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Benn: Calzaghe far too good for Brit/Euro
Just found this on another board (quotes from Nigel Benn)...
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I thought I could maybe win the Southern Area title, British at best. So to be two-time world champion was way beyond my wildest expectations.
To be a world champion you have to be exceptionally good. My old mate Tony Velinor I thought was better than me in the amateurs, and he didn't get near any world ranks.
To be a world champion for 10 years, you are talking legend. Legend.
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It's no fault of Joe's that better people haven't been put in front of him. Whatever has been put in front of him, he's smashed up and often looked a million dollars doing it.
What he wants to do is say it's better late than never and let's cross that pond and seek these fights with some of the top Americans. Blokes like Taylor and Hopkins. Hopkins is old now and not throwing much so Taylor might be the one.
To be kept in Britain and Europe and fighting British and European fighters, that isn't good enough for Joe's ability. That doesn't impress anyone, not least the Yanks.
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He really should have been in the ring eight to 12 weeks after his smashing of Jeff Lacy, bad hand or not. He could have pushed for these fights and had them long ago. He could have his feet up by now.
When I fought, I wanted to be smashing people every week and pushing for these great fights. I wanted proper challengers so kept changing managers and promoters to get them.
In an 18-month period I fought some of the greatest wars against the likes of DeWitt, Barkley, Watson, Eubank - all the tough guys. That's why the public on both sides of the Atlantic sat up and took notice that there was more than one Big Ben!
Barkley had sparked Tommy Hearns quicker than Marvin Hagler and ran Michael Nunn to the wire who was the best pound-for-pound fighter at the time.
They couldn't make it at Old Trafford and I wasn't going to hang around, I wanted a tear-up and I wanted respect and I wanted to show the Yanks that us Brits aren't no push-overs.
I went right into Barkley's back garden, got off first and tried smashing him out of the ring.
I didn't take an easy defence, I took on Chris Eubank! I wanted to give the public a proper fight.
Gerald McClellan was the most feared man in boxing when I fought him. He couldn't get anyone else in the ring. I could have fought a runner like Nunn but wanted a proper fight and wasn't going to duck him.
An incarcerated Mike Tyson described Gerald as the best fighter in the world, Don King said he was going to punch me into a hospital bed. I didn't care, he was going to have to kill me to beat me. I wanted to do Britain proud.
Joe should be a little more urgent, because if the chances pass it'll be a crying shame really for a guy who'd have probably given me and Chris and Steve Collins a good going over.
'Benn is in Hertfordshire right now training guys for an army boxing event for charity with Dave 'Boy' Green'
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Interesting. But the Americans respect Kessler after seeing his last couple of fights, don't they?
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Re: Benn: Calzaghe far too good for Brit/Euro
Nigel Benn brings a tear to my eye when he talks like that. He has my respect.
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Re: Benn: Calzaghe far too good for Brit/Euro
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Originally Posted by Nium
Just found this on another board (quotes from Nigel Benn)...
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I thought I could maybe win the Southern Area title, British at best. So to be two-time world champion was way beyond my wildest expectations.
To be a world champion you have to be exceptionally good. My old mate Tony Velinor I thought was better than me in the amateurs, and he didn't get near any world ranks.
To be a world champion for 10 years, you are talking legend. Legend.
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It's no fault of Joe's that better people haven't been put in front of him. Whatever has been put in front of him, he's smashed up and often looked a million dollars doing it.
What he wants to do is say it's better late than never and let's cross that pond and seek these fights with some of the top Americans. Blokes like Taylor and Hopkins. Hopkins is old now and not throwing much so Taylor might be the one.
To be kept in Britain and Europe and fighting British and European fighters, that isn't good enough for Joe's ability. That doesn't impress anyone, not least the Yanks.
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He really should have been in the ring eight to 12 weeks after his smashing of Jeff Lacy, bad hand or not. He could have pushed for these fights and had them long ago. He could have his feet up by now.
When I fought, I wanted to be smashing people every week and pushing for these great fights. I wanted proper challengers so kept changing managers and promoters to get them.
In an 18-month period I fought some of the greatest wars against the likes of DeWitt, Barkley, Watson, Eubank - all the tough guys. That's why the public on both sides of the Atlantic sat up and took notice that there was more than one Big Ben!
Barkley had sparked Tommy Hearns quicker than Marvin Hagler and ran Michael Nunn to the wire who was the best pound-for-pound fighter at the time.
They couldn't make it at Old Trafford and I wasn't going to hang around, I wanted a tear-up and I wanted respect and I wanted to show the Yanks that us Brits aren't no push-overs.
I went right into Barkley's back garden, got off first and tried smashing him out of the ring.
I didn't take an easy defence, I took on Chris Eubank! I wanted to give the public a proper fight.
Gerald McClellan was the most feared man in boxing when I fought him. He couldn't get anyone else in the ring. I could have fought a runner like Nunn but wanted a proper fight and wasn't going to duck him.
An incarcerated Mike Tyson described Gerald as the best fighter in the world, Don King said he was going to punch me into a hospital bed. I didn't care, he was going to have to kill me to beat me. I wanted to do Britain proud.
Joe should be a little more urgent, because if the chances pass it'll be a crying shame really for a guy who'd have probably given me and Chris and Steve Collins a good going over.
'Benn is in Hertfordshire right now training guys for an army boxing event for charity with Dave 'Boy' Green'
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Interesting. But the Americans respect Kessler after seeing his last couple of fights, don't they?
I think everyone respects Kessler more than Joe because he fights good fighters in their backyard. Mundine, and now Joe at Cardiff. I have no doubt Mikkel could do what Joe and Sven Ottke did and defend his title 20 odd times against b class fighters at home but he is willing to travel to fight the best. I would hope if Joe win in a close fight on points in Cardiff he would give Mikkel a rematch in Copenhagen. Methinks he wouldnt in a million years. Yet i think Mikkel would give Joe a rematch.
That is why Kessler has more respect than Calzaghe.
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Re: Benn: Calzaghe far too good for Brit/Euro
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by Nium
Just found this on another board (quotes from Nigel Benn)...
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I thought I could maybe win the Southern Area title, British at best. So to be two-time world champion was way beyond my wildest expectations.
To be a world champion you have to be exceptionally good. My old mate Tony Velinor I thought was better than me in the amateurs, and he didn't get near any world ranks.
To be a world champion for 10 years, you are talking legend. Legend.
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It's no fault of Joe's that better people haven't been put in front of him. Whatever has been put in front of him, he's smashed up and often looked a million dollars doing it.
What he wants to do is say it's better late than never and let's cross that pond and seek these fights with some of the top Americans. Blokes like Taylor and Hopkins. Hopkins is old now and not throwing much so Taylor might be the one.
