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Whats Next For Witter?
I know that Junior has plenty of detractors - and based on some of his fights, thats fair enough. In my opinion he's a talented fighter who, in the 'One Champ' days, would have been a very good Top ten Contender. However, he's a World Champ now so we should respect that.
I think that Witter - Malignaggi is a terrible fight for both camps. It would kill both their careers. Witter looks best when he's counter punching and Magic Man likes to peck his way to a UD. They're both decent boxers but todays fight game calls for more action.
Here's my top three picks for Juniors next bout (which should ideally be this year to build on the momentum)
1 - Ricardo Torres 32 (28) - 1.
Torres' only loss was a donnybrook against Cotto two years ago, in which he became the first man to drop Miguel before succumbing to a 7th round KO. Since then he's outpointed Arnaoutis & Mora (a Witter KO victim) and then had last weeks' controversial KO win against Holt. Let them unify in Miami where's there's plenty of Colombians & Brits to bolster the live gate. Witter has as good a chance as any of defeating Torres and I think his sharp counter punching could KO the South American within 5 rounds.
2 - Gavin Rees 27 (13) - 0.
I have to admit, I didn't give Rees a chance against M'baye. His previous 26 opponents had a combined record of 316-731-44 for a 67% losing percentage. In fact his only fight of 2007 was against Billy Smith who had lost 84% of his previous bouts! BUT, he rose to the occasion and beat a decent champ. This could be a decent fight but I'm still not convinced by Rees and think he would be out jabbed in a so-so bout by an uninspired Witter. Saying that, we don't know how good Rees is until he loses...
3 - Juan Urango 18 (14) - 1.
OK, so this one is a harder sell but we all saw Ricky Hatton holding on and being out-manned by (or fighting smart against) Urango in the later rounds. If Witter can do a number on Iron Twin then he has extra leverage for that elusive Hitman fight. I doubt if anyone can stop Urango at 140 but Junior loves come forward guys. It would be a great gauge for the Bradford boxer and a massive result if he won by KO or at least downed the stocky brawler a couple of times.
I know I rate Witter higher than most of here, but I've always been a fan of the Ingle Way. His biggest problem is the "hit & not be hit" style but if he fights good opponents often enough people will overlook that. Junior only has a couple of years left in the game. He needs to fight every 3 or 4 months.
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I agree with Torres & Rees but I'd have Malignaggi ahead of Urango.
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Originally Posted by Galaxy.
I agree with Torres & Rees but I'd have Malignaggi ahead of Urango.
Malignaggi means more but it would be a horrible fight to watch :o
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Originally Posted by taansend
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Originally Posted by Galaxy.
I agree with Torres & Rees but I'd have Malignaggi ahead of Urango.
Malignaggi means more but it would be a horrible fight to watch :o
I dunno, both are highly skilled!
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Would love to see Torres vs. Witter.
I know a lot of people dislike Witter but hes stepping up and facing tougher opponents hes hungry and he wants to fight.
Torres is on a streak here so I think it would make for a interesting fight.
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Why did that get posted again ???
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Originally Posted by Galaxy.
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Originally Posted by taansend
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Originally Posted by Galaxy.
I agree with Torres & Rees but I'd have Malignaggi ahead of Urango.
Malignaggi means more but it would be a horrible fight to watch :o
I dunno, both are highly skilled!
You're right. It's a purists fight, but Witter has a reputation based on his Judah fight so he has to avoid any boxing matches - as sad as that sounds :(
He really needs more fights like the Harris result. Hatton can afford the odd boring fight as his rep is that of Mr Excitement. Witters US rep is the opposite so he can only be involved in high action fights or maybe dominant knockouts....
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Would love to see Torres vs. Witter.
I know a lot of people dislike Witter but hes stepping up and facing tougher opponents hes hungry and he wants to fight.
Torres is on a streak here so I think it would make for a interesting fight.
I think Torres and Holt are going to have a rematch
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Would love to see Torres vs. Witter.
I know a lot of people dislike Witter but hes stepping up and facing tougher opponents hes hungry and he wants to fight.
Torres is on a streak here so I think it would make for a interesting fight.
I think Torres and Holt are going to have a rematch
What for?
Torres beat him, Torres didn't cheat.
The only thing I see there is a hostile crowd that was getting out of hand.
The same way there was a hostile crowd on the night of Chavez-Haugen, Paez-Groove I, Benvenutti-Monzon and even more recent Valero-Mosquera there was a hostile crowd there.
Loud chants, flying objects there was an uncontrolled atmosphere.
