PACQUIAO – THE BEST IN THE WORLD?

Here are some excerpt of the story:

"The Ring’s esteemed editor-in-chief and a good friend Nigel Collins, went one step further and told us last Thursday that another dominant display by Pacquiao against legendary Mexican Marco Antonio Barrera in their rematch at the Mandalay Bay Resort Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada on October 6 “could conceivably push Manny into the No.1 position in the Ring Magazine’s pound-for-pound ratings.”

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The WBC president in a conversation with James Blears of the widely-read boxingscen.com said “many of the new heroes are stepping down and leaving the sport. They’re getting old. So boxing has to protect the performance of the heroes until the time of new heroes come. That is our obligation.”

While conceding that Mayweather was to him “the best pound-for-pound as a boxer” Sulaiman stressed that the best pound-for-pound in “excitement, passion, tension and aggressiveness” is Pacquiao.
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In his Ringside editorial for the March 2007 issue of Ring Magazine, Collins wrote “although they are unquestionably two of the sport’s finest practitioners (referring to Mayweather and Pacquiao) when it comes to providing entertainment, ‘Pac-Man” is so far ahead of ‘Pretty Boy’ they’re not even in the same league.”
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here's the link
http://philboxing.com/news/story-12583.html

Mayweather is the best no doubt.

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Mayweather is the best no doubt.

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according to the news, that remains to be seen after December 8.

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Mayweather is the best no doubt.

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according to the news, that remains to be seen after December 8.

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Skillwise Mayweather and what he has accomplished he is way above the rest i have no doubt he will beat Hatton.

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Mayweather is the best no doubt.

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according to the news, that remains to be seen after December 8.

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Skillwise Mayweather and what he has accomplished he is way above the rest i have no doubt he will beat Hatton.

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I agree with the issue on skill. Mayweather may be able to beat Hatton but according to the news if he defeats Hatton by decision (something like that), he will surely go down from the Ring's p4p ratings.

Fucking garbage. P4P in excitement? Gimme a break. I love Pac but Floyd is the best fighter in the sport and anyone who says otherwise is either extremely biased or has no idea what boxing is about.

How exciting a guy is or if he's knocking guys out shouldn't have anything to do with rankings. Its about winning, skill and quality of opposition. If Floyd beats Hatton (be it a 1st round KO or a boring decision) and drops from #1, the Ring's rankings will lose all credibility.

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Mayweather is the best no doubt.

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according to the news, that remains to be seen after December 8.

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Skillwise Mayweather and what he has accomplished he is way above the rest i have no doubt he will beat Hatton.

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I agree with the issue on skill. Mayweather may be able to beat Hatton but according to the news if he defeats Hatton by decision (something like that), he will surely go down from the Ring's p4p ratings.

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Why's that ?? Hatton is tough guy and is 43-0 and has won world titles in 2 weight divisions i find it hard for anyone to rate Mayweather lower in there rankings if he beat Hatton convincely by a decision that imo would be stupid whoever done that.

Only people who would do that are the people that don't know there boxing or are just plain haters.

Exactly. For Floyd to win a decision over Hatton 43-0 Ricky Hatton, who seems to be in his prime and looked incredible in his last fight, would be much more impressive than Pac beating the shit out of Barrera, who he already KO'd once and hasn't looked very impressive in his last couple of fights. Barrera is on the downside of his career, Hatton is in his prime.

Let's wait what Pacstraight and Penalosafan say about this.

As pacman fans, there will be great rejoicing in our camp if this happens. ;D :club:

If Manny looks brilliant against MAB,he goes to the top imo UNTIL Mayweather Hatton,in which case,as long as Mayweather does not look bad,he goes back to number 1.

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If Manny looks brilliant against MAB,he goes to the top imo UNTIL Mayweather Hatton,in which case,as long as Mayweather does not look bad,he goes back to number 1.

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That's better.

PAcquaio as number 1 p4p=Golden days for the Philippines.

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If Manny looks brilliant against MAB,he goes to the top imo UNTIL Mayweather Hatton,in which case,as long as Mayweather does not look bad,he goes back to number 1.

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Manny's been there done that i don't see how beating a fading Barrera again would rank him number 1.

Floyds been tearing through compedition since like 96. Never lost a fight. Pac lost to an aging Morales just 2 years ago.

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If Manny looks brilliant against MAB,he goes to the top imo UNTIL Mayweather Hatton,in which case,as long as Mayweather does not look bad,he goes back to number 1.