To be kept in Britain and Europe and fighting British and European fighters, that isn't good enough for Joe's ability. That doesn't impress anyone, not least the Yanks.
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He really should have been in the ring eight to 12 weeks after his smashing of Jeff Lacy, bad hand or not. He could have pushed for these fights and had them long ago. He could have his feet up by now.
When I fought, I wanted to be smashing people every week and pushing for these great fights. I wanted proper challengers so kept changing managers and promoters to get them.
In an 18-month period I fought some of the greatest wars against the likes of DeWitt, Barkley, Watson, Eubank - all the tough guys. That's why the public on both sides of the Atlantic sat up and took notice that there was more than one Big Ben!
Barkley had sparked Tommy Hearns quicker than Marvin Hagler and ran Michael Nunn to the wire who was the best pound-for-pound fighter at the time.
They couldn't make it at Old Trafford and I wasn't going to hang around, I wanted a tear-up and I wanted respect and I wanted to show the Yanks that us Brits aren't no push-overs.
I went right into Barkley's back garden, got off first and tried smashing him out of the ring.
I didn't take an easy defence, I took on Chris Eubank! I wanted to give the public a proper fight.
Gerald McClellan was the most feared man in boxing when I fought him. He couldn't get anyone else in the ring. I could have fought a runner like Nunn but wanted a proper fight and wasn't going to duck him.
An incarcerated Mike Tyson described Gerald as the best fighter in the world, Don King said he was going to punch me into a hospital bed. I didn't care, he was going to have to kill me to beat me. I wanted to do Britain proud.
Joe should be a little more urgent, because if the chances pass it'll be a crying shame really for a guy who'd have probably given me and Chris and Steve Collins a good going over.
'Benn is in Hertfordshire right now training guys for an army boxing event for charity with Dave 'Boy' Green'
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Interesting. But the Americans respect Kessler after seeing his last couple of fights, don't they?
I think everyone respects Kessler more than Joe because he fights good fighters in their backyard. Mundine, and now Joe at Cardiff. I have no doubt Mikkel could do what Joe and Sven Ottke did and defend his title 20 odd times against b class fighters at home but he is willing to travel to fight the best. I would hope if Joe win in a close fight on points in Cardiff he would give Mikkel a rematch in Copenhagen. Methinks he wouldnt in a million years. Yet i think Mikkel would give Joe a rematch.
That is why Kessler has more respect than Calzaghe.
the only reason the fights happening in cardiff now is because team kessler didn't have the money to stage it in denmark, so why would a remtach go there for? speak sense mate.
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Re: Benn: Calzaghe far too good for Brit/Euro
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by Nium
Just found this on another board (quotes from Nigel Benn)...
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I thought I could maybe win the Southern Area title, British at best. So to be two-time world champion was way beyond my wildest expectations.
To be a world champion you have to be exceptionally good. My old mate Tony Velinor I thought was better than me in the amateurs, and he didn't get near any world ranks.
To be a world champion for 10 years, you are talking legend. Legend.
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It's no fault of Joe's that better people haven't been put in front of him. Whatever has been put in front of him, he's smashed up and often looked a million dollars doing it.
What he wants to do is say it's better late than never and let's cross that pond and seek these fights with some of the top Americans. Blokes like Taylor and Hopkins. Hopkins is old now and not throwing much so Taylor might be the one.
To be kept in Britain and Europe and fighting British and European fighters, that isn't good enough for Joe's ability. That doesn't impress anyone, not least the Yanks.
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He really should have been in the ring eight to 12 weeks after his smashing of Jeff Lacy, bad hand or not. He could have pushed for these fights and had them long ago. He could have his feet up by now.
When I fought, I wanted to be smashing people every week and pushing for these great fights. I wanted proper challengers so kept changing managers and promoters to get them.
In an 18-month period I fought some of the greatest wars against the likes of DeWitt, Barkley, Watson, Eubank - all the tough guys. That's why the public on both sides of the Atlantic sat up and took notice that there was more than one Big Ben!
Barkley had sparked Tommy Hearns quicker than Marvin Hagler and ran Michael Nunn to the wire who was the best pound-for-pound fighter at the time.
They couldn't make it at Old Trafford and I wasn't going to hang around, I wanted a tear-up and I wanted respect and I wanted to show the Yanks that us Brits aren't no push-overs.
I went right into Barkley's back garden, got off first and tried smashing him out of the ring.
I didn't take an easy defence, I took on Chris Eubank! I wanted to give the public a proper fight.
Gerald McClellan was the most feared man in boxing when I fought him. He couldn't get anyone else in the ring. I could have fought a runner like Nunn but wanted a proper fight and wasn't going to duck him.
An incarcerated Mike Tyson described Gerald as the best fighter in the world, Don King said he was going to punch me into a hospital bed. I didn't care, he was going to have to kill me to beat me. I wanted to do Britain proud.
Joe should be a little more urgent, because if the chances pass it'll be a crying shame really for a guy who'd have probably given me and Chris and Steve Collins a good going over.
'Benn is in Hertfordshire right now training guys for an army boxing event for charity with Dave 'Boy' Green'
--
Interesting. But the Americans respect Kessler after seeing his last couple of fights, don't they?
I think everyone respects Kessler more than Joe because he fights good fighters in their backyard. Mundine, and now Joe at Cardiff. I have no doubt Mikkel could do what Joe and Sven Ottke did and defend his title 20 odd times against b class fighters at home but he is willing to travel to fight the best. I would hope if Joe win in a close fight on points in Cardiff he would give Mikkel a rematch in Copenhagen. Methinks he wouldnt in a million years. Yet i think Mikkel would give Joe a rematch.
That is why Kessler has more respect than Calzaghe.
the only reason the fights happening in cardiff now is because team kessler didn't have the money to stage it in denmark, so why would a remtach go there for? speak sense mate.
Don`t talk on anything,you don`t know shit about,only reason the fights happening in cardiff is on Kessler`s demand,Kessler only got about $1.mill if the fight was held in Copenhagen,so he told Palle,he will fight Calzaghe in Cardiff,because he will get pay more money
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Re: Benn: Calzaghe far too good for Brit/Euro
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Originally Posted by jangeorg
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by Nium
Just found this on another board (quotes from Nigel Benn)...
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I thought I could maybe win the Southern Area title, British at best. So to be two-time world champion was way beyond my wildest expectations.
To be a world champion you have to be exceptionally good. My old mate Tony Velinor I thought was better than me in the amateurs, and he didn't get near any world ranks.
To be a world champion for 10 years, you are talking legend. Legend.
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It's no fault of Joe's that better people haven't been put in front of him. Whatever has been put in front of him, he's smashed up and often looked a million dollars doing it.