Did that cause him to loose the fight? Possibly.
Is that cheating? No.
Monzon and Valero both fought in their opponents turf/home and got past the chants/roars, objects and crowd.
Holt lost and that's that, he needs to move on and so does Torres he needs to look for his next opponent.
I think Torres vs. Witter should be it BUT come on we know it ain't happening, I think Torres - Urango would make for an interesting fight also.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Would love to see Torres vs. Witter.
I know a lot of people dislike Witter but hes stepping up and facing tougher opponents hes hungry and he wants to fight.
Torres is on a streak here so I think it would make for a interesting fight.
I think Torres and Holt are going to have a rematch
What for?
Torres beat him, Torres didn't cheat.
The only thing I see there is a hostile crowd that was getting out of hand.
The same way there was a hostile crowd on the night of Chavez-Haugen, Paez-Groove I, Benvenutti-Monzon and even more recent Valero-Mosquera there was a hostile crowd there.
Loud chants, flying objects there was an uncontrolled atmosphere.
Did that cause him to loose the fight? Possibly.
Is that cheating? No.
Monzon and Valero both fought in their opponents turf/home and got past the chants/roars, objects and crowd.
Holt lost and that's that, he needs to move on and so does Torres he needs to look for his next opponent.
I think Torres vs. Witter should be it BUT come on we know it ain't happening, I think Torres - Urango would make for an interesting fight also.
Why? Because controversy creates cash, especially in the modern day. A rematch would sell a lot in the states and they'd probably put it on PPV
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Would love to see Torres vs. Witter.
I know a lot of people dislike Witter but hes stepping up and facing tougher opponents hes hungry and he wants to fight.
Torres is on a streak here so I think it would make for a interesting fight.
I think Torres and Holt are going to have a rematch
What for?
Torres beat him, Torres didn't cheat.
The only thing I see there is a hostile crowd that was getting out of hand.
The same way there was a hostile crowd on the night of Chavez-Haugen, Paez-Groove I, Benvenutti-Monzon and even more recent Valero-Mosquera there was a hostile crowd there.
Loud chants, flying objects there was an uncontrolled atmosphere.
Did that cause him to loose the fight? Possibly.
Is that cheating? No.
Monzon and Valero both fought in their opponents turf/home and got past the chants/roars, objects and crowd.
Holt lost and that's that, he needs to move on and so does Torres he needs to look for his next opponent.
I think Torres vs. Witter should be it BUT come on we know it ain't happening, I think Torres - Urango would make for an interesting fight also.
Well said Mick. Sounds like I'm not the only one who believes Torres is very underrated. Torres deserves a chance at Witter more than Paulie. Torres has defended his belt twice to Paulie's 0. I'd also fancy Torres style to beat Witter. I think Witter would be shocked by the power.
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Originally Posted by taansend
I know that Junior has plenty of detractors - and based on some of his fights, thats fair enough. In my opinion he's a talented fighter who, in the 'One Champ' days, would have been a very good Top ten Contender. However, he's a World Champ now so we should respect that.
I think that Witter - Malignaggi is a terrible fight for both camps. It would kill both their careers. Witter looks best when he's counter punching and Magic Man likes to peck his way to a UD. They're both decent boxers but todays fight game calls for more action.
Here's my top three picks for Juniors next bout (which should ideally be this year to build on the momentum)
1 - Ricardo Torres 32 (28) - 1.
Torres' only loss was a donnybrook against Cotto two years ago, in which he became the first man to drop Miguel before succumbing to a 7th round KO. Since then he's outpointed Arnaoutis & Mora (a Witter KO victim) and then had last weeks' controversial KO win against Holt. Let them unify in Miami where's there's plenty of Colombians & Brits to bolster the live gate. Witter has as good a chance as any of defeating Torres and I think his sharp counter punching could KO the South American within 5 rounds.
2 - Gavin Rees 27 (13) - 0.
I have to admit, I didn't give Rees a chance against M'baye. His previous 26 opponents had a combined record of 316-731-44 for a 67% losing percentage. In fact his only fight of 2007 was against Billy Smith who had lost 84% of his previous bouts! BUT, he rose to the occasion and beat a decent champ. This could be a decent fight but I'm still not convinced by Rees and think he would be out jabbed in a so-so bout by an uninspired Witter. Saying that, we don't know how good Rees is until he loses...
3 - Juan Urango 18 (14) - 1.