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i say if manny takes marco out he retains no. 2 then if pbf performs poorly that's the time they exchange places at the top.

and that's coming from a true blue pac fan. :)

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If Manny looks brilliant against MAB,he goes to the top imo UNTIL Mayweather Hatton,in which case,as long as Mayweather does not look bad,he goes back to number 1.

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i say if manny takes marco out he retains no. 2 then if pbf performs poorly that's the time they exchange places at the top.

and that's coming from a true blue pac fan. :)

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CC for being totally honest about it. I take back what I wrote and take your view. :D ;) Good post.

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If Manny looks brilliant against MAB,he goes to the top imo UNTIL Mayweather Hatton,in which case,as long as Mayweather does not look bad,he goes back to number 1.

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Manny's been there done that i don't see how beating a fading Barrera again would rank him number 1.

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Yeah,you're right,I take KK's stance on the situation.

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Floyds been tearing through compedition since like 96. Never lost a fight. Pac lost to an aging Morales just 2 years ago.

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Tearing through opposition? Oh you mean Sharmba,Gatti? ??? Who has he faced at 147 or 140 that is more accomplished/better than even this aged version of MAB?? DOn't get me wrong,Mayweather is certainly P4P number 1 right now.

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If Manny looks brilliant against MAB,he goes to the top imo UNTIL Mayweather Hatton,in which case,as long as Mayweather does not look bad,he goes back to number 1.

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i say if manny takes marco out he retains no. 2 then if pbf performs poorly that's the time they exchange places at the top.

and that's coming from a true blue pac fan. :)

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CC for being totally honest about it. I take back what I wrote and take your view. :D ;) Good post.

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If Manny looks brilliant against MAB,he goes to the top imo UNTIL Mayweather Hatton,in which case,as long as Mayweather does not look bad,he goes back to number 1.

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Manny's been there done that i don't see how beating a fading Barrera again would rank him number 1.

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Yeah,you're right,I take KK's stance on the situation.

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Floyds been tearing through compedition since like 96. Never lost a fight. Pac lost to an aging Morales just 2 years ago.

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Tearing through opposition? Oh you mean Sharmba,Gatti? ??? Who has he faced at 147 or 140 that is more accomplished/better than even this aged version of MAB?? DOn't get me wrong,Mayweather is certainly P4P number 1 right now.

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To be honest Gamo there wern't really anyone at Lightwelterweight except for Hatton because Tszyu retired and that fight is happening now anyway as for Welterweight there wasn't really anyone either Cotto was still too green Williams was still too green and Margarito was calling him out but Margarito hadn't done a damn thing Mayweather hasn't ducked anyone and has beat good fighters and also goodish opposition to be honest bro can you name many fighters that have achieved and beat as many quality opposition as Mayweather ??

Genaro Hernandez
Diego Corrales
Carlos Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo
Victoriano Sosa
Oscar De La Hoya
Carlos Baldomir
Zab Judah
Arturo Gatti
Sharmba Mitchell
Phillip N'dou

Ok so few of them aren't greatest fighters in the world but these aren't a bad set of names to have on your record if you ask me.

Only other fights that could of happened are.

Paul Spadafora
Joel Casamayor
Antonio Margarito

And even these fights wouldn't of been easy to make except the Margarito fight but that wouldn't of done anything for Mayweather.

i think the influx of pinoy members is starting to cloud your judgement EG. ;D

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i think the influx of pinoy members is starting to cloud your judgement EG. ;D

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Dude,I think you're right BUT.......

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If Manny looks brilliant against MAB,he goes to the top imo UNTIL Mayweather Hatton,in which case,as long as Mayweather does not look bad,he goes back to number 1.

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i say if manny takes marco out he retains no. 2 then if pbf performs poorly that's the time they exchange places at the top.

and that's coming from a true blue pac fan. :)

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CC for being totally honest about it. I take back what I wrote and take your view. :D ;) Good post.

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If Manny looks brilliant against MAB,he goes to the top imo UNTIL Mayweather Hatton,in which case,as long as Mayweather does not look bad,he goes back to number 1.

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Manny's been there done that i don't see how beating a fading Barrera again would rank him number 1.

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Yeah,you're right,I take KK's stance on the situation.

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Floyds been tearing through compedition since like 96. Never lost a fight. Pac lost to an aging Morales just 2 years ago.

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Tearing through opposition? Oh you mean Sharmba,Gatti? ??? Who has he faced at 147 or 140 that is more accomplished/better than even this aged version of MAB?? DOn't get me wrong,Mayweather is certainly P4P number 1 right now.

