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PACQUIAO CAN BE ANOTHER SUGAR RAY ROBINSON
Can he really equal Sugar Ray Robinson? O0
Here's the news:
http://philboxing.com/news/story-12502.html
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SRR had 3 great trilogies. Pac needs 2 more.
Marami pang kakaining bigas si Manny.
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No he can't
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No offense to anyone, but the idea that Pacquiao could be mentioned in the same sentence with Ray Robinson is one of the 2 or 3 most ridiculous things I've ever read.
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Thats all just crazy talk......
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
No offense to anyone, but the idea that Pacquiao could be mentioned in the same sentence with Ray Robinson is one of the 2 or 3 most ridiculous things I've ever read.
LMFAO!!! Agreed.
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Whew. All that laughing brought a tear to my eye.
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The probability of PAcquaio equaling SRR may or may not happen. Considering that Pacquaio is still improving, I'm taking the issue seriously.
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The probability of PAcquaio equaling SRR will not happen. Considering that Pacquaio is still improving, I'm taking the issue seriously.
I fixed your post for you.
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The probability of PAcquaio equaling SRR may or may not happen. Considering that Pacquaio is still improving, I'm taking the issue seriously.
You have a valid point and I'm not rediculing you. It just that they're not even in the same breath bro. I think it's a little too late for Pac to achieve what SRR accomplished.
Cc for the topic anyways ;)
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thanks for the cc. cc back to you.
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thanks for the cc. cc back to you.
:beerchug:
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Originally Posted by brucelee
The probability of PAcquaio equaling SRR may or may not happen. Considering that Pacquaio is still improving, I'm taking the issue seriously.
You are out there, dude! ;D
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Come on PAC! Only 145 more fights to go and 13 years to get there. You can do it!
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Originally Posted by brucelee
The probability of PAcquaio equaling SRR may or may not happen. Considering that Pacquaio is still improving, I'm taking the issue seriously.
Manny is a few months away from his 29th birthday. When SRR turned 29, he had a record of 107-1.
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Look all he has to do is fight 145 more times, probably win every belt in every division to welterweight. Have a trilogy with Mayweather and beat him twice, beat Hatton three times, beat jmm again, beat MAB, cotto, casamayor, diaz, williams, dela hoya, Margarito, cintron, malignaggi, katsidis, then he will be the new ray robinson. Its that easy.....
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The probability of PAcquaio equaling SRR may or may not happen. Considering that Pacquaio is still improving, I'm taking the issue seriously.
Manny is a few months away from his 29th birthday. When SRR turned 29, he had a record of 107-1.
That was before when the promoters still don't care about the health of boxers. 107 -1 fights (are all these fights great?) The situation now will not provide Manny with that same number of fights.We can only compare the two fighters then on the quality of the fights.
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The probability of PAcquaio equaling SRR may or may not happen. Considering that Pacquaio is still improving, I'm taking the issue seriously.
Manny is a few months away from his 29th birthday. When SRR turned 29, he had a record of 107-1.
That was before when the promoters still don't care about the health of boxers. 107 -1 fights (are all these fights great?) The situation now will not provide Manny with that same number of fights.We can only compare the two fighters then on the quality of the fights.
SRR wouldn't have lost to Erik Morales.
SRR wouldn't have fought to a draw with Juan Manuel Marquez.
SRR wouldn't get KOd by Medgoen Singsurat.
Look, Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter, and a very exciting fighter. But he's not SRR, he's never been SRR, and he never will be SRR.
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The probability of PAcquaio equaling SRR may or may not happen. Considering that Pacquaio is still improving, I'm taking the issue seriously.
Manny is a few months away from his 29th birthday. When SRR turned 29, he had a record of 107-1.
That was before when the promoters still don't care about the health of boxers. 107 -1 fights (are all these fights great?) The situation now will not provide Manny with that same number of fights.We can only compare the two fighters then on the quality of the fights.
A fighter could still come along these days and have less fights yet still be as good as Robinson. Take Floyd mayweather for example. If he was to have another 20 fights and in those remain undefeated and beat all the big names of the era all the way to and including 160 (Mosely, Hatton, Cotto, Williams, Cintron, Margarito, Wright, Spinks, Taylor, Pavlik, etc) then i think many would rate him as good as Robinson. The argument that todays fighters will never be recognised as great becase of a lack of fights is wrong, they just have to make sure they pack more quality opponents into their shorter careers.
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Originally Posted by brucelee
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The probability of PAcquaio equaling SRR may or may not happen. Considering that Pacquaio is still improving, I'm taking the issue seriously.
Manny is a few months away from his 29th birthday. When SRR turned 29, he had a record of 107-1.