OK, so this one is a harder sell but we all saw Ricky Hatton holding on and being out-manned by (or fighting smart against) Urango in the later rounds. If Witter can do a number on Iron Twin then he has extra leverage for that elusive Hitman fight. I doubt if anyone can stop Urango at 140 but Junior loves come forward guys. It would be a great gauge for the Bradford boxer and a massive result if he won by KO or at least downed the stocky brawler a couple of times.
I know I rate Witter higher than most of here, but I've always been a fan of the Ingle Way. His biggest problem is the "hit & not be hit" style but if he fights good opponents often enough people will overlook that. Junior only has a couple of years left in the game. He needs to fight every 3 or 4 months.
A decent champion? :lolhaha: Souleymane M'Baye had no business being a world champion. I actually saw the Rees win a mile away and actually made a point of saying it on the UK forum. Fairplay to Gav for the win, but M'Baye is not world class opposition, so he needs to start mixing it with the big boys at 140 before getting unification. He should fight someone like Lovemore N'Dou to ease him into it.
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Can anyone tell me what card Jnr fought Ndou on . Ive got the tape somewhere buyt cant remember what its labelled cuz it was on the undercard of some fight in America .
I remember it was on Setanta just cant remember the top of the bill that night
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Originally Posted by GAME
Can anyone tell me what card Jnr fought Ndou on . Ive got the tape somewhere buyt cant remember what its labelled cuz it was on the undercard of some fight in America .
I remember it was on Setanta just cant remember the top of the bill that night
Hopkins-Eastman
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Originally Posted by GAME
Can anyone tell me what card Jnr fought Ndou on . Ive got the tape somewhere buyt cant remember what its labelled cuz it was on the undercard of some fight in America .
I remember it was on Setanta just cant remember the top of the bill that night
Next for Witter hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
well for all the times hes looked awful on our screen im prayingfor a car wreck being next for Witter :)
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Would love to see Torres vs. Witter.
I know a lot of people dislike Witter but hes stepping up and facing tougher opponents hes hungry and he wants to fight.
Torres is on a streak here so I think it would make for a interesting fight.
I think Torres and Holt are going to have a rematch
What for?
Torres beat him, Torres didn't cheat.
The only thing I see there is a hostile crowd that was getting out of hand.
The same way there was a hostile crowd on the night of Chavez-Haugen, Paez-Groove I, Benvenutti-Monzon and even more recent Valero-Mosquera there was a hostile crowd there.
Loud chants, flying objects there was an uncontrolled atmosphere.
Did that cause him to loose the fight? Possibly.
Is that cheating? No.
Monzon and Valero both fought in their opponents turf/home and got past the chants/roars, objects and crowd.
Holt lost and that's that, he needs to move on and so does Torres he needs to look for his next opponent.
I think Torres vs. Witter should be it BUT come on we know it ain't happening, I think Torres - Urango would make for an interesting fight also.
Why? Because controversy creates cash, especially in the modern day. A rematch would sell a lot in the states and they'd probably put it on PPV
Yeah! right.
If HBO didn't bother with this the 1st time around there is no way they are bothering with a rematch if it comes off.
#1 this fight hasn't even been talked about much as far as the actual fight (not the contrevarsy) I'm talking about the fight. It took most sites about 4 hrs. to have something up once the fight was finished, BoxRec themselves usually have the results up 1st took there asses hours also to have the result. Now the fights getting attention but for other reasons, even then neither fighter is high profile enough for this to be PPV.
On the undercard of a major fight possibly, the main event HELL NO!
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Originally Posted by taansend
I know that Junior has plenty of detractors - and based on some of his fights, thats fair enough. In my opinion he's a talented fighter who, in the 'One Champ' days, would have been a very good Top ten Contender. However, he's a World Champ now so we should respect that.
I think that Witter - Malignaggi is a terrible fight for both camps. It would kill both their careers. Witter looks best when he's counter punching and Magic Man likes to peck his way to a UD. They're both decent boxers but todays fight game calls for more action.
Here's my top three picks for Juniors next bout (which should ideally be this year to build on the momentum)
1 - Ricardo Torres 32 (28) - 1.
Torres' only loss was a donnybrook against Cotto two years ago, in which he became the first man to drop Miguel before succumbing to a 7th round KO. Since then he's outpointed Arnaoutis & Mora (a Witter KO victim) and then had last weeks' controversial KO win against Holt. Let them unify in Miami where's there's plenty of Colombians & Brits to bolster the live gate. Witter has as good a chance as any of defeating Torres and I think his sharp counter punching could KO the South American within 5 rounds.
2 - Gavin Rees 27 (13) - 0.