What he wants to do is say it's better late than never and let's cross that pond and seek these fights with some of the top Americans. Blokes like Taylor and Hopkins. Hopkins is old now and not throwing much so Taylor might be the one.
To be kept in Britain and Europe and fighting British and European fighters, that isn't good enough for Joe's ability. That doesn't impress anyone, not least the Yanks.
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He really should have been in the ring eight to 12 weeks after his smashing of Jeff Lacy, bad hand or not. He could have pushed for these fights and had them long ago. He could have his feet up by now.
When I fought, I wanted to be smashing people every week and pushing for these great fights. I wanted proper challengers so kept changing managers and promoters to get them.
In an 18-month period I fought some of the greatest wars against the likes of DeWitt, Barkley, Watson, Eubank - all the tough guys. That's why the public on both sides of the Atlantic sat up and took notice that there was more than one Big Ben!
Barkley had sparked Tommy Hearns quicker than Marvin Hagler and ran Michael Nunn to the wire who was the best pound-for-pound fighter at the time.
They couldn't make it at Old Trafford and I wasn't going to hang around, I wanted a tear-up and I wanted respect and I wanted to show the Yanks that us Brits aren't no push-overs.
I went right into Barkley's back garden, got off first and tried smashing him out of the ring.
I didn't take an easy defence, I took on Chris Eubank! I wanted to give the public a proper fight.
Gerald McClellan was the most feared man in boxing when I fought him. He couldn't get anyone else in the ring. I could have fought a runner like Nunn but wanted a proper fight and wasn't going to duck him.
An incarcerated Mike Tyson described Gerald as the best fighter in the world, Don King said he was going to punch me into a hospital bed. I didn't care, he was going to have to kill me to beat me. I wanted to do Britain proud.
Joe should be a little more urgent, because if the chances pass it'll be a crying shame really for a guy who'd have probably given me and Chris and Steve Collins a good going over.
'Benn is in Hertfordshire right now training guys for an army boxing event for charity with Dave 'Boy' Green'
--
Interesting. But the Americans respect Kessler after seeing his last couple of fights, don't they?
I think everyone respects Kessler more than Joe because he fights good fighters in their backyard. Mundine, and now Joe at Cardiff. I have no doubt Mikkel could do what Joe and Sven Ottke did and defend his title 20 odd times against b class fighters at home but he is willing to travel to fight the best. I would hope if Joe win in a close fight on points in Cardiff he would give Mikkel a rematch in Copenhagen. Methinks he wouldnt in a million years. Yet i think Mikkel would give Joe a rematch.
That is why Kessler has more respect than Calzaghe.
the only reason the fights happening in cardiff now is because team kessler didn't have the money to stage it in denmark, so why would a remtach go there for? speak sense mate.
Don`t talk on anything,you don`t know S*** about,only reason the fights happening in cardiff is on Kessler`s demand,Kessler only got about $1.mill if the fight was held in Copenhagen,so he told Palle,he will fight Calzaghe in Cardiff,because he will get pay more money
So whose fault is that?? Old man Palle he offered Calzaghe $5 million Joe said see you in Copenhagen, its old man Palles fault not Warren or Calzaghe.
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Re: Benn: Calzaghe far too good for Brit/Euro
Who cares where there fighting aslong as the fight is happening who cares don't start another debate :-\
As for Benn he had alot of bottle he fought everyone and didn't duck anyone and went to there backyard Benn has my respect.
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Re: Benn: Calzaghe far too good for Brit/Euro
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Originally Posted by skel1983
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Originally Posted by jangeorg
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by Nium
Just found this on another board (quotes from Nigel Benn)...
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I thought I could maybe win the Southern Area title, British at best. So to be two-time world champion was way beyond my wildest expectations.
To be a world champion you have to be exceptionally good. My old mate Tony Velinor I thought was better than me in the amateurs, and he didn't get near any world ranks.
To be a world champion for 10 years, you are talking legend. Legend.
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It's no fault of Joe's that better people haven't been put in front of him. Whatever has been put in front of him, he's smashed up and often looked a million dollars doing it.
What he wants to do is say it's better late than never and let's cross that pond and seek these fights with some of the top Americans. Blokes like Taylor and Hopkins. Hopkins is old now and not throwing much so Taylor might be the one.
To be kept in Britain and Europe and fighting British and European fighters, that isn't good enough for Joe's ability. That doesn't impress anyone, not least the Yanks.
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He really should have been in the ring eight to 12 weeks after his smashing of Jeff Lacy, bad hand or not. He could have pushed for these fights and had them long ago. He could have his feet up by now.
When I fought, I wanted to be smashing people every week and pushing for these great fights. I wanted proper challengers so kept changing managers and promoters to get them.
In an 18-month period I fought some of the greatest wars against the likes of DeWitt, Barkley, Watson, Eubank - all the tough guys. That's why the public on both sides of the Atlantic sat up and took notice that there was more than one Big Ben!
Barkley had sparked Tommy Hearns quicker than Marvin Hagler and ran Michael Nunn to the wire who was the best pound-for-pound fighter at the time.
They couldn't make it at Old Trafford and I wasn't going to hang around, I wanted a tear-up and I wanted respect and I wanted to show the Yanks that us Brits aren't no push-overs.
I went right into Barkley's back garden, got off first and tried smashing him out of the ring.
I didn't take an easy defence, I took on Chris Eubank! I wanted to give the public a proper fight.
Gerald McClellan was the most feared man in boxing when I fought him. He couldn't get anyone else in the ring. I could have fought a runner like Nunn but wanted a proper fight and wasn't going to duck him.
An incarcerated Mike Tyson described Gerald as the best fighter in the world, Don King said he was going to punch me into a hospital bed. I didn't care, he was going to have to kill me to beat me. I wanted to do Britain proud.
Joe should be a little more urgent, because if the chances pass it'll be a crying shame really for a guy who'd have probably given me and Chris and Steve Collins a good going over.
'Benn is in Hertfordshire right now training guys for an army boxing event for charity with Dave 'Boy' Green'
--
Interesting. But the Americans respect Kessler after seeing his last couple of fights, don't they?
I think everyone respects Kessler more than Joe because he fights good fighters in their backyard. Mundine, and now Joe at Cardiff. I have no doubt Mikkel could do what Joe and Sven Ottke did and defend his title 20 odd times against b class fighters at home but he is willing to travel to fight the best. I would hope if Joe win in a close fight on points in Cardiff he would give Mikkel a rematch in Copenhagen. Methinks he wouldnt in a million years. Yet i think Mikkel would give Joe a rematch.
That is why Kessler has more respect than Calzaghe.
the only reason the fights happening in cardiff now is because team kessler didn't have the money to stage it in denmark, so why would a remtach go there for? speak sense mate.