That was before when the promoters still don't care about the health of boxers. 107 -1 fights (are all these fights great?) The situation now will not provide Manny with that same number of fights.We can only compare the two fighters then on the quality of the fights.
SRR wouldn't have lost to Erik Morales.
SRR wouldn't have fought to a draw with Juan Manuel Marquez.
SRR wouldn't get KOd by Medgoen Singsurat.
Look, Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter, and a very exciting fighter. But he's not SRR, he's never been SRR, and he never will be SRR.
Okay, I respect your opinion. Only time will tell how great/weak manny will become. As of now, let's enjoy the moment when we have Manny beating all the superfeatherweights. At least we can tell to our grandchildren that we have seen how Manny fought and how great/bad he was.
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The probability of PAcquaio equaling SRR may or may not happen. Considering that Pacquaio is still improving, I'm taking the issue seriously.
Manny is a few months away from his 29th birthday. When SRR turned 29, he had a record of 107-1.
That was before when the promoters still don't care about the health of boxers. 107 -1 fights (are all these fights great?) The situation now will not provide Manny with that same number of fights.We can only compare the two fighters then on the quality of the fights.
A fighter could still come along these days and have less fights yet still be as good as Robinson. Take Floyd mayweather for example. If he was to have another 20 fights and in those remain undefeated and beat all the big names of the era all the way to and including 160 (Mosely, Hatton, Cotto, Williams, Cintron, Margarito, Wright, Spinks, Taylor, Pavlik, etc) then i think many would rate him as good as Robinson. The argument that todays fighters will never be recognised as great becase of a lack of fights is wrong, they just have to make sure they pack more quality opponents into their shorter careers.
I fully agree on you eagle.cc from me.
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The probability of PAcquaio equaling SRR may or may not happen. Considering that Pacquaio is still improving, I'm taking the issue seriously.
Manny is a few months away from his 29th birthday. When SRR turned 29, he had a record of 107-1.
That was before when the promoters still don't care about the health of boxers. 107 -1 fights (are all these fights great?) The situation now will not provide Manny with that same number of fights.We can only compare the two fighters then on the quality of the fights.
A fighter could still come along these days and have less fights yet still be as good as Robinson. Take Floyd mayweather for example. If he was to have another 20 fights and in those remain undefeated and beat all the big names of the era all the way to and including 160 (Mosely, Hatton, Cotto, Williams, Cintron, Margarito, Wright, Spinks, Taylor, Pavlik, etc) then i think many would rate him as good as Robinson.
The argument that todays fighters will never be recognised as great becase of a lack of fights is wrong, they just have to make sure they pack more quality opponents into their shorter careers.
I agree, I wasn't making that argument. SRR's record was better than Manny's in terms of both quality and quantity.
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by brucelee
The probability of PAcquaio equaling SRR may or may not happen. Considering that Pacquaio is still improving, I'm taking the issue seriously.
Manny is a few months away from his 29th birthday. When SRR turned 29, he had a record of 107-1.
You were implying SweetPea that a boxer is considered great based on the number of fights. It can be clearly extracted from your comment.
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The probability of PAcquaio equaling SRR may or may not happen. Considering that Pacquaio is still improving, I'm taking the issue seriously.
Manny is a few months away from his 29th birthday. When SRR turned 29, he had a record of 107-1.
That was before when the promoters still don't care about the health of boxers. 107 -1 fights (are all these fights great?) The situation now will not provide Manny with that same number of fights.We can only compare the two fighters then on the quality of the fights.
A fighter could still come along these days and have less fights yet still be as good as Robinson. Take Floyd mayweather for example. If he was to have another 20 fights and in those remain undefeated and beat all the big names of the era all the way to and including 160 (Mosely, Hatton, Cotto, Williams, Cintron, Margarito, Wright, Spinks, Taylor, Pavlik, etc) then i think many would rate him as good as Robinson. The argument that todays fighters will never be recognised as great becase of a lack of fights is wrong, they just have to make sure they pack more quality opponents into their shorter careers.
I fully agree on you eagle.cc from me.
This doesnt mean i think Manny will ever be as good as Robinson tho.
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by brucelee
The probability of PAcquaio equaling SRR may or may not happen. Considering that Pacquaio is still improving, I'm taking the issue seriously.
Manny is a few months away from his 29th birthday. When SRR turned 29, he had a record of 107-1.
That was before when the promoters still don't care about the health of boxers. 107 -1 fights (are all these fights great?) The situation now will not provide Manny with that same number of fights.We can only compare the two fighters then on the quality of the fights.
A fighter could still come along these days and have less fights yet still be as good as Robinson. Take Floyd mayweather for example. If he was to have another 20 fights and in those remain undefeated and beat all the big names of the era all the way to and including 160 (Mosely, Hatton, Cotto, Williams, Cintron, Margarito, Wright, Spinks, Taylor, Pavlik, etc) then i think many would rate him as good as Robinson.
