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Fighters Where You Disliked Them As A Person But Was A Fan Of There Skills.
Carlos Monzon
Aaron Pryor
Muhammad Ali
James Toney
I'll think of some more later.
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Mayweather Jr. - His skills are insane, but out of the ring i'm not a huge fan.
Bernard Hopkins- This stems from the PR flag incident.
Roberto Duran- I was young, and SRL was my favorite fighter so I couldn't help but get caught up in the good vs evil hype. I was a kid what can I say. ;D
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Michael Nunn
Antonio Cervantes
Vinny Pazienza.....Skill ???
Floyd MaywIthers :cheerleader:
Chris Eubank
Teddy Reid
Tommy Morrison
Cory Spinks
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Mayweather
Naz
Toney
Witter
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Marlon Starling. - Possibly cos he beat up Lloyd Honeyghan.
Floyd Mayweather. - Nuff said.
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Naseem Hamed: Prat
Erik Morales: Iv only warmed to Erik Recently.
Floyd: Obviously.
Oscar: Same as Erik.
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Joe Frazier---More now then when he was fighting
Larry Holmes--Me and ICB went through this on the Larry Holmes Beyond the Glory thread...Holmes is just so self serving
Floyd Jr--Only when he is on camera..if no camera is around he is a hell of a nice guy
Zab Judah--Just a punk wasting his skills...the whole idea for most guys is to get out of the ghetto no Zab wants to get deeper in
Erik Morales--Sore loser
but i like watching them all fight
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Gerald Mcclellan... reportedly into dog fighting, animal cruelty ect. But goddamn he was a lot of fun to watch in the ring.
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I don't know about him as a person but i really dislike glen johnson but the guy can fight !! Mayweather has got to be the front runner on this topic though...the guy is a huge ass but he's the best there is right now.
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I don't like Taylor cos of the way he fights, but I really admire his jab.
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Joe Calzaghe. Never once denied the mans talent. Very skilled fighter. But he's severely overrated. Made his name off bums and shot fighters. And until recently was a straight coward for avoiding Kessler
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Joe Calzaghe. Never once denied the mans talent. Very skilled fighter. But he's severely overrated. Made his name off bums and shot fighters. And until recently was a straight coward for avoiding Kessler
Thrive off controversy dontcha ;D
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Mundine, talks rubbish but has good skills for a guy with no amature background and only started boxing in his mid 20s.
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Holyfield- cant stand his squeaky clean, god fearing persona.
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Mayweather
Barrera
Tyson
Lewis
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Holyfield- cant stand his squeaky clean, god fearing persona.
Don't forget how it was recently discovered that he was having steroids shipped to his house ;)
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The fighter that I respect the most...I pretty much hate the most as a person...or as how he portrays himself media wise.
Floyd Mayweather jr.
Can't stand James "Fat Ass" Toney either...but he's a hell of a fighter...or he was.
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sloppy jermain taylor
michael spinks
w.klitsckho
80 % of fighters i just don't feel like naming
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Mayweather
Naz
Judah
Mundine
Pacquiao
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How Can I FOrget The Half Time El'Diablo,Angel Manfredy.Had Some Skills & Heart But Save That Lecture bio for Sunday!
CC For C.Burton
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Ali
Tyson
Toney
Vargas
Camacho
RJJ
Judah
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Ali
Tyson
Toney
VargasCamacho
RJJ
Judah
In the ring he was fantastic to watch, I totally agree......shame he was rushed into fights with elite (and much more experienced) guys so early in his career. I still respect him above many for his courage in the ring.
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I dont like Peter Manfredo jr as a person , BUT WOT A SKILLED FIGHTER !!!!!!! LOL
Others
Toney
Mayweather
Holmes
all trash talkers
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Huge Tyson fan but would not get on with him as a person, other than boxing we would disagree on his rape, ear biting and him wasting his career big time because he had no character.
Naz for his Muslim nonsense that he started to air during the end of his career.
Mayweather for believing he is the greatest boxer of all time.
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Ali
Tyson
Toney
VargasCamacho
RJJ
Judah
In the ring he was fantastic to watch, I totally agree......shame he was rushed into fights with elite (and much more experienced) guys so early in his career. I still respect him above many for his courage in the ring.
I agree. His career would have gone much farther if not pushed so fast. His problem was his power. Everyone thought that was going to be enough to carry him.
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Ali
Tyson
Toney
VargasCamacho
RJJ
Judah
In the ring he was fantastic to watch, I totally agree......shame he was rushed into fights with elite (and much more experienced) guys so early in his career. I still respect him above many for his courage in the ring.
I agree. His career would have gone much farther if not pushed so fast. His problem was his power. Everyone thought that was going to be enough to carry him.
I don't really see how he could of done much better he beat Wright, Quartey, and just fell shot against elites like Tito, Oscar, Mosley, even if he would of had these match ups in the later stages of his career i don't see it making any difference.
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Ali
Tyson
Toney
VargasCamacho
RJJ
Judah
In the ring he was fantastic to watch, I totally agree......shame he was rushed into fights with elite (and much more experienced) guys so early in his career. I still respect him above many for his courage in the ring.
I agree. His career would have gone much farther if not pushed so fast. His problem was his power. Everyone thought that was going to be enough to carry him.
I don't really see how he could of done much better he beat Wright, Quartey, and just fell shot against elites like Tito, Oscar, Mosley, even if he would of had these match ups in the later stages of his career i don't see it making any difference.
I did some checking back in to the records of some other well known fighters and it looks like I was wrong. Of the guys I looked up, most of them had a "step up" kind of a fight in and around the same number of fights and number of years pro. Now, they weren't step up fights to the likes of Winky but still.
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Vargas was the best up and comming fighter I have ever seen. He was pushed fast and achieved a lot but if he was more "carefully" managed he would have had a longer career and maybe have been more successful but nothing is guaranteed. Some fighters need to be pushed quickly because they will self destruct if they are not kept busy ala Tyson, others would get bored and be unmotivated if they had no challenge which may have been the case for Vargas.
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Vargas was the best up and comming fighter I have ever seen. He was pushed fast and achieved a lot but if he was more "carefully" managed he would have had a longer career and maybe have been more successful but nothing is guaranteed. Some fighters need to be pushed quickly because they will self destruct if they are not kept busy ala Tyson, others would get bored and be unmotivated if they had no challenge which may have been the case for Vargas.
Maybe a longer career but i don't see him doing better than what he done like i said in previous post he beat Wright and Quartey in good fashion then lost to prime Tito and to be honest Vargas at any stage in his career would lose to prime Tito and losing to Oscar and Mosley twice these fighters are the elite of the elite Vargas could not of beaten any of these fighters even if they would of put Vargas in with these guys at later stage in Vargas's career it wouldn't of made a difference but i respect Vargas he gave us some exciting fights but just fell short against the elites.
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Vargas was the best up and comming fighter I have ever seen. He was pushed fast and achieved a lot but if he was more "carefully" managed he would have had a longer career and maybe have been more successful but nothing is guaranteed. Some fighters need to be pushed quickly because they will self destruct if they are not kept busy ala Tyson, others would get bored and be unmotivated if they had no challenge which may have been the case for Vargas.
Maybe a longer career but i don't see him doing better than what he done like i said in previous post he beat Wright and Quartey in good fashion then lost to prime Tito and to be honest Vargas at any stage in his career would lose to prime Tito and losing to Oscar and Mosley twice these fighters are the elite of the elite Vargas could not of beaten any of these fighters even if they would of put Vargas in with these guys at later stage in Vargas's career it wouldn't of made a difference but i respect Vargas he gave us some exciting fights but just fell short against the elites.
I've never been a Vargas fan...basically due to how he handled & acted towards Oscar...one thing's for sure...while I do agree he looked good agaist a prime Quartey...he surely didn't beat Winky Wright in good fashion.
Rewatch that one.
That was one hack assed decision right there.
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Vargas could have been an elite fighter if he was managed better and more carefully. He was that good. Considering Oscar showed and Hopkins proved that Tito was beatable, a more experienced Vargas may not have rushed recklessly at Tito and lost the fight in the first round. Remembering that he did knock Tito in the fifth. Also against Oscar, a more experienced Vargas may have paced himself better. Also he may have moved up in weight and have some sort of career at middleweight rather than be weakened making the light middle limit which contributed a lot to Vargas losing the fights against Mosley. This is all with hindsight but it could have been different and Vargas being more successful.
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Vargas was the best up and comming fighter I have ever seen. He was pushed fast and achieved a lot but if he was more "carefully" managed he would have had a longer career and maybe have been more successful but nothing is guaranteed. Some fighters need to be pushed quickly because they will self destruct if they are not kept busy ala Tyson, others would get bored and be unmotivated if they had no challenge which may have been the case for Vargas.
Maybe a longer career but i don't see him doing better than what he done like i said in previous post he beat Wright and Quartey in good fashion then lost to prime Tito and to be honest Vargas at any stage in his career would lose to prime Tito and losing to Oscar and Mosley twice these fighters are the elite of the elite Vargas could not of beaten any of these fighters even if they would of put Vargas in with these guys at later stage in Vargas's career it wouldn't of made a difference but i respect Vargas he gave us some exciting fights but just fell short against the elites.
I've never been a Vargas fan...basically due to how he handled & acted towards Oscar...one thing's for sure...while I do agree he looked good agaist a prime Quartey...he surely didn't beat Winky Wright in good fashion.
Rewatch that one.
That was one hack assed decision right there.
I watched that one twice Wacko i even had that in my controversial decisions thread Vargas imo won the fight he won all championship rounds i don't think it was a robbery i could see arguement either way there was few rounds that were close about 3 of them.
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Vargas was the best up and comming fighter I have ever seen. He was pushed fast and achieved a lot but if he was more "carefully" managed he would have had a longer career and maybe have been more successful but nothing is guaranteed. Some fighters need to be pushed quickly because they will self destruct if they are not kept busy ala Tyson, others would get bored and be unmotivated if they had no challenge which may have been the case for Vargas.
Maybe a longer career but i don't see him doing better than what he done like i said in previous post he beat Wright and Quartey in good fashion then lost to prime Tito and to be honest Vargas at any stage in his career would lose to prime Tito and losing to Oscar and Mosley twice these fighters are the elite of the elite Vargas could not of beaten any of these fighters even if they would of put Vargas in with these guys at later stage in Vargas's career it wouldn't of made a difference but i respect Vargas he gave us some exciting fights but just fell short against the elites.
I've never been a Vargas fan...basically due to how he handled & acted towards Oscar...one thing's for sure...while I do agree he looked good agaist a prime Quartey...he surely didn't beat Winky Wright in good fashion.
Rewatch that one.
That was one hack assed decision right there.
I watched that one twice Wacko i even had that in my controversial decisions thread Vargas imo won the fight he won all championship rounds i don't think it was a robbery i could see arguement either way there was few rounds that were close about 3 of them.
Yep...I happen to own that fight & watch it religiously.
My whole thing is this...they gave Vargas that fight by MD & that's just bullshit.
I can't recall the exact scores off the top of me noggin...but they were off by either a point or two & then one judge had it a draw. It may have been 1 point each...but no more than two...but again, I could be mistaken as I aint poppin it in for discussion's sake, at the moment Wacko is hung watchin My Lil' Pony courtesy of my glorious 3 year old.
The main thing that bothered me (besides watching MLP) was the cheerleading. I know that Merchant loves Vargas & Lampley generally follows suit...but they were applauding Vargas for shots that he was landing on Wright's mitts & forearms. They know better than that.
The only thing that Vargas had going for him was the fact that Wright aint a KO puncher...it'd been his ass if that were the case. Although Wright did fade in rounds 11 & 12...I just don't think that it was enough to keep him from getting the nod.
Going into the bout I knew that Wright wouldn't get the lean...& that's a shame because generally Wright has to FIGHT for his wins & no one recogz that.
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Vargas was the best up and comming fighter I have ever seen. He was pushed fast and achieved a lot but if he was more "carefully" managed he would have had a longer career and maybe have been more successful but nothing is guaranteed. Some fighters need to be pushed quickly because they will self destruct if they are not kept busy ala Tyson, others would get bored and be unmotivated if they had no challenge which may have been the case for Vargas.
Maybe a longer career but i don't see him doing better than what he done like i said in previous post he beat Wright and Quartey in good fashion then lost to prime Tito and to be honest Vargas at any stage in his career would lose to prime Tito and losing to Oscar and Mosley twice these fighters are the elite of the elite Vargas could not of beaten any of these fighters even if they would of put Vargas in with these guys at later stage in Vargas's career it wouldn't of made a difference but i respect Vargas he gave us some exciting fights but just fell short against the elites.
I've never been a Vargas fan...basically due to how he handled & acted towards Oscar...one thing's for sure...while I do agree he looked good agaist a prime Quartey...he surely didn't beat Winky Wright in good fashion.
Rewatch that one.
That was one hack assed decision right there.
I watched that one twice Wacko i even had that in my controversial decisions thread Vargas imo won the fight he won all championship rounds i don't think it was a robbery i could see arguement either way there was few rounds that were close about 3 of them.
Yep...I happen to own that fight & watch it religiously.
My whole thing is this...they gave Vargas that fight by MD & that's just bullshit.
I can't recall the exact scores off the top of me noggin...but they were off by either a point or two & then one judge had it a draw. It may have been 1 point each...but no more than two...but again, I could be mistaken as I aint poppin it in for discussion's sake, at the moment Wacko is hung watchin My Lil' Pony courtesy of my glorious 3 year old.
The main thing that bothered me (besides watching MLP) was the cheerleading. I know that Merchant loves Vargas & Lampley generally follows suit...but they were applauding Vargas for shots that he was landing on Wright's mitts & forearms. They know better than that.
The only thing that Vargas had going for him was the fact that Wright aint a KO puncher...it'd been his a** if that were the case. Although Wright did fade in rounds 11 & 12...I just don't think that it was enough to keep him from getting the nod.
Going into the bout I knew that Wright wouldn't get the lean...& that's a shame because generally Wright has to FIGHT for his wins & no one recogz that.
Heres my scorecard Wacko.
1 Vargas
2 Wright
3 Wright
4 Vargas
5 Wright
6 Wright
7 Vargas
8 Wright
9 Wright
10 Vargas
11 Vargas
12 Vargas
114-114 draw
Great fight some great inside fighting.