I have to admit, I didn't give Rees a chance against M'baye. His previous 26 opponents had a combined record of 316-731-44 for a 67% losing percentage. In fact his only fight of 2007 was against Billy Smith who had lost 84% of his previous bouts! BUT, he rose to the occasion and beat a decent champ. This could be a decent fight but I'm still not convinced by Rees and think he would be out jabbed in a so-so bout by an uninspired Witter. Saying that, we don't know how good Rees is until he loses...
3 - Juan Urango 18 (14) - 1.
OK, so this one is a harder sell but we all saw Ricky Hatton holding on and being out-manned by (or fighting smart against) Urango in the later rounds. If Witter can do a number on Iron Twin then he has extra leverage for that elusive Hitman fight. I doubt if anyone can stop Urango at 140 but Junior loves come forward guys. It would be a great gauge for the Bradford boxer and a massive result if he won by KO or at least downed the stocky brawler a couple of times.
I know I rate Witter higher than most of here, but I've always been a fan of the Ingle Way. His biggest problem is the "hit & not be hit" style but if he fights good opponents often enough people will overlook that. Junior only has a couple of years left in the game. He needs to fight every 3 or 4 months.
No Paul Malignaggi ?? that would be Witter's best option for certain but thinking about this again i wouldn't mind seeing Witter fight Paul Malignaggi or Ricardo Torres just aslong as its one of them.
Torres would be dangerous fight it always makes me wonder how much better he could of done against Cotto had he not come in 2 weeks notice.
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Here are the WBC ratings before the Harris vs Witter fight.
Chammpion:Junir Witter
1 .- Vivian Harris (US)
2 .- Timothy Bradley (US)
3 .- Herman Ngoudjo (Canada)
4 .- Marcos Maidana (Argentina)
5 .- Jose Luis Castillo (Mexico)
6 .- Juan Lazcano (US)
7 .- Jungbum Kim (Korea) OPBF
8 .- Demetrius Hopkins (US)
9 .- Norio Kimura (Japan)
10 .- Ajose Olusegun (Nigeria) ABU/COMM
11 .- Lovemore N'Dou (South Africa)
12 .- Francisco Figueroa (US) NABF
13 .- Gianluca Branco (Italy)
14 .- Cesar Cuenca (Argentina)
15 .- Samuel Malinga (South Africa)
Juan Urango is ranked 19th so I suppose there isn't much chance of a voluntary defence against him.
I suspect that Frank Warren will keep Gavin Rees away from Junior Witter.
If it was a fight with Torres I suppose it would have to be in America to make it happen can't see either travelling to the others backyard.
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by GAME
Can anyone tell me what card Jnr fought Ndou on . Ive got the tape somewhere buyt cant remember what its labelled cuz it was on the undercard of some fight in America .
I remember it was on Setanta just cant remember the top of the bill that night
Hopkins-Eastman
Thankyou CC
Coverage started part of the way through the Witter fight that night
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Whatever he does.........stop getting ad's shaved in the back of your noggin, it's tacky as fuck.
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Originally Posted by Kel
Whatever he does.........stop getting ad's shaved in the back of your noggin, it's tacky as fuck.
Really :o I'm sorry you think that. I just had an advert for Preparation H shaved onto my nut >:mad
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The fight that makes 100% perfect sense for Witter is Hatton. Obviously that's not happening anytime soon, if ever.. (Please Junior stop hurting Ricky's feelings with your nasty disrespectful gob ::**)
I think the Paulie fight would be pony too.. surprised it's even being considered.
Rees is the obvious match but that's the one most defintely NOT going to happen.
Torres would be Witter's best match. He'd look impressive doing a number on him.
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Originally Posted by Fenster
The fight that makes 100% perfect sense for Witter is Hatton. Obviously that's not happening anytime soon, if ever.. (Please Junior stop hurting Ricky's feelings with your nasty disrespectful gob ::**)
I think the Paulie fight would be pony too.. surprised it's even being considered.
Rees is the obvious match but that's the one most defintely NOT going to happen.
Torres would be Witter's best match. He'd look impressive doing a number on him.
Torres is probably the most dangerous for Witter Torres can bang if he catches Witter with clean punch its game over for Witter he will have to be 100 percent for Torres.
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Fenster
The fight that makes 100% perfect sense for Witter is Hatton. Obviously that's not happening anytime soon, if ever.. (Please Junior stop hurting Ricky's feelings with your nasty disrespectful gob ::**)
I think the Paulie fight would be pony too.. surprised it's even being considered.