The argument that todays fighters will never be recognised as great becase of a lack of fights is wrong, they just have to make sure they pack more quality opponents into their shorter careers.
I agree, I wasn't making that argument. SRR's record was better than Manny's in terms of both quality and quantity.
I agree that Manny's record will never be as good as SRR's
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I think Manny should aspire to be the next Azumah Nelson, not SRR.
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Laff at me 'til you drop if you wish or throw whatever you wish at me, or call me the nuttest of the nuts, but I think Pac would've beaten SRR if they fought today and had the same weight... Ok, let 'em out, folks... As a matter of fact, I think most top-class boxers of the last 30 or so years could have beaten any of the favorites of the old. It's just a common sense, all sports have progressed tremendously in the last 30 or so years, all the records of the old have been broken by leaps and bounds (I'm only talking here of the records of athletes whose perfomance can be objectively measured like those in most track-and-field events, all forms of racing, and many others) and I have absolutely no reason to believe boxing is the only exception. Even the records of Jesse Owens, who in his time left all his rivals gasping way far behind him, can be broken by high school athletes today. All right, have whatever laff you want, I don't give a shat (sorry I'm very bad at spelling them words), and how 'bout some soda cans and bottles? - I'll still be sitting here unperturbed underneath my nice pink umbrella. ;D
Geeze, it's me and Bruce against the world, naw against the idiots, I mean, very nice idiots. ;) :-* Stand your groud pal, I'm pretty sure we're on the 'right' side. :lickish:
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Originally Posted by eagle
Look all he has to do is fight 145 more times, probably win every belt in every division to welterweight. Have a trilogy with Mayweather and beat him twice, beat Hatton three times, beat jmm again, beat MAB, cotto, casamayor, diaz, williams, dela hoya, Margarito, cintron, malignaggi, katsidis, then he will be the new ray robinson. Its that easy.....
LOL!
Eagle thou art a man worthy of my praise. That sir tis be the funniesth thingeth I have read all week on this post
a cooleth click I bestow upon thee
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Laff at me 'til you drop if you wish or throw whatever you wish at me, or call me the nuttest of the nuts, but I think Pac would've beaten SRR if they fought today and had the same weight... Ok, let 'em out, folks... As a matter of fact, I think most top-class boxers of the last 30 or so years could have beaten any of the favorites of the old. It's just a common sense, all sports have progressed tremendously in the last 30 or so years, all the records of the old have been broken by leaps and bounds (I'm only talking here of the records of athletes whose perfomance can be objectively measured like those in most track-and-field events, all forms of racing, and many others) and I have absolutely no reason to believe boxing is the only exception. Even the records of Jesse Owens, who in his time left all his rivals gasping way far behind him, can be broken by high school athletes today. All right, have whatever laff you want, I don't give a shat (sorry I'm very bad at spelling them words), and how 'bout some soda cans and bottles? - I'll still be sitting here unperturbed underneath my nice pink umbrella. ;D
Geeze, it's me and Bruce against the world, naw against the idiots, I mean, very nice idiots. ;) :-* Stand your groud pal, I'm pretty sure we're on the 'right' side. :lickish:
you have a pink umbrella???
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Laff at me 'til you drop if you wish or throw whatever you wish at me, or call me the nuttest of the nuts, but I think Pac would've beaten SRR if they fought today and had the same weight... Ok, let 'em out, folks... As a matter of fact, I think most top-class boxers of the last 30 or so years could have beaten any of the favorites of the old. It's just a common sense, all sports have progressed tremendously in the last 30 or so years, all the records of the old have been broken by leaps and bounds (I'm only talking here of the records of athletes whose perfomance can be objectively measured like those in most track-and-field events, all forms of racing, and many others) and I have absolutely no reason to believe boxing is the only exception. Even the records of Jesse Owens, who in his time left all his rivals gasping way far behind him, can be broken by high school athletes today. All right, have whatever laff you want, I don't give a shat (sorry I'm very bad at spelling them words), and how 'bout some soda cans and bottles? - I'll still be sitting here unperturbed underneath my nice pink umbrella. ;D
Geeze, it's me and Bruce against the world, naw against the idiots, I mean, very nice idiots. ;) :-* Stand your groud pal, I'm pretty sure we're on the 'right' side. :lickish:
Penalosafan, you sure stand your ground. You are worthy to be called my buddy.... for your brave defense I will give you cc for ten days.Here's my first.
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aint no way pac could beat sug. Dude was way too big for him. Manny would have probably gotten KO'd. I think the sug man only fought at 129 way early in his career. Maybe two or three times. After that he filled in at 147 to 160's. Manny would have looked like Linda Blair with his head spinning.
