qualify you to beat the Pacman. Let him fight some other top contenders are prove his worth before we can say he would give Manny a good fight.
CC El Gamo just what I was going to say ;D
I also have the same belief. Barrera was still effective against Marquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I'd say line them all up for Pac, and we'll find out. ;)
Lots of guys can beat Pac.
Juan Manuel Marquez
Chris John
Joan Guzman
Edwin Valero
Just to name a few.............
Valero would get battered from pillar to post no way would he beat Paquiao nor would Chris John and nor would Marquez Pacquiao has improved since the Marquez fight where as Marquez has actually got a little worse imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
I think Humberto Soto would fair well against him too. Hes always been a guy that has really immpressed me but hes always overlooked. Hopefully Manny will want to avenge his brothers loss after Barrera.
ahahha chris john? pac will knock him the fwock out in 2 rounds. that guy robbed jmm, and he has no other big fights. Another asian fighter thats scared to leave the protection of his country. At best chris john is a B fighter, his no elite. lasting with jmm will be the only highlight of his career.
guzman- everybody thinks this guy has skills, but pac will overwhelm this guy and his only getting older still only has a few good fights.
valero- one of those guys very hype, but once put in with the truth pac will teach him the difference between bums and elite of all elites. Valero would be stepping in deep water where he will drown. pac k.os him in 5
soto- bobby caught him a few times, good win for him though against bobby, but bobby is no manny. pac will catch him more and harder, pac will k.o him in 6
marco- pac k.o him again this time in 7
jmm- the only fighter that has been in with pac, besides marco nobody has any idea what it is like to fight pac. Jmm is the only fighter that can give pac trouble, he may get drop but unlike guzman soto or valero, JMM would get back up not letting pac take away his heart. I'm sure those other guys once drop would lose composure and fold under pacs pressure. JMM accepts pressure, and he is the only fighter that can stop pac in his tracks. He has to watch out for pacs hooks and uppercuts now though. I just hope this fight can happen soon, then winner can clean up the division. End the hypes of those not elite but at times hype up to be one.
How was that a robbery?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
JMM dominated John most of the rounds. He connected more clean shots. However that was years ago and time has changed. Like Pacquiao, John did a lot of improvements, and Marquez kinda slowed down a bit and been brawling more - vunerable to get hit. Atleast that's what I've observed from him against Jaca and MAB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Have you even seen the fight? JMM threw more,landed more,landed harder and lost. That's how it was a robbery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Edwin Valero wouldnt last 1 round with pacman he is slow and crude and easy to hitQuote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
I totally agree when i see the fight Marquez should of won definetly but to be fair i was watching it on very bad quality and El Gamo have you seen Marquez's fight with Freddie Norwood and was it controversial ??Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Valero is P4P one of the hardest punchers in the game. To say he would not last 1 round with Manny,who is no technical genius himself,is silly talk. I envisage Valero hurting Pacquiao at some point possibly dropping him before Manny stops Valero late.
I have most of JMM's career. I've seen his fight v Norwood and again,I recall him being dropped but he also dropped Norwood and there was a knockdown which was not called for JMM. I had the fight for JMM as did some sites but it was a close fight. Norwoods southpaw stance was awkward for JMM but he was catching up to Norwood as the fight wore on. My recollections are hazy as I have not seen it in a while but I'll watch it again later.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
http://www.boxingtimes.com/analyses/...d_marquez.html
There's a report of the fight there. They scored it for JMM too I think.
There's more than one man with the tools to beat Pacquiao. I'm betting this fight with Barrera will be a lot different than last time. Pac's still one of my favorite fighters - I love how he's fought MAB, JMM, and Morales - but he's not invincible. No one is.
I agree. Sh*t happens too in pro-boxing. Everybody could launch one lucky punch and fight would be over.Quote:
Originally Posted by bcollins
I have tremendous respect for Valero's punching power. But he will have trouble launching an accurate punch with Pac.
Valero meanwhile doesn't move his head a lot and has poor lateral moves, that would make him a great target for Pac.
The bad news for Pac is I'm not sure if he can shake off a good one from Valero :-\. But most of us know that Pac is a vicious finisher. Once he rock Valero, game over.
Pac wins mid-round TKO.
Ya, but you gotta find 'em first, though. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
I'll go with Marquez as the guy with the best chance to beat Pac.
Guzman has incredible defence, watchful judges may score Guzman favourably in that fight.
Maybe the best chance but i don't think he will win as much as i like both Marquez's i think JMM has actually got little worse since Pac fight i don't think he looks quite as sharp even though he is still great fighter where as Pac has improved since the fight thats the impression i got anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
The local tv yesterday showed the replay of the rematch between JMM's brodda and Vasquez, and all I can say is that the older one - that's Juan Manuel - is slightly better in almost all aspects - that is, power, style or technique, and heart, but the chin's probably about the same. Against Pac? Hmmm, I think I'll just keep my mouth shut. :-X 8) I think the fight might come after the Barrera fight considering the fact that Golden Boy finally gave in to Marco's 'retirement' ;D request despite Oscar's intense feud with Bob Arum.
Guzman will only win this fight if he survives the 12th round.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Big' Dan McCarthy