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I don't know maybe I am not scoring MMA bouts right....I give points for control and agression.....IMO Hamill beat Bispimg in the stand up and owned him on the ground yet get the decision WTF am I wrong here or am I really scoring these fights wrong?
Well personally i had Hammil winning 2-1 but i dont think it was the worst decision ever, i gave Hammil the first and Bisping the third the second was close but overall imo Hammil did enough, im sure they will be a rematch but fir me Bisping is not a 205 lb fighter he was connecting with big shots on Hammils chin and having no effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Also you have to take into account how big and popular Bisping is in England and how much revenue the Ufc are bringing in from the U.K off his back, that might also have something to do with the decision.
It was a classic hometown decision. Hamil won the first 2 rounds. Bisping was impressive in the 3rd but definitely didn't win either of the first 2.
Was a pretty good fight though.
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Originally Posted by skel1983
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
That is basically how I scord it...So at least I know I scord it correctly...CC's
You're not the only one, man. I thought bisping got beat around like a ragdoll last night. Honestly, I was shocked at how one sided that fight was. I thought Bisping was going to win the stand up war hands down. I had no doubt in my mind that Hamill was going to take the decision. It was saddening.
Truth is I figured Bisping was going to walk through him....I was really suprised at Hamill's improved stand up and then the ground and poundQuote:
Originally Posted by Entragian
it was a robbery
Hell yes he was given a gift decision. Hammill clearly won the fight, possibly losin the last round, but not on my scorecard, like that one judge, I had it 3-0 for Hammill. Bisping ran like a bitch, and really doesn't even know how to run properly, or box. He's an ass for acting the way he did after the fight too, he knows he lost. >:mad
I don't know funk all about MMA but didn't think it was an out-and-out sick robbery. Hamill tired to the point of hardly doing anything. I had money on Bisping but thought he lost. Result.
As for him running, Hamill looked much bigger than him. Constantly moving seemed a sensible ploy to me.
It was horrible.
There was no way bisping won that fight. I felt like turning the channel when it was announced, But hats off to hamil for taking it like a champ and giving the credit that wasnt really deserved.
Its just up to the second round.
Hamill easily won the first obviously.
Bisping pretty clearly won the third although not as dominant as Hamill was in the first. Still I'm not sure how Hamill could have gotten the third round.
I thought Hamill won the second although I guess you could make a case that Bisping won it. So I thought Hamill won but its just down to the second round.
Hamill definately should have won. I could even see him winning every round, tough the last round was close. At worst Hamill should have won 2 rounds to 1.
Here is what i wrote on another thread
The Hamill Bisping fight was close. I think everyone agrees hamill won the first round and that is beyond dispute. he landed some shots in the first and did the damage to Bisping in the first. In the second yes Hamill was the one coming forward but he landed nothing. Just coming forward is not enough, you have to do something and Hamill landed nothing. bisping threw more punches and landed more than Hamill. Yes Matt got a takedown, but he did nothing with it!!! When on the ground bipsing was busier from the bottom looking for a sub that Hamill was on top just laying on top of Mike. Mike won the 2nd round.
The 3rd. Again Hamill landed nothing whereas Mike landed shots, moved better and threw more. All hamill did was come forward and miss. He got a couple of takedowns that Mike did well to stand up from but again he did NOTHING whilst on the gound. Mike was looking for an arm, trying to work the rubber guard etc.
It was a close fight and i know i am in the minority but watch the fight again and see how much Matt misses in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. He had nothing to offer. If the fight would have gone another two round Mike would have been a clear winner.
As i said it was a close fight but i think Bisping edged it. Everyone is just swayed by the fact Matt was the one coming forward the whole time, totally ignoring the fact he landed nothing whilst coming forward.
Ho hum
You say he landed nothing? But look at both guys faces after the fight? Bisping looked like he had just been jumped by 15 hoodies down a back alley, while Hammil looked like hed just done a light weights session down the gym.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munky
Nothing of significance. Watch the fight again, Bispings face was badly damaged from the first round when he was expecting to be taken down at will and Hamill came out throwing bombs. Different people react different ways to being pucnhed, some swell more than others. Swelling and markings not only come from punches. I've been in judo matches and my face has been a fugging mess just from rubbing, trying to escape from holds etc.
Watch the fight again mate. In rounds 2 and 3 yes hamill comes forward, but lands next to nothing. Bisping is more active and throws and lands more by far. The takedowns might have been the deciding factor but hamill did nothing with them, once they were on the ground Bisping was busier.
I understand i'm in the minority but its the way i see it. It was very close and i can see how a decision could go either way. I hope there is a rematch.