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To be honest Gamo there wern't really anyone at Lightwelterweight except for Hatton because Tszyu retired and that fight is happening now anyway as for Welterweight there wasn't really anyone either Cotto was still too green Williams was still too green and Margarito was calling him out but Margarito hadn't done a damn thing Mayweather hasn't ducked anyone and has beat good fighters and also goodish opposition to be honest bro can you name many fighters that have achieved and beat as many quality opposition as Mayweather ??

Genaro Hernandez
Diego Corrales
Carlos Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo
Victoriano Sosa
Oscar De La Hoya
Carlos Baldomir
Zab Judah
Arturo Gatti
Sharmba Mitchell
Phillip N'dou

Ok so few of them aren't greatest fighters in the world but these aren't a bad set of names to have on your record if you ask me.

Only other fights that could of happened are.

Paul Spadafora
Joel Casamayor
Antonio Margarito

And even these fights wouldn't of been easy to make except the Margarito fight but that wouldn't of done anything for Mayweather.

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LOL,i was not saying anything about Mayweather's opponents in general. I was talking about the ones at 140 and 147 in particualr,especially in relation to MAB. I know Manny has beaten MAB before but MAB will be 126% for their rematch.

Like I said,Mayweather is still P4P number 1 but I was just making an observation.

Wasn't Barerra just beat by JMM??


I would give Mayweather the same amount of credit if he called Sugar Ray Leonard out of retirement and beat him as I would for Pac beating an old, faded MAB................. let alone Morales

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While conceding that Mayweather was to him “the best pound-for-pound as a boxer” Sulaiman stressed that the best pound-for-pound in “excitement, passion, tension and aggressiveness” is Pacquiao.
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ive said this a few months back... if we are talking about p4p best in aggresiveness and eagerness to kill the opponent then its PAC

but if its p4p best in technical skills or being a boxer as a whole then hands down its mayweather.

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ive said this a few months back... if we are talking about p4p best in aggresiveness and eagerness to kill the opponent then its PAC

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A guy like Edwin Valero is more aggressive and eager than Pac, he never stops throwing punches. Its a dumb criteria because we all know Valero isn't half the fighter Pac is.

Its just the people who don't understand boxing (think its all about putting on a good show or KOing your opponent) and the many Floyd haters coming together for a common goal. The haters want someone else as #1 p4p because they hate Floyd and the people who don't care about boxing want Pac as #1 because he's the big exciting KO puncher.

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Wasn't Barerra just beat by JMM??


I would give Mayweather the same amount of credit if he called Sugar Ray Leonard out of retirement and beat him as I would for Pac beating an old, faded MAB................. let alone Morales

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I think this is unfair. MAB may be old, but he is not shot and he is still a very good fighter. He did lose to Marquez, but it was a very competitive fight. Marquez is the same guy who many people think beat Pacquiao in the fight a few years ago that was called a draw.

Pacquiao should beat MAB, but it's still impressive if he does it. In fact, I give MAB a better shot at upsetting Pac than I give Hatton of beating Floyd.

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Here are some excerpt of the story:

"The Ring’s esteemed editor-in-chief and a good friend Nigel Collins, went one step further and told us last Thursday that another dominant display by Pacquiao against legendary Mexican Marco Antonio Barrera in their rematch at the Mandalay Bay Resort Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada on October 6 “could conceivably push Manny into the No.1 position in the Ring Magazine’s pound-for-pound ratings.”

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The WBC president in a conversation with James Blears of the widely-read boxingscen.com said “many of the new heroes are stepping down and leaving the sport. They’re getting old. So boxing has to protect the performance of the heroes until the time of new heroes come. That is our obligation.”

While conceding that Mayweather was to him “the best pound-for-pound as a boxer” Sulaiman stressed that the best pound-for-pound in “excitement, passion, tension and aggressiveness” is Pacquiao.
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In his Ringside editorial for the March 2007 issue of Ring Magazine, Collins wrote “although they are unquestionably two of the sport’s finest practitioners (referring to Mayweather and Pacquiao) when it comes to providing entertainment, ‘Pac-Man” is so far ahead of ‘Pretty Boy’ they’re not even in the same league.”
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here's the link
http://philboxing.com/news/story-12583.html

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I agree with this article here especially if you consider Pacs, SRR skill like attributes.

This is crap p4p determines who beats who if they were fighting at the same weight how they are fighting now in comparison to their current division. Mayweather way ahead of anyone, and the voting for the ring magazine is still heading that direction. Pacquaio hasn't looked especially good in his last two non-blockbuster fights. I think Pacquaio is heading more for the decline than Mayweather the way he fights. I can see Cotto eventually taken Mayweather off the top or Paul Williams or Kessler, but not Pacquaio at least not deservingly.