Not to say that Manny is not good but this hypothetical match up does not make sense to the Ol Dog. Mad_Dog is one brilliant son of a gun.
he is cool too.
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Originally Posted by penalosafan
Laff at me 'til you drop if you wish or throw whatever you wish at me, or call me the nuttest of the nuts, but I think Pac would've beaten SRR if they fought today and had the same weight... Ok, let 'em out, folks... As a matter of fact, I think most top-class boxers of the last 30 or so years could have beaten any of the favorites of the old. It's just a common sense, all sports have progressed tremendously in the last 30 or so years, all the records of the old have been broken by leaps and bounds (I'm only talking here of the records of athletes whose perfomance can be objectively measured like those in most track-and-field events, all forms of racing, and many others) and I have absolutely no reason to believe boxing is the only exception. Even the records of Jesse Owens, who in his time left all his rivals gasping way far behind him, can be broken by high school athletes today. All right, have whatever laff you want, I don't give a shat (sorry I'm very bad at spelling them words), and how 'bout some soda cans and bottles? - I'll still be sitting here unperturbed underneath my nice pink umbrella. ;D
Geeze, it's me and Bruce against the world, naw against the idiots, I mean, very nice idiots. ;) :-* Stand your groud pal, I'm pretty sure we're on the 'right' side. :lickish:
U could also argue that SRR would have been even better, and would beat any of the modern day fighters if he had the training, diet, etc of todays fighters. Its a two way argument.
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pac can not be another sugar ray robinson. pac will be the next himself. The best filipino fighter ever is pancho villa, pac is closing in on that in my oppinion but that does not mean he'll be the next pancho villa. pancho had 100 plus fight and died before his 23rd or 24th bday and already was the first typoon across the pacific.
jack johnson was the first all time great, but ali is mostly praise to be the original. Anyways it all depends on the media, and majority of the fans opinions. Remember opinions are not facts. Its hard to go against the world, so while I may say ali was a copy cat of jack johnson. It won't stop people from still believing ali is the original greatest :P to avoid getting redicule and bash, I will just go along with every body else opinion and say ali is the greatest. as much as i like ali, jack was the original ;D
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Robinson would never blame a bad night on wearing the wrong socks or using the wrong gloves
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Someone needs to shut this thread down before it starts getting real nasty >:mad Hey,don't get me wrong,I like Manny alot but when fans write things like this,it disheartens you.
No fucking way Manny should even be mentioned in the same paragraph as SRR. Never. Whoever wrote that article..... >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad
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El Gamo,
Cool man. I will change the topic.
"Pacman better than Robinson".
Seriously, Pacman is pacman and Robinson is robinson. Robinson, the greatest of all time. Pacman, one of the greatest of all time (warning:that's from a Pacman fan).
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PACMAN may no have a classic style like SRR but without doubt PACMAN is a modern great in my opinion
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I was going to reply, but i jus cant be bothered getting into arguements about pac anymore.
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Ya, the SRR is a legend no doubt (just like tracker Jesse Owens) but don't make him a god - the way you guys treat him it's as if I'm talking blasphemy. C'mon guys, wake up, competition now is definitely much more high in all sports, so don't tell me boxing is an exception, I won't buy that for sure. Use your mind fellas, not heart - as they say when the heart and mind clash, it's the heart that always wins but the mind is always right. :-\ I've got high rate of analyzing fights correctly here cuz I use my mind and don't usually let my emotions affect my analysis. (The only one I missed lately is the Barrera/Marquez fight where I went for KO by Barrera which was not farfetched though - I still think prime Marco would've KO's Marquez simply because he has 'highly questionable' chin.)
Besides, the SRR has some losses to his record, and I'm pretty sure most of the fighters then would be considered 'cab drivers' by standard now - it's just a common sense. Let me also add that it's not pac only I have in mind who I think can beat him, I think many other modern legends can beat him too, like Chavez and who knows, even Barrera - as I've said before, competition is definitely higher now. That should make many of you happy cuz I've noticed about half of the guys here who's saying otherwise are the usual ones who usually got nothing much good to say about pac. ;D Jesse Owens, though highly respected like SRR and rightly so, is not treated the same only because we have tape-measures and stop-watches that can accurate measure the athletes performances. Because of them, we know Jesse Owens, who led all his rivals by wide margin during his time, can be beaten by a high school athletes! Imagine that. If we had a device like that for boxing, I'm pretty sure the results would be identical - though I'm pretty sure SRR won't be beaten by a high school kid ;D. Don't get me wrong though, I do respect SRR as a legend, no doubt about that, but beating the best of fighters today, hmm, that's another story.
So again, I'm standing my ground solidly as ever, unperturbed by what others say, but still under my nice pink umbrella. :-* :-* ;D