Round one. 10-9 obviously Hamill, he took him down at will, rocked Bisping a couple of times, opened up cuts under both eyes.
Round two. 10-9 Hamill. Hamill had two takedowns, was more aggressive and controlled the octagon the whole time. They both landed shots but I think Hamill's were bigger. Bisping tried to counter punch but ended up backpedaling the whole round.
Round three. Close round at best 10-9 Bisping. He landed some big shots, stuffed Hamill twice, and worked a few subs but Hamill had some nice takedowns and worked the ground.
The worst part is Bispings lack of class after the fight. Hamill made him look bad in AND out of the ring.
Bisping got exposed, Hamill got robbed, and the fans got screwed. Everyone lost that fight.
HAHA, I saw it and I thought Hamil won. Now whats up MMA fans you guys are crooked too, can we start a MMA is dying thread now? With all the corrupt decisions ;)
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Munky, I swear to God I read that and I thought that was my post from the UFC 75 thread.
Great post and I agree completely and wholeheartedly. I thought Bisping won round 2 definitely. They only spent like a minute on the ground and once the heavy jab of Hammil's left then he had nothing standing up. He was moving forward but he didn't win I don't think. Bisping was countering very well that round. Round 3 was closer because of the takedowns, but Hammil controlled the stand up again and I gave him the round. I could understand this round going to Hammil, I thought it was in the air up to the very last minute and I gave the nod to Bisping. Close fight.
Fair enough good points, but i just feel Bisping wasnt hurting Hamil, anyway some good debates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munky
I had it for Hammil, but as Munky and Amat said there can be an argument for Bisping working on the ground and getting to his feet.
I maintain hometown desicion but as someone mentioned it could have been attributed to the popularity and revenue of the UFC in the UK
I pretty much agree with Munky and Amat although at the time I scored it close for Hammil cause of the second. Bisping outworked him that round but I'm not sure he really landed much of anything. Might try to watch it again.
I haven't watched MMA for that long so I was wondering how much credit for a guy like Hammil get for taking Bisping down and then not doing anything? Just as a fan I think really who gives a shit, he didn't do anything with it, but I guess its considered scoring points.
Its pretty hard to take a fighter down... its leverage, technique, timing, balance and in some cases brute strength, as much as fighters train to take down they learn to defend it as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I think hamils lack of ground and pound as well as submissions made him a little weary to actually grapple with Bisping who is a better submission fighter. Albeit ground and pound looks like a middleschool fight it entails alot as well. You have to have steady position and balance to make sure you dont get to recrless and get armbarred or traingled and not to mentioned straight up reversed. Its all subtle skills and technique that gets overlooked by many and the sport gets denegrated as just a plain old street fight since the skill it takes gets overshadowed :-\
I mean more like how much credit points wise should a guy get for taking some one down if he doesn't do anything. Say a guy's losing the standup but not badly, its fairly close, would a takedown-even if he doesn't follow up- be enough to tip the round in his favor?Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
I was very unimpressed with both of them...I thought Hamil won though but neither of these guys really belong in the 205 title or top ten picture....Is Hamil with Team Punishment? If he is its odd that his cardio was sucking so bad
I broadly agree with Amat and Munky. I had Hamil dominating round 1, the second was close but you could make a case for Bisping winning it. The third round was definitely Bispings round.
I think a draw would have been the best result but it could have gone either way,
I thought Bisping was an absolute cock after the fight though, saying Hamil should 'go back to wrestling' as if he dominated when he came damn close to being sparked out and humiliated really pissed me off.
Best possible case scenario for me........
Bisping fights Houston Alexander next, Houston absolutely knocks him into next week and tells an excited Joe Rogan to tell Bisping when he wakes up that he can fuck off back to Cyprus.
Disclaimer
Bilbo would like to make it absolutely clear however that I in no way mean this because Bisping is a Cypriat or that I have anything against people from Cyprus, I do not, I was actually good friends with a Cypriat once. I just say it because Bisping is an arrogant cock and I want someone to tell him to fuck off back to where he came from in the same way he does to his opponents after every fight. )
:P
Also agree with Van, neither looked that impressive.
Bilbo, spot on. Bispings comments were a little uncalled for especially when you consider Hamill took his defeat on the chin like a man. Although after a fight and with the adrenaline pumping through your veins, if you have a microphone shoved under your nose you will say all kinds of shit!
Oh and also. Houston Alexander is a feckin BEAST! What was it goldberg or rogan said? "that guy is VIOLENT" lol
it was pretty close, hammil ran out of steem. he dominated bisping til he got less aggressive. I thought hammil should of won too but the decision was not that bad since its hammil that let it be a close fight.