Rees is the obvious match but that's the one most defintely NOT going to happen.
Torres would be Witter's best match. He'd look impressive doing a number on him.
Torres is probably the most dangerous for Witter Torres can bang if he catches Witter with clean punch its game over for Witter he will have to be 100 percent for Torres.
So could Harris though, I THINK THE HARDEST FIGHT FOR WITTER is Malignaggi
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Fenster
The fight that makes 100% perfect sense for Witter is Hatton. Obviously that's not happening anytime soon, if ever.. (Please Junior stop hurting Ricky's feelings with your nasty disrespectful gob ::**)
I think the Paulie fight would be pony too.. surprised it's even being considered.
Rees is the obvious match but that's the one most defintely NOT going to happen.
Torres would be Witter's best match. He'd look impressive doing a number on him.
Torres is probably the most dangerous for Witter Torres can bang if he catches Witter with clean punch its game over for Witter he will have to be 100 percent for Torres.
For sure Torres is dangerous but so is Witter. Witter has the better chin, the better form and more to his game.
I'd make Witter a pretty good favourite as it goes.
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What about Dhop? If junior beat him it might give him a bigger profile in the USA.
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What about Dhop? If junior beat him it might give him a bigger profile in the USA.
I see your point, but he could make a bigger profile by beating Malignaggi as...
1. He's a fellow world champion
2. As a result he could unify
3. Malignaggi is recognised by HBO so he'd get real TV exposure.
4. D-Hop is alot greener than Paulie, as Paulie has been in with much better opposition.
Eagle...why not Nonito anymore?
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Maybe to prove a point that he hides away from noone, maybe Witter should be accepting Oleguson's challenge.
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I'd like to see Witter fight Zab again to try and avenge his only defeat. Malinaggi is my 2nd choice but i think Witter would give Zab a run for his money this time around.
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Originally Posted by ACEA
I'd like to see Witter fight Zab again to try and avenge his only defeat. Malinaggi is my 2nd choice but i think Witter would give Zab a run for his money this time around.
I think Witter would beat him let alone give him a run for his money
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Originally Posted by eagle
What about Dhop? If junior beat him it might give him a bigger profile in the USA.
I see your point, but he could make a bigger profile by beating Malignaggi as...
1. He's a fellow world champion
2. As a result he could unify
3. Malignaggi is recognised by HBO so he'd get real TV exposure.
4. D-Hop is alot greener than Paulie, as Paulie has been in with much better opposition.
Eagle...why not Nonito anymore?
I only had to be Nonito for a month. That was the deal. I kinda meant DHOP as an option if Paulie or one of the other bigger names fell thru.
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Originally Posted by Fenster
The fight that makes 100% perfect sense for Witter is Hatton. Obviously that's not happening anytime soon, if ever.. (Please Junior stop hurting Ricky's feelings with your nasty disrespectful gob ::**)
I think the Paulie fight would be pony too.. surprised it's even being considered.
Rees is the obvious match but that's the one most defintely NOT going to happen.
Torres would be Witter's best match. He'd look impressive doing a number on him.
until the Julian Jackson curse...
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Fenster
The fight that makes 100% perfect sense for Witter is Hatton. Obviously that's not happening anytime soon, if ever.. (Please Junior stop hurting Ricky's feelings with your nasty disrespectful gob ::**)
I think the Paulie fight would be pony too.. surprised it's even being considered.
Rees is the obvious match but that's the one most defintely NOT going to happen.
Torres would be Witter's best match. He'd look impressive doing a number on him.
Torres is probably the most dangerous for Witter Torres can bang if he catches Witter with clean punch its game over for Witter he will have to be 100 percent for Torres.
So could Harris though, I THINK THE HARDEST FIGHT FOR WITTER is Malignaggi
I agree Witter would beat Torres and Rees but him and Paulie would make a bad clash of styles
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by ACEA
I'd like to see Witter fight Zab again to try and avenge his only defeat. Malinaggi is my 2nd choice but i think Witter would give Zab a run for his money this time around.
I think Witter would beat him let alone give him a run for his money
I agree Witter owns Zab next time
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For me personal interest this is the order
1) Paul Malignaggi (it's the only way to get the fight televised state-side)
2) Ricardo Torres (he's got a decent name and a lot of power)
3) Herman Ngoudjo (he can make for an entertaining fight)
4) Zab Judah (If I thought there was a chance for Judah to come back to 140, I would love to see this)
5) Juan Urango
6) Gavin Rees
7) Gianluca Branco
Ug 140 is about the shallowest division for talent right now.