I'm a pac fan and everyone knows that, but this is really getting retarded. pac threads after pac threads.

floyd is hands down p4p #1 and only a lost will take him out of that spot, not pac beating mab again.

pac is the best at how he fights and floyd is the best at how he fights lets leave it at that please.

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Let's wait what Pacstraight and Penalosafan say about this.

As pacman fans, there will be great rejoicing in our camp if this happens. ;D :club:

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Currently, I do agree that PBF deserves the top spot. I have NO problem with that. But Manny is younger and will achieve more that would put him as one of the greats.

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Let's wait what Pacstraight and Penalosafan say about this.

As pacman fans, there will be great rejoicing in our camp if this happens. ;D :club:

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Currently, I do agree that PBF deserves the top spot. I have NO problem with that. But Manny is younger and will achieve more that would put him as one of the greats.

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Mayweather picks on fighters he thinks he can beat while pac fights anyone who gives him the biggest paycheck. Until Mayweather takes on the best fighters out there, I won't put him at the top. And his fans making the same ol' lame excuses for him won't help him either. Actually, they have a completely opposite stlyles. Pac comes forward just a little too much, while Mayweather goes backward just a bit too much. But a choice between a charger and a runner? Com'on, this is boxing, not a sissy running competition. ...just defending my boy. Now if you Mayweather boys want us pacfools to be kind to your boy, then be kind to our boy. Peace. ;D ;) ;)

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I agree with this article here especially if you consider Pacs, SRR skill like attributes. :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X

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Mick, El Gamo won't take that sitting down. Take 'em back cuz the last time I said something foolish like that, he beat the heck out of me. ;D ;)

All right, I'll be a little kinder this time. You know folks, Mayweather can be as good as SRL if he can come just a little bit more forward, asserting his dominance just a little bit more. That's all it takes.

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All right, I'll be a little kinder this time. You know folks, Mayweather can be as good as SRL if he can come just a little bit more forward, asserting his dominance just a little bit more. That's all it takes.

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Bro he has dominated near enough most of his opponent's Whitaker never come forward but he is p4p great you don't need to come forward why should Mayweather change his style when he is so good at what he does ?? i find Mayweather exciting to watch i love watching guys who are extremely talented and who are leagues ahead of the competition like Pernell Whitaker, Roy Jones Jr, ect.

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Let's wait what Pacstraight and Penalosafan say about this.

As pacman fans, there will be great rejoicing in our camp if this happens. ;D :club:

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Currently, I do agree that PBF deserves the top spot. I have NO problem with that. But Manny is younger and will achieve more that would put him as one of the greats.

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Mayweather picks on fighters he thinks he can beat while pac fights anyone who gives him the biggest paycheck. Until Mayweather takes on the best fighters out there, I won't put him at the top. And his fans making the same ol' lame excuses for him won't help him either. Actually, they have a completely opposite stlyles. Pac comes forward just a little too much, while Mayweather goes backward just a bit too much. But a choice between a charger and a runner? Com'on, this is boxing, not a sissy running competition. ...just defending my boy. Now if you Mayweather boys want us pacfools to be kind to your boy, then be kind to our boy. Peace. ;D ;) ;)

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To both of your comments up to this point. How is fighting Barrera again fighting the best fighter out there or MOrrales a third time? Or Solis? Or Larios? I know of a lot more people who wanted Mayweather to clearly win the welterweight division which he did, A lot of people wanted him to face Oscar Dela Hoya which he did. A lot of people want him to fight Hatton which he is doing. I have no doubt he will face the winner of Cotto-Mosley or the winner of that fight facing Paul Williams and then fighting that person. And Mayweather backs up too much? Leonard, Roy Jones Jr., Muhammad Ali, Pernell Whitaker, many times Ray Robinson all fought off their back foot especially in the case of the smaller guys fighting this far above their natural weight. Regarding Pacquaio its not that he comes forward too much, its that he doesn't always keep a solid defence. In his fight with Morrales the third time he had pretty good defense, but when he gets to throwing those combinations he is wide open. Luckily neither Barrera nor Morrales are elite level pure counter punchers with great speed or Pacquaio wouldn't be in our top 10 p4p right now. Pacquaio has a lot of skills that he deservingly gets #2, but he is still a long shot away from Mayweather.

Also Pacquaio may be 2-3 years younger, but his style of boxing and his lifestyle give him(considering history) only 2 or 3 more years of greatness. Mayweather has to adapt far less to maintain his dominance for the next 5-10 years.