Don`t talk on anything,you don`t know S*** about,only reason the fights happening in cardiff is on Kessler`s demand,Kessler only got about $1.mill if the fight was held in Copenhagen,so he told Palle,he will fight Calzaghe in Cardiff,because he will get pay more money
So whose fault is that?? Old man Palle he offered Calzaghe $5 million Joe said see you in Copenhagen, its old man Palles fault not Warren or Calzaghe.
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That the F*** are you talking about??,i have not talking about who`s fault i was,i said Kessler will fight Calzaghe in Cafdiff,because he will get pay more money
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Re: Benn: Calzaghe far too good for Brit/Euro
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Originally Posted by jangeorg
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by Nium
Just found this on another board (quotes from Nigel Benn)...
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I thought I could maybe win the Southern Area title, British at best. So to be two-time world champion was way beyond my wildest expectations.
To be a world champion you have to be exceptionally good. My old mate Tony Velinor I thought was better than me in the amateurs, and he didn't get near any world ranks.
To be a world champion for 10 years, you are talking legend. Legend.
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It's no fault of Joe's that better people haven't been put in front of him. Whatever has been put in front of him, he's smashed up and often looked a million dollars doing it.
What he wants to do is say it's better late than never and let's cross that pond and seek these fights with some of the top Americans. Blokes like Taylor and Hopkins. Hopkins is old now and not throwing much so Taylor might be the one.
To be kept in Britain and Europe and fighting British and European fighters, that isn't good enough for Joe's ability. That doesn't impress anyone, not least the Yanks.
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He really should have been in the ring eight to 12 weeks after his smashing of Jeff Lacy, bad hand or not. He could have pushed for these fights and had them long ago. He could have his feet up by now.
When I fought, I wanted to be smashing people every week and pushing for these great fights. I wanted proper challengers so kept changing managers and promoters to get them.
In an 18-month period I fought some of the greatest wars against the likes of DeWitt, Barkley, Watson, Eubank - all the tough guys. That's why the public on both sides of the Atlantic sat up and took notice that there was more than one Big Ben!
Barkley had sparked Tommy Hearns quicker than Marvin Hagler and ran Michael Nunn to the wire who was the best pound-for-pound fighter at the time.
They couldn't make it at Old Trafford and I wasn't going to hang around, I wanted a tear-up and I wanted respect and I wanted to show the Yanks that us Brits aren't no push-overs.
I went right into Barkley's back garden, got off first and tried smashing him out of the ring.
I didn't take an easy defence, I took on Chris Eubank! I wanted to give the public a proper fight.
Gerald McClellan was the most feared man in boxing when I fought him. He couldn't get anyone else in the ring. I could have fought a runner like Nunn but wanted a proper fight and wasn't going to duck him.
An incarcerated Mike Tyson described Gerald as the best fighter in the world, Don King said he was going to punch me into a hospital bed. I didn't care, he was going to have to kill me to beat me. I wanted to do Britain proud.
Joe should be a little more urgent, because if the chances pass it'll be a crying shame really for a guy who'd have probably given me and Chris and Steve Collins a good going over.
'Benn is in Hertfordshire right now training guys for an army boxing event for charity with Dave 'Boy' Green'
--
Interesting. But the Americans respect Kessler after seeing his last couple of fights, don't they?
I think everyone respects Kessler more than Joe because he fights good fighters in their backyard. Mundine, and now Joe at Cardiff. I have no doubt Mikkel could do what Joe and Sven Ottke did and defend his title 20 odd times against b class fighters at home but he is willing to travel to fight the best. I would hope if Joe win in a close fight on points in Cardiff he would give Mikkel a rematch in Copenhagen. Methinks he wouldnt in a million years. Yet i think Mikkel would give Joe a rematch.
That is why Kessler has more respect than Calzaghe.
the only reason the fights happening in cardiff now is because team kessler didn't have the money to stage it in denmark, so why would a remtach go there for? speak sense mate.
Don`t talk on anything,you don`t know S*** about,only reason the fights happening in cardiff is on Kessler`s demand,Kessler only got about $1.mill if the fight was held in Copenhagen,so he told Palle,he will fight Calzaghe in Cardiff,because he will get pay more money
Were you dropped on your head as a baby or something? thats exactly what i said. Palle didn't have enough money to stage it there, he thought he did, but could only offer 1mill, and since his own fighter would not accept that they had to move it to cardiff. shit we really need to spell stuff out to you don't we?
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Haha the Calzaghe fanboys are out in force!!!! The point is in 50 years time when people look back they
ll see that Kessler travelled to take on top opposition and Joe did not. Hence Keesler will get more respect if they have similiar records. Also not one of the Calzaghe fans disagreed with me when i said Kessler could easily have Calzaghes record if he fought shit opposition in his home country like joe has done.....
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Re: Benn: Calzaghe far too good for Brit/Euro
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Originally Posted by eagle
Haha the Calzaghe fanboys are out in force!!!! The point is in 50 years time when people look back they
ll see that Kessler travelled to take on top opposition and Joe did not. Hence Keesler will get more respect if they have similiar records. Also not one of the Calzaghe fans disagreed with me when i said Kessler could easily have Calzaghes record if he fought shit opposition in his home country like joe has done.....
In 50 years time nobody will be talking about either fighter.
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Re: Benn: Calzaghe far too good for Brit/Euro
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Originally Posted by eagle
Haha the Calzaghe fanboys are out in force!!!! The point is in 50 years time when people look back they
ll see that Kessler travelled to take on top opposition and Joe did not. Hence Keesler will get more respect if they have similiar records. Also not one of the Calzaghe fans disagreed with me when i said Kessler could easily have Calzaghes record if he fought S*** opposition in his home country like joe has done.....
In 50 years time nobody will be talking about either fighter.
Well lets change it to 20 years then, u still havent answered the question. Any fighter of decent skill with a title could fight 20 boxers that dont have near the talent of him at their home venue and have 20 wins. Shit even Sven Ottke could and all i hear is how bad he was yet Joe is some kinda star for doing the same thing. 20 odd defenses against bums is not worth 5 against top guys. Even a close loss to a guy like Hopkins or Jones would have done more for Joes legacy than his wins aginst Manfredo and othe assorted bums.
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Re: Benn: Calzaghe far too good for Brit/Euro
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Originally Posted by Kel
In 50 years time nobody will be talking about either fighter.
You really think so?
Not me. Joe has been regarded as his people's greatest fighter, like wise with Kess.
They'll be remembered...especially if they put on a blaster or one or the other just hammers the other man out.
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Re: Benn: Calzaghe far too good for Brit/Euro
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Originally Posted by eagle
Haha the Calzaghe fanboys are out in force!!!! The point is in 50 years time when people look back they
ll see that Kessler travelled to take on top opposition and Joe did not. Hence Keesler will get more respect if they have similiar records. Also not one of the Calzaghe fans disagreed with me when i said Kessler could easily have Calzaghes record if he fought S*** opposition in his home country like joe has done.....
In 50 years time nobody will be talking about either fighter.
Well lets change it to 20 years then, u still havent answered the question. Any fighter of decent skill with a title could fight 20 boxers that dont have near the talent of him at their home venue and have 20 wins.
Shit even Sven Ottke could and all i hear is how bad he was yet Joe is some kinda star for doing the same thing. 20 odd defenses against bums is not worth 5 against top guys. Even a close loss to a guy like Hopkins or Jones would have done more for Joes legacy than his wins aginst Manfredo and othe assorted bums.
This is the problem with guys like you. If you weren't around to watch the Ottke era I'm betting the first Calzaghe fight you saw was Lacy, right? So now you look at Joes record and see names like Eubank, Reid, Brewer, Mitchell, Woodhall etc, and because these names don't mean anything to you, you mistakenly believe them to be bums. When in fact it's clear to see Calzaghe has beaten plenty of world class fighters, and must be an exceptional talent to have remained unbeaten over such a length of time.
Fighting Hopkins and Jones would have been great. But you can't fight them if they're not willing to face you.
And in 50 years time no-one will give a flying fuck about where the fight took place just who WON!!!
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Haha the Calzaghe fanboys are out in force!!!! The point is in 50 years time when people look back they
ll see that Kessler travelled to take on top opposition and Joe did not. Hence Keesler will get more respect if they have similiar records. Also not one of the Calzaghe fans disagreed with me when i said Kessler could easily have Calzaghes record if he fought S*** opposition in his home country like joe has done.....
In 50 years time nobody will be talking about either fighter.
Well lets change it to 20 years then, u still havent answered the question. Any fighter of decent skill with a title could fight 20 boxers that dont have near the talent of him at their home venue and have 20 wins.
S*** even Sven Ottke could and all i hear is how bad he was yet Joe is some kinda star for doing the same thing. 20 odd defenses against bums is not worth 5 against top guys. Even a close loss to a guy like Hopkins or Jones would have done more for Joes legacy than his wins aginst Manfredo and othe assorted bums.
This is the problem with guys like you. If you weren't around to watch the Ottke era I'm betting the first Calzaghe fight you saw was Lacy, right? So now you look at Joes record and see names like Eubank, Reid, Brewer, Mitchell, Woodhall etc, and because these names don't mean anything to you, you mistakenly believe them to be bums. When in fact it's clear to see Calzaghe has beaten plenty of world class fighters, and must be an exceptional talent to have remained unbeaten over such a length of time.
Fighting Hopkins and Jones would have been great. But you can't fight them if they're not willing to face you.
And in 50 years time no-one will give a flying F*** about where the fight took place just who WON!!!
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Thats so right....Most people think Joes career starts with lacy and so easly dismiss his record as bums....when in reality at the time these guys were considered A big threat to Joe's Title but after he dismantles them and makes them look S***...o now they are bums.
I mean sure say what you want about ashira manfredo and such but havnt you all heard of Joe loius's BUM OF THE MONTH even his 25 recrd defences at Heavyweight had plenty of low class opposition....
In 50 years time Joe calzaghe will be talked about as one of the Greatest boxers britian ever produced..and in the eyes of Brits probably one of the best talents in the world.
And he will forever be a genuine legend in Wales. regardless of wether Kessler beats him or not.
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Haha the Calzaghe fanboys are out in force!!!! The point is in 50 years time when people look back they
ll see that Kessler travelled to take on top opposition and Joe did not. Hence Keesler will get more respect if they have similiar records. Also not one of the Calzaghe fans disagreed with me when i said Kessler could easily have Calzaghes record if he fought S*** opposition in his home country like joe has done.....
Grade A cock!
Go have a better look at Joes record he has beaton 6 World Champions.
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Originally Posted by eagle
Haha the Calzaghe fanboys are out in force!!!! The point is in 50 years time when people look back they
ll see that Kessler travelled to take on top opposition and Joe did not. Hence Keesler will get more respect if they have similiar records. Also not one of the Calzaghe fans disagreed with me when i said Kessler could easily have Calzaghes record if he fought S*** opposition in his home country like joe has done.....
In 50 years time nobody will be talking about either fighter.
Well lets change it to 20 years then, u still havent answered the question. Any fighter of decent skill with a title could fight 20 boxers that dont have near the talent of him at their home venue and have 20 wins.
S*** even Sven Ottke could and all i hear is how bad he was yet Joe is some kinda star for doing the same thing. 20 odd defenses against bums is not worth 5 against top guys. Even a close loss to a guy like Hopkins or Jones would have done more for Joes legacy than his wins aginst Manfredo and othe assorted bums.
This is the problem with guys like you. If you weren't around to watch the Ottke era I'm betting the first Calzaghe fight you saw was Lacy, right? So now you look at Joes record and see names like Eubank, Reid, Brewer, Mitchell, Woodhall etc, and because these names don't mean anything to you, you mistakenly believe them to be bums. When in fact it's clear to see Calzaghe has beaten plenty of world class fighters, and must be an exceptional talent to have remained unbeaten over such a length of time.
Fighting Hopkins and Jones would have been great. But you can't fight them if they're not willing to face you.
And in 50 years time no-one will give a flying F*** about where the fight took place just who WON!!!
Reid, Brewer, Mitchell, Woodhall
Reid got outboxed by 42 year old Malinga and wern't consider that much of a threat at that time.
Woodhall had been floored 3 times by Beyer and his only notable win before the Calzaghe fight in 2 years was against a 43 year old Malinga Woodhall was a former champ and was considered washed up.
Byron Mitchell's only claim to fame at that time was losing controversial decision to Ottke but who didn't ?? he had few decent wins like Frankie Liles, but was also floored by a 15-3 fighter Manny Siaca and only just about winning a sd.
Charlers Brewer ?? this ain't same Brewer that before Calzaghe fight was stopped by Antwun Echols in 3 rounds and was floored 3 times by a feather fisted old Herol Graham face it Fenster most of Calzaghe's best win are against former world champions who wern't considered much of a threat or washed up i mean Woodhall and Brewer were considered threats ??
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ICB, I mean this in the nicest possible way. Fuck off.
Hope this helps.
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ICB, I mean this in the nicest possible way. F*** off.
Hope this helps.
What because these names you mentioned that were considered *threats* i just proved you wrong so you act childish ?? wow very mature of you Fenster.
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ICB, I mean this in the nicest possible way. F*** off.
Hope this helps.
What because these names you mentioned that were considered *threats* i just proved you wrong so you act childish ?? wow very mature of you Fenster.
Mate what do you have against British fighters? Anyone would think you were French!
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ICB, I mean this in the nicest possible way. F*** off.
Hope this helps.
What because these names you mentioned that were considered *threats* i just proved you wrong so you act childish ?? wow very mature of you Fenster.
Mate what do you have against British fighters? Anyone would think you were French!
Nothing at all im just giving out the facts thats all if Calzaghe was American, French, Spanish, or ect it wouldn't matter because all of his best wins were against former world champions who wern't considered much of a threat or washed up thats a fact.
By the way thanks for the sc Fenster ;)
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Originally Posted by Fenster
ICB, I mean this in the nicest possible way. F*** off.
Hope this helps.
What because these names you mentioned that were considered *threats* i just proved you wrong so you act childish ?? wow very mature of you Fenster.
Just a joke son, don't take everything to heart. ;)
You didn't prove me wrong. All you're doing is expressing an opinion. The guys listed were world class fighters. Fact. The very fact Calzaghe is able to outclass these types of guys is what sets him apart as an ELITE world class fighter.
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Fenster
ICB, I mean this in the nicest possible way. F*** off.
Hope this helps.
What because these names you mentioned that were considered *threats* i just proved you wrong so you act childish ?? wow very mature of you Fenster.
Just a joke son, don't take everything to heart. ;)
You didn't prove me wrong. All you're doing is expressing an opinion. The guys listed were world class fighters. Fact. The very fact Calzaghe is able to outclass these types of guys is what sets him apart as an ELITE world class fighter.
Well i wouldn't call them world class i would call them step below world class people like Woodhall, and Brewer would come under that category but really and truthfully were Woodhall, Brewer, considered threats at all ?? most of the former world champions Calzaghe beat were past it or just not considered threats i mean did anyone think he would lose to Mitchell, Woodhall, or Brewer did anyone really considered these guys of a much threat ?? because fighters like Brewer, Wooldhall, Mitchell claim to fame was in losing efforts.
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By the way thanks for the sc Fenster ;)
Ive never ever ever sad clicked you. I couldn't give a shit about CC/SC. Have a cool click to make you feel better.
You just don't get my sense of humour. ;)
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By the way thanks for the sc Fenster ;)
Ive never ever ever sad clicked you. I couldn't give a S*** about CC/SC. Have a cool click to make you feel better.
You just don't get my sense of humour. ;)
Just been having few shitty days lately Fenster not really in joking mood mate :(
But have :coolclick: back.
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Fenster
ICB, I mean this in the nicest possible way. F*** off.
Hope this helps.
What because these names you mentioned that were considered *threats* i just proved you wrong so you act childish ?? wow very mature of you Fenster.
Just a joke son, don't take everything to heart. ;)
You didn't prove me wrong. All you're doing is expressing an opinion. The guys listed were world class fighters. Fact. The very fact Calzaghe is able to outclass these types of guys is what sets him apart as an ELITE world class fighter.
Well i wouldn't call them world class i would call them step below world class people like Woodhall, and Brewer would come under that category but really and truthfully were Woodhall, Brewer, considered threats at all ?? most of the former world champions Calzaghe beat were past it or just not considered threats i mean did anyone think he would lose to Mitchell, Woodhall, or Brewer did anyone really considered these guys of a much threat ?? because fighters like Brewer, Wooldhall, Mitchell claim to fame was in losing efforts.
Of course those guys were threats, they were all proven quality performers, just cause Calzaghe started favourite, and won, doesn't mean they were shit fighters. It's what sets Calzaghe apart as the ELITE supermiddle of his time. I think you're confusing world class fighters with the very ELITE world class (Hopkins, Jones etc). He tried for fights with Hopkins/Jones but they didn't come off.
It's unfair to bust apart fighters records and it can be done to just about anyone.
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Originally Posted by eagle
Haha the Calzaghe fanboys are out in force!!!! The point is in 50 years time when people look back they
ll see that Kessler travelled to take on top opposition and Joe did not. Hence Keesler will get more respect if they have similiar records. Also not one of the Calzaghe fans disagreed with me when i said Kessler could easily have Calzaghes record if he fought S*** opposition in his home country like joe has done.....
Grade A cock!
Go have a better look at Joes record he has beaton 6 World Champions.
Anyone who'd call another guy a Cock on a chat line has issues. U completely prove my point. Anytime poor Joe gets some criticism u go off your lid. GROW UP. Why is it everytime i somehow criticize Joe my sad clicks go up but any other fight fans can take the criticism. Dont be stupid. If Roy Jones had fought the low level opponents Joe has u'd bag him Kessler could fight the same fighters Joe has and have 20 defenses. Robin Reid is not great, Brewer had 8 losses when he fought Joe and had been easily beat by echols not long before. Keith Holmes beat Woodhall easier than Joe, and Byron Mitchell kd Joe and he'd already lost to Ottke and Bruno Girard who were hardly great fighters. Lacy is the biggest win of Joes career. Hardly an outstanding legacy. I have no doubt about Joes ability but my point is he has not fought a great level of opponent for a champ who has had 20 defenses and that cannot be denied.
I think that is some good logic for a Grade A cock....
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I think its been said previusly in this thread its easy to pick a fighters record apart you could do it to anyone if you looked into them enough you could find enough bad points about any fighter to make it seem like he was nothing after the fight.....
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by skel1983
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Originally Posted by eagle
Haha the Calzaghe fanboys are out in force!!!! The point is in 50 years time when people look back they
ll see that Kessler travelled to take on top opposition and Joe did not. Hence Keesler will get more respect if they have similiar records. Also not one of the Calzaghe fans disagreed with me when i said Kessler could easily have Calzaghes record if he fought S*** opposition in his home country like joe has done.....
Grade A cock!
Go have a better look at Joes record he has beaton 6 World Champions.
Anyone who'd call another guy a Cock on a chat line has issues. U completely prove my point. Anytime poor Joe gets some criticism u go off your lid. GROW UP. Why is it everytime i somehow criticize Joe my sad clicks go up but any other fight fans can take the criticism. Dont be stupid. If Roy Jones had fought the low level opponents Joe has u'd bag him Kessler could fight the same fighters Joe has and have 20 defenses. Robin Reid is not great, Brewer had 8 losses when he fought Joe and had been easily beat by echols not long before. Keith Holmes beat Woodhall easier than Joe, and Byron Mitchell kd Joe and he'd already lost to Ottke and Bruno Girard who were hardly great fighters. Lacy is the biggest win of Joes career. Hardly an outstanding legacy. I have no doubt about Joes ability but my point is he has not fought a great level of opponent for a champ who has had 20 defenses and that cannot be denied.
I think that is some good logic for a Grade A cock....
Ok some good points, but the thing is you could do the same with almost every figther, them guys you mention were top 5 guys in the division at the time Joe beat them. He is now taking on the number 1 fighter in the division twice within 18 months.
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Jangeorg you need to calm urself down.
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by skel1983
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Originally Posted by eagle
Haha the Calzaghe fanboys are out in force!!!! The point is in 50 years time when people look back they
ll see that Kessler travelled to take on top opposition and Joe did not. Hence Keesler will get more respect if they have similiar records. Also not one of the Calzaghe fans disagreed with me when i said Kessler could easily have Calzaghes record if he fought S*** opposition in his home country like joe has done.....
Grade A cock!
Go have a better look at Joes record he has beaton 6 World Champions.
Anyone who'd call another guy a Cock on a chat line has issues. U completely prove my point. Anytime poor Joe gets some criticism u go off your lid. GROW UP. Why is it everytime i somehow criticize Joe my sad clicks go up but any other fight fans can take the criticism. Dont be stupid. If Roy Jones had fought the low level opponents Joe has u'd bag him Kessler could fight the same fighters Joe has and have 20 defenses. Robin Reid is not great, Brewer had 8 losses when he fought Joe and had been easily beat by echols not long before. Keith Holmes beat Woodhall easier than Joe, and Byron Mitchell kd Joe and he'd already lost to Ottke and Bruno Girard who were hardly great fighters. Lacy is the biggest win of Joes career. Hardly an outstanding legacy. I have no doubt about Joes ability but my point is he has not fought a great level of opponent for a champ who has had 20 defenses and that cannot be denied.
I think that is some good logic for a Grade A cock....
Not really. Knocking the worth of world class fighters to damage the worth of another world class fighter is quite silly.
Why are you pointing out Mitchell floored Calzaghe? Believe it or not great fighters go over. What's important is Calzaghe got up and smashed the piss out of him. Lou Del Valle couldn't beat Bruno Girard either yet he dumped Roy Jones on his arse. Do you hold that knockdown against Roy???
Keith Holmes beat Woodhall easier than Joe ::**
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by skel1983
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Originally Posted by eagle
Haha the Calzaghe fanboys are out in force!!!! The point is in 50 years time when people look back they
ll see that Kessler travelled to take on top opposition and Joe did not. Hence Keesler will get more respect if they have similiar records. Also not one of the Calzaghe fans disagreed with me when i said Kessler could easily have Calzaghes record if he fought S*** opposition in his home country like joe has done.....
Grade A cock!
Go have a better look at Joes record he has beaton 6 World Champions.
Anyone who'd call another guy a Cock on a chat line has issues. U completely prove my point. Anytime poor Joe gets some criticism u go off your lid. GROW UP. Why is it everytime i somehow criticize Joe my sad clicks go up but any other fight fans can take the criticism. Dont be stupid.
If Roy Jones had fought the low level opponents Joe has u'd bag him Kessler could fight the same fighters Joe has and have 20 defenses. Robin Reid is not great, Brewer had 8 losses when he fought Joe and had been easily beat by echols not long before. Keith Holmes beat Woodhall easier than Joe, and Byron Mitchell kd Joe and he'd already lost to Ottke and Bruno Girard who were hardly great fighters. Lacy is the biggest win of Joes career. Hardly an outstanding legacy. I have no doubt about Joes ability but my point is he has not fought a great level of opponent for a champ who has had 20 defenses and that cannot be denied.
I think that is some good logic for a Grade A cock....
I think you wanna have another look at Jones record, because I can't remember all the World class prime fighters he beat? James Toney maybe :-\
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by skel1983
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Originally Posted by eagle
Haha the Calzaghe fanboys are out in force!!!! The point is in 50 years time when people look back they
ll see that Kessler travelled to take on top opposition and Joe did not. Hence Keesler will get more respect if they have similiar records. Also not one of the Calzaghe fans disagreed with me when i said Kessler could easily have Calzaghes record if he fought S*** opposition in his home country like joe has done.....
Grade A cock!
Go have a better look at Joes record he has beaton 6 World Champions.
Anyone who'd call another guy a Cock on a chat line has issues. U completely prove my point. Anytime poor Joe gets some criticism u go off your lid. GROW UP. Why is it everytime i somehow criticize Joe my sad clicks go up but any other fight fans can take the criticism. Dont be stupid.
If Roy Jones had fought the low level opponents Joe has u'd bag him Kessler could fight the same fighters Joe has and have 20 defenses. Robin Reid is not great, Brewer had 8 losses when he fought Joe and had been easily beat by echols not long before. Keith Holmes beat Woodhall easier than Joe, and Byron Mitchell kd Joe and he'd already lost to Ottke and Bruno Girard who were hardly great fighters. Lacy is the biggest win of Joes career. Hardly an outstanding legacy. I have no doubt about Joes ability but my point is he has not fought a great level of opponent for a champ who has had 20 defenses and that cannot be denied.
I think that is some good logic for a Grade A cock....
I think you wanna have another look at Jones record, because I can't remember all the World class prime fighters he beat? James Toney maybe :-\
Virgil Hill
Montel Griffin
Bernard Hopkins yes ok he wasn't the Hopkins of old but he was still the champion and had more fights than Jones
Vinny Pazienza
Thomas Tate Went 12 rounds with Julian Jackson enough said
Clinton Woods
John Ruiz
Anthony Hanshaw ;)
James Toney
Toney, Hill, Hopkins are all hall of famers Joe's record isn't even close to Jones BIG H.
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by skel1983
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Originally Posted by eagle
Haha the Calzaghe fanboys are out in force!!!! The point is in 50 years time when people look back they
ll see that Kessler travelled to take on top opposition and Joe did not. Hence Keesler will get more respect if they have similiar records. Also not one of the Calzaghe fans disagreed with me when i said Kessler could easily have Calzaghes record if he fought S*** opposition in his home country like joe has done.....
Grade A cock!
Go have a better look at Joes record he has beaton 6 World Champions.
Anyone who'd call another guy a Cock on a chat line has issues. U completely prove my point. Anytime poor Joe gets some criticism u go off your lid. GROW UP. Why is it everytime i somehow criticize Joe my sad clicks go up but any other fight fans can take the criticism. Dont be stupid.
If Roy Jones had fought the low level opponents Joe has u'd bag him Kessler could fight the same fighters Joe has and have 20 defenses. Robin Reid is not great, Brewer had 8 losses when he fought Joe and had been easily beat by echols not long before. Keith Holmes beat Woodhall easier than Joe, and Byron Mitchell kd Joe and he'd already lost to Ottke and Bruno Girard who were hardly great fighters. Lacy is the biggest win of Joes career. Hardly an outstanding legacy. I have no doubt about Joes ability but my point is he has not fought a great level of opponent for a champ who has had 20 defenses and that cannot be denied.
I think that is some good logic for a Grade A cock....
I think you wanna have another look at Jones record, because I can't remember all the World class prime fighters he beat? James Toney maybe :-\
Virgil Hill
Montel Griffin
Bernard Hopkins yes ok he wasn't the Hopkins of old but he was still the champion and had more fights than Jones
Vinny Pazienza
Thomas Tate Went 12 rounds with Julian Jackson enough said
Clinton Woods
John Ruiz
Anthony Hanshaw ;)
I'll maybe give you Griffin and B-Hop - based on the criteria in my post
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I'm sure I said 'Prime' :-\
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I'm sure I said 'Prime' :-\
Hill may of not been in his *absolute* peak but he was still very formidable he wern't that much past his prime his only losses at that point was 12 round decision to Dariusz Michalczewski and 12 round decision to Thomas Hearns so he wern't that much past it.
Ruiz may not be great hw but it was still amazing feat what Jones done.
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There are a lot of fighters on Joe's record that are worthy opponents & people just trash them because they don't know who they are or what they were capable of prior to Joe handling them.
As far as Jones' record goes...I have HUGE issues with the majority of fighters that Jones beat. He looked great beating them...as would Joe have looked had they been on that side of the pond.
Many people discount fighters like Viet & Ashira & Bika...yet they are still contenders today & have beaten game opposition.
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There are a lot of fighters on Joe's record that are worthy opponents & people just trash them because they don't know who they are or what they were capable of prior to Joe handling them.
As far as Jones' record goes...I have HUGE issues with the majority of fighters that Jones beat. He looked great beating them...as would Joe have looked had they been on that side of the pond.
Many people discount fighters like Viet & Ashira & Bika...yet they are still contenders today & have beaten game opposition.
No sorry i can't agree with that Calzaghe wouldn't of stopped Hill Toney would of Beat Calzaghe even young Hopkins would of had good shot at Calzaghe and Griffin would of gave Calzaghe hell aswell i don't see Calzaghe beating alot of these names let alone beating em easy.
Toney
Hopkins
Hill
Griffin
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
There are a lot of fighters on Joe's record that are worthy opponents & people just trash them because they don't know who they are or what they were capable of prior to Joe handling them.
As far as Jones' record goes...I have HUGE issues with the majority of fighters that Jones beat. He looked great beating them...as would Joe have looked had they been on that side of the pond.
Many people discount fighters like Viet & Ashira & Bika...yet they are still contenders today & have beaten game opposition.
No sorry i can't agree with that Calzaghe wouldn't of stopped Hill Toney would of Beat Calzaghe even young Hopkins would of had good shot at Calzaghe and Griffin would of gave Calzaghe hell aswell i don't see Calzaghe beating alot of these names let alone beating em easy.
Toney
Hopkins
Hill
Griffin
Apology accepted...but you don't know the outcome of those possible matches anymore than I do.
Saying that Joe has never faced anyone like the names above can be flipped to fit them also.
Hopkins has never fought anyone as fast or angular as Joe outside of Jones & that was prior to Hopkins being the craftsman that he became.
Griffin is & was a joke & I personally believe that Joe would have smoked him.
Prime for prime...Hill & Toney...Toney would have been the tuffest test for Calzaghe. Him or Jones...but again...that's all speculation.
Speculate all you want...but the majority of Calzaghe's detractors either came up hearing & believing all the mash about Joe prior to seeing it & believing it.
It's conditioning to hate & rip Joe apart...many on this forum are guilty of doing so & are already predisposed to that opinion.
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Originally Posted by eagle
Haha the Calzaghe fanboys are out in force!!!! The point is in 50 years time when people look back they
ll see that Kessler travelled to take on top opposition and Joe did not. Hence Keesler will get more respect if they have similiar records. Also not one of the Calzaghe fans disagreed with me when i said Kessler could easily have Calzaghes record if he fought S*** opposition in his home country like joe has done.....
In 50 years time nobody will be talking about either fighter.
Well lets change it to 20 years then, u still havent answered the question. Any fighter of decent skill with a title could fight 20 boxers that dont have near the talent of him at their home venue and have 20 wins.
S*** even Sven Ottke could and all i hear is how bad he was yet Joe is some kinda star for doing the same thing. 20 odd defenses against bums is not worth 5 against top guys. Even a close loss to a guy like Hopkins or Jones would have done more for Joes legacy than his wins aginst Manfredo and othe assorted bums.
This is the problem with guys like you. If you weren't around to watch the Ottke era I'm betting the first Calzaghe fight you saw was Lacy, right? So now you look at Joes record and see names like Eubank, Reid, Brewer, Mitchell, Woodhall etc, and because these names don't mean anything to you, you mistakenly believe them to be bums. When in fact it's clear to see Calzaghe has beaten plenty of world class fighters, and must be an exceptional talent to have remained unbeaten over such a length of time.
Fighting Hopkins and Jones would have been great. But you can't fight them if they're not willing to face you.
And in 50 years time no-one will give a flying F*** about where the fight took place just who WON!!!
Reid, Brewer, Mitchell, Woodhall
Reid got outboxed by 42 year old Malinga and wern't consider that much of a threat at that time.
Woodhall had been floored 3 times by Beyer and his only notable win before the Calzaghe fight in 2 years was against a 43 year old Malinga Woodhall was a former champ and was considered washed up.
Byron Mitchell's only claim to fame at that time was losing controversial decision to Ottke but who didn't ?? he had few decent wins like Frankie Liles, but was also floored by a 15-3 fighter Manny Siaca and only just about winning a sd.
Charlers Brewer ?? this ain't same Brewer that before Calzaghe fight was stopped by Antwun Echols in 3 rounds and was floored 3 times by a feather fisted old Herol Graham face it Fenster most of Calzaghe's best win are against former world champions who wern't considered much of a threat or washed up i mean Woodhall and Brewer were considered threats ??
Post debate interview
Commentator: Ice scores the first round knock out. Ice's dominating run (debating) continues. Now let's go to or guess speaker, Hall of Fame poster, Violent Demise. Your opinion champ?
Violent Demise: Ice did what he had to do. He went straight to the facts and ended it early. Fenster who was never more than a journeyman poster is now a shot journeyman poster. Ice was impressive.
Commentator: Yes, Ice did look good. What about Fenster? You think his glory days are over?
Violent Demise: What glory days?
Commentator: There you have it folks. Ice makes it a early night. Till next time
