Clottey Collazo confirmed,winner gets shot at Cintron

The only problem is the $$$ between the promoters involved but the IBF has said the fight should take place,possibly on the Vargas Mayorga undercard.

Id like to see Collazo win this one, he's had a bad run. Iv liked him as a boxer since his fight with Hatton (funnily enough as im a rabid Ricky fan,) so i hope that he utilises his full potential and wins this. A problem could be that he just doesnt throw enough, (thats what i feel cost him against both Hatton and Mosely.)
But Good luck to him.

I'm a big fan of collazo as well, i hope to see him break this little slump....

I'm a big fan of Collazo's too, but I don't think he's going to win. Clottey believes he is elite and it's just the rest of us who haven't realized it yet. Clottey is going to bang bang bang away at Luis' body until the slickster isn't so slick and his already solid chin won't be bothered by Collazo's pitty-pat power.

Clottey and Collazo are both excellent fighters but neither are elites at 147 in my opinion.

I fancy Luis to win this fight via split but it will be close. Clottey hits fairly hard but not massively so and I'm not sure how good he is at catching someone elusive like Luis. Collazo is not a huge puncher but he has very fast,accurate,short sharp punches and is excellent at countering.

I don't think Clotteys style is good for chasing an elusive fighter. It's better for either standing his ground and trading or being chased. It'll be an excellent fight either way.

I'm going with Clotey to win this in a close fight

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Clottey and Collazo are both excellent fighters but neither are elites at 147 in my opinion.

I fancy Luis to win this fight via split but it will be close. Clottey hits fairly hard but not massively so and I'm not sure how good he is at catching someone elusive like Luis. Collazo is not a huge puncher but he has very fast,accurate,short sharp punches and is excellent at countering.

I don't think Clotteys style is good for chasing an elusive fighter. It's better for either standing his ground and trading or being chased. It'll be an excellent fight either way.

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Just shows how stacked the WW division is, that these guys aren't at the top of the ladder.. Both damn good boxers, I think this will be one hell of a fight. Your right that Clottey might not be as effective vs someone slick, as all we've really seen him shine against are rugged come forward bangers, Baldo, Margartio, Corrales etc. But Collazo isn't exactly a Pernell Whittaker, he stands his ground and fights in the pocket alot of the time as well, I can't really pick a winner here. I guess I'm leaning slightly towards Clottey wearing him down to the body and coming on big late in the fight, but each guy bring a lot to the table that the other have never seen.. The easy pick for me, is that either of these guys will beat Cintron, least imo. I give Kermit a better chance against Collazo as he may have enough power to take the wheels of Luis early on. I think Clottey would just hang tough with Cintron and break him down slowly.

i like clottey. hope he wins

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Clottey and Collazo are both excellent fighters but neither are elites at 147 in my opinion.

I fancy Luis to win this fight via split but it will be close. Clottey hits fairly hard but not massively so and I'm not sure how good he is at catching someone elusive like Luis. Collazo is not a huge puncher but he has very fast,accurate,short sharp punches and is excellent at countering.

I don't think Clotteys style is good for chasing an elusive fighter. It's better for either standing his ground and trading or being chased. It'll be an excellent fight either way.

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Just shows how stacked the WW division is, that these guys aren't at the top of the ladder.. Both damn good boxers, I think this will be one hell of a fight. Your right that Clottey might not be as effective vs someone slick, as all we've really seen him shine against are rugged come forward bangers, Baldo, Margartio, Corrales etc. But Collazo isn't exactly a Pernell Whittaker, he stands his ground and fights in the pocket alot of the time as well, I can't really pick a winner here. I guess I'm leaning slightly towards Clottey wearing him down to the body and coming on big late in the fight, but each guy bring a lot to the table that the other have never seen.. The easy pick for me, is that either of these guys will beat Cintron, least imo. I give Kermit a better chance against Collazo as he may have enough power to take the wheels of Luis early on. I think Clottey would just hang tough with Cintron and break him down slowly.

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CC man,excellent points(BTW why don't you post more,I like reading your opinions even though I don't agree most of the time and you're wrong quite alot :D) And totally agree,I cannot believe that these 2 are in a division where they are not the best or even top 5!