Are you crazy Mayweather did not clearly win the welterweight division he beat Baldomor and Zab so that makes him best at welter are you kidding me he hasn't even faced Cotto, Williams, Cintron, and Mosley all he has done at welter is beat a juryman and a guy who has not won in i dont know how long

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Are you crazy Mayweather did not clearly win the welterweight division he beat Baldomor and Zab so that makes him best at welter are you kidding me he hasn't even faced Cotto, Williams, Cintron, and Mosley all he has done at welter is beat a juryman and a guy who has not won in i dont know how long

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Well said.

Taeth kinda pissed me off. Mr140's comment actually hit me and made me changed my mind about floyd being on top spot.

To all the Floyd sycophants I have this to say: I don’t hate Floyd but I think someone with his talent and ability, which is enormous, should fight the best available competition. He got by Judah and Baldomir- 2 very good welters I might add his last one with Goldielocks too. That’s great - but there are more guys to beat in that division before he can be anointed KING. I believe he avoided the PEAK Margarito consistently and if the TJ Tornado was such an easy fight why didn’t he roll through him for an easy $8M score? He didn’t do that because he knew Margarito was much too risky a proposition that may have cost him his shot at the Golden Boy. Floyd was good 130 pounder. He fought the best there. He is okay in that division. At 135, I thought he got a gift against Jose Luis Castillo, and I layed the 4-1 on Floyd in that fight, and he won a close nod in the rematch. He fought 3 fights at 140 and beat Corley, Bruseles and Gatti, respectively. All good fighters, but certainly not the best in that division. He bypassed Kostya Tszyu and Ricky Hatton at 140 so he declined to prove he was the best there. Somethin like Mr140 said, he’s beaten some very good welters but has not beaten the very best in that division. My issue with him is that claims to be the very best fighter in the world while he actively avoids certain fights, and clearly hasn’t beaten the best in the welterweight division. If he does eventually beat them, I’ll give him that credit and tip my hat to him. I just think his actions contradict his statements. He finally got the fight he wanted for personal and monetary reasons (which is fine) by getting the fight with Hatton. If he wins, he’ll rationalize that he’s done it all and will most likely retire. I understand he’s done enough to be a Hall of Famer but, except for Hatton, I don’t think he’s willing to fight guys that can REALLY test him at this point in time. I don’t respect that in a great fighter, simple as that. He should be willing to test himself against all comers based on his statements - but he doesn’t. But all time great fighters want to fight the very best and not bullshit the unsuspecting (and I’m being kind) public. And as I said, he did well @ 130-135 but he never proved that he was the best at 140 and has yet to prove he reigns supreme at Welterweight. You can’t just say you are the greatest and not fight the best guys. It’s that simple. I don’t think Manny Pacquiao will be ducking anybody which is why he has passed Floyd as the best in the world.

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Are you crazy Mayweather did not clearly win the welterweight division he beat Baldomor and Zab so that makes him best at welter are you kidding me he hasn't even faced Cotto, Williams, Cintron, and Mosley all he has done at welter is beat a juryman and a guy who has not won in i dont know how long

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Are you crazy??

Or have you just not been watching boxing for very long??


Allow me to educate you since you obviously weren't following boxing back then, or you wouldn't have made that post.


When Floyd Mayweather originally signed to fight Zab Judah, Judah was LINEAR WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPION of the world.

The Judah fight was signed before Zab's supposed tune-up with Baldomir.

Zab loses "tune-up," but the Mayweather vs. Judah fight goes on anyways because it was already signed, and the venue (Thomas and Mack) was already set.

Mayweather goes on to beat Judah, but Baldomir was Linear welterweight champion because he beat Judah (unless you think Ring Magazine doesn't know what they were talking about)

Mayweather goes on to fight/dominate Baldomir (Cotto, Cintron, and Williams were barely scratching the surface of the welterweight division at the time, and weren't ANYBODY in that division. You would know this if you were following boxing back then ;)) and that makes Floyd Mayweather LINEAR WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPION of the world.






Read what I just posted and absorb it. That way when you post in the future, you might actually sound like you know what your're talking about.

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Are you crazy Mayweather did not clearly win the welterweight division he beat Baldomor and Zab so that makes him best at welter are you kidding me he hasn't even faced Cotto, Williams, Cintron, and Mosley all he has done at welter is beat a juryman and a guy who has not won in i dont know how long

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Well said.

Taeth kinda pissed me off. Mr140's comment actually hit me and made me changed my mind about floyd being on top spot.

To all the Floyd sycophants I have this to say: I don’t hate Floyd but I think someone with his talent and ability, which is enormous, should fight the best available competition. He got by Judah and Baldomir- 2 very good welters I might add his last one with Goldielocks too. That’s great - but there are more guys to beat in that division before he can be anointed KING. I believe he avoided the PEAK Margarito consistently and if the TJ Tornado was such an easy fight why didn’t he roll through him for an easy $8M score? He didn’t do that because he knew Margarito was much too risky a proposition that may have cost him his shot at the Golden Boy. Floyd was good 130 pounder. He fought the best there. He is okay in that division. At 135, I thought he got a gift against Jose Luis Castillo, and I layed the 4-1 on Floyd in that fight, and he won a close nod in the rematch. He fought 3 fights at 140 and beat Corley, Bruseles and Gatti, respectively. All good fighters, but certainly not the best in that division. He bypassed Kostya Tszyu and Ricky Hatton at 140 so he declined to prove he was the best there. Somethin like Mr140 said, he’s beaten some very good welters but has not beaten the very best in that division. My issue with him is that claims to be the very best fighter in the world while he actively avoids certain fights, and clearly hasn’t beaten the best in the welterweight division. If he does eventually beat them, I’ll give him that credit and tip my hat to him. I just think his actions contradict his statements. He finally got the fight he wanted for personal and monetary reasons (which is fine) by getting the fight with Hatton. If he wins, he’ll rationalize that he’s done it all and will most likely retire. I understand he’s done enough to be a Hall of Famer but, except for Hatton, I don’t think he’s willing to fight guys that can REALLY test him at this point in time. I don’t respect that in a great fighter, simple as that. He should be willing to test himself against all comers based on his statements - but he doesn’t. But all time great fighters want to fight the very best and not bullshit the unsuspecting (and I’m being kind) public. And as I said, he did well @ 130-135 but he never proved that he was the best at 140 and has yet to prove he reigns supreme at Welterweight. You can’t just say you are the greatest and not fight the best guys. It’s that simple. I don’t think Manny Pacquiao will be ducking anybody which is why he has passed Floyd as the best in the world.

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Im going to copy and paste what i said and ask you who else was there at Lightwelterweight or Welterweight.


To be honest Gamo there wern't really anyone at Lightwelterweight except for Hatton because Tszyu retired and that fight is happening now anyway as for Welterweight there wasn't really anyone either Cotto was still too green Williams was still too green and Margarito was calling him out but Margarito hadn't done a damn thing Mayweather hasn't ducked anyone and has beat good fighters and also goodish opposition to be honest bro can you name many fighters that have achieved and beat as many quality opposition as Mayweather ??

Genaro Hernandez
Diego Corrales
Carlos Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo
Victoriano Sosa
Oscar De La Hoya
Carlos Baldomir
Zab Judah
Arturo Gatti
Sharmba Mitchell
Phillip N'dou

Ok so few of them aren't greatest fighters in the world but these aren't a bad set of names to have on your record if you ask me.

Only other fights that could of happened are.

Paul Spadafora
Joel Casamayor
Antonio Margarito

And even these fights wouldn't of been easy to make except the Margarito fight but that wouldn't of done anything for Mayweather.

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Are you crazy Mayweather did not clearly win the welterweight division he beat Baldomor and Zab so that makes him best at welter are you kidding me he hasn't even faced Cotto, Williams, Cintron, and Mosley all he has done at welter is beat a juryman and a guy who has not won in i dont know how long

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Well said.

Taeth kinda pissed me off. Mr140's comment actually hit me and made me changed my mind about floyd being on top spot.

To all the Floyd sycophants I have this to say: I don’t hate Floyd but I think someone with his talent and ability, which is enormous, should fight the best available competition. He got by Judah and Baldomir- 2 very good welters I might add his last one with Goldielocks too. That’s great - but there are more guys to beat in that division before he can be anointed KING. I believe he avoided the PEAK Margarito consistently and if the TJ Tornado was such an easy fight why didn’t he roll through him for an easy $8M score? He didn’t do that because he knew Margarito was much too risky a proposition that may have cost him his shot at the Golden Boy. Floyd was good 130 pounder. He fought the best there. He is okay in that division. At 135, I thought he got a gift against Jose Luis Castillo, and I layed the 4-1 on Floyd in that fight, and he won a close nod in the rematch. He fought 3 fights at 140 and beat Corley, Bruseles and Gatti, respectively. All good fighters, but certainly not the best in that division. He bypassed Kostya Tszyu and Ricky Hatton at 140 so he declined to prove he was the best there. Somethin like Mr140 said, he’s beaten some very good welters but has not beaten the very best in that division. My issue with him is that claims to be the very best fighter in the world while he actively avoids certain fights, and clearly hasn’t beaten the best in the welterweight division. If he does eventually beat them, I’ll give him that credit and tip my hat to him. I just think his actions contradict his statements. He finally got the fight he wanted for personal and monetary reasons (which is fine) by getting the fight with Hatton. If he wins, he’ll rationalize that he’s done it all and will most likely retire. I understand he’s done enough to be a Hall of Famer but, except for Hatton, I don’t think he’s willing to fight guys that can REALLY test him at this point in time. I don’t respect that in a great fighter, simple as that. He should be willing to test himself against all comers based on his statements - but he doesn’t. But all time great fighters want to fight the very best and not bullshit the unsuspecting (and I’m being kind) public. And as I said, he did well @ 130-135 but he never proved that he was the best at 140 and has yet to prove he reigns supreme at Welterweight. You can’t just say you are the greatest and not fight the best guys. It’s that simple. I don’t think Manny Pacquiao will be ducking anybody which is why he has passed Floyd as the best in the world.

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How can you say he ducked Margarito? Oscar is a million times better than Margarito and Mayweather fought and beat him convincingly at a higher weight than welterweight. Margarito IMO looked horrible against Paul Williams who would give anyone a good fight, but he made Margarito look silly for all the bitching he's done trying to get a fight with Mayweather. There was no Reason for Mayweather to fight him as I've already stated that would have done nothing for Mayweather's reputation because had he beaten Margarito 120-108 and it would have been close to that people would have just said Margarito was overrated(which he was) like Jeff Lacy(which he was). About Mayweather ducking Tszyu I disagree... Hatton got to him first, and then Mayweather was looking for a fight with Zab Judah which he made, and then he wanted a fight with Oscar. Now that he is done doing what he set out to do he is cleaning up what he left behind in Hatton then likely Mosley or Cotto. Pacquaio shouldn't have fought Solis or Larios, and neither of them count in the same opposition as Baldomir, Zab Judah, but better than Sharmba Mitchell. Also his fight with MOrrales in the third one was predecided I was saying Morrales was going to get ko'ed early the minute they mentioned that fight. As for Pacquaio fighting Barrera its a good fight to be made, but why not fight JMM who by the records beat Barrera, and tied Pacquaio in their last fight, or why not give some new blood a chance. If he fights the winner of Soto-Guzman then he is fighting the next challenger, but right now he is fighting man he has beaten and a man who can't keep up with him. Regardless of all this Mayweather is the better boxer, and p4p he would beat Pacquaio no question. This is why he is p4p #1 by a fair margin(probably a league).

Listen frozen i ment now he is not the number one welter i think it is a toss up my friend

well, he need to win on his upcoming fight if he still want to be in the running...he said he's the King of the Ring...then he must prove it ;)

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Are you crazy Mayweather did not clearly win the welterweight division he beat Baldomor and Zab so that makes him best at welter are you kidding me he hasn't even faced Cotto, Williams, Cintron, and Mosley all he has done at welter is beat a juryman and a guy who has not won in i dont know how long

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Well said.

Taeth kinda pissed me off. Mr140's comment actually hit me and made me changed my mind about floyd being on top spot.

To all the Floyd sycophants I have this to say: I don’t hate Floyd but I think someone with his talent and ability, which is enormous, should fight the best available competition. He got by Judah and Baldomir- 2 very good welters I might add his last one with Goldielocks too. That’s great - but there are more guys to beat in that division before he can be anointed KING. I believe he avoided the PEAK Margarito consistently and if the TJ Tornado was such an easy fight why didn’t he roll through him for an easy $8M score? He didn’t do that because he knew Margarito was much too risky a proposition that may have cost him his shot at the Golden Boy. Floyd was good 130 pounder. He fought the best there. He is okay in that division. At 135, I thought he got a gift against Jose Luis Castillo, and I layed the 4-1 on Floyd in that fight, and he won a close nod in the rematch. He fought 3 fights at 140 and beat Corley, Bruseles and Gatti, respectively. All good fighters, but certainly not the best in that division. He bypassed Kostya Tszyu and Ricky Hatton at 140 so he declined to prove he was the best there. Somethin like Mr140 said, he’s beaten some very good welters but has not beaten the very best in that division. My issue with him is that claims to be the very best fighter in the world while he actively avoids certain fights, and clearly hasn’t beaten the best in the welterweight division. If he does eventually beat them, I’ll give him that credit and tip my hat to him. I just think his actions contradict his statements. He finally got the fight he wanted for personal and monetary reasons (which is fine) by getting the fight with Hatton. If he wins, he’ll rationalize that he’s done it all and will most likely retire. I understand he’s done enough to be a Hall of Famer but, except for Hatton, I don’t think he’s willing to fight guys that can REALLY test him at this point in time. I don’t respect that in a great fighter, simple as that. He should be willing to test himself against all comers based on his statements - but he doesn’t. But all time great fighters want to fight the very best and not bullshit the unsuspecting (and I’m being kind) public. And as I said, he did well @ 130-135 but he never proved that he was the best at 140 and has yet to prove he reigns supreme at Welterweight. You can’t just say you are the greatest and not fight the best guys. It’s that simple. I don’t think Manny Pacquiao will be ducking anybody which is why he has passed Floyd as the best in the world.