I understand what you are saying about Collazo but when he stands and trades(watch teh Rivera fight at times and the Gonzalez fight) he usually fires his punches and is gone again. The times Rivera was scoring points is when he was trapping Luis on the ropes.Another thing against Clottey is his activity levels.Sometimes,he's far far too passive. He can be outworked. And he tends to gass during the stretch,I think these definitely work against him here.

The only part I disagree with totally is the Cintron part. I'm a bit of an undercover Kermit fan and I think he is a great fighter and the strongest puncher in the diivsion. In fact,I think he has P4P power. I personally think he would have more problems with Collazo because I'm not sure how he would do against someone slick.

Against Clottey,Cintron would have the chance to let his bombs go and he would land on Joshua,and in my thinking,I don't think anyone can stand in front of Cintron and hope to win a war(except Tony and maybe Cotto_) Joshua leaves himself open to the body and thats what Kermit would target allllll night long. Clottey's handsped would cause problems for Cintron but I think his power would win the fight for him.

Clottey will stop Collazo and will stop Cintron.

I think Collazo wins it.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Clottey and Collazo are both excellent fighters but neither are elites at 147 in my opinion.

I fancy Luis to win this fight via split but it will be close. Clottey hits fairly hard but not massively so and I'm not sure how good he is at catching someone elusive like Luis. Collazo is not a huge puncher but he has very fast,accurate,short sharp punches and is excellent at countering.

I don't think Clotteys style is good for chasing an elusive fighter. It's better for either standing his ground and trading or being chased. It'll be an excellent fight either way.

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Just shows how stacked the WW division is, that these guys aren't at the top of the ladder.. Both damn good boxers, I think this will be one hell of a fight. Your right that Clottey might not be as effective vs someone slick, as all we've really seen him shine against are rugged come forward bangers, Baldo, Margartio, Corrales etc. But Collazo isn't exactly a Pernell Whittaker, he stands his ground and fights in the pocket alot of the time as well, I can't really pick a winner here. I guess I'm leaning slightly towards Clottey wearing him down to the body and coming on big late in the fight, but each guy bring a lot to the table that the other have never seen.. The easy pick for me, is that either of these guys will beat Cintron, least imo. I give Kermit a better chance against Collazo as he may have enough power to take the wheels of Luis early on. I think Clottey would just hang tough with Cintron and break him down slowly.

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CC man,excellent points(BTW why don't you post more,I like reading your opinions even though I don't agree most of the time and you're wrong quite alot :D) And totally agree,I cannot believe that these 2 are in a division where they are not the best or even top 5!

I understand what you are saying about Collazo but when he stands and trades(watch teh Rivera fight at times and the Gonzalez fight) he usually fires his punches and is gone again. The times Rivera was scoring points is when he was trapping Luis on the ropes.Another thing against Clottey is his activity levels.Sometimes,he's far far too passive. He can be outworked. And he tends to gass during the stretch,I think these definitely work against him here.

The only part I disagree with totally is the Cintron part. I'm a bit of an undercover Kermit fan and I think he is a great fighter and the strongest puncher in the diivsion. In fact,I think he has P4P power. I personally think he would have more problems with Collazo because I'm not sure how he would do against someone slick.

Against Clottey,Cintron would have the chance to let his bombs go and he would land on Joshua,and in my thinking,I don't think anyone can stand in front of Cintron and hope to win a war(except Tony and maybe Cotto_) Joshua leaves himself open to the body and thats what Kermit would target allllll night long. Clottey's handsped would cause problems for Cintron but I think his power would win the fight for him.

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I think Cintron is a bit overrated, I mean really... Was his knocking out Walter Mathysee or some Suarez guy supposed to be that impressive or indicative of his place in the division?? The last live fighter he fought gave him all hell in David Estrada, and Clottey is an even tougher SOB who has way better skills and physical tools. I don't know if he's even improved much at all since fighting Margarito... He looked impressive beating Teddy Reid before that as well.. I do think he's a real dangerous and hard puncher, but I don't think he can beat a world class fighter who can take his punch and put pressure on him. His only defence I can see is really to hang on when a guy get's in close with him, he can't fight in the pocket, he's not a counter puncher, he's a limited guy, moreso than any of the other big WW's imo. Id put Collazo and Clottey above him easily in a top 10 welter list.

Well,although Cintron's level of opposition is not that great,guys like Mathysse,Reid,Suarez and Estrada were all decent fighters. I don't know,I just think being with Manny has given him confidence. He defintely uses more movement than before and his jab is better than it has been. These factors,combined with his power,make him dangerous imo.

And you made one of the best points,"don't think he can beat a world class fighter who can take his punch" because very very few fighters could take his punch imo. I obviously see his limitations but the thing most people use to say he is not that good is the Margarito fight but a.) few in the division are as tough as Tony and b.) it was a styles thing.

I don't see many that can stand and trade him with him and his confidence is also visibly growing.

I think Clottey squeaks by in a tough close fight with Collazo. Great match-up though & with the victor to face Cintron it just gets better! Cintron/ Clottey is a much harder fight to pick, Kermit's power is undeniable but so is Clottey's chin IMO.

Both are good fighters, I think Clottey will pull it off with his defense, they both are great technicians. Collazo has to be given some credit tho, he will mix it up with anyone....Hatton, Mosely, now Clottey. The southpaw style may give Clottey a little problem but he will land more over the 12 rounds and win a close one on the cards.

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Well,although Cintron's level of opposition is not that great,guys like Mathysse,Reid,Suarez and Estrada were all decent fighters. I don't know,I just think being with Manny has given him confidence. He defintely uses more movement than before and his jab is better than it has been. These factors,combined with his power,make him dangerous imo.

And you made one of the best points,"don't think he can beat a world class fighter who can take his punch" because very very few fighters could take his punch imo. I obviously see his limitations but the thing most people use to say he is not that good is the Margarito fight but a.) few in the division are as tough as Tony and b.) it was a styles thing.

I don't see many that can stand and trade him with him and his confidence is also visibly growing.

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Few in the division are as tough as Tony, but Id say Clottey is one of them. That's partly why I think he'll beat Cintron handily. It wasn't just a style thing that caused KErmit to lose to TOny, it was like I said, that Margarito could take his punches and get inside on him consistently. If anything Margarito has a style which should favour Cintron as he can be timed on the way in... But I don't even remember Cintron landing a great deal of punches, he was pretty much ineffective when Margarito closed the distance. I think Clottey will do the same thing. As would Mosley, Cotto, or Tony in a rematch. And as far as Cintron vs Collazo, we can only speculate that Kermit will do better against a slick fighter who doesn't do much infighting, as he's never faced a guy with excellent movement, handspeed, counters, or defence in general. When he does we'll see exactly how much his jab and lateral movement have improved... I think his best chance at beating a top guy is Paul Williams, and many seem to think the same. Williams just seems to have the perfect style for Cintro to exploit. He is soo lanky, and throws so much leather he leaves big openings at times. It's the perfect example of a volume fighter vs KO puncher.. and the puncher usually has the edge. It will be a good test for Cintron no doubt, but if he can stay composed, time and sit down on big shots, he'll catch Williams and imo KO him.

Collazo by decision. Just looking at both guys styles I think Collazo has a bit of an advantage. For some of the reasons Gamo mentioned.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

Collazo by decision. Just looking at both guys styles I think Collazo has a bit of an advantage. For some of the reasons Gamo mentioned.

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:) :D Good choice. ;)

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Well,although Cintron's level of opposition is not that great,guys like Mathysse,Reid,Suarez and Estrada were all decent fighters. I don't know,I just think being with Manny has given him confidence. He defintely uses more movement than before and his jab is better than it has been. These factors,combined with his power,make him dangerous imo.

And you made one of the best points,"don't think he can beat a world class fighter who can take his punch" because very very few fighters could take his punch imo. I obviously see his limitations but the thing most people use to say he is not that good is the Margarito fight but a.) few in the division are as tough as Tony and b.) it was a styles thing.

I don't see many that can stand and trade him with him and his confidence is also visibly growing.

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Few in the division are as tough as Tony, but Id say Clottey is one of them. That's partly why I think he'll beat Cintron handily. It wasn't just a style thing that caused KErmit to lose to TOny, it was like I said, that Margarito could take his punches and get inside on him consistently. If anything Margarito has a style which should favour Cintron as he can be timed on the way in... But I don't even remember Cintron landing a great deal of punches, he was pretty much ineffective when Margarito closed the distance. I think Clottey will do the same thing. As would Mosley, Cotto, or Tony in a rematch. And as far as Cintron vs Collazo, we can only speculate that Kermit will do better against a slick fighter who doesn't do much infighting, as he's never faced a guy with excellent movement, handspeed, counters, or defence in general. When he does we'll see exactly how much his jab and lateral movement have improved... I think his best chance at beating a top guy is Paul Williams, and many seem to think the same. Williams just seems to have the perfect style for Cintro to exploit. He is soo lanky, and throws so much leather he leaves big openings at times. It's the perfect example of a volume fighter vs KO puncher.. and the puncher usually has the edge. It will be a good test for Cintron no doubt, but if he can stay composed, time and sit down on big shots, he'll catch Williams and imo KO him.

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I totally agree with you on the PW fight,I think that's why Kermit wants to fight him so much,he knows he stands a good chance of KTFO Paul(which I'd like to see ;D) I see your points on Clottey v Cintron and sure Clottey is tough but like I said,I think Kermit,with an effective gameplan beats him. I mean Clottey is pretty much open to the body,because of his high guard and if Margarito could wear him out with bodyshots,I'm pretty sure Kermit could too.

I'm not sure about Cintron v Cotto. I love Cotto but he;s been wobbled by lesser fighters, Cintron hits a dam sight harder than Corley and Zab so I think Cotto would have a tough fight although ultimately he would prevail. Imagine Cotto v Kermit,PR parade day unification match? That would be sensational!

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Collazo by decision. Just looking at both guys styles I think Collazo has a bit of an advantage. For some of the reasons Gamo mentioned.

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:) :D Good choice. ;)

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Well,although Cintron's level of opposition is not that great,guys like Mathysse,Reid,Suarez and Estrada were all decent fighters. I don't know,I just think being with Manny has given him confidence. He defintely uses more movement than before and his jab is better than it has been. These factors,combined with his power,make him dangerous imo.

And you made one of the best points,"don't think he can beat a world class fighter who can take his punch" because very very few fighters could take his punch imo. I obviously see his limitations but the thing most people use to say he is not that good is the Margarito fight but a.) few in the division are as tough as Tony and b.) it was a styles thing.

I don't see many that can stand and trade him with him and his confidence is also visibly growing.

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Few in the division are as tough as Tony, but Id say Clottey is one of them. That's partly why I think he'll beat Cintron handily. It wasn't just a style thing that caused KErmit to lose to TOny, it was like I said, that Margarito could take his punches and get inside on him consistently. If anything Margarito has a style which should favour Cintron as he can be timed on the way in... But I don't even remember Cintron landing a great deal of punches, he was pretty much ineffective when Margarito closed the distance. I think Clottey will do the same thing. As would Mosley, Cotto, or Tony in a rematch. And as far as Cintron vs Collazo, we can only speculate that Kermit will do better against a slick fighter who doesn't do much infighting, as he's never faced a guy with excellent movement, handspeed, counters, or defence in general. When he does we'll see exactly how much his jab and lateral movement have improved... I think his best chance at beating a top guy is Paul Williams, and many seem to think the same. Williams just seems to have the perfect style for Cintro to exploit. He is soo lanky, and throws so much leather he leaves big openings at times. It's the perfect example of a volume fighter vs KO puncher.. and the puncher usually has the edge. It will be a good test for Cintron no doubt, but if he can stay composed, time and sit down on big shots, he'll catch Williams and imo KO him.

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I totally agree with you on the PW fight,I think that's why Kermit wants to fight him so much,he knows he stands a good chance of KTFO Paul(which I'd like to see ;D) I see your points on Clottey v Cintron and sure Clottey is tough but like I said,I think Kermit,with an effective gameplan beats him. I mean Clottey is pretty much open to the body,because of his high guard and if Margarito could wear him out with bodyshots,I'm pretty sure Kermit could too.

I'm not sure about Cintron v Cotto. I love Cotto but he;s been wobbled by lesser fighters, Cintron hits a dam sight harder than Corley and Zab so I think Cotto would have a tough fight although ultimately he would prevail. Imagine Cotto v Kermit,PR parade day unification match? That would be sensational!

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I don't think Cintron would stand a good chance of koing Williams i mean Margarito hit him with his best shots and kept coming and Margarito is very very hard hitter at Welterweight i don't see Cintron doing nowhere near better than Margarito done against Williams.

Cintron vs Cotto should be held in Puerto Rico El Gamo just imagine the atmosphere anyway as for Cintron vs Cotto i see Cotto being hurt and maybe knocked down early but i see him coming back and stopping Cintron in 6th round of a slugfest.

ICE,I disagree. Margarito could have done better v Williams and Cintron has far more power,punch for punch,than Tony.He has that long body to aim for and I don't think PW could take his bombs.

Yeah,like I said,Cintron v Cotto would be awesome! It depends on whether Cotto can stand and take Cintron's power.I'd favour Miguel too for sure but man it would be exciting!

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Collazo by decision. Just looking at both guys styles I think Collazo has a bit of an advantage. For some of the reasons Gamo mentioned.

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:) :D Good choice. ;)

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Well,although Cintron's level of opposition is not that great,guys like Mathysse,Reid,Suarez and Estrada were all decent fighters. I don't know,I just think being with Manny has given him confidence. He defintely uses more movement than before and his jab is better than it has been. These factors,combined with his power,make him dangerous imo.

And you made one of the best points,"don't think he can beat a world class fighter who can take his punch" because very very few fighters could take his punch imo. I obviously see his limitations but the thing most people use to say he is not that good is the Margarito fight but a.) few in the division are as tough as Tony and b.) it was a styles thing.

I don't see many that can stand and trade him with him and his confidence is also visibly growing.

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Few in the division are as tough as Tony, but Id say Clottey is one of them. That's partly why I think he'll beat Cintron handily. It wasn't just a style thing that caused KErmit to lose to TOny, it was like I said, that Margarito could take his punches and get inside on him consistently. If anything Margarito has a style which should favour Cintron as he can be timed on the way in... But I don't even remember Cintron landing a great deal of punches, he was pretty much ineffective when Margarito closed the distance. I think Clottey will do the same thing. As would Mosley, Cotto, or Tony in a rematch. And as far as Cintron vs Collazo, we can only speculate that Kermit will do better against a slick fighter who doesn't do much infighting, as he's never faced a guy with excellent movement, handspeed, counters, or defence in general. When he does we'll see exactly how much his jab and lateral movement have improved... I think his best chance at beating a top guy is Paul Williams, and many seem to think the same. Williams just seems to have the perfect style for Cintro to exploit. He is soo lanky, and throws so much leather he leaves big openings at times. It's the perfect example of a volume fighter vs KO puncher.. and the puncher usually has the edge. It will be a good test for Cintron no doubt, but if he can stay composed, time and sit down on big shots, he'll catch Williams and imo KO him.

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I totally agree with you on the PW fight,I think that's why Kermit wants to fight him so much,he knows he stands a good chance of KTFO Paul(which I'd like to see ;D) I see your points on Clottey v Cintron and sure Clottey is tough but like I said,I think Kermit,with an effective gameplan beats him. I mean Clottey is pretty much open to the body,because of his high guard and if Margarito could wear him out with bodyshots,I'm pretty sure Kermit could too.

I'm not sure about Cintron v Cotto. I love Cotto but he;s been wobbled by lesser fighters, Cintron hits a dam sight harder than Corley and Zab so I think Cotto would have a tough fight although ultimately he would prevail. Imagine Cotto v Kermit,PR parade day unification match? That would be sensational!

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EG... what's up bro? Just catching up on things and reading about who would win between Cotto and Cintron. Frankly, that's one fight I wouldn't want to see unless both were champs and with noone left to beat. And THEN... I'm not sure who I'd put my money on. Cotto's got the better chin, a much better attack to the body, and has shown the ability to survive tough rounds. Cintron has devastating KO power with both hands, and has improved his boxing ability under Stewart. Tough call.... there'd be no decision here. It would be a late KO by either one. By Cintron, if he lands one too many head shots... or by Cotto, if he softens Cintron's body enough. If they fought right now, I'd have to lean slightly toward Cotto.

I Think Collazo has the skill required to allow him victories over many of the "upper tier," welterweights. Should Luis overcome this obstacle id favour him against Cintron and Margarito.

One fight i dont wanna dream of is Collazo/Williams, those styles would clash horribly.