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How can you say he ducked Margarito? Oscar is a million times better than Margarito and Mayweather fought and beat him convincingly at a higher weight than welterweight. Margarito IMO looked horrible against Paul Williams who would give anyone a good fight, but he made Margarito look silly for all the bitching he's done trying to get a fight with Mayweather. There was no Reason for Mayweather to fight him as I've already stated that would have done nothing for Mayweather's reputation because had he beaten Margarito 120-108 and it would have been close to that people would have just said Margarito was overrated(which he was) like Jeff Lacy(which he was). About Mayweather ducking Tszyu I disagree... Hatton got to him first, and then Mayweather was looking for a fight with Zab Judah which he made, and then he wanted a fight with Oscar. Now that he is done doing what he set out to do he is cleaning up what he left behind in Hatton then likely Mosley or Cotto. Pacquaio shouldn't have fought Solis or Larios, and neither of them count in the same opposition as Baldomir, Zab Judah, but better than Sharmba Mitchell. Also his fight with MOrrales in the third one was predecided I was saying Morrales was going to get ko'ed early the minute they mentioned that fight. As for Pacquaio fighting Barrera its a good fight to be made, but why not fight JMM who by the records beat Barrera, and tied Pacquaio in their last fight, or why not give some new blood a chance. If he fights the winner of Soto-Guzman then he is fighting the next challenger, but right now he is fighting man he has beaten and a man who can't keep up with him. Regardless of all this Mayweather is the better boxer, and p4p he would beat Pacquaio no question. This is why he is p4p #1 by a fair margin(probably a league).

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Larios and Solis were just good tune-up fights. PAC WILL CLEAN HIS DIVISION before summer of 09 no sweat ;) tsk!, so don't worry about that. Floyd attracts derision not only for his personality or choice of opponents but overall because of his style. If we accept that Floyd through no fault of his own is predominately a defensive fighter which at the end of the day is looked upon by most fightfans as a NEGATIVE style of which he is undoubtly the best in world. Offensive fighters carry more excitement e.g Hatton, Pacman ODLH and are more POSITIVE in their gameplan and are ultimately more popular to the average fightfan. There lies the problem the best P4P fighter at the moment has the best defense and the arguments rage because he has not faced the best offensive fighters of the day. If and when he does this successfully, he will be accepted as a true great.

Floyd looks great against washed ups. looks bad against a worn version of an ATG like Oscar... Let's see how he looks against TOP YOUNG opponents like Cintron or Williams. I think there is a reason why he's so reluctant to fight hungry Margarito (his lost with tall long limb Williams will motivate him more), Cotto, Clottey (let's just see how he does with more agreesive Hatton). Because He won't look so great and might lose that precious fake "0" on his record.

To me, he is just an overrated fighter who hasnt fought a champion in their prime. He is a cherry picking phony..Gatti..Past it. Mitchell...Past it.. Baldomir..Never was any good in the first place...Oscar...Past it or even Judah who got beat by Cotto...Your man is a fake :plthumbsdown:. Accept it and get over it.

Please, by all means, let the (most recently accused anyway) "hater" (btw, totally not true) chime in here.

floyd has gotten to the top by fighting limited opposition (imo and many others).

If he wants to clear up the mess he has left, let him do something more along the lines of what RJJ has accomplished.

RJJ
Started at MW and went all the way to HW for one fight only but he fought a champion at that time and he won. He was outweighed by @ 30lbs.

All floyd needs to do to earn the admiration of his many nuthuggers is to go up to SMW (that's splitting the 30lb weight difference in half which imo is more than fair), fight a champion and win. Hell, even I would be impressed with him then. Too much for the exhalted one you say? Ok then, how about MW. I'm sure he can beat any champion there at least, he's the almighty god of boxing